SSG Private RallyPoint Member 63772 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Hypothetical question, Every state in the US goes to war with each other (not trying to bash people's home states by any means). Which state would do the best, which states would do the worst and why. Throw anything out there!! States teaming up, or just running a muck.  Say you factor Soldiers into play, then assume they will go back home and fight along with their state. 2014-02-24T20:52:43-05:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 63772

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Hypothetical question, Every state in the US goes to war with each other (not trying to bash people's home states by any means). Which state would do the best, which states would do the worst and why. Throw anything out there!! States teaming up, or just running a muck.  Say you factor Soldiers into play, then assume they will go back home and fight along with their state.

2014-02-24T20:52:43-05:00 2014-02-24T20:52:43-05:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 63775

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><p>Delaware!</p><p> </p>

2014-02-24T20:53:52-05:00 2014-02-24T20:53:52-05:00 SGT Private RallyPoint Member 63777

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>As silly as this is (Im from Arizona btw...)<div><br></div><div>Texas. Texas simply has everything the other states cannot afford. They have land, petroleoum, natural gas, self sustaining energy, plenty of military bases, and the worlds 14th largest self sustaining economy. With odds like that, they d be hard to beat. </div><div><br></div><div>Keep in mind that I said they have everything the other states do not. Only one that would come close is California. </div>

2014-02-24T20:55:28-05:00 2014-02-24T20:55:28-05:00 LTC Private RallyPoint Member 63813

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>First we would have to define victory.  If the goal is to be left alone then AK or HI.<div><br></div><div>Not sure why splitting up the union would cause a war between states.</div><div><br></div><div>Even TX would have a hard time if they were the invading army that occupied the other states.</div>

2014-02-24T21:34:49-05:00 2014-02-24T21:34:49-05:00 SSG V. Michelle Woods 63818

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Come on now...Texas. Y'all can't argue that...well at least not with any bonafide information :)

2014-02-24T21:37:31-05:00 2014-02-24T21:37:31-05:00 SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member 63821

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Think about it, now. Pennsylvania can start firing up those old steel mills again and crank out some pretty awesome weaponry. PA is full or resources, and if all else fails, we got that Amish Mafia. It has been said we cling to our religion and guns in PA.<div><br></div><div>When it comes to Texas, just tell those Steelers and Eagles fans there are Cowboys fans around and its a wrap!</div>

2014-02-24T21:43:21-05:00 2014-02-24T21:43:21-05:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 63842

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Texas......2nd place, NC, as long as they still have America's guard of Honor.

2014-02-24T22:00:47-05:00 2014-02-24T22:00:47-05:00 MSG Private RallyPoint Member 63844

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><p>I would have to say North Carolina.  We have some of the best hospitals and colleges in the Nation.  We have one of the largest if not the largest Army Posts in the world, We have the largest East Coast Marine Corps duty station at Camp Lejeune, and up until Pope Air Force base became Pope Army Airfield we had to Air Force Bases.  Now economically we will do what we have done for years and that's make more Pepsi, Mount Olive Pickles, Krispy Cream Doughnuts, Texas Pete Hot Sauce, and the other hundreads of items we sale that come out of North Carolina.  Also we will continue to sale Cotton and Tobacco the two crops that put us on top with agriculture sales for years.  </p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Other than that and having the awesome power of JSOC, the 82nd Airborne Division, 1 SF Group,  2nd Marine Recon out of Lejeune and several F-15's, I would say we would be ok in a battle against Texas. :)</p>

2014-02-24T22:02:32-05:00 2014-02-24T22:02:32-05:00 Cpl Ray Fernandez 63981

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>California would have a huge advantage as far as economics, and population. The most populous state and the largest economy. The worst states would likely be the least populated states with the smallest economies so many southern states would have a disadvantage and aside from being remote and having Canada as a buffer would help Alaska slightly.<br><br>

2014-02-25T00:02:25-05:00 2014-02-25T00:02:25-05:00 MSG Private RallyPoint Member 63994

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Wisconsin would annex the Yooper fighting machine (Upper Peninsula of Michigan) and be unstoppable.  Everyone knows this to be true.  <br><br>Right?<br><br><br>

2014-02-25T00:49:21-05:00 2014-02-25T00:49:21-05:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 64002

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I would say the entire Northeast would gang up NY/RI/NH/ME/CT/MA/VT then PA/OH/NJ/DE would join for self preservation reasons.  Among all those states there is soo many weapons, and defense industries they would put up a good fight and their is would run rampant all over the east coast and midwest.

