Why do those who Steal Valor claim to be Special Forces so often? https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often <div class="images-v2-count-many"><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-1" id="image-88786"> <div class="social_icons social-buttons-on-image"> <a href='https://www.facebook.com/sharer/sharer.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallypoint.com%2Fanswers%2Fwhy-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often%3Futm_source%3DFacebook%26utm_medium%3Dorganic%26utm_campaign%3DShare%20to%20facebook' target="_blank" class='social-share-button facebook-share-button'><i class="fa fa-facebook-f"></i></a> <a href="https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?text=Why+do+those+who+Steal+Valor+claim+to+be+Special+Forces+so+often%3F&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallypoint.com%2Fanswers%2Fwhy-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often&amp;via=RallyPoint" target="_blank" class="social-share-button twitter-custom-share-button"><i class="fa fa-twitter"></i></a> <a href="mailto:?subject=Check this out on RallyPoint!&body=Hi, I thought you would find this interesting:%0D%0AWhy do those who Steal Valor claim to be Special Forces so often?%0D%0A %0D%0AHere is the link: https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often" target="_blank" class="social-share-button email-share-button"><i class="fa fa-envelope"></i></a> </div> <a class="fancybox" rel="608c23aa9b23c49cf617c0ccec9d9c6d" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/088/786/for_gallery_v2/bc7ef64f.jpg"><img src="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/088/786/large_v3/bc7ef64f.jpg" alt="Bc7ef64f" /></a></div><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-2" id="image-88787"><a class="fancybox" rel="608c23aa9b23c49cf617c0ccec9d9c6d" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/088/787/for_gallery_v2/18fd8fb1.jpg"><img src="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/088/787/thumb_v2/18fd8fb1.jpg" alt="18fd8fb1" /></a></div><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-3" id="image-88788"><a class="fancybox" rel="608c23aa9b23c49cf617c0ccec9d9c6d" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/088/788/for_gallery_v2/a7152289.JPG"><img src="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/088/788/thumb_v2/a7152289.JPG" alt="A7152289" /></a></div><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-4" id="image-88789"><a class="fancybox" rel="608c23aa9b23c49cf617c0ccec9d9c6d" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/088/789/for_gallery_v2/17b40a8f.JPG"><img src="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/088/789/thumb_v2/17b40a8f.JPG" alt="17b40a8f" /></a></div><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-5" id="image-88790"><a class="fancybox" rel="608c23aa9b23c49cf617c0ccec9d9c6d" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/088/790/for_gallery_v2/47df468f.JPG"></a></div><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-6" id="image-88791"><a class="fancybox" rel="608c23aa9b23c49cf617c0ccec9d9c6d" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/088/791/for_gallery_v2/994dd13e.JPG"></a></div><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-7" id="image-88793"><a class="fancybox" rel="608c23aa9b23c49cf617c0ccec9d9c6d" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/088/793/for_gallery_v2/05e31d02.JPG"></a></div><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-8" id="image-88794"><a class="fancybox" rel="608c23aa9b23c49cf617c0ccec9d9c6d" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/088/794/for_gallery_v2/adfefd32.JPG"></a></div></div>I have found yet another fake here. Danny Erickson. I think I am getting good at this. But when you see a person claiming to be an SF officer you would expect them to provide a better story than this. This fake has been in since Somalia and is still a CPT. But don’t worry. He has also been in Hollywood working with the Mighty Morphing Power Rangers. But he still had time to hit just about every conflict in the past few decades. He should have at least one star on his CIB if not 2 stars. I love how he went to Alpha base at Benning. I guess I wasn't cool enough to be there. And to do all of this as a CPT, pretty impressive. <br /><br /><br />This comes from his own Bio. This bio was supposedly developed from an interview in 1995. Please excuse the grammer. This reporter couldn’t seem to find a single period in this essay on how awesome Danny was.<br />1. His Mother had once shot for them ,the quickly Sponsored Denny and Archery Became just as if not more Important than Martial Arts and Gymnastics which was Great because at 9 years old He had Reached 150lbs and 5'4" Which for a 9 year old was pretty large<br />2. By Sophmore year Denny Was Already being bussed to William Rainey Harper College to start Gen Ed and Law Enforcement Classes , at 17 he Opted to Enlist On the Concurrent Enrollment Option Basic and AIT while finishing his Degree in Business Admin With Minor in Law Enforcement Studies ,He Graduated AIT 2nd Lt. And Was Sent to Alpha Camp outside Ft.Benning Ga, and then Fort Cambell Ky, 101st ABN Air Assault ,75th Ranger Training Corps.<br />3. The Then Very Green 2nd Lt. Was Deployed to Kuwait and then to Panama then Back to Saudi ,Kuwait and Afghanistan . Upon Visiting Home He was Offered Work as a Martial Arts Stunts Trainer for MMPR by an acquaintance starring in the show , for the next few years arranging his leave around the filming schedules .<br />4. After reporting back to the Army during a routine Halo with Canine Insertion Jump , Denny Sustained a Career ending Injury , Broken Neck C5-7 and T6-10 .<br />5. Den Erickson was a Martial Arts And Tactical Instructor For DOD/DOJ in the Midwest ,Recently Specializing In Canine Deployment . Teaches Krav Maga , Holds an 8th Dan Shotokan Karate ( Rank Of Kyoshi) Practices Kyujutsu /Kyudo (Japanese Archery) Fought MMA in His Youth To Keep His Edge ,was often Disqualified for Being too Aggressive, the Fights Had with Oleg Taktarov and Dan Severn Among his Best were Draws with MMA in its infancy was not legal in most states at the time .<br /><br />If you go to his IMDb page you can read the whole thing but if he takes it down you can still read it in the photos. <br /><br /><a target="_blank" href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm7583758/bio?ref_=nm_dyk_trv_sm#trivia">http://www.imdb.com/name/nm7583758/bio?ref_=nm_dyk_trv_sm#trivia</a><br /><br /><a target="_blank" href="http://www.rallypoint.com/profiles/567130-18a-special-forces-officer">http://www.rallypoint.com/profiles/567130-18a-special-forces-officer</a> <div class="pta-link-card answers-template-image type-default"> <div class="pta-link-card-picture"> <img src="https://d26horl2n8pviu.cloudfront.net/link_data_pictures/images/000/062/248/qrc/MV5BMTkyNTY1MDI1Nl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwNzgwODMwNzE_._V1_UY1200_CR173_0_630_1200_AL_.jpg?1462856459"> </div> <div class="pta-link-card-content"> <p class="pta-link-card-title"> <a target="blank" href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm7583758/bio?ref_=nm_dyk_trv_sm#trivia">Den Erickson</a> </p> <p class="pta-link-card-description">Born Dennis Allen Erickson Jr. To Dennis &quot;Big Denny&quot; Erickson and Susan Erickson ,Dennis a Building Contractor and Susan (Savage) a Nurse , Den was ...</p> </div> <div class="clearfix"></div> </div> Tue, 10 May 2016 01:00:37 -0400 Why do those who Steal Valor claim to be Special Forces so often? https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often <div class="images-v2-count-many"><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-1" id="image-88786"> <div class="social_icons social-buttons-on-image"> <a href='https://www.facebook.com/sharer/sharer.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallypoint.com%2Fanswers%2Fwhy-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often%3Futm_source%3DFacebook%26utm_medium%3Dorganic%26utm_campaign%3DShare%20to%20facebook' target="_blank" class='social-share-button facebook-share-button'><i class="fa fa-facebook-f"></i></a> <a href="https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?text=Why+do+those+who+Steal+Valor+claim+to+be+Special+Forces+so+often%3F&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallypoint.com%2Fanswers%2Fwhy-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often&amp;via=RallyPoint" target="_blank" class="social-share-button twitter-custom-share-button"><i class="fa fa-twitter"></i></a> <a href="mailto:?subject=Check this out on RallyPoint!