When someone makes E-5 (Sgt) can that person request a different unit due to the fact they were a SPC prior with the same unit?

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Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 20 at 2017 1:10 PM

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Are you AD, USAR or USANG?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 20 at 2017 1:13 PM

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Speaking for the reserves, when an individual is promoted into the rank of E5 and above, that individual as assigned to a unit (included in the promotion order) and is required to serve in that position for 1 year. If the individual fails to meet that time, the individual is reduced to the prior rank. The only way to get around this, that I know of, is to obtain a letter of release from the commander releasing you from that one year requirement.

With that being said, myy advice to the individual is to get over it. There is no need for the change of a unit just because the individual is promoted. If you can't step and lead your peers, who can you lead?

However, if the urge to move is still there, work the the chain of command and seek their feedback.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Mar 20 at 2017 1:32 PM

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Request? Sure..Is the command obligated? NO

Its often cited as a best practice, but reality is, many times it does not happen for a verity of reasons..
Assuming the SM is a quality soldier, the commander is apt not to want to get rid of them.

The action is commonly done through a like MOS/ rank swap unit internal.....that means a leader in another unit is being torn from his squad. Or the Sm is sent to a unit with a vacancy, meaning the loosing commander is just loosing a leader.. Company grade CDR's are not apt to to that on their own..
the unit CSM managers team leaders (E5)
As the BN CSM has the WHOLE unit health under their preview and responsibility, the BN leadership is more likely to direct a new E5 move then the company level.

Response by SGT David T. made Mar 20 at 2017 1:40 PM

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You can request all you want. That and a token will get you on the subway. I was promoted to E-5 in the same unit I was an E-4 in. There was an adjustment period for me and my Soldiers, but other than that I never had any issues with it. Be professional and adapt to the new role and you will be fine.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 20 at 2017 2:28 PM

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If possible as a company commander I at least would try to swap squads or platoons. I've experienced sometime when your spec 4 buddy becomes your SGT boss and, problems ensued. This lessens conflicts and allows professional and personnel development. However there were lots of times when this wasn't possible because of their job or not open positions.

Response by SPC(P) Gildardo Navarro made Mar 20 at 2017 2:39 PM

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if your platoon is over strength in SGT's then you can

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 20 at 2017 2:56 PM

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I went from PVT to SGT in the same Btry, same Section. Yes it was a challenge, but one I would not change. I learned, and had to deal with difficult situations immediately. Your friends will support you, your buddies will make them selves known right away. To this day I'm still in contact with my friends from that time.

Response by SGT Elizabeth Elliott made Mar 20 at 2017 4:38 PM

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I actually promoted to another unit. I was in a supply unit that supported a field artillery unit. Not a lot of promotional abilities for a female. Now I am NOT an expert at this stuff so i could be wrong about some stuff and I promoted to SGT in the national guard. This is my experience. After being turned down for promotion a few times, I checked the box that asked if I was willing to go to another unit for promotion. I then got promoted but had to go to another unit

Response by CPO Bill Penrod made Mar 20 at 2017 6:12 PM

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Whatever for if it's a leadership position lead. It never it's easy......

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 20 at 2017 6:27 PM

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SPC Private RallyPoint Member There is no such thing as E5 rank, and the right way of abbreviating Sergeant is SGT (All Caps). Now to answer your question, I have seen that in some of my previous units as a local SOP, but me personally don't see the need, if you get promoted to SGT and cannot differentiate between work and friends, then most likely that person is not ready to be an NCO.

Response by 1SG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 20 at 2017 6:40 PM

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You can request anything. Just be prepared to be told "no".

Response by PV2 Logan Johnson made Mar 20 at 2017 7:53 PM

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SPC Pete, I can say with my knowledge of 42A stuffs. You can request a change, but most likely what will happen is you would be moved to a different platoon or company, or if your really unlucky headquarters. The only times where command is forced to move you is if your married to another in the same company/battalion, or if you have had "problems" with the CoC. But that only goes up as far as brigade standards so I can't say if that's the case on all posts.