2014-02-25T01:16:54-05:00 2014-02-25T01:16:54-05:00 LTC Private RallyPoint Member 64039

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><p>As a Texan I am a bit biased but I would say Texas has a shot if we "nationalized" the federalized resources (i.e. JBSA, Ft. Hood, Ft. Bliss, etc...).  However the question of "war" is still undefined.  Is the purpose to defeat other states or to just defend your own territory?  I think Texas could defend itself pretty well against LA, OK, &amp; NM.  </p><p> </p><p>I think that in actuality Texas would send dipomats to those states and form an alliance.  NM was actually part of Texas originally anyway.  Texas would be more prone to invade northern Mexico and clear out the drug cartels and annex that territory as a buffer zone anyway.  </p><p> </p><p>Otherwise, as has been stated previously, AK and HI are pretty safe since they are isolated by natural boundaries.  A state would have to commission it's own Navy in order to even touch those states and that would limit the attackers to CA, OR, &amp; WA.</p><p> </p><p>The states with the biggest problem would be those in the central US where they would have 4 or 5 different fronts to defend.</p>

2014-02-25T04:48:21-05:00 2014-02-25T04:48:21-05:00 SPC Private RallyPoint Member 64040

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>California wouldn&#39;t stand a chance. There&#39;s so many liberals in that state. It would surrender and probably jump on the bandwagon winning state. Same goes for New York. California has a 10 day wait period on owning firearms. New York is just as strict. I&#39;d be afraid of the south. They&#39;d probably try and form the CSA again. lol.

2014-02-25T04:49:15-05:00 2014-02-25T04:49:15-05:00 SGM Private RallyPoint Member 64047

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>While I would love to say my "All-Americans" would whop anyone, I have to be honest, you cannot beat Texas.  There are several reasons.  Number 1. Resources of the military nature.  There are two Armored Divisions and a regimental Cav Squadron rolling in Strykers.  That is tough to beat.  Number 2. Retirees and past Soldiers.  There is a huge number of ex-military in Texas with a whole lot of training under their belt.  Number 3.  Good 'Ol Boys.  You can not think that just some good 'ol country field craft will not come in to play.  And all those good 'ol boys have a lot of weapons (I know I have become one).  Finally, number 4, economy.  Texas produces its own crops, and oil.  Food to fuel the troops, fuel for the vehicles.  Most of the other states dont have that capability.  It is a huge to cost to import these products and once we go to war, OPEC will jack up their prices. 

2014-02-25T05:21:49-05:00 2014-02-25T05:21:49-05:00 Cpl Benjamin Long 64064

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Smaller states would collude to overthrow larger states, then turn on each other.  I think the Cali would get overrun first by the PNW and the Four corner states, Texas would probably conscript Mexican mercenaries to war with its border states... The Appalacian states, Ohio would would dominate it's border states but be at a disadvantage since it has enemies at all flanks.  New England the dominant state would be New York and in the South More than Likely the Carolinas would collude to take Georgia and Florida

2014-02-25T07:06:55-05:00 2014-02-25T07:06:55-05:00 SFC Michael Hasbun 64077

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The overall winner would be Canada =) They get to swoop in and take over after the dust settles.

2014-02-25T07:55:35-05:00 2014-02-25T07:55:35-05:00 CPT Private RallyPoint Member 64085

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I'm from the upper mid-west but I have to agree with the majority here.  It wold be Texas.  While a lot of states could claim as high a citizen to gun ratio, the combination of population, agriculture, industry, seaports, military bases, high percentage of citizens with military training, and largest National Guard puts Texas FAR out in front.<div>I'm waiting for someone to pick California so I can read the responses. LOLOLOL</div>

