Who other than myself feels that a photo ID must be shown when voting?

2015-07-20T00:04:44-04:00

http://www.usnews.com/debate-club/is-voter-fraud-a-real-problem/voter-fraud-deniers-ignore-the-facts

Voter Fraud is alive and well in Texas....and I bet is in other states too.

https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/alerts/alerts_view.php?id=128&type=3

Response by SSG Trevor S. made Jul 20 at 2015 12:07 AM

2015-07-20T00:07:54-04:00

Should? Yes. Actually currently required? No, unfortunately.

Response by LTC Kevin B. made Jul 20 at 2015 12:14 AM

2015-07-20T00:14:10-04:00

As long as IDs are provided free and easily/readily available to all eligible voters, then I don't have any problem with it. I don't understand why they aren't just made and handed out immediately upon registering.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 20 at 2015 12:15 AM

2015-07-20T00:15:51-04:00

Sgt Kelli Mays I know I always had to sign in and I think I had to show ID or something. It was hard to get my absentee ballot last year, but once they knew I was who I said I was I was good. Not good to have "dead" people voting.

Response by LTJG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 20 at 2015 12:19 AM

2015-07-20T00:19:19-04:00

How would you distribute the ID? How would you read it for absentee voters? What about states that only use mail in ballots?

Response by SSgt Alex Robinson made Jul 20 at 2015 12:59 AM

2015-07-20T00:59:25-04:00

If I have to show one to cash a check, get on an airplane etc then yes it must be shown before voting. Common sense!

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Jul 20 at 2015 1:35 AM

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"It’s been over seven years since the Supreme Court, in a 6–3 decision that was written by liberal favorite John Paul Stevens, declared that voter-ID laws don’t constitute an undue burden on people attempting to vote.

But that hasn’t stopped liberals from fighting in legislatures and courts against those laws and other efforts to promote voter integrity.

The lawsuits are often brought by Marc Elias, who doubles as the attorney for Hillary Clinton’s campaign. And their efforts have paid off: Only about 18 states currently require a photo ID to vote."

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/421292/voter-id-other-countries-require

The World Requires Voter ID, but George Soros and Hillary Clinton Are Determined the U.S. Won’t

Almost all industrial democracies require voter ID to participate in elections.

Response by SGT Jeremiah B. made Jul 20 at 2015 2:04 AM

2015-07-20T02:04:17-04:00

Solution in search of a problem. For YEARS, a voter registration card or power bill was enough and everyone was fine. Suddenly, the GOP starts losing ground and ID becomes a hot topic from Conservative groups? At some point, you have to grow up and stop blaming the other guy for your inability to sell your message. In-person voter fraud is a non-factor. Spending billions to "fix" a non-existent problem is wasteful and has very questionable motives.

Absentee ballot fraud? Still not a factor, but a much more common occurrence.

Response by CSM Michael J. Uhlig made Jul 20 at 2015 2:29 AM

2015-07-20T02:29:06-04:00

Absolutely!

Response by SPC Thomas Baldwin made Jul 20 at 2015 2:54 AM

2015-07-20T02:54:14-04:00

Yes definitely photo ID is a must in Florida

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Jul 20 at 2015 4:02 AM

2015-07-20T04:02:47-04:00

I am of several thoughts on the Matter. If I was convinced that all US Citizens could get some form of ID that would be accepted and at no cost to themselves. I wouldn't see a problem with it but I seriously doubt that will ever be the case so I see it as Voter Disenfranchisement (Discourage Qualified Voters from Voting). Some people don't have Drivers Licenses (I didn't have one until I was 39). Some People have never flown on a Plane. Some people don't have time to go down to the License Bureau and get a Non-Drivers ID. Also having read all the statistics on "Voter Fraud" I see it as Virtually as a Non-Existent Problem. On a Political Level I see it as Republicans discouraging Poor Democrats from Voting and I can understand why they want to do it (Sickening as I find it).

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Jul 20 at 2015 6:54 AM

2015-07-20T06:54:21-04:00

Honestly, I don't think I should have to have an ID at all in the US. I think it's a superfluous requirement. I know who I am. I have information who proves who I am.