Response by SGT Matthew S. made Mar 20 at 2017 9:36 PM

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A request can always be made, but no guarantee it will actually be granted.

On a side note, in my first unit Soldiers who became NCOs typically stayed with their group. I don't recall any issues with it, though.

The SOP of the Battalion I was in when I made E5 was to transfer newly-promoted E5's to a different Platoon, if not Company. That didn't always happen, though, and I stayed right in the same Squad I started out in.

I never had an issue, though. Both I and the Soldiers under me knew the difference between on-duty & off-duty time. When we were on duty and I gave an order, they followed it without hesitation.

Largely, I think it comes down to the personnel involved and the existing leadership climate.

Response by COL Charles Williams made Mar 21 at 2017 12:26 AM

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SPC Private RallyPoint Member Why do you want to leave? You can if you want, but why? Some units I have been in, made that SOP. But, I don't see a need. I went from E-1 to E-5(P) in the same unit and all was OK. Not always easy, but OK. It was probably better, as I had to learn to deal with Soldiers who were my buddies, and now were in my section, team, squad... It was very good experience. Why do you want to pop smoke?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 21 at 2017 11:47 AM

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Yes when filling your promotion packet check sheet out it gives you a 50 to 100 mile or so range of units you can apply for. If you get it all depends on the Army reserve slots in each unit and a vacancy has to be open

Response by 1SG Timothy Trewin made Mar 22 at 2017 6:47 AM

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Can you? Sure. Would it make sense? Sure? Will it happen? Highly doubtful.

Response by 1SG Carlos E Bonet made Mar 26 at 2017 1:25 AM

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The nco should be moved to a new squad, just to make a little easy his transition and to maximize his developing leadership skills

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2017 9:41 PM

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Because there are two of us who are E5 92F same amount of time in.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 6 at 2017 10:33 PM

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The answer is YES! You have to do up a 4187 for action request unit change of assignment.

Response by SGT Chuck Taylor made Apr 15 at 2017 11:47 AM

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Curious question when i made e5 it was kind of a right of passage.to attain more responsibility and the opportunity to lead men.i was able to help the lower ranks. And i knew their capabilities. By know them it helped me be a better leader.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2017 11:35 AM

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Quit making excuses to lead and lead!!!

Response by CW2 Ernest Krutzsch made May 14 at 2017 12:04 PM

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I think staying and being successful is a testament to your leadership skills that will inevitably be put to the test. I didn't join the Army to make friends, I joined to do a job

Response by SGT Patrick Wells made May 14 at 2017 2:02 PM

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That is an interesting question. I have no answer for. I was always in a slot at least one grade above my current grade. As an E3 I was doing the job of an E4, I was in charge of the tools and equipment in our shop as well as the other men when ever the shop/Squad leader and his asst. Squad leader were both absent. which was not unusual . When I made E4 I was moved to an E5 slot till an E5 transferred in . Then I was transferred to another shop ,and put in charge of it An E6 slot. all tho on paper there was an E6 in that slot. He had no idea of/ nor interest in the job, so He had me take charge of the shop, and went back to the shop he preferred to work in. I very seldom saw him after that . I got my orders from my E8 or platoon leader.
When I reported to my new duty company was informed that there was no room for me in my MOS. I was asked if I would mind transferring to a different company. I accepted that offer.
I found out while in-processing that the Points had dropped while I was on leave. I was to be promoted as soon as orders were cut then they were back dated. The new duty company really didn't have a place for me either. I was asked to be the platoon clerk. I figured it beat being bored and just doing odd jobs. I accepted that job. Then I was told that it was an E6 slot since I was also considered the asst. platoon Sgt.
Reading back on this It seems that I was always in an unusual command situation.
Being in charge has always been natural. It started while in BCT as asst. squad leader then squad leader. I never had friends that I was afraid of giving orders to when necessary.
Reading this I wonder if this may be the reason I have no really close friends outside of my wife. I would not allow anyone to get really close since it seems like I would end up in charge of them at some point.