2014-02-25T08:33:52-05:00 2014-02-25T08:33:52-05:00 SPC Christopher Smith 64117

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><p>Lets speak tactics and strategy, If it came down to all out civial war, Alaska would win, but we will hold off on why. </p><p> </p><p>First lets look at a few factors, gangs, and SMs. These two groups are going to house your largest cahces of ammunition and weapons. California, and Texas are at the advantage of land mass, natural protection via arrid conditions, and population. Likely states would pull together such as Indiana and Illinois, Maryland, Virginia, Deleware, and possibly the most eastern part of West Virginia, and the most southern part of Pennsyvaina. Just a few theortical alliances. The issue is who is going to charge first and why. With the idea of Nevada, and Arizona teaming up with California they would have to make a charge North to protect the water pumps. Oregon and Washington getting into an alliance will not do much to save them as they will still become overwhelmed by sheer number of people. Ultimately, the first mad dash would be for the securing of natural resources, and land for food growth, population control and numbers is what it all boils down to.</p><p> </p><p>Without doing the research on where most weapons and munitions are made, I'll assume they are manufactured somewhere in the mid-west, giving them the advantage on a surplus of creating rounds for surplus. Texas has the another leg up with oil reserves being located there and Luisiana. Luisiana won't have much to worry about because outside of their seafood production and woods in the swamps they do not have much in the amount of resources worth fighting over, so I see them becoming a hot zone of control, just for expansion.  </p><p> </p><p>Now lets get to why Alaska wins. They win because any other state that would want to attack them would have to war with Canada, or come by sea. Coming by sea is the easiest way yet the dumbest, because Alaska does have military bases, and assuming their range being so close to Russia anti-notical capabilities. The next advantage, cold conditions, the reason Russia has never been beat on their own soil will be the reason Alaska ccan't lose, you have to fight them in summer time only, because the winter will reduce amount of forces able to fight. If you cannot maintain a supply route once in Alaska your men will starve and just like Germany you lost that battle. The amount of resources to try and take over Alaska would not be worth it, and depending on who takes power in the connected states, they might just decide to trade Alaska to Canada for support to unify the states under their control. This is the only way Alaska doesn't win the fight.</p><p> </p><p>Everyone yelling Hawii, good luck with that, they import everything, they would starve off and die without ever being thought of.</p>

2014-02-25T10:14:43-05:00 2014-02-25T10:14:43-05:00 GySgt Private RallyPoint Member 64178

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>When you stand in front of your men and ask who is from Texas and half of them raise their hands.  You know Texas is filled with veterans, service members, and many who want to wear the uniform.  In this case, the state with the most military might would win.

2014-02-25T12:47:18-05:00 2014-02-25T12:47:18-05:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 64395

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Virginia death by taxation yea we got a pretty good chance of winning.

2014-02-25T16:59:58-05:00 2014-02-25T16:59:58-05:00 CW2 Private RallyPoint Member 64419

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I am going to say West VA. I am not from there, but the terrain and the hillbillies would create a lasting insurgency should their government fall. Plus they are generally stubborn. 

2014-02-25T17:24:13-05:00 2014-02-25T17:24:13-05:00 SPC Private RallyPoint Member 64565

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think the Carolinas would team up with Virginia and West Virgina, recruiting Georgia along the way. Pennsylvania would try to join forces but talks would cease when the Amish Mafia began raiding West Virginia, insuring the state's downfall in the process. This alliance would sweep up north and decimate the New England region, for obvious reasons (Florida would have a civil war and tear itself to pieces). After that conquest has passed Illinois and Indiana would've been ravaged by each other and Ohio would move in to claim what's left. I think the Midwest would realize that Texas is a major player and they would form a pact to first disband that superpower before turning on each other. Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana would kill each other off and then be overrun by the Kentucky Tennessee alliance which would in turn side with Arkansas against the rest of the Midwest. After the bloody war for Texas the Midwest would be in ruins and would be the battleground for the North South West Carolina Virginia Georgia Alliance vs. the Arkentennesse Union. While that battle is being waged California would be ill equipped to handle the horde of troops from Utah and Nevada and would be taken over by the local gangs only to be destroyed by all the gun collecting conservatives from Utah and Nevada. New Mexico and Arizona would wage a blitzkrieg against the stoned and unprepared Democratic State of Colorado and would hold out there indefinitely. Oregon and Washington would soon fall to Utah and Nevada as well. I predict North and South Dakota to turn on each other fairly quickly and the survivors would flee across the border into Canada to seek refuge. Idaho, Wyoming, Montana would be crushed by the forces of the North South West Carolina Virginia Georgia Alliance after they defeated Arkentennesse. This battle would take place in the frozen tundra of Michigan where the shear numbers of The Alliance would prevail. The Alaskan Empire would not be involved in the conflict because no army would be willing to travel that far north. Hawaii would starve and turn into a cannibalistic society left to fend for themselves and slowly dwindle into nothing. Utah and Nevada would realize that a war with the People's Republic of New Arizona would be too costly and would agree to become allies, divvying up everything west of the Mississippi River while the North South West Carolina Virginia Georgia Alliance would have what lies east of it. The Alaskan Empire would become an economic superpower and would provide oil to the remaining kingdoms in exchange for agricultural goods. Feel free to comment with your twist on the story and what you think should or would happen.