However... There are certain things that "administrative necessitate" identification. A Driver's License is just one example. You are operating an industrial piece of machinery, and having proof that you are qualified with it is a reasonable requirement. Should it have your address, and date of birth on it? No. Not in the modern era, when police have the ability to cross reference it to a database to determine exactly who you are. Should it be used for anything else than it's stated purpose? Hell no. But somehow we let things slide out of control, and it has.

Now, administratively, we had to register to vote, because you are tied to a voting district. That is an "administrative necessity" and just like a Driver's License, it could be done without a Photo ID. We just happen to use that model. That doesn't make it the "best" model. I'm not saying it isn't a good model, because it does reduce the chances of fraudulent voting, however it also opens the door to debate regarding the Civil Right of Voting in general.

So while I do think we need to ensure the voting process & system itself must be protected, and registration & identification is currently a good model to do that, I have problems with ID's in general. Any time you make a requirement, you can make said requirement prohibitive either via cost, effort, or some other means.

Most states are pretty good about the cost, providing them at low or no cost. Effort is debatable. No one wants to go to the DMV/DPS/etc, because it's just a hassle, and giving up a few hours of a day, where you could be getting paid, or which is out of your way, or which has paperwork requirements which you cannot meet. These are all concerns which must be tempered.

Response by SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. made Jul 20 at 2015 8:56 AM

2015-07-20T08:56:30-04:00

I think it boils down to the cost of the ID.
If it costs anything it is a poll-tax.

Response by SrA Edward Vong made Jul 20 at 2015 9:23 AM

2015-07-20T09:23:55-04:00

It wouldn't be a bad idea for photo IDs to be provided to the government for free. If that's the case, then yes, photo IDs should be shown when voting.

Response by LCpl Mark Lefler made Jul 20 at 2015 9:24 AM

2015-07-20T09:24:50-04:00

no, because if an American citizen doesn't have one, and they are turned away, than their constitutional rights are being infringed upon.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 20 at 2015 9:41 AM

2015-07-20T09:41:47-04:00

Strongly agree!

Response by MSgt James Mullis made Jul 20 at 2015 9:49 AM

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I'd love it. However, for this to work you need to have a proof of citizenship card to vote. The reason is that New Mexico and many other states give drivers Licenses (with photographs), state ID's (with photographs) for non drivers, and voter registration cards to anyone who can show proof of residency. Acceptable proof of residency includes such items as bills, bank statements, welfare cards, library cards, gym membership cards, and insurance cards; basically anything with your name on it.

Response by SSG Billy Crosby made Jul 20 at 2015 10:18 AM

2015-07-20T10:18:36-04:00

Absolutely

Response by TSgt Kenneth Ellis made Jul 20 at 2015 12:13 PM

2015-07-20T12:13:20-04:00

I'm always ready to show my ID. But I'm from California and they do not ask. Obama, Hillary and his other toadies call it racist but I can give you a list of things you need an ID for. And the top of the list, you need an ID to go to an Obama, Hillary event.

Response by SGT Dylan Epp made Jul 20 at 2015 12:45 PM

2015-07-20T12:45:05-04:00

Its the norm in allot of other countries. I'm all for it.

Response by SP5 Joel O'Brien made Jul 20 at 2015 4:13 PM

2015-07-20T16:13:29-04:00

I would have no problem providing an ID if asked in order to vote.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 21 at 2015 2:04 PM

2015-07-21T14:04:08-04:00

I agree with this, in this day and age for someone not to have an ID is absurd. If you don't have an ID how do you register to vote and prove you are who you say you are? This opens to door to voter fraud in my opinion.

Response by SFC Jeff L. made Jul 22 at 2015 10:19 AM

2015-07-22T10:19:32-04:00

Showing a photo ID is no longer enough. Now that illegal aliens are able to legally obtain a driver's license in 10 states the only option left is a national voter registration id for which one must provide proof of citizenship. Of course that still doesn't prevent people from voting in different locations which seems to be the most common form of in-person voter fraud.

The real problem is in the absentee and mail in ballot system. That's much harder to track and verify.