Response by SSgt Larry Atkinson made Oct 11 at 2018 3:26 PM

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I got out of the Marines as a Sergeant ( E-5). Went back in 6 years later as a Pfc ( E2) and was sent back to the base I got out of from. Worked for troops that use to work for me. My room mate in the barracks was an E-7. It was strange at first, but they knew I could do the job. Even baby sat a boot Lt. And kept him out of trouble. Last time I saw he was still calling me in for " My Thoughts " he was a Major. P.U light Col.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 11 at 2018 7:10 PM

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The army used to do just that long ago. The idea was that your peers wouldn't see you as a leader once you got promoted. To a degree, I still believe that is true. My peers definitely had problems treating me as a leader when I first got promoted. That said, it's not something you can't overcome. I still personally believe the army needs to make this mandatory again in order to breed more respect for junior NCOs.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 12 at 2018 9:59 AM

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Move-yes
Why-broaden your experiences
Why-prevent corruption of NCO(Old Boys Club)
Why-dont be a stove pipe soldier
Why-you gotta move on sometime
So what-lets you reinvent yourself
End result-more tools in your toolbox from different sources

Response by SSG Julian Nicholson made Oct 12 at 2018 10:25 AM

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I understand how some may argue that it will be difficult for a newly promoted NCO to lead soldiers he or she was a peer with prior to promotion. It is my opinion that this argument is emotional and does not have any merit. Those who find it difficult to lead previous peers were not ready for a leadership role to begin with. For those seeking to use their recent promotion to leave a unit they don’t like are likewise not ready for a leadership role.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 12 at 2018 10:37 AM

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It's a good practice but rarely done. Units are usually short on good leaders so moves rarely happen unless there is a unit deploying or u get PCS orders.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 12 at 2018 11:01 AM

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I went from CPL to SFC (NG) in the same unit no issues at all

Response by SFC C Bradshaw made Oct 12 at 2018 11:41 AM

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You don’t need to transfer If your squared away as a Spc 4 the transition to Sgt. isn’t that hard just know your buddies will test you before anyone else. Be firm but fair. Most of all KNOW YOUR JOB not only yours but the E6’s responsibilities as well. I’m a little ole school so leave you with this
“ MISSION FIRST MEN ALWAYS “
which mean you take care of them and they will take care of you.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 12 at 2018 11:44 AM

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Go for it. No guarantees, sometimes if your command is looking out for you, and they are able, they may make that determination whether you want it or not. If not you’re just going to have to step up. People do it all the time, when in charge, take charge.

Response by PVT Chris John made Oct 12 at 2018 12:09 PM

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You can ask whatever you want. That doesn't mean you will get it, unless it is in a contract that was signed by the military. You are the military and the military is you, rules are rules.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 12 at 2018 12:57 PM

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Really, an E5 has no power to do shit in this army. They should make E5 the old spec5 tank from Vietnam. SMA is a pansy ass and is the problem with NCO's in today's ARMY

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 12 at 2018 1:41 PM

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Staying in that u it and having to learn how to adjust truly makes u better. You will quickly see who your true friends are and you will have to leave the rest behind. Learn from each and every situation and ask lots of questions because the Rank doesnt instantly make u smarter

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 12 at 2018 3:03 PM

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Familiarity breeds contempt. Not always true but it is easier for the newly promoted to get a fresh start with a new unit.

Response by MSG Scott McBride made Oct 12 at 2018 3:03 PM

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In the past, company/battery level units have laterally transferred newly promoted NCOs to sister units in the same Bn for that reason. Nowadays, not so common. Once you put on those stripes, worry about making YOUR unit the best it can be. You will lose friends, but thats ok. You are there to lead, not lollygag.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 12 at 2018 3:05 PM

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Anyone else find it interesting that the picture used for this post is that of the CSM (formerly) that was busted down to SPC and sent to prison?

Response by SFC William Huse made Oct 12 at 2018 4:42 PM

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I have seen many promos from 4 fo 5. Never heard of anything like this before. If you are unable to function as an NCO n the same unit you are promoted in, then it's time to move on to another career.

