When and why should you get dress mess?

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Aug 2017 08:26:45 -0400

At what time in your career should you get dress mess? Why? Is it worth it?

Response by SGT Joseph Gunderson made Aug 23 at 2017 8:30 AM

SGT Joseph Gunderson — Wed, 23 Aug 2017 08:30:27 -0400

I always wanted to get mine just to look snazzy at the balls and dining in/out. Sadly, the wife at the time wouldn't allow me to blow that much money on a uniform that I didn't need lol. I think it is definitely an investment that should probably be made by those in the grades of E9 and about O5 and above. Just a professionalism and distinction thing. Then again, I don't believe I've ever heard of anyone actually "needing" the uniform. It does look very nice during those kinds of functions though. Just my opinions here though, sir.

Response by SFC William Stephens made Aug 23 at 2017 8:38 AM

SFC William Stephens — Wed, 23 Aug 2017 08:38:08 -0400

I did 20 years and never bought MESS DRESS uniform I was SFC maybe If I would made 1SG or SGM but why waste the money and kiss ass because their not writing my paycheck.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 23 at 2017 9:24 AM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:24:21 -0400

I'm in a group on FB of Army officers where the prevailing wisdom is to buy them once you become a field grade officer, or if you're an aide. That might fly for active duty, and I'd suck up and deal if I were active duty, but for the Army Reserve (or the Guard), if you're TPU (M-Day to Guard personnel), it just doesn't pass the common sense test.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 23 at 2017 9:42 AM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:42:59 -0400

I would say when you make field grade. By that time you have decided to make this gig a career and you are now longer a JO so TNG no longer applies.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 23 at 2017 10:41 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Aug 2017 10:41:40 -0400

I've never been a huge fan of the mess dress uniforms. I guess if I made O-6 I could see getting them if I was at a super-formal event (think White House dinner or something). Personally I'm just not a huge fan of the uniform or of spending money unnecessarily.

Response by Maj John Bell made Aug 23 at 2017 11:00 AM

Maj John Bell — Wed, 23 Aug 2017 11:00:55 -0400

In the Marine Corps, it wasn't optional. As soon as you were selected for Major put in your papers or your order for Mess Dress.

Response by LTC Stephen C. made Aug 23 at 2017 11:41 AM

LTC Stephen C. — Wed, 23 Aug 2017 11:41:55 -0400

LTC Private RallyPoint Member, I agree with CW3 Private RallyPoint Member, that O-4s and above should have mess dress. However, I'm still involved in many guard/reserve functions, and most field grades wear mess dress. I even see many senior NCOs in mess dress. I show up in a tuxedo. That's just my experience, though.
I just happen to believe that whether active or guard/reserve, O-4s and above should wear mess dress.

Response by SSgt Holden M. made Aug 23 at 2017 2:41 PM

SSgt Holden M. — Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:41:53 -0400

I know for the Air Force officer's are required to have mess dress or at least that is what I was told by some air force officers and at different events officers had to wear mess dress where as enlisted could wear semi formal. With that being said I think enlisted starting at e-7 since they are senior nco's should have mess dress. Especially since they are more likely voluntold to attend events where that uniform is worn.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 23 at 2017 5:12 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Aug 2017 17:12:57 -0400

E9 or O4<.

Response by CSM William Payne made Aug 23 at 2017 6:11 PM

CSM William Payne — Wed, 23 Aug 2017 18:11:39 -0400

I purchased mine when I made Command Sergeant Major. I don't think I would have bought them otherwise.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 23 at 2017 8:33 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Aug 2017 20:33:24 -0400

Damn, looks like they should have bagpipes along with it marching in parade or something. I hated dress uniforms. I will just keep my BDU's and ACU's.

Response by CPT Jim Schwebach made Aug 23 at 2017 9:02 PM

CPT Jim Schwebach — Wed, 23 Aug 2017 21:02:39 -0400

Had a set of mess blues made while on leave in Hong Kong in '68. Just too good a deal to pass up. My next assignment was the 82d where I had occasion to wear mess dress twice. The best part of the uniform was that, even though I was only a lowly captain, everyone not from my unit addressed me as "major."