&body=Hi, I thought you would find this interesting:%0D%0AWhy do those who Steal Valor claim to be Special Forces so often?%0D%0A %0D%0AHere is the link: https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often" target="_blank" class="social-share-button email-share-button"><i class="fa fa-envelope"></i></a> </div> <a class="fancybox" rel="346bbb448dd91b1f86738cea504ef198" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/088/786/for_gallery_v2/bc7ef64f.jpg"><img src="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/088/786/large_v3/bc7ef64f.jpg" alt="Bc7ef64f" /></a></div><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-2" id="image-88787"><a class="fancybox" rel="346bbb448dd91b1f86738cea504ef198" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/088/787/for_gallery_v2/18fd8fb1.jpg"><img src="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/088/787/thumb_v2/18fd8fb1.jpg" alt="18fd8fb1" /></a></div><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-3" id="image-88788"><a class="fancybox" rel="346bbb448dd91b1f86738cea504ef198" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/088/788/for_gallery_v2/a7152289.JPG"><img src="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/088/788/thumb_v2/a7152289.JPG" alt="A7152289" /></a></div><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-4" id="image-88789"><a class="fancybox" rel="346bbb448dd91b1f86738cea504ef198" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/088/789/for_gallery_v2/17b40a8f.JPG"><img src="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/088/789/thumb_v2/17b40a8f.JPG" alt="17b40a8f" /></a></div><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-5" id="image-88790"><a class="fancybox" rel="346bbb448dd91b1f86738cea504ef198" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/088/790/for_gallery_v2/47df468f.JPG"></a></div><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-6" id="image-88791"><a class="fancybox" rel="346bbb448dd91b1f86738cea504ef198" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/088/791/for_gallery_v2/994dd13e.JPG"></a></div><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-7" id="image-88793"><a class="fancybox" rel="346bbb448dd91b1f86738cea504ef198" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/088/793/for_gallery_v2/05e31d02.JPG"></a></div><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-8" id="image-88794"><a class="fancybox" rel="346bbb448dd91b1f86738cea504ef198" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/088/794/for_gallery_v2/adfefd32.JPG"></a></div></div>I have found yet another fake here. Danny Erickson. I think I am getting good at this. But when you see a person claiming to be an SF officer you would expect them to provide a better story than this. This fake has been in since Somalia and is still a CPT. But don’t worry. He has also been in Hollywood working with the Mighty Morphing Power Rangers. But he still had time to hit just about every conflict in the past few decades. He should have at least one star on his CIB if not 2 stars. I love how he went to Alpha base at Benning. I guess I wasn't cool enough to be there. And to do all of this as a CPT, pretty impressive. <br /><br /><br />This comes from his own Bio. This bio was supposedly developed from an interview in 1995. Please excuse the grammer. This reporter couldn’t seem to find a single period in this essay on how awesome Danny was.<br />1. His Mother had once shot for them ,the quickly Sponsored Denny and Archery Became just as if not more Important than Martial Arts and Gymnastics which was Great because at 9 years old He had Reached 150lbs and 5'4" Which for a 9 year old was pretty large<br />2. By Sophmore year Denny Was Already being bussed to William Rainey Harper College to start Gen Ed and Law Enforcement Classes , at 17 he Opted to Enlist On the Concurrent Enrollment Option Basic and AIT while finishing his Degree in Business Admin With Minor in Law Enforcement Studies ,He Graduated AIT 2nd Lt. And Was Sent to Alpha Camp outside Ft.Benning Ga, and then Fort Cambell Ky, 101st ABN Air Assault ,75th Ranger Training Corps.<br />3. The Then Very Green 2nd Lt. Was Deployed to Kuwait and then to Panama then Back to Saudi ,Kuwait and Afghanistan . Upon Visiting Home He was Offered Work as a Martial Arts Stunts Trainer for MMPR by an acquaintance starring in the show , for the next few years arranging his leave around the filming schedules .<br />4. After reporting back to the Army during a routine Halo with Canine Insertion Jump , Denny Sustained a Career ending Injury , Broken Neck C5-7 and T6-10 .<br />5. Den Erickson was a Martial Arts And Tactical Instructor For DOD/DOJ in the Midwest ,Recently Specializing In Canine Deployment . Teaches Krav Maga , Holds an 8th Dan Shotokan Karate ( Rank Of Kyoshi) Practices Kyujutsu /Kyudo (Japanese Archery) Fought MMA in His Youth To Keep His Edge ,was often Disqualified for Being too Aggressive, the Fights Had with Oleg Taktarov and Dan Severn Among his Best were Draws with MMA in its infancy was not legal in most states at the time .<br /><br />If you go to his IMDb page you can read the whole thing but if he takes it down you can still read it in the photos. <br /><br /><a target="_blank" href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm7583758/bio?ref_=nm_dyk_trv_sm#trivia">http://www.imdb.com/name/nm7583758/bio?ref_=nm_dyk_trv_sm#trivia</a><br /><br /><a target="_blank" href="http://www.rallypoint.com/profiles/567130-18a-special-forces-officer">http://www.rallypoint.com/profiles/567130-18a-special-forces-officer</a> <div class="pta-link-card answers-template-image type-default"> <div class="pta-link-card-picture"> <img src="https://d26horl2n8pviu.cloudfront.net/link_data_pictures/images/000/062/248/qrc/MV5BMTkyNTY1MDI1Nl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwNzgwODMwNzE_._V1_UY1200_CR173_0_630_1200_AL_.jpg?1462856459"> </div> <div class="pta-link-card-content"> <p class="pta-link-card-title"> <a target="blank" href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm7583758/bio?ref_=nm_dyk_trv_sm#trivia">Den Erickson</a> </p> <p class="pta-link-card-description">Born Dennis Allen Erickson Jr. To Dennis &quot;Big Denny&quot; Erickson and Susan Erickson ,Dennis a Building Contractor and Susan (Savage) a Nurse , Den was ...</p> </div> <div class="clearfix"></div> </div> CPT Russell Pitre Tue, 10 May 2016 01:00:37 -0400 2016-05-10T01:00:37-04:00 Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2016 1:01 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1514821&urlhash=1514821 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>must be a druggie! LTC Private RallyPoint Member Tue, 10 May 2016 01:01:47 -0400 2016-05-10T01:01:47-04:00 Response by PO1 John Miller made May 10 at 2016 1:16 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1514842&urlhash=1514842 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><br />Just reading that "biography" made my brain hurt and crossed my eyes! PO1 John Miller Tue, 10 May 2016 01:16:00 -0400 2016-05-10T01:16:00-04:00 Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made May 10 at 2016 1:57 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1514890&urlhash=1514890 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yeah what the Hell? Yeah I know it sounds Cool and Impressive but being a Navy Spook is Cool and Impressive too. I&#39;m almost broken hearted that none have tried Sporting the Spark and Quill. I got some Awesome Sea Stories. To quote an Officer I&#39;ve listened too before &quot;You think 007 is Cool? I AM 007&quot; LCDR Montel Williams on the DC School Lecture Circuit (More correctly we are Q which means we get to play with the coolest toys). PO1 William "Chip" Nagel Tue, 10 May 2016 01:57:27 -0400 2016-05-10T01:57:27-04:00 Response by 1stSgt Eugene Harless made May 10 at 2016 2:27 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1514913&urlhash=1514913 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It looks like he got a part in Mighty Morphin Power