Response by CPT Jeff Robinette made Oct 12 at 2018 5:31 PM

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I have mixed emotions on that issue. I can see staying in that same company as you already the chain of command and the troops you will be leading. But the chance of familiarity may be a difficult hurdle to clear.
In my opinion that would be the Commander and 1SG's decision. The simplest decision may be to .move that be SGT to another platoon in the company.

Response by SGM Ronald Cheatom made Oct 12 at 2018 5:37 PM

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The hardest ranks, in the army, were lateral promoted SP4, to Corporal, or those promoted to SGT/ E5. Not only do you deal with soldiers, personally, but you have to make that separation, from being one of the guys, to being their leader, and getting them to follow your directions. Those who choose to duck it up, and make that separation, go on to become good, effective leaders. Transfer, and you are ducking the challenge, that will shape your future, as an NCO.

Response by SSG Jonathan Sprague made Oct 12 at 2018 6:47 PM

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This may make some people angry, but
E-5 is not a rank, it is a pay grade. I was taught that you refer to the rank not the pay grade. I had a CSM that always said that an E- whatever, is a stripe wearer, a Sgt is a stripe bearer.

Response by SFC Charlie Broadus II made Oct 12 at 2018 7:36 PM

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Part of being a leader, is to lead it's tough sometimes to be in charge of soldiers you used to hang out with (which you can still do) but they need to know at "work" your the boss and your word is law

Response by SFC Christopher Koeppel made Oct 12 at 2018 8:00 PM

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I didnt get a choice. 10th Eng BN moved a new NCO to one of the adjacent Companies. It forced the Soldier out of a comfortable spot. At least that's what the BN Commander and CSM said.

Response by SFC Cameron Cranston made Oct 12 at 2018 8:19 PM

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Early 80s Fort Stewart. Promoted to SGT you changed squads. SSG, you changed Platoons. SFC, you went to a different Battery. My have been a local policy.

Response by CW3 Michael Clifford made Oct 12 at 2018 8:57 PM

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It really matters when you go from enlisted (SSG) to warrant. I was at the CID Office in Heidelberg as an enlisted agent in 1982 when I made SSG working crimes of violence and terrorism cases and within the month I was appointed as a WO1 under a direct appointment from President Reagan and was moved to Bad Kreznach where I was the Assistant Special Agent-in-Charge and the Chief of the Drug Suppression Team. All of that for the Heidelberg office with two warrants and one enlisted. If they would have left there, I would not have been senior as an enlisted or warrant agent.

Response by Lt Col George Roll made Oct 12 at 2018 9:00 PM

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I was an E4 ,E-5 in the USAF 507th Tactical Air Control Squadron (TACP) Then got Comissioned, after a combat tour in Vietnam and attending OTS. I was assigned to the same unit as OIC of Ta tical Air Control (TACP). It was very interesting couple of years, knowing the job and the equipment much better than your subordinates really helped.

Response by SGT Patrick Adamek made Oct 12 at 2018 9:23 PM

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I showed up at Fort Sill with promotion packet in hand. They said we have to observe you for 6 mos. before you can be promoted. 3 days later they pinned E5 stripes on me. I didn’t know anybody and I think that really helped. I saw many make E5 in the same unit and it normally wasn’t a problem, but it was easier for me not knowing anyone I think.

Response by SGM Paul Hensley made Oct 12 at 2018 10:06 PM

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If you can lead your friends, You can lead anyone. In 12 months I went from E1 to E5 in the same unit. I was only 18 years old and it made me a better leader. My friends help me to stay grounded and I always remembered that experience throughout my career, all the way to Sergeant Major.

Response by SFC Rob Williams made Oct 12 at 2018 10:23 PM

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You may request anything , but why would you want to ? I went from E-3 to E-6 in the same platoon ,I feel like soldiers in my platoon respected me and supported me during my transition.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 12 at 2018 10:40 PM

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I was required to move to a different company or sit and wait for promotion. In my brigade it was pretty much the policy to move NCO'S around.