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 23 at 2017 10:06 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Aug 2017 22:06:38 -0400

I never bought a mess dress simply because they are a complete waste of money. Another SNCO once advised me to get one. My response was "I'll get a mess dress as soon as they issue me one."

Response by PO1 Michael G. made Aug 23 at 2017 10:38 PM

PO1 Michael G. — Wed, 23 Aug 2017 22:38:59 -0400

So, I don't have it (yet, maybe). But my dad, a retired Command Master Chief, has both the blue and white jackets for mess dress. My mother likes to tell the story of when he first bought it. It was I the early 90s and we were stationed at NAS Alameda and my dad had just made Master Chief. My mom had won a raffle for the Navy Ball in San Francisco. I'm not sure, but I think it was held at the Fairmont Hotel in San Fran, and was going to be very fancy (COMPACFLT was the guest of honor, I think). Anyway, my mom decided she was going to pull out all the stops; new dress and didn't care of it was on sale, hair, nails, makeup, etc. Spent quite a lot.

My dad still spent more on his mess dress blues.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 23 at 2017 11:14 PM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Aug 2017 23:14:12 -0400

My wife wanted me in the Navy's Formal Dress (mess dress/dinner dress blues, but with a white bowtie and white waistcoat instead of the black bowtie and gold cummerbund) when we got married. I managed to find a set in my size on eBay (I think it was near Halloween, actually) from a CDR who was retiring. Good condition, my size, cheap ($65, I think). So if you're looking for the most expensive items, eBay around halloween (when people are dumping costumes) is a good place.
And when the wife says "I want this for the wedding..." yeah, I got the dress mess.

Response by SFC Joseph Weber made Aug 23 at 2017 11:33 PM

SFC Joseph Weber — Wed, 23 Aug 2017 23:33:05 -0400

Who are those guys? That's pretty cool that if you shave your head you can wear your hair on your shoulder.

Response by GySgt John O'Donnell made Aug 24 at 2017 12:27 AM

GySgt John O'Donnell — Thu, 24 Aug 2017 00:27:10 -0400

I brought my mess dress while on recruiting duty because I was in dress blues 70% of the time and wanted them for special functions. I have worn them at least one a year since. I have never regretted the purchase.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 24 at 2017 12:48 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 24 Aug 2017 00:48:37 -0400

Maybe when I make NCO but I doubt it, I imagine I'd have to pay for it myself. We do have regular dress functions even in the Guard, especially if you're at HQ and some people do have their mess uniform but most just wear their regular dress blues.

Response by LtCol George Carlson made Aug 24 at 2017 2:01 AM

LtCol George Carlson — Thu, 24 Aug 2017 02:01:05 -0400

Gee, I'm just a Marine, and we have clear regs on who must. What was the question again? This isn't kindergarten free choice time.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 24 at 2017 2:13 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 24 Aug 2017 02:13:32 -0400

I have only seen the mess dress worn at military balls, and only by the Host Command Team. Everyone else would wear either social gathering style ASUs, or civilian equivalent

Response by LTC Russ Smith made Aug 24 at 2017 2:36 AM

LTC Russ Smith — Thu, 24 Aug 2017 02:36:18 -0400

This is an optional uniform. I liked wearing it because it took about ten pounds off me . . .

Response by CW3 George Fitzgerald made Aug 24 at 2017 4:29 AM

CW3 George Fitzgerald — Thu, 24 Aug 2017 04:29:15 -0400

I did for my daughter's wedding.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 24 at 2017 5:59 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 24 Aug 2017 05:59:25 -0400

I think it looks pretty ridiculous and don't plan on ever wasting money on it.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 24 at 2017 9:20 AM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 24 Aug 2017 09:20:12 -0400

Depends on the person/situation/branch of service. I know for the Navy it's required once you make O4, but I actually bought mine at O2. It was a situational thing. As a chaplain we do A LOT of functions. The situation that caused me to purchase the dinner dress white jacket (what we call our mess dress) was that I had a wedding, a dining out, and a change of command ceremony all within a few days of each other, and all calling for the service dress white uniform (SDW). Since I had to wear the SDW for the change of command I opted to purchase the dinner dress white jacket for the dining out. I just didn't trust making it through two events prior to the change of command without getting something on that glaring white uniform.