Rangers in the 1990s. There are several species of fungi that could have gotten roles on that show, That is apparently the high light of his life. Well that and being a delusional fuck-wit. 1stSgt Eugene Harless Tue, 10 May 2016 02:27:46 -0400 2016-05-10T02:27:46-04:00 Response by PO1 Brian Austin made May 10 at 2016 2:44 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1514927&urlhash=1514927 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Just a little over the top...lol I have noticed that these Stolen Valor losers always make themselves sound like Rambo x 10. Just a bunch of wannabe's or never was's with some crappy self esteem thrown in. PO1 Brian Austin Tue, 10 May 2016 02:44:57 -0400 2016-05-10T02:44:57-04:00 Response by 1stSgt Eugene Harless made May 10 at 2016 2:46 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1514928&urlhash=1514928 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This Guy is certafible bat-shit loony, Check out One of his IMBD pages where it has a message board. He wrote a post pretending to be his own groupie. But he used his own user name. 1stSgt Eugene Harless Tue, 10 May 2016 02:46:30 -0400 2016-05-10T02:46:30-04:00 Response by Capt Seid Waddell made May 10 at 2016 3:11 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1514936&urlhash=1514936 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>As long as one is going to steal valor, they might as well steal from the top shelf. Why would they want to pose as a clerk-typist when they could just as easy pose as an elite warrior? Capt Seid Waddell Tue, 10 May 2016 03:11:11 -0400 2016-05-10T03:11:11-04:00 Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made May 10 at 2016 4:04 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1514947&urlhash=1514947 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I was only noncombat though i figured I'd just still mention to all of you nonetheless that I actually loved all the mighty morphin power rangers quips, those were actually pretty funny, lol. Capt Daniel Goodman Tue, 10 May 2016 04:04:08 -0400 2016-05-10T04:04:08-04:00 Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made May 10 at 2016 4:07 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1514948&urlhash=1514948 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>There's this one set of videos on YouTube I also like watching by the former Navy SEAL and his wife I can't recall their names at the moment who go around looking into such cases quite heavily, they're also pretty interesting, I'm sure all of you have most likely seen their stuff online at one time or another, I just can't remember their names right now, unfortunately. Capt Daniel Goodman Tue, 10 May 2016 04:07:40 -0400 2016-05-10T04:07:40-04:00 Response by SGT Marvin Luciano made May 10 at 2016 7:00 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1515027&urlhash=1515027 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Bench press 600 + and squat 1,000 + at age 17, we should be "honored" to have such a Marvel super hero on our side. Can you imagine fighting against him ?? Our 82nd, 101st, 75th, all SF and Seals teams COMBINED wouldn't stand a chance. <br />The boy is simply frustrated with his meaningless life, so brings his fantasies to life SGT Marvin Luciano Tue, 10 May 2016 07:00:24 -0400 2016-05-10T07:00:24-04:00 Response by CPT John Sheridan made May 10 at 2016 7:36 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1515074&urlhash=1515074 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>That&#39;s about as good as Billy Ray in Trading Places: &quot;Uh, I was with the Green Beret. Special Unit Battalions, Commando Airborne Tactics, Specialist Tactics, Unit Battalion. It was real hush hush. I was Agent Orange. That was my name. Agent Orange. Agent Orange, that was me.&quot; CPT John Sheridan Tue, 10 May 2016 07:36:14 -0400 2016-05-10T07:36:14-04:00 Response by Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen made May 10 at 2016 8:17 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1515136&urlhash=1515136 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Most likely because they have so little knowledge of the military they fall back to titles they see in movies and quick internet searches. Plus given secrecy involved with SOF in general it&#39;s harder for others to verify claims. As several have pointed out, if you are going to steal valor, why claim to have been in a position no one knows about. Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen Tue, 10 May 2016 08:17:18 -0400 2016-05-10T08:17:18-04:00 Response by SGT Dave Tracy made May 10 at 2016 8:20 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1515142&urlhash=1515142 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Small Penis Syndrome perhaps? SGT Dave Tracy Tue, 10 May 2016 08:20:46 -0400 2016-05-10T08:20:46-04:00 Response by CWO3 Andrew D. made May 10 at 2016 8:43 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1515192&urlhash=1515192 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>at least this persons RP points are going up... 10 points a click CWO3 Andrew D. Tue, 10 May 2016 08:43:36 -0400 2016-05-10T08:43:36-04:00 Response by PO3 Sandra Gomke made May 10 at 2016 9:39 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1515373&urlhash=1515373 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think I'll go home and watch my "Transformers" dvd and check out the credits. His RP profile says he was in it. His IMDB profile is gone as of this morning. <br />Some times all we can do is cringe. PO3 Sandra Gomke Tue, 10 May 2016 09:39:32 -0400 2016-05-10T09:39:32-04:00 Response by PO3 Sandra Gomke made May 10 at 2016 9:41 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1515381&urlhash=1515381 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>BTW, CPT Pitre, good catch on this one!! PO3 Sandra Gomke Tue, 10 May 2016 09:41:43 -0400 2016-05-10T09:41:43-04:00 Response by SSG Richard Reilly made May 10 at 2016 10:13 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1515487&urlhash=1515487 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Even his movies and tv shows are uncredited. But hey not everyone can be a Armarine Sea Lion Team A qualified and achieve the rank of 3rd Captain First Class. His time on Tatooween mattered to the people of the people's republic of Falconia. SSG Richard Reilly Tue, 10 May 2016 10:13:35 -0400 2016-05-10T10:13:35-04:00 Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2016 10:24 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1515532&urlhash=1515532 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Because they’re bad asses and if you’re gonna MSU … Go big I suppose. Personally I find these frauds too pathetic to concern myself. Unless they are trying to claim benefits they didn&#39;t earn (which would be fraud), I say fine ... go about your sad life. Most SF guys I&#39;ve met, I&#39;d have never known were SF had they not been in uniform or their very proud wives told me. One attorneys in my wife&#39;s office who I met a couple of times ... not a peep from him but I did notice the ring. He never brings it up so neither do I. MSG Private RallyPoint Member Tue, 10 May 2016 10:24:06 -0400 2016-05-10T10:24:06-04:00 Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2016 10:28 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1515557&urlhash=1515557 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think they likely start with small lies that seemed to be believed, and then those lies give way to bigger lies and when no one confronts them they are all of a sudden Special Operations Space Shuttle Door Gunners who dropped into Moscow and smoked a joint with Gorbachev..... MSgt Private RallyPoint Member Tue, 10 May 2016 10:28:58 -0400 2016-05-10T10:28:58-04:00 Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2016 11:14 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1515797&urlhash=1515797 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Soooooooooooooooooooooo........he broke damn near half the bones in his spine.............yet still practices Martial Arts and Japanese Archery? Possible, however not too entirely likely at the "extent" of physical form he was prior to said (BS) injury. Why do I say this? Well....I refer to this link:<br /><br /><a