Response by SSG Jeff Gerfen made Oct 12 at 2018 10:43 PM

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I never had a problem in any unit I was in when I got promoted.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 12 at 2018 11:00 PM

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I never saw much of a problem with keeping new E5s in the same unit. If possible you can always move them to another section or Platoon. The only time I would make any moves if my NCOs was if they moved into Senior positions. Someone who has camped out in the same unit for years needs to go if selected for a Senior position.

Response by 1SG Dale Cantrell made Oct 13 at 2018 12:02 AM

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No, that is not a reasonable request, this would help with professional development

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 13 at 2018 1:49 AM

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I’ve had a few buddies that made e5 within our platoon. I specifically did my best never to put pressure on them to choose between our friendship and the job. True buddies will support one another and not try to take advantage of the friendship. I would say shifting squads or maybe even a company may help. I dunno about having to go to a completely new unit though. Me and my buddy since basic were essentially up for the same spot but he got it because they thought I was getting out and he was staying in (turned out tk be the reverse), but none the less he became my squad leader. He gave me the respect as a knowledgeable long time peer and I never questioned him infront of our lower guys. If we really needed to discuss something, we did it in private.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 13 at 2018 2:59 AM

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I went from Pvt to Sgt in the same unit absolutely no issues.

Response by SMSgt Barney Brown made Oct 13 at 2018 7:59 AM

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Why? Do the damm job or get out. By then you should have a backbone.

Response by SPC Scott Weber made Oct 13 at 2018 9:12 AM

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If your doing your job right you where the senior spc in your job so the others in that platoon already know your knowlage and skill. They may push your buttons but your senior NCO's should be there to help along with your spc and below buddy's. Just keep your cool and you will be ok.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 13 at 2018 10:00 AM

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In the 82nd it was a common practice to move newly promoted E5 to a different company within the battalion.
They changed to a different platoon within the company because we were losing good guys.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 13 at 2018 10:34 AM

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Stay with the same unit is it very good learning experience one way you can really learn leadership if you have people following you that already respect you that was how I always looked at

Response by SSG Steven Gotz made Oct 13 at 2018 11:58 AM

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I found that most people who get promoted are leaders at the lower rank, and the promotion is just an acknowledgement of what they were already doing. Not giving commands necessarily, but in helping others be better soldiers. My guys always supported me as I went from E4 to E5 and then to E6.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 13 at 2018 12:47 PM

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Why do you want to move units? Are you worried you can't do your job because you have friends there? That comes with being a NCO. I grew up with the unit I'm in, the fact that I know my soldiers as well as I do actually makes my job easier sometimes, my friends know that just because we are friends doesn't mean I'm not going to do my job. Once the uniform goes on, we aren't buddies, we are soldiers

Response by 1SG Mark Reed made Oct 13 at 2018 3:11 PM

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Hey consider it an honor, as a 1SG I want to keep my NCOs in my unit. If you have worked hard for your promotion, just continue your progression. You will most likely motivate those in your unit to improve their chances to get their promotion. If you are truly worthy of the promotion, your fellow soldiers will respect your advancement.

Response by SGT Mark Rhodes made Oct 13 at 2018 4:39 PM

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I went from Spc to SGT in the same unit as at first it was a challenge but you really learn to respect yourself as a leader more when you are able to lead your friends and section in a Military manner.

Response by SGT Rob Baker made Oct 13 at 2018 7:12 PM

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When I was promoted to Sgt we stayed in the same Company but moved to a different platoon. Only if all the slots were full is when you were transferred to a different company

Response by SSgt Michael Bowen made Oct 14 at 2018 6:08 PM

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When you become a SGT Be A SGT There is No Real reason to change units If your Buddies don't get it They weren't your Buddies in the First place . I am sure they know what a SGT's job and responsibilities are As do you that's why you were Entrusted with the rank and it's Responsibilities just do your job and you will be fine. Anyone that tries to use your past friendship to manipulate you ( Why are you telling me to do it I thought we were friends ) Is the problem and not being a true friend nor a very good soldier Learn to stop it or it will continue and compromise your leadership .