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 24 at 2017 2:26 PM

WO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 24 Aug 2017 14:26:37 -0400

To me, it's more of where you stand on etiquette than where you are in your career. I was married in evening mess blues, and to me, it was worth every penny. A proper black tie or white tie ensemble is very striking, and should be worn with confidence.

When an invitation calls for black tie, etiquette calls for more than a suit with a black tie. Black tie is a strict dress code which mandates a tuxedo with a black bow tie (absolutely not a four-in-hand tie). Tuxedo lapels are also different from suits, as they are not notched. If you are to attend a black tie affair, and would like to represent your service, or the event is of a military nature, the mess uniform corresponds to the tuxedo. If you are to attend a black tie affair, the ASU simply will not do; it would be poor etiquette. The Class A uniform corresponds to business attire. Although we wear a bow tie in the Dress Blues variation, I would venture to say it corresponds to cocktail or formal dinner attire, which by etiquette is a bit flashier than business attire, yet still lacks the formality of black tie. Only white tie (AKA: white tie with tails, or "full fig") is above black tie in formal evening wear. Corresponding to white tie with tails is the "evening mess" variation. As the most formal attire, it is extremely rare, essentially limited to presidential or royal galas. So, unless you opt to wear it for your wedding, it's unlikely you'll ever wear it. An advantage to the mess uniform, however, it's essentially black tie and white tie, in one purchase. Evening mess is not an expensive variation: only a tie, shirt, and vest. If you're attending someone else's wedding, remember it would be improper to outshine the happy couple. So, if you're likely to be the only one in uniform, it may seem peacockish, especially if you're not in the wedding party. On the other hand, when the other gentlemen look the same, your mess uniform will be distinguished, and will always outclass a rented tux.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 24 at 2017 6:59 PM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 24 Aug 2017 18:59:53 -0400

This is ancient history and Air Force, but, I had and wore my mess dress while still in OTS.

Response by Lt Col Paul Maxwell made Aug 24 at 2017 9:46 PM

Lt Col Paul Maxwell — Thu, 24 Aug 2017 21:46:17 -0400

Bought my Army Mess Dress on entry to AD, we were inspected on it at one pooint. NO REGRETS. WHen I transferred to AF... BOUGHT AF DRESS uni within first 18 months. Sold the ARMY MESS to a Major friend in Army Guard. Got plenty of use over the years. Sorry to hear all the folks here that didn't seem to have much military social interaction and events.

Response by SFC Francisco Rosario made Aug 25 at 2017 12:30 AM

SFC Francisco Rosario — Fri, 25 Aug 2017 00:30:26 -0400

I was a SFC in the US Army when I purchased the Dress Mess uniform. I did it because I truly believe that if you are a Senior NCO then you should not attend any ball or formal function in your Class A uniform with a bow tie. In my opinion that is not what a Senior NCO should do, that is what the lower enlisted do because they don’t have the money. But at the Senior levels it should be required, just like in the US Navy. Once an NCO gets promoted to Chief, they are expected to have such uniforms.

Response by LTC Jason Mackay made Aug 26 at 2017 7:27 PM

LTC Jason Mackay — Sat, 26 Aug 2017 19:27:22 -0400

When you become a field grade. You are now committed to the Army profession. This uniform is part of that commitment.

Where? If you go to Korea, economic incentive to get one made that will fit you forever. If you go to Leavenworth and you are near Marlow White. Great opportunity to have it fitted in person.