target="_blank" href="http://www.disabled-world.com/artman/publish/spine_picture.shtml">http://www.disabled-world.com/artman/publish/spine_picture.shtml</a> <div class="pta-link-card answers-template-image type-default"> <div class="pta-link-card-picture"> <img src="https://d26horl2n8pviu.cloudfront.net/link_data_pictures/images/000/062/320/qrc/spinemuscles.jpg?1462893216"> </div> <div class="pta-link-card-content"> <p class="pta-link-card-title"> <a target="blank" href="http://www.disabled-world.com/artman/publish/spine_picture.shtml">Human Spine &amp; Spinal Cord Picture C1 - S5 Vertebra</a> </p> <p class="pta-link-card-description">Information and pictures of the spine and spinal cord showing C1 to S5 vertebra and which vertebra effect various body functions</p> </div> <div class="clearfix"></div> </div> MSG Private RallyPoint Member Tue, 10 May 2016 11:14:41 -0400 2016-05-10T11:14:41-04:00 Response by SrA Edward Vong made May 10 at 2016 11:16 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1515803&urlhash=1515803 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If one were to claim to be someone they're not, may as well go all the way. SrA Edward Vong Tue, 10 May 2016 11:16:22 -0400 2016-05-10T11:16:22-04:00 Response by PFC Alexander Oliveira made May 10 at 2016 11:43 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1515965&urlhash=1515965 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>its like theyre not even trying anymore. I don't trust anybody on here unless theyre verified PFC Alexander Oliveira Tue, 10 May 2016 11:43:35 -0400 2016-05-10T11:43:35-04:00 Response by SPC Brian Lysek made May 10 at 2016 11:51 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1516000&urlhash=1516000 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I am not a smart man, my ex-wife will confirm that, but good God! If I were to fake something I would at least do a little homework before lying my butt off! SPC Brian Lysek Tue, 10 May 2016 11:51:04 -0400 2016-05-10T11:51:04-04:00 Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2016 12:20 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1516106&urlhash=1516106 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>"The first Ever in the State of Illinois To Squat over 1000# let alone in sets ,then Popping down into the splits to garner attention from the Ladies ." This right here was beautiful to read. I didn't realize women were impressed by a man squatting into the splits XD PFC Private RallyPoint Member Tue, 10 May 2016 12:20:06 -0400 2016-05-10T12:20:06-04:00 Response by SSG Kevin S. made May 10 at 2016 12:23 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1516117&urlhash=1516117 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>My hero :) SSG Kevin S. Tue, 10 May 2016 12:23:05 -0400 2016-05-10T12:23:05-04:00 Response by CW3 Richard Mann made May 10 at 2016 12:24 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1516122&urlhash=1516122 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If it on the internet or TV, it has to be true! CW3 Richard Mann Tue, 10 May 2016 12:24:40 -0400 2016-05-10T12:24:40-04:00 Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2016 12:38 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1516181&urlhash=1516181 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>comon, girls dig that stuff lol , because SpecOps is COOL man !!! lol , Sir . SFC Private RallyPoint Member Tue, 10 May 2016 12:38:08 -0400 2016-05-10T12:38:08-04:00 Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2016 12:45 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1516212&urlhash=1516212 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Because they have no idea how cool it is to be a turd chaser on an Aircraft Carrier. If they only knew, we would have more SV Hull Technicians and Electricians Mates. MSgt Private RallyPoint Member Tue, 10 May 2016 12:45:25 -0400 2016-05-10T12:45:25-04:00 Response by SMSgt Thor Merich made May 10 at 2016 1:04 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1516283&urlhash=1516283 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I guess pretending to be a cook or Services isn't as cool as a Green Beret. SMSgt Thor Merich Tue, 10 May 2016 13:04:33 -0400 2016-05-10T13:04:33-04:00 Response by SGT Paul Mackay made May 10 at 2016 1:46 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1516479&urlhash=1516479 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I would be careful about naming names about fakes on RP you might get your membership suspended for telling the truth about an officer even if you have proof. SGT Paul Mackay Tue, 10 May 2016 13:46:25 -0400 2016-05-10T13:46:25-04:00 Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2016 1:50 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1516509&urlhash=1516509 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Seems like a "true American Hero".....NOT.... I am not able to comprehend how the likes of these believe the words they utter. Kind of funny how they state "he graduated AIT 2nd Lt.". Someone please tell me this is a prank, and not an attempt to truly impersonate what he clearly is not. Capt Private RallyPoint Member Tue, 10 May 2016 13:50:51 -0400 2016-05-10T13:50:51-04:00 Response by SFC Joseph Weber made May 10 at 2016 1:58 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1516543&urlhash=1516543 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>There is stolen valor then there is just weird. SFC Joseph Weber Tue, 10 May 2016 13:58:50 -0400 2016-05-10T13:58:50-04:00 Response by Cpl Justin Goolsby made May 10 at 2016 4:28 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1517149&urlhash=1517149 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It's part of the allure of being a certified badass. If I said I'm a Navy Seal, people would be like "wow that's awesome. How many talibans did you kill". Now if I said I was a Maint Admin, people would say "what is that" or "are you really a Marine". Granted, I know my job is important. I understand the ins and outs of it and know my contribution to the mission at hand. Some people just don't appreciate the bigger picture. It's all about body counts and chugging beers. It's not even just civilians, there are plenty of service members who try and inflate their own sense of worth by making themselves out to be a bigger badass. Cpl Justin Goolsby Tue, 10 May 2016 16:28:01 -0400 2016-05-10T16:28:01-04:00 Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2016 7:17 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1517712&urlhash=1517712 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>please, please , please make me sof MSG Private RallyPoint Member Tue, 10 May 2016 19:17:44 -0400 2016-05-10T19:17:44-04:00 Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made May 10 at 2016 9:26 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1517986&urlhash=1517986 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I see he's on and following this thread - He just viewed my profile!! No replies CPT Denny Erickson ? I'd really like to hear your side of the story. I'd really like to know how you come out of AIT as a 2LT? There is no mention of OBC, ROTC, so how did you become an officer - just pin it on? SGM Mikel Dawson Tue, 10 May 2016 21:26:47 -0400 2016-05-10T21:26:47-04:00 Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2016 3:09 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1518517&urlhash=1518517 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think the allure for claiming to be any type of Special Forces, at least from the AFSOC units I've worked with, is that you don't have to give specifics to what you did, simply because of the nature of "Special" Forces, inherently. It alleviates most of the problems with coming up with convincing lies, since no one can corroborate what you say if they didn't have "clearance" to know about your op in the first place. It automatically places them at an advantage to shirk small details that can get fudged in "cover stories", especially when it's something that any current or former AD can detect as being wrong right off the bat, like uniform violations, SOPs, base names, etc. TSgt Private RallyPoint Member Wed, 11 May 2016 03:09:56 -0400 2016-05-11T03:09:56-04:00 Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2016 1:27 