Cpl Dr Ronnie Manns 1305833 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div> Why are years of experience working on your factory floor acceptable but the years of experience as a veteran appears not? 2016-02-16T09:26:47-05:00 Cpl Dr Ronnie Manns 1305833 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div> Why are years of experience working on your factory floor acceptable but the years of experience as a veteran appears not? 2016-02-16T09:26:47-05:00 2016-02-16T09:26:47-05:00 SSG Audwin Scott 1305853 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I am trying to define what you are really asking. If what you are trying to say, on your civilian job experience overriding your military experience is more accepted then the military? If that's the case unfortunately many of our MOS related jobs in military don't match our civilian jobs therefore the experience on the floor is more likely accepted. Response by SSG Audwin Scott made Feb 16 at 2016 9:31 AM 2016-02-16T09:31:43-05:00 2016-02-16T09:31:43-05:00 MCPO Roger Collins 1305999 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I worked for three major telecommunications firms after I retired from the military. All three used my military experience when it came to related experience. (e.g., Instructor, course developer, technical schools and leadership). Sometimes the best of all worlds is to get away from military facilities rich in civil service, they do discriminate against former military. Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Feb 16 at 2016 10:14 AM 2016-02-16T10:14:21-05:00 2016-02-16T10:14:21-05:00 LCDR Private RallyPoint Member 1306277 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I've asked the same question...and it took years to realize the answer. Granted, my military experience eventually became an asset to how quickly I could learn, and how disciplined I could be on the job...the time management skills are simply priceless. That said, I didn't learn how to do my current job in the Navy. When I showed up, there were people who had put the same amount of time into that profession...as I had put into learning to be a Sailor. They justly expected to be recognized for it, and I justly had to "pay my dues"...how quickly/successfully I managed that experience was another thing altogether.<br /><br />Imagine it in reverse-Would the Corps take on an industrial logger, commercial fisherman, or line supervisor at a major production facility by bypassing Basic and moving him/her straight up to E7? I would think not. Would a SWAT cop be able to enter the Army without going through the same?<br /><br />Everything depends on the specific experience though : I'd expect a police department to value a combat veteran more than a true "rookie". Same might apply to a fire department or some similar profession. At the end of the day, our "advantages" are not so much immediate, as apparent...the longer we apply ourselves to anything. Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2016 11:40 AM 2016-02-16T11:40:19-05:00 2016-02-16T11:40:19-05:00 MAJ Ken Landgren 1307600 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Can you explain this please? Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Feb 16 at 2016 6:05 PM 2016-02-16T18:05:53-05:00 2016-02-16T18:05:53-05:00 CAPT Kevin B. 1307704 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Doesn't just happen to military. My son was hired back at a call center firm to train up to do work for one of the cell carriers. He had the top scores and was zooming through the stuff and was a "go to" in his class. Then everyone who had prior experience in their class were laid off because the firm believed there was too much to unlearn and they wanted virgin acolytes. Go figure. But it does point to the issue. Firms get pumped by the outside for the character, focus, and resilience of a Vet but then know they'll have to do some baggage unloading. If they are not good at it, they don't want Vets. For general production labor they prefer plodders who can turn the crank at a specified RPM and, wait for it, are unlikely to pursue workplace quality or safety issues. In other words, a compliant personality. The good news is Vets wouldn't like those firms and should be where they are appreciated.<br /><br />Also consider many Vets don't like unions that take their money and then get no value out of it. Unions too prefer compliant personalities. Response by CAPT Kevin B. made Feb 16 at 2016 6:38 PM 2016-02-16T18:38:32-05:00 2016-02-16T18:38:32-05:00 CAPT Tom Bersson 1307872 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Depends on the context and the opportunity. Sometimes they are more valued. Response by CAPT Tom Bersson made Feb 16 at 2016 7:37 PM 2016-02-16T19:37:41-05:00 2016-02-16T19:37:41-05:00 GySgt Carl Rumbolo 1307888 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I am struggling to understand the actual question - context is everything here - do your skills / job in the military translate well to the job you are applying or? Does little good to be a veteran applying for a job as a master machinist if you don't have the training and acquired skills.<br /><br />Contrary to rumor - there are a great number of companies that actively recruit and value veterans and military retirees. I don't know your personal situation, but making a broad statement based on your personal experience isn't helpful without specific facts.<br /><br />What are your skills, what particular issues do you face? Is your experience actual discrimination against your veteran status? <br /><br />I wanted to be a millionaire playboy when I retired - sadly I lacked the qualifications so I had to do something else... Response by GySgt Carl Rumbolo made Feb 16 at 2016 7:45 PM 2016-02-16T19:45:04-05:00 2016-02-16T19:45:04-05:00 Capt Tom Brown 1308156 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It is very tough to translate military experience into civilian experience credit. Civilian employers care about experience in their own industry, field, or profession first and secondly that you are a good problem solver, work under stress, managed 12 employees in a difficult environment . If you don't know anything about the construction trades or business from a project management experience, they are not apt to hire you on except in a very low entry level position. Technical experience in the service is probably very transferrable in a lot of cases. REtraining yourself or obtaining a certification of some sort are also options to open a few doors. Your maturity and other leadership traits will come in handy once you get your foot in the door. Best wishes in yr next career.. Response by Capt Tom Brown made Feb 16 at 2016 9:44 PM 2016-02-16T21:44:20-05:00 2016-02-16T21:44:20-05:00 1SG Nick Baker 1308191 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>After I retired, I started out as temporary labor in a machine shop. I swept floors, did some odd jobs and learn to run machines. I was hired in at 90 days. 18-months later I was a supervisor. The company knows how the guy on the factory floor will act. The veteran is an unknown. Veterans can easily compete to get promotion. Many hate military and people with degrees. Response by 1SG Nick Baker made Feb 16 at 2016 10:01 PM 2016-02-16T22:01:09-05:00 2016-02-16T22:01:09-05:00 CPO Amb. Terry Earthwind Nichols 1606024 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Unfortunately people see Veterans as servants of the people instead of who they really are. Especially those who are not Vets. The company's leadership can change that though process, but usually don't because those thoughts are not profitable in the moment. Get it? Response by CPO Amb. Terry Earthwind Nichols made Jun 7 at 2016 4:28 PM 2016-06-07T16:28:13-04:00 2016-06-07T16:28:13-04:00 2016-02-16T09:26:47-05:00