Response by SFC Maitland McKenzie made Sep 19 at 2017 6:44 PM

SFC Maitland McKenzie — Tue, 19 Sep 2017 18:44:08 -0400

I bought mine after ten years of service, knowing that I was going to make this a career. I was glad I did as it set me apart from my peers and it was a statement to my superiors on the Officer side of the house, that I was here for the long haul and not just a temporary placeholder. It was also a joy to take when my wife and I went on a couple of cruises for the formal nights.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 17 at 2018 6:40 PM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Jan 2018 18:40:18 -0500

I am a Sgt in the National Guard. But I spend my formative years in the Marines. There you have to be a ssgt or higher to have them. From what I have gathered you have to be an NCO in the Army. I think they’re sharp, always wanted a set. Gonna get myself this uniform later this year.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 17 at 2018 7:20 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Jan 2018 19:20:03 -0500

When I was active duty back in the early 80s, it was sort of an unwritten expectation for E6 and above to have evening mess dress. I would like to get my hands on a 44L evening dress jacket if the price is reasonable.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 17 at 2018 10:31 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Jan 2018 22:31:29 -0500

If, and I mean IF I ever make Chief (NAVY E7), I might spend the money on the mess dress. Until then, there is too much tradition with our service dress blues to go to any function not wearing them. There are 5 services, we all have our own traditions and standards. We follow the standards and regulations of our respective services and should respect those of the others, including the uniforms we wear. Just because I choose not to spend over $1k to get a uniform I might wear once or twice in my ENTIRE career should not make me seem like I am a low life SNCO. On top of that, as a reservist, my drill pay, even as an E6 with over 16 years and NO uniform allotment does not afford me the ability to even spend that kind of money on a uniform that I will never be required to wear.

Response by SGT Tony Clifford made Jan 18 at 2018 2:43 PM

SGT Tony Clifford — Thu, 18 Jan 2018 14:43:10 -0500

Sir, back in the 14th EN, the only person who wore the dress mess was the BC. Most officers and NCOs had dress blues. After the adoption of the ASU nobody had dress blues. You're a field grade officer so it's not unusual for you to have a dress mess.

Response by SFC Charles Kauffman made Jan 18 at 2018 4:27 PM

SFC Charles Kauffman — Thu, 18 Jan 2018 16:27:42 -0500

When you occupy a 1SG, SGM, or CSM billet, you may have obtain a set. It's not about "kissing ass", it's about satisfying your Commander's request to attend a function and setting an example.
Military courtesy dictates that a Commander's "I wish you to" means the same thing as "I order you to".

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 18 at 2018 5:29 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 18 Jan 2018 17:29:37 -0500

If I get picked up for O-4 I will get a set. Otherwise, I'm still waiting to see if I'm going to have to buy pinks and greens.

Response by COL Brad Welch made Jan 18 at 2018 7:19 PM

COL Brad Welch — Thu, 18 Jan 2018 19:19:18 -0500

It reminds me of the old Hallmark card commercial. "When you care enough to send the very best." As a FG officer, TPU, M day, AGR, or AD, you should buy it and wear it with pride. It is the tuxedo of uniforms and there are occasions that warrant it's wear.

Consider if a father wore a business suit to his daughter's very formal wedding. That shows just how much you care. Many times I felt out of place with pin on rank instead of spending the extra money for embroidered, but that is another story.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Jan 18 at 2018 8:32 PM

SGM Bill Frazer — Thu, 18 Jan 2018 20:32:51 -0500

Do you mean that as an O-4, you have yet to have to make your manners at a totally formal affair? Lucky you,

Response by MSgt Rob Weston made Jan 19 at 2018 8:48 AM

MSgt Rob Weston — Fri, 19 Jan 2018 08:48:25 -0500

I believe any SNCO or Officer should have a Mess Dress Uniform for all formal settings both official military and personal (where appropriate). For many it is a sign of great pride in ones self and ones career. Additionally, I see it as a great way to represent our services in personal formal environments such as a wedding (as a groom or groomsman) or other black tie events. My only drawback or disappointment is that unlike the USMC the other branches do not have a fancy stylized rank for the SNCOs and would use the the same rank emblem that are used for the service coat.

Response by Sgt John Dade made Jan 19 at 2018 2:21 PM

Sgt John Dade — Fri, 19 Jan 2018 14:21:59 -0500

When you make Ssgt and your in a billet that has you doing formal functions

Response by CWO4 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2018 8:04 PM

CWO4 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 19 Jan 2018 20:04:05 -0500

Yes, it is worth having. Once you have achieved a more senior position in your organization, it is important to look the part. I sometimes have reason to wear mine two or three times a year.