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1519852&urlhash=1519852 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Looking at the bio, I think he&#39;s legit. Because one thing they stressed over and over at the Alpha Base was that you never, ever use paragraphs. They are just a waste of space. Took me a long time to start using them again after my time at Alpha Base. LTC Private RallyPoint Member Wed, 11 May 2016 13:27:25 -0400 2016-05-11T13:27:25-04:00 Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made May 11 at 2016 11:36 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1521492&urlhash=1521492 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="755813" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/755813-cpt-russell-pitre">CPT Russell Pitre</a> If you read his bio carefully, it says , "75th Ranger Training Corps" which doesn't mean he completed Ranger course. To me this means he attended but never completed. Since he's out he must have a DD-214, so it's just a simple matter of requesting it, which I will do. Will post when it arrives. And since his full name is in his bio, I'll be sure to get the correct person. SGM Mikel Dawson Wed, 11 May 2016 23:36:42 -0400 2016-05-11T23:36:42-04:00 Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 12 at 2016 11:15 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1522418&urlhash=1522418 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>You don't have to steal valor. You can get a ranger tab online for 4 bucks online. Sgt Private RallyPoint Member Thu, 12 May 2016 11:15:19 -0400 2016-05-12T11:15:19-04:00 Response by Col Joseph Lenertz made May 12 at 2016 11:57 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1522535&urlhash=1522535 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Because Special Forces are cool. And there's a segment of guys who spend time gaming or walking around fake worlds with a beefy avatar pretending they are badass, so it's an extension of that...and a lack of courage to admit who you really are. Nobody steals valor saying they're a tanker pilot, which makes me kinda sad. Col Joseph Lenertz Thu, 12 May 2016 11:57:54 -0400 2016-05-12T11:57:54-04:00 Response by SGT Terence Waltman made May 18 at 2016 2:28 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1538835&urlhash=1538835 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This guy is awesome! SGT Terence Waltman Wed, 18 May 2016 02:28:18 -0400 2016-05-18T02:28:18-04:00 Response by MSG Jay Jackson made May 18 at 2016 8:23 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1539067&urlhash=1539067 <div class="images-v2-count-1"><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-1" id="image-89860"> <div class="social_icons social-buttons-on-image"> <a href='https://www.facebook.com/sharer/sharer.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallypoint.com%2Fanswers%2Fwhy-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often%3Futm_source%3DFacebook%26utm_medium%3Dorganic%26utm_campaign%3DShare%20to%20facebook' target="_blank" class='social-share-button facebook-share-button'><i class="fa fa-facebook-f"></i></a> <a href="https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?text=Why+do+those+who+Steal+Valor+claim+to+be+Special+Forces+so+often%3F&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallypoint.com%2Fanswers%2Fwhy-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often&amp;via=RallyPoint" target="_blank" class="social-share-button twitter-custom-share-button"><i class="fa fa-twitter"></i></a> <a href="mailto:?subject=Check this out on RallyPoint!&body=Hi, I thought you would find this interesting:%0D%0AWhy do those who Steal Valor claim to be Special Forces so often?%0D%0A %0D%0AHere is the link: https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often" target="_blank" class="social-share-button email-share-button"><i class="fa fa-envelope"></i></a> </div> <a class="fancybox" rel="f2cafe12e32a4be1049d6f8954c06893" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/089/860/for_gallery_v2/61fa3aae.jpg"><img src="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/089/860/large_v3/61fa3aae.jpg" alt="61fa3aae" /></a></div></div>Man, there goes my Space Shuttle Door Gunner story. I had the patch and everything!!!! MSG Jay Jackson Wed, 18 May 2016 08:23:22 -0400 2016-05-18T08:23:22-04:00 Response by 1SG Charles Hunter made May 19 at 2016 10:12 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1542253&urlhash=1542253 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If they can't think up a good story for "how did you get that medal?", they can always claim "That's still classified." 1SG Charles Hunter Thu, 19 May 2016 10:12:20 -0400 2016-05-19T10:12:20-04:00 Response by SGT Richard H. made May 19 at 2016 2:49 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1543300&urlhash=1543300 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>"75th Ranger Training Corps" LOL. You'd think they could at least google some proper names, etc. It's all out there. SGT Richard H. Thu, 19 May 2016 14:49:08 -0400 2016-05-19T14:49:08-04:00 Response by SFC Wayne Theilen made May 19 at 2016 4:06 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1543542&urlhash=1543542 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Holy shit Batman. SFC Wayne Theilen Thu, 19 May 2016 16:06:57 -0400 2016-05-19T16:06:57-04:00 Response by SGT Paul Mackay made May 21 at 2016 2:47 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1548474&urlhash=1548474 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>they probably serviced in S-1 like my former co he claimed he was god. SGT Paul Mackay Sat, 21 May 2016 14:47:28 -0400 2016-05-21T14:47:28-04:00 Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 22 at 2016 11:55 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1550022&urlhash=1550022 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Fakes claim to be SF because we have a well earned reputation. They also get to smirk and be quiet when they do not have a believable story, since we are the "Quiet Professionals". <br />As preeminent trainers and communicators, we have a responsibility to teach the conventional military what our role, capabilities and contributions to the fight are. MAJ Private RallyPoint Member Sun, 22 May 2016 11:55:56 -0400 2016-05-22T11:55:56-04:00 Response by MSG Dan Castaneda made May 24 at 2016 3:55 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1557097&urlhash=1557097 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>When I meet someone new and they ask me what I do in the Army, I usually tell them I play the tuba in the Army band. End of discussion. I'm not any more cooler than our supply guys. We just wanted to do different things for your country. MSG Dan Castaneda Tue, 24 May 2016 15:55:03 -0400 2016-05-24T15:55:03-04:00 Response by SGT Mark Sprague made May 30 at 2016 10:34 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1577294&urlhash=1577294 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I'm continuously amazed by the number of people who claim to be former SF. They always get caught for a number of reasons. First, it's impossible to talk the talk, when you have not walk the walk. They tend to talk in vague references about conflicts, but can't seem to remember the number of the team they were on, or the names of team members, or exact dates of operations. Secondly, these assholes tell tall tales that make Bob Howard look like a slacker - i.e., I got 8 purple hearts, 6 bronze stars, 3 silver star and was nominated for the MOH twice - but, my records are classified, so no one knows about me. Other times they talk about being deployed as a one-man operation for long periods of time - I had this one related to me just last week yet again. It's impossible to spend time in SF, and not have people remember you. You make lots of friends in the Q-Course, and the men on sister-teams know who you are - so, the idea that SOF is secretive does not hold up as a reason that nobody knows who you are. These guys will also claim POW status - stating that my whole team died but me, and I escaped 30 days later etc. They also can't seem to get their uniforms right. The first guy I remember looking into got busted because a local newspaper publish a war-hero article with a photo about him. The guy had