When the Army made it official that the UPC (digital pattern) uniform is no longer to be used, does that include the fleece jacket?

2019-12-14T13:35:40-05:00

Back Story:

A higher ranking NCO and I were talking when we seen an E7 walking wearing the OCP uniform with the green fleece jacket. The NCO I was talking to said something to him about that jacket not being authorized, and the E7 responded by saying that it’s still a transitional period and he can still wear it. I’m a little lost on this.

Anybody have an answer to this.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 14 at 2019 1:42 PM

2019-12-14T13:42:47-05:00

Fleece jacket is separate suthorization. Itll fall under the same guidance of wearing ucp cold weather gear with ocp uniforms. Surprisingly some posts still havent fully transitioned.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 14 at 2019 1:53 PM

2019-12-14T13:53:36-05:00

if your issued it, you can wear it. until the Army fully transitions over, you can still use the equipment issued to you. Hell, I still use OD green and BDU coveralls. It would be a different story if he was issued the OCP gear and chose to use old equipment.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 14 at 2019 2:16 PM

2019-12-14T14:16:38-05:00

OCIE does not expire I don’t think so. Until you are issued a new piece of OCP gear to replace the old I believe you can use the old.

Response by SN Greg Wright made Dec 14 at 2019 2:23 PM

2019-12-14T14:23:23-05:00

On a lighter note, SSG! :)

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 14 at 2019 2:24 PM

2019-12-14T14:24:24-05:00

It's not a transitional period, and the OCP guidelines are for your uniform, not TA-50 and other OCIE. You're authorized to wear whatever CIF issues you until it phases out. My CIF is still issuing UCP rucks, IOTV, goretex jackets and everything else, and they will be for years to come. Deploying units are highest on the totem pole for the newest issue and non deploying and TDA units are on the very bottom. Not that long ago I was issued a black sleeping bag from the woodland set. You get what you get, based on your priority, until the Army updates you.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 14 at 2019 3:04 PM

2019-12-14T15:04:32-05:00

You can still wear the old outerwear until you are issued the new ocp patterns.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 14 at 2019 8:51 PM

2019-12-14T20:51:37-05:00

Go to armypubs.army.mil and go to the ALARACT section, it was published in Oct of 19. I cant remember the number off the top of my head. The alaract tells you what patterns on what gear is allowed. All ECWCS in UCP still authorized.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2019 5:15 AM

2019-12-15T05:15:09-05:00

My understanding is that the fleece jacket is an issued OCIE item and not a clothing item. Since I have not been issued the new fleece I am authorized to wear it with my OCP uniform. This is how my unit supply sergeant explained it to me.

Response by SFC Casey O'Mally made Dec 15 at 2019 7:22 AM

2019-12-15T07:22:46-05:00

Everyone has answered the correct answer. If it's issued, you can wear it.

I'll give youbthe "Army" answer. Don't wear the old stuff if you can avoid it. It draws fire. Obviously, you can't always avoud it, but if you are walking from heated office to heated truck to heated barracks for a barracks inspection, then back to heated truck and to heated food court for lunch, you can probable do without for those 30 second walks to and from the truck.

I AM NOT SAYING TO BE UNSAFE. Just use common sense on whether it is worth drawing the attention. Even if an ass-chewing is unwarranted, it is still an ass-chewing.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2019 12:40 PM

2019-12-15T12:40:17-05:00

I wouldn't wear it but ultimately it's authorized as discussed.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2019 1:25 PM

2019-12-15T13:25:38-05:00

Seems like the question has been answered, however, I’d like to propose a new one: why is he wearing a fleece on the outside of his uniform? It’s an inner garment. Should be worn under your uniform jacket. Everyone always complains “Army cold weather gear doesn’t work” but no one wants to wear it correctly. They have a whole class on it and the science behind it.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 13 at 2021 6:42 PM

2021-11-13T18:42:22-05:00

To make it a little clear but still along what the others have been saying: the UCP items that are not to be used are the ACUs that are part of the individuals clothing bag. The fleece jacket, along with gortex coats and trousers, happy suit, poly pro, and grid fleece, are part of the CIF issued/TA-50 ecwcs gen iii system and therefore the grey/foliage green pieces can still be used/worn. CIF/TA-50 is not counted under the clothing bag UCP deauthorization.