Response by SFC Larry Jones made Oct 21 at 2018 11:19 PM

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If you assert yourself and let it be known that you are now in charge and no longer just one of the guys, there may be some resentment, but the transition should be fairly smooth. In some cases, reassignment may be wise.

Response by SSG Clint C made Nov 4 at 2018 10:36 PM

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That is the decision that you will have to make yourself, but think about this. If you was to change unit because you when from PVT to SGT in that unit and you don't want to ruffle any feathers, then you are actually missing a chance to gain experience that every SGT has to go through to develop their leadership skill with the unit you are in right now. You only again experience by staying, as having to prove yourself to the new unit and soldiers of your worth.

Response by SPC Greg Campbell made Nov 9 at 2018 4:54 PM

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promoted to the dark side your friends will respect the rank on your collar and not throw you under the bus.

Response by SFC Casey O'Mally made Nov 9 at 2018 4:54 PM

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Sure. You can request it. You can also request for a PCS 6 months after arriving at a new duty station. Doesn't mean the request has to be granted.
Hopefully, even before you pinned those hard stripes you were showing some level of leadership and initiative. Hopefully the Soldiers around you were giving you some level of respect for said leadership. That shouldn't magically change. And neither should you. Pinning on those hard stripes doesn't make you a leader, they should just (hopefully) be an outward sign to others of the leader that you already are.
If you (and your buddies) remain professional, there is no NEED to change units. But you can request, and if the Command has the capability and inclination, they may even grant it. But in most cases, you can grow more as a leader AND a person by staying right where you are.

Response by SGT Shawn Treasure made Nov 14 at 2018 8:15 AM

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I stayed with the same company, platoon and squad....that is how you learn.

Response by 1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 14 at 2018 11:41 AM

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E-2 to E-7 in the same unit (reserve, and will likely rotate out to another unit sooner than later as a result. My MOS has billets up to E-8 at the company level). No issues. Maintain the proper professional relationship with all, enforce discipline, do not tolerate fraternization and stamp it out when observed. Avoid compromising circumstances off duty. Age and TIS notwithstanding, rank takes precedence to maintain good order and discipline. Use good judgment, and all will be fine. Semper Fi!

Response by PO1 Michael Turnbeaugh made Nov 19 at 2018 7:01 PM

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I never saw a reason for someone to be transferred because of promotion unless it was to SNCO or officer. The only time I ever saw a big difference was when I went from SA (E-2) to PO3 (E-4 and NCO in the Navy) but that was just when I completed training and moved into transient status. I never had any issues with promotions after that. I had several people working for me at one command that went from E-1 to E-5 and they never had problems either. I think it's a matter of proper training for the transition. Particularly with the Army's WLC, there shouldn't be any issue at all.

Response by MSG Thomas Currie made Nov 25 at 2018 11:01 PM

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You can REQUEST anything -- but the chances of the request being approved are very slim.

Transferring someone who gets promoted to SGT simply makes too much sense for the US Army to adopt it as a general policy or even as a common practice. There are other countries where a transfer when one moves from Other Ranks to Non-Commissioned Officer is routine normal procedure but it rarely happens in the US Army.

Look at it from the commander's point of view -- if the soldier was good enough to be recommended for promotion and then promoted, that soldier is obviously an asset that the commander has no desire to lose. Yes, it would be better for the soldier and better for the Army, but commanders are NOT evaluated on what they do for their soldiers or for the Army - Commanders are evaluated on what their unit does for their immediate boss.

And, to be blunt, that demarcation between SPC and SGT is not a bright sharp distinction in most US Army units. Becoming a SGT gets the soldier removed from one or two duty rosters and added to one or two other duty rosters, but if the soldier lives in the barracks, there is probably no change in quarters. Most soldiers promoted to SGT were already working in a SGT slot. If the new SGT is very lucky he or she may be working for someone has the skills and takes the time to provide mentoring, but in generally we do a pretty poor job of that for our young NCOs.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 26 at 2018 7:51 PM

2018-11-26T19:51:42-05:00

Congratulations!