Response by SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. made Jul 22 at 2015 10:27 AM

2015-07-22T10:27:50-04:00

Seems like California has the right idea...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/california-id-homeless-people_55ae9054e4b07af29d568b34?

New California Law Gives Free IDs To Homeless People So They Can Access Housing, School

The thing that often stands in the way of a homeless person and housing is just a state-issued identification. But a new law in California is making sure that its residents are no longer stranded on the

Response by SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. made Jul 22 at 2015 10:35 AM

2015-07-22T10:35:58-04:00

When I read the lead article (USNews) and saw the leadin "Twelve thousand noncitizens registered to vote in Colorado" I thought that sounded a bit odd. So I did a little checking and this is what the truth (that pesky thing) appears to be ...
"The Colorado secretary of state's office says nearly 12,000 registered voters are listed as non-U.S. citizens because they failed to check a box affirming citizenship when they registered to vote."

See that? Not "non-citizen" but "didn't check a box"

Response by SPC Tony Bucaro made Jul 22 at 2015 8:20 PM

2015-07-22T20:20:10-04:00

I couldn't agree with you more SGT Mays.

Response by PO3 Sherry Thornburg made Jul 22 at 2015 10:10 PM

2015-07-22T22:10:10-04:00

Me. Try to go to the doctor without one, or any number of other things we do every day that require proof of who you are.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 23 at 2015 1:41 AM

2015-07-23T01:41:03-04:00

You need an ID to buy things that make you happy like alcohol, tobacco, to drive, even get into many clubs and more importantly, defending this nation. But when it comes to needing an ID to elect one individual to be the face of our nation, and have the power to send us to battle in defense of our nations interests, everyone wants to scream about some minor detail or jump on the freedom wagon. I agree that you should be required to have a state issued ID card at the states expense to vote. States, even the fed waste money. Of course what they waste money on is for another day, but to everyone, they do in some way. With the influx of people coming into our country in a way that is also another debate, the great citizens of this country should be awarded their chance in a fair and untainted election. Every system has its flaws and this may not be the perfect answer. I feel it would be a step in the right direction.

Response by 1LT Aaron Barr made Dec 2 at 2015 2:52 PM

2015-12-02T14:52:44-05:00

I most certainly do! I wonder if all those moaning that voter ID requirements are discriminatory and infringe on the right to vote would be willing to apply their peculiar brand of 'logic' to the 2nd Amendment. After all, the 2nd Amendment states that individuals have the right to keep and bear arms but if I try to exercise either of those rights, either by purchasing a gun or applying for a concealed carry permit, I'm forced to show a state-issued photo ID. Not only that, I'm also subject to both a 2nd Amendment test and a 2nd Amendment tax in the form of having to fill out a background check and pay a fee to have the background check run. Since the requirements to exercise my 2nd Amendment rights are far more onerous than the simple photo ID requirement for voting and obviously infringes on that right by creating a burden to that exercise, I have no doubt that the anti-photo ID people will join me in calling for ALL photo ID and background check laws to be repealed. I'm equally confident that they'll also label anybody who disagrees with this, no matter what the reason, to be a racist who hates the poor.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 3 at 2015 9:39 AM

2015-12-03T09:39:18-05:00

I'd like to see a survey of how many voter aged American's that do not have a valid form of ID. I've read anywhere from 10% to up to 25% in certain demographics, do not possess a valid ID. I'd be even more interested in a regional breakdown as well - potentially identifying areas of high "ID-less" persons and then you could begin to figure out why that is, based on where they live.

It's just hard to fathom that people who live within an urban environment can live day to day without a valid ID, with all of the ID requirements we have within our society. I know people do live day to day in these areas without one - but that leads me to "assume" that they lack a banking account, accounts with utility companies, are alcohol/tobacco free, etc... Which I know is a poor assumption - but it's also why I do not understand the poll tax label...as you need a valid from of ID for so many things within the system.

Response by Sgt Carlos Barrera made Jul 27 at 2016 1:09 PM

2016-07-27T13:09:58-04:00

If you are required to show an ID to obtain benefits from the government; your damned skipy that you have to show one to vote; show that is you casting your vote.
Is a big pile of BS stating that showing an ID to vote is racial discrimination