2014-02-25T20:27:15-05:00 2014-02-25T20:27:15-05:00 CPT Aaron Kletzing 64566

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Illinois would win because of the west side of Chicago.  It has been an all out war there for years.  If you go there you don't come back.  

2014-02-25T20:29:22-05:00 2014-02-25T20:29:22-05:00 SSG Oliver Mathews 64722

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I was gonna leave this alone but its been taunting me...<br><br>Basing this question totally of of the people in the state, i would have to say the Hawaii and alaska, Texas would probably be one of if not THE strongest lower 48 however Hawaii and Alaska would probably be the easiest to defend. that being said I am assuming that Texas has won the lower 48 (Based on the comments posted in this thread) <br><br>The are both isolated in some way, you would have to have a Navy to attack Hawaii and depending on if all the soldiers left completely back home to their states you would probably keep a contingent of soldiers/Seamen in Hawaii that would rather live on the Island than Maine (87 year round vs snow?) Thus you would have a small navy at your disposal, It would take a few days to teach the guns and gunships to the non military/not navy personnel but at the end of it by the time an attacking force arrived in the AO of Hawaii, it wouldn't be enough Sorry Texas, you never stood a chance.  <br><br>Alaska on the other hand, would need to be attacked Via Water or Land, and the probability that Canada would allow Texas to March/drive an army through them is not likely... BUT say you they did... (cause Texas is great but that's a lot of fighting to get to a well stocked naval yard)... Would the Texans be prepared for the cold? the Tundra? how about when you got to Alaska? could you withstand the first winter where it wouldnt get over freezing for days weeks months at a time? <br><br>In closing i do believe that Texas would be the strongest lower 48. However Hawaii and Alaska are to isolated, and have to much natural protection to be taken by any of the lower 48. <br><br><br>

2014-02-25T23:29:18-05:00 2014-02-25T23:29:18-05:00 SPC Padraic Lukowski 64759

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><p>It both terrifies me, and gives me hope for the future that so many people have put thought into this question. Truth be told, I don't think Texas would win by itself. I think there would simply be too many people wanting to take them out or lessen their influence. Ignoring or eliminating the question of Nukes, I really think it would be a question of Northwest vs. Cali, Northeast vs. the Southeast coastal states, The Old-and-Midwest vs. the South, with Alaska and Hawaii joining up with Ecotopia. <br><br>Oregon would be a massive information trader, since we have so many transplants from all across the country here. I can hardly meet a group of new people without finding at least one transplant amongst them. Texans, folks from Tennessee, as well as a few Floridians, Ohioans, New Yorkers, people from Georgia, Chicago, California, Conneticut, Arizona, Kansas, the Dakotas, and Zeus only knows how many from the rest of the states I have personally met that have decided to stay.<br><br>Now, I am sure that many states have many transplants, thanks to people moving their families with every PCS. The strange thing is, most of the transplants I know are veterans. Airforce, Army, Marines... Or the kids of veterans. While we don't have any major bases here, just armories and the such, any side that had Oregon under its' wing would have access to vast stores of inteligence that could tip the tide.</p><p> </p><p>To put it bluntly, Oregonians don't like California. We like our guns, despite Portland being an island of blue in an ocean of red. Red State vs. Blue state doesn't mean a damned thing. Whomsoever can win the cities will win the states. States that we think of as being primarily blue could shift red, and vise vera.<br><br>This all being said, I must stress that old truism: "No plan, no matter how well conceived, survives first contact with the enemy."<br></p>

2014-02-26T00:04:17-05:00 2014-02-26T00:04:17-05:00 SSG Christopher Freeman 64917

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>From what I have gathered from comments, it seems that California would be the first to fall and Texas has the majority vote. I go with Va. mostly because it's home.

2014-02-26T07:51:37-05:00 2014-02-26T07:51:37-05:00 Maj Chris Nelson 65499

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>So, the BIG question is does the state get to use the military assets in the states??  If so, I think that Montana has a shot at it!  We have 150 Minute Man 3 nukes!! ;-)  If you are going for just conventional.....MT has LOTS of terrain to hide in (think movie Red Dawn....) but for sheer conventional forces, TX is huge....GA is not far behind.  FL and NM have most of the special forces......could get interesting! 

2014-02-26T20:42:02-05:00 2014-02-26T20:42:02-05:00 Brycen Friborg 2471077

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Minnesota, Texas, New York, California, and North Dakota are all contenders because they&#39;re all basically self sustaining.

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