You know have the professional privilege of delineating between friendship and professional relationships!

Remember, they are not your friends, they are your Soldiers!

Friendship warrants helping a brother in need, but leading them DEMANDS it.

You are now faced with making the HARD choices, whether that be helping the(your “friends”) by making them accountable for their own responsibilities, or even recommending UCMJ when they are wrong.

You need to make them understand that you can like them on a personal level, but that professionally you can dislike them. You will have to put your friendships aside to be impartial and unbiased across the board.

WECLOME TO THE LONELIEST RANK IN THE ARMY!

Response by PO1 Kevin Dougherty made Dec 24 at 2018 12:10 AM

2018-12-24T00:10:58-05:00

When I went from E-5 to E-6 I stayed in the same unit as there was an open billet for an ET-1 XPO. Generally speaking, at least in the USCG, they try to transfer you to a unit with an open billet at your new rank unless there is an open billet where you are.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 13 at 2019 8:35 AM

2019-02-13T08:35:38-05:00

Since a BN Commander/CSM can promote to E6, they can manage them as well. Ultimately the CSM will need to decide. I have seen it go both ways, the problem would be in the form of familiarity. You are now an NCO, they (your buddies) know you too well, and that could be a problem if sending someone into harm's way. As a New Leader, you need to separate yourself to some degree from the troops. "The Loneliness of Command"...You love your troopers, but someday you may have to send them into battle and you may lose some of them (even if you do everything right).

Response by MAJ Jimmy M. made Apr 29 at 2019 9:32 PM

2019-04-29T21:32:16-04:00

In general, it is recommended that you reassign someone when they become an NCO if you can. Many times, you don't have that option. It is a challenge for many people to go from being buddies to being their supervisor.

Response by SFC Byron Perry made Sep 17 at 2019 3:07 PM

2019-09-17T15:07:01-04:00

The unit SHOULD transfer you to a different unit, at the bare minimum a different platoon.

Response by SSG Joshua Johnson made Dec 13 at 2019 11:06 AM

2019-12-13T11:06:05-05:00

This is an atypical practice outside the military. If you get out at some point and go corporate, this experience can be a good thing.

Response by MAJ Fred Peterman made Mar 16 at 2020 3:47 AM

2020-03-16T03:47:22-04:00

Commissioned from E6 to 2LT in same unit as Medical Flight Nurse. Later joined Army Guard during Desert Storm. Retired as Major.

Response by CPT Don Kemp made Mar 23 at 2020 7:48 PM

2020-03-23T19:48:27-04:00

Two of us Spec 4’s were promoted to SGT E-5. One went from 2nd Platoon to 1st; I went to 3rd. I replaced a SGT who had been smoking dope with half his squad. I caught grief for a week until there was a major bust. About 60 (of 230) were immediately transferred.

Response by SSG George Holtje made Sep 9 at 2020 10:13 PM

2020-09-09T22:13:37-04:00

Request all you want.
Doesn't mean it will happen.

A lot of units move newly promoted NCOs to avoid GOB situations.
A lot don't and live in denial until an NCO gets his buddies fast tracked or gets busted fratrinizing.

Response by SFC Antoine Hines made Jun 25 at 2021 2:11 PM

2021-06-25T14:11:21-04:00

When I was promoted to Sgt/E5 I was moved to another company as that was the CSM's policy. It was and still is sound policy in my estimation.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 29 at 2021 11:23 PM

2021-08-29T23:23:13-04:00

In my thinking, when a person is Promoted in the Nat Guard, it is into a slot in a Unit that needs that person. Now if I remember correctly, when your filling out your paperwork to be considered for promotion, there is an area for not able to consider for promotion out past a certain Mileage. And you are placed on a Promotion List of eligible Persons. When a slot comes available, they take the first name at the top of the List and ask if that person will consider a promotion in that unit. A Yes or No question. If you take that promotion, i believe you are locked in for a certain period of time. Now i may be wrong, if I am maybe a S-1 type person can correct me and set it straight. Hopefully this will answer your question