a beret on with the 5th Group flash where the flash was positioned over his left ear, not his left eye. He had a Pee Wee Herman look about him - the photo busted him. In a day where a FOIA can be pulled on any individual it astounds me that these people still think they can get away with this kind of behavior, but they come out of the woodwork with alarming regularity. Why do they do it? Low self esteem is one factor I expect, and I think that many think that claiming a military background helps flush out a lackluster resume. The SF community is currently outing a gent who was able to pull off his story for more than a decade - claimed SF LTC - FOIA shows he was a PFC clerk when he ETS'd. SGT Mark Sprague Mon, 30 May 2016 22:34:30 -0400 2016-05-30T22:34:30-04:00 Response by Wes Gannon made Jun 8 at 2016 6:21 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1610406&urlhash=1610406 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>they think nobody will actually check their story. Wes Gannon Wed, 08 Jun 2016 18:21:58 -0400 2016-06-08T18:21:58-04:00 Response by CPT Robert Boshears made Jun 10 at 2016 3:36 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1616984&urlhash=1616984 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It is not hard to spot this, as most SF friends I have (I was just an 11b), but my first platoon sergeant was SF, and became a SGM, SF. Most don't tend to brag, they are that self assured. I ran into one in Thailand, great man...was an SF medic. He later became a PA, and we both ended up at Fort Ord, 14 years later. I went in to see "the doc" for what we called "Jungle Rot" (I was a battalion S-1). The doc looked at me and it was my friend from Thailand. You would never know this PA had such a background... He was self assured. Was damn good to sit and talk to him almost daily. I have a nephew, who is a Navy diver, with those gold jump wings. He has been attached to SEAL teams for over 10 years (SEAL delivery teams) who are carried in specially re-designed nuclear subs, that can launch their delivery vehicle. Now, he is not a SEAL, but has been through a lot of the same training (has. Enlisted helicopter pilot wings...and yes, the Navy did have this year's ago, in addition to many other specialties, like cross rated as a corpsman). He is a little guy, a Navy Chief, now teaches at the BUDs training school at Coronado. (His list of medals are quite impressive). Like I said he is a little guy, with a constant smile and is the first man to help you move or take you to the biggest dive in Honolulu, only because the food there is fantastic. To sum this up, they are on a nuc sub for up to months, waiting to be inserted somewhere. At about 5ft 7 or 8, he comes off the sub with about 17 or 18 inch arms and in the 1 to 2% body fat range... Work out and eat well is pretty much what they do on the big boat, in addition to constant scenario briefs. Like I said, he has a constant smile, would run out in traffic to get a dog or cat who could get hit. He was in a 7-11 a few years ago, getting a slurpee, when two (now called thugs), pants pulled down, wearing hoodies. The first one...well over 6 ft, intentionally bumped the Chief, and as the second thug was approaching (putting my nephew between them). Well, the little Chief had both of them on the floor and bleeding (missing teeth, broken noses and possibly other injuries), in what was only a couple of seconds. Still smiling, he got his slurpee, the store owner said no charge, and he walked out as if nothing had happened. Watch out for those who are self assured, don't wear every award made, and are truly very self assured. He has taken me to one of his bases (a base within a base) and I had the honor of meeting most from that team...where rank had very little meaning, as I saw an E-8 and the team CO both in an in-ground pool...a really big pool, quite well covered, practicing on one of their delivery vehicles...the Senior even threw me a line to help pull some life vests through the mini-sub, not knowing or caring I was no longer in the military. They had a wall with pictures of those Kia, it had some names that made big page news. My nephew has been to a lot of funerals, and to be shown this wall of honor was really a treat. Sorry for being long winded...tha is what being an S-1 and going to law school does to ya... And, no. I didn't take the bar, I told the dean I wasn't a big enough ass hole to be an attorney (nor did I flunk out), I was an 11b... CPT Robert Boshears Fri, 10 Jun 2016 15:36:28 -0400 2016-06-10T15:36:28-04:00 Response by Maj John Bell made Jun 10 at 2016 5:26 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1617347&urlhash=1617347 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If you're going to screw up, screw up big. Maj John Bell Fri, 10 Jun 2016 17:26:12 -0400 2016-06-10T17:26:12-04:00 Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 10 at 2016 10:11 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1618211&urlhash=1618211 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Easily recognizable for civilians. Know elite unit. More recognition and attention. CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member Fri, 10 Jun 2016 22:11:09 -0400 2016-06-10T22:11:09-04:00 Response by SSG Richard Reilly made Jun 13 at 2016 10:08 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=1623976&urlhash=1623976 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>He has been voted off the Rally Point Island. SSG Richard Reilly Mon, 13 Jun 2016 10:08:35 -0400 2016-06-13T10:08:35-04:00 Response by MAJ Todd Lamb made Apr 25 at 2017 12:21 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=2519613&urlhash=2519613 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>wow. I was sent to OCS out of Company A 3/20th. MAJ Todd Lamb Tue, 25 Apr 2017 00:21:51 -0400 2017-04-25T00:21:51-04:00 Response by COL Charles Williams made Apr 25 at 2017 10:13 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=2522481&urlhash=2522481 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="755813" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/755813-cpt-russell-pitre">CPT Russell Pitre</a>... The same reason everyone at the VFW is a former Ranger, SEAL, Green Beret etc... No one at the VFW was a MP, Engineer, Medic, Truck Driver... etc... which is so weird as most of our military is other than Infantry... etc... COL Charles Williams Tue, 25 Apr 2017 22:13:35 -0400 2017-04-25T22:13:35-04:00 Response by LtCol Robert Quinter made Apr 27 at 2017 3:14 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=2527924&urlhash=2527924 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I always listen closely whenever people claim to be &quot;Green Beret&quot;, Seals or Marine Snipers. There must be millions of them out there. LtCol Robert Quinter Thu, 27 Apr 2017 15:14:53 -0400 2017-04-27T15:14:53-04:00 Response by SGT Joe Colby made Dec 10 at 2017 5:10 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=3161240&urlhash=3161240 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I met a guy at Carolina Rebellion last year who said he was the top rated sniper in Iraq and the Army would not rotate back to the world until he threatened to quit. Why blow smoke up my a$$ when we just met? I was a helicopter mechanic in the 80&#39;s and proud of it. It takes all of us to keep the Army running. SGT Joe Colby Sun, 10 Dec 2017 17:10:13 -0500 2017-12-10T17:10:13-05:00 Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2017 5:36 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=3161307&urlhash=3161307 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Just be you. Not everybody can be elite SFC Private RallyPoint Member Sun, 10 Dec 2017 17:36:20 -0500 2017-12-10T17:36:20-05:00 Response by SPC(P) Mark Newman made Dec 10 at 2017 5:42 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=3161318&urlhash=3161318 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Whats an MMPR? Anyway, I think there&#39;s a second reason why Posers go SO: They can&#39;t show you their DD-214 because its classified. Or they have papers but as a truck driver MOS but that&#39;s just a cover. <br />PS To our SpecOps Bros: just to verify, any operator you know have NO DD-214 ... Or a blank one because its secret? Or it doesnt list the SF MOS on it? SPC(P) Mark Newman Sun, 10 Dec 2017 17:42:11 -0500 2017-12-10T17:42:11-05:00 Response by PO3 David Davis made Dec 10 at 2017 6:12 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=3161366&urlhash=3161366 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>They are mentally ill. PO3 David Davis Sun, 10 Dec 2017 18:12:54 -0500 2017-12-10T18:12:54-05:00 Response by SGT Leon Riege made Dec 10 at 2017 6:25 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=3161385&urlhash=3161385 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>With all these spec op guys who is making chow ,manning sick call and organizing the trains? I&#39;ve met them at work in stores and sadly even at church oddly enough they have never seen a yeti who by the way has been very close to some people on more than one occasion SGT Leon Riege Sun, 10 Dec 2017 18:25:03 -0500 2017-12-10T18:25:03-05:00 Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 11 at 2017 1:33 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=3162143&urlhash=3162143 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Im pretty sure he’s liget because isn’t he the one who took the bullet for Hillary when her plane came under sniper fire? SGM Private RallyPoint Member Mon, 11 Dec 2017 01:33:09 -0500 2017-12-11T01:33:09-05:00 Response by SGT Thomas Bentley made Dec 11 at 2017 11:56 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=3163140&urlhash=3163140 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I was actually stationed with a guy that told me he was a MOUNTAIN expert that trained with the 10th Mountain Division. And special ops qualified. And was in the 52nd Ranger Battalion at Ft. Polk. He was an aircraft engine mechanic that had also(didn&#39;t know at the time) had removed the flag on his promotion during transition. Can you say &quot;idiot&quot;??<br />What this idiot failed to realize is I just came from Ft Drum and knew better but I let him continue AND I spent 4yrs at Ft Lewis where the 52nd is. After he finished his antic dote in front of most who knew better. I had to burst his bubble. What a glorious and wonderful time I had debunking his sorry ass in front everyone he was trying to impress. Before someone else took that from me. HA HA HA!!! SGT Thomas Bentley Mon, 11 Dec 2017 11:56:52 -0500 2017-12-11T11:56:52-05:00 Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 11 at 2017 2:57 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=3163704&urlhash=3163704 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>well i searched the interwebs and it would seem you are correct nothing but half wit websites that think he is real acknowledge what he is saying and then a bloated twitter account he tried saying in some interview about he is new archery show (only god knows how this guy got a show) that all his &quot;gear&quot; are one-off productions and cannot be bought off the shelf....and his imdb page has been edited a little but i couldnt find a credits page for him stating what he has actually been given credit for like stunts and that power rangers thing? yah im no army cat but yah this dude seems fake i dont believe he holds master level titles in three different martial arts thats for sure and there is no way he could have done those acting gigs and served active duty anything he wouldnt have earned enough leave to &quot;schedule his leave around them&quot; he get 2 days a month just like the rest of us PO1 Private RallyPoint Member Mon, 11 Dec 2017 14:57:01 -0500 2017-12-11T14:57:01-05:00 Response by SPC David Willis made Dec 11 at 2017 3:20 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=3163741&urlhash=3163741 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Its because people who steal valor do it to impress civilians, and typically they&#39;re only impressed with the stories of epic firefights. No ones ever made a movie about a guy who works on trucks for 4 years and gets out honorable after doing his job. SPC David Willis Mon, 11 Dec 2017 15:20:00 -0500 2017-12-11T15:20:00-05:00 Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made Dec 11 at 2017 5:41 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=3164036&urlhash=3164036 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Makes them seem to more of a bada&amp;&amp;. SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:41:43 -0500 2017-12-11T17:41:43-05:00 Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Dec 15 at 2017 10:38 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=3174000&urlhash=3174000 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>What would RAMBO DO SSG Edward Tilton Fri, 15 Dec 2017 10:38:58 -0500 2017-12-15T10:38:58-05:00 Response by SSG Carlos Madden made Sep 28 at 2018 2:27 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=4003042&urlhash=4003042 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I just found this disscussion again and it&#39;s just as good this time around. This was a Top 5 RP moment for me. We haven&#39;t had a good poser here in a while.... *sigh* SSG Carlos Madden Fri, 28 Sep 2018 14:27:41 -0400 2018-09-28T14:27:41-04:00 Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 28 at 2018 4:04 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=4003247&urlhash=4003247 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Chicks dig scars, but not from a kitchen burn. Come out big or stay at home. CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member Fri, 28 Sep 2018 16:04:49 -0400 2018-09-28T16:04:49-04:00 Response by Sgt Wayne Wood made Sep 28 at 2018 5:11 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=4003388&urlhash=4003388 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If you’re gonna fake someone, it probably won’t be a cook Sgt Wayne Wood Fri, 28 Sep 2018 17:11:05 -0400 2018-09-28T17:11:05-04:00 Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 28 at 2018 7:00 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=4003616&urlhash=4003616 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I just recently had a gal out in Texas claiming to be an officer of the American Legion out in San Antonio. For so reason she really wants my disabled adult roommate while I’m a care taker for to go out there. <br />So she was trying to win me over with her pristine service history. <br />So when I got her on the phone and she just kept talking and taking and talking!!!! I eventually got a word in and asked her what her MOS was? She stuttered all over the place then told me she wasn’t ARMY, but that she was NAVY!<br />So I said ok what was your service job (extremely sarcastically) and she replied with “Oh I was a PO2!” <br />I just shook my head and continued to ask her what pay grade she was at separation! Her reply to that was she wasn’t in very long but that she could be trusted because her commander was helping her to get my roommate over there!! <br />Hahahahaha yea ok crazy! I ended up having to call law enforcement out here and the two deputies that came out were prior service and so I let them know that I think this gal was trying to lure my roommate out there because she disabled! <br />Just thought it was funny because she was such an amazing officer that didn’t do much time and her rank was her job! Hahahaha<br /><br />Should have seen when I asked to see her DD214 hahahaha SFC Private RallyPoint Member Fri, 28 Sep 2018 19:00:41 -0400 2018-09-28T19:00:41-04:00 Response by LT Brad McInnis made Sep 28 at 2018 8:05 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=4003778&urlhash=4003778 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Because it isn&#39;t sexy to lie about being a Supply Officer (sorry SUPPO&#39;s). LT Brad McInnis Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:05:27 -0400 2018-09-28T20:05:27-04:00 Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2019 11:24 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=4603329&urlhash=4603329 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>As a reservist when I was in the sand box I supported SOCCENT. I got an ARCOM for playing XBOX for 9 months with green berets. <br /><br />Was E5 back then, and came home with $50K in my pocket. Ha.... suckers....., CPT Private RallyPoint Member Sat, 04 May 2019 11:24:17 -0400 2019-05-04T11:24:17-04:00 Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2019 7:59 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=4604462&urlhash=4604462 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If you’re going to steal valor just say you were a cook, no one is going to question that....... nothing against cooks, I’ve met and known many. CPT Private RallyPoint Member Sat, 04 May 2019 19:59:43 -0400 2019-05-04T19:59:43-04:00 Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2019 8:02 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=4604467&urlhash=4604467 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>“Where did you serve?”<br /><br />“Oh you know, Alsace, 89th Recon Special Forces SEAL Brigade”<br /><br />“Bro, you look good for being 146 years old... WWI was over 100 years ago.....” CPT Private RallyPoint Member Sat, 04 May 2019 20:02:22 -0400 2019-05-04T20:02:22-04:00 Response by SFC Pat Mattson made May 5 at 2019 10:25 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=4605642&urlhash=4605642 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I recently was talk to a friend who said she met an SF operator and did all these crazy things that set off the bullshit meter (cant help it former MP in me). Well a little digging and guess what he had just enough truth in the story that most people wouldn’t have dug deeper. He testified before a state senate on Vet affairs and had a company that pandered to wannabes and law enforcement. Turns out he was at Bragg and was in the group, His rank checked out, and was deployed to most of the places he said he was. Here is the lies, Tier 1 operator, online presence was scrubbed, had to change his name to protect his loved ones, deployed to some crazy locations, and was wounded a few times in combat. <br />Most if not all of us would have been very proud of the fact of his rank and was in the unit and his history in line units. However, he was just commo and was support, had never been to Q School, and only deployed as a regular joe. He changed his name to run from a very bad business deal and soon to be ex-wife. I guess embellishment (lying) is in his DNA and can’t stop. SFC Pat Mattson Sun, 05 May 2019 10:25:05 -0400 2019-05-05T10:25:05-04:00 Response by A1C Aaron Huebner made May 8 at 2019 1:49 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=4614984&urlhash=4614984 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I’d totally show you my DD-240, but the dog ate it when I got injured on that training jump. A1C Aaron Huebner Wed, 08 May 2019 13:49:42 -0400 2019-05-08T13:49:42-04:00 Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 26 at 2019 5:54 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=4670728&urlhash=4670728 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I do the opposite. I tell people I was a clerk. SGT Private RallyPoint Member Sun, 26 May 2019 17:54:41 -0400 2019-05-26T17:54:41-04:00 Response by SPC Phillip Vossler made May 16 at 2020 11:23 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=5897240&urlhash=5897240 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Is there a chance, he&#39;s telling us about his Call of Duty career? SPC Phillip Vossler Sat, 16 May 2020 11:23:34 -0400 2020-05-16T11:23:34-04:00 Response by MSgt Matt Hancock made May 16 at 2020 11:23 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=5897241&urlhash=5897241 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>When I was working in psych nursing we had a patient who claimed to be an agent for the FBI. He stated his cover name was &quot;Agent Mouse&quot;. During one treatment session one of the staff actually called the local FBI post and asked about Agent Mouse (using speaker phone as the patient was with us so all could hear). The individual stated she had been asked about Agent Mouse before and that he had never worked for/in the FBI. As we sat around and looked at the patient he simply stated: I feel sorry for her having to answer that question as she can&#39;t divulge classified information! Chalk one up for the patient! MSgt Matt Hancock Sat, 16 May 2020 11:23:37 -0400 2020-05-16T11:23:37-04:00 Response by Cpl Rc Layne made May 16 at 2020 1:02 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=5897613&urlhash=5897613 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Am I the only shitbird to ever wear a uniform? Cpl Rc Layne Sat, 16 May 2020 13:02:09 -0400 2020-05-16T13:02:09-04:00 Response by Cpl Mark Sullivan made May 16 at 2020 1:08 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=5897645&urlhash=5897645 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>He&#39;s 9ne bad dude Cpl Mark Sullivan Sat, 16 May 2020 13:08:26 -0400 2020-05-16T13:08:26-04:00 Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made May 16 at 2020 2:31 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=5897789&urlhash=5897789 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>He’s clearly a faker, because the first rule of Alpha Base, Special Green Berets Ranger Delta Forces is that you don’t talk about Alpha Base, Special Green Berets Ranger Delta Forces... but you didn’t hear that from me. Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member Sat, 16 May 2020 14:31:26 -0400 2020-05-16T14:31:26-04:00 Response by CPL Vinnie Vinanti made May 16 at 2020 4:55 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=5898176&urlhash=5898176 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If ya want to sound convincing tell people you were like a 91A automated logistics specialist, you were stationed at Ft. Carson and spent three years on connex detail in the motor pool. Hell, I&#39;d buy ya a beer. Even if it was true, because you know their life sucked worse than yours. CPL Vinnie Vinanti Sat, 16 May 2020 16:55:42 -0400 2020-05-16T16:55:42-04:00 Response by SPC Donn Sinclair made May 19 at 2020 6:08 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=5911485&urlhash=5911485 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>They&#39;re everywhere. Had a couple guys try joining our VVA chapter some years back. When they were asked for their DD-214&#39;s, (Required for membership), their response was, &quot;We never got one, we were too far under cover. Everything we did is still classified.&quot; Yeah, sure. See the door? Take it now before you get an uncomfortable escort out. SPC Donn Sinclair Tue, 19 May 2020 18:08:28 -0400 2020-05-19T18:08:28-04:00 Response by SSG Michael Fraer made May 19 at 2020 10:14 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=5912316&urlhash=5912316 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Holy $@!%! Reading that (or at least trying to) is enough to make your eyes bleed! Whoever the moron is that wrote that piece of crap needs to go back and take 9th grade English over again! SSG Michael Fraer Tue, 19 May 2020 22:14:27 -0400 2020-05-19T22:14:27-04:00 Response by SSG Ralph Watkins made May 17 at 2021 7:39 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=6980738&urlhash=6980738 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I went to AIT at Ft. Devens, MA way back in the day. We had guys come over from the 10th SFGA to pick up the girls in our school. Back in 1979, it was very easy to spot the real green berets from the support people. The support people had a a bar with the group&#39;s color while the Q&#39;ed guys had a full flash on their beret. We called support people &quot;candy stripers&quot;. Their support people were the worst for saying they were the real deal when they came over to bug us in AIT. The real SF guys ended up marrying quite a few of our AIT women b/c they were just themselves, not talking crap on how special of a force they were. SSG Ralph Watkins Mon, 17 May 2021 07:39:51 -0400 2021-05-17T07:39:51-04:00 Response by SPC July Macias made May 13 at 2022 12:15 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/why-do-those-who-steal-valor-claim-to-be-special-forces-so-often?n=7674996&urlhash=7674996 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>You know, a valor thief would get away if he were to simply say, &quot;I was a Ranger (or SF) but I never killed anyone or fast-roped out of a helicopter during a raid. Mostly we just drove around and nothing happened. I liked it, but my Secret clearance got revoked when my credit score sunk; so I got out.&quot; SPC July Macias Fri, 13 May 2022 12:15:52 -0400 2022-05-13T12:15:52-04:00 2016-05-10T01:00:37-04:00