Response by PO1 Andrew Jillard made Jan 19 at 2018 11:56 PM

PO1 Andrew Jillard — Fri, 19 Jan 2018 23:56:45 -0500

I purchased the Mess Dress to attend the Navy/Marine Corp Ball at NAB Little Creek. Went for 3 years in a row, wore it at an Armed Forces Ball in Amarillo. I definitely got my money's worth.

Response by SSG David Reiter made Jan 20 at 2018 1:27 AM

SSG David Reiter — Sat, 20 Jan 2018 01:27:39 -0500

I got mine for free. Being NCO of the year for Fort Richardson gets you the uniform. I was a Sergeant E-5, never wore them to an event before getting out. I feel like keeping it, but it f I was desperate could sell it.

Response by SSG John Mitchell made Jan 20 at 2018 10:55 AM

SSG John Mitchell — Sat, 20 Jan 2018 10:55:12 -0500

I think it comes down to USEFULNESS. It's the same as a Tux. would be as a Civilian, except you can't rent a Mess Dress. If you attend a lot of functions that require it, bite the bullit. Lower Enlisted & even MOST Junior NCOs don't attend functions that fancy. In 12 years I only went to one as a SPC & the only reason I was there because I was Tops Aid, for lack of a better term. Just my 2 cents.

Response by MAJ Daniel Flynn made Jan 20 at 2018 11:11 AM

MAJ Daniel Flynn — Sat, 20 Jan 2018 11:11:20 -0500

Buy them in Korea. Supposedly there's a difference in the quality of the thread but as often as you wear them, it shouldn't make a difference.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Jan 20 at 2018 11:16 AM

SGM Erik Marquez — Sat, 20 Jan 2018 11:16:04 -0500

Unless your in a special assignment where it will be called out as the appropriate uniform, there really is no "need"
If there is a want, go for it....But most enlisted will never had a Need, and Id bet only moderate amount of officers have a true Need, but Id defer to them

Response by SMSgt Thomas Chatburn made Jan 20 at 2018 3:07 PM

SMSgt Thomas Chatburn — Sat, 20 Jan 2018 15:07:26 -0500

You'd better have it if you're a SNCO!

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2018 6:11 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 20 Jan 2018 18:11:21 -0500

Matter of opinion, need, and financial resources.

Response by A1C Alan Wilbar made Jan 20 at 2018 6:26 PM

A1C Alan Wilbar — Sat, 20 Jan 2018 18:26:43 -0500

It's interesting, over the years I've noticed mess dress uniform components and accoutrements at different base thrift store, of all places, for reasonable prices. Worth a recon!

Response by SFC Deb N Bob Spruill made Jan 20 at 2018 9:39 PM

SFC Deb N Bob Spruill — Sat, 20 Jan 2018 21:39:42 -0500

When you feel like getting “messy”! Lol

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2018 10:19 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 20 Jan 2018 22:19:17 -0500

I purchased mine after completing NCO academy, k owing I would be promoted to a senior NCO shortly. I wear it several times per year. I feel it makes you stand out from other NCOs and junior enlisted. I always get "Oh, you have mess dress?!"

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2018 12:42 AM

GySgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 21 Jan 2018 00:42:58 -0500

You should follow the rules and regulations set forth by your branche's regualtions. Anything additional to that? Well, There better question is why are there additional "social acceptances" beyond what our Commanders have required? IF there is such a thing that could paint you in a negative light for not wearing something specifically detailed as required- the better question is...why? Now, I'm not by any stretch saying I'm not naive to the nature of the question, I myself have gone "above and beyond" to fit into my branches own accepted social norms. My beef is with the question itself. IF it's deemed "unsavory" to show up in the legally acceptable uniform of the day, but that particular uniform is "socially unacceptable" I'm not quite sure of the "Commander's Intent" who issued the original order to begin with. In other words, if it's "bad" to show up in the "bare minimum" why not change the rule? Oh, I get it...I think...Perhaps we need to provide the opportunity for others to shine by taking the "initiative". Forgive me. That sounds a lot like politics. Serve your country the best you can by following the rules and regulations set forth. The military was not meant to be Socrates Philosophical Arm, it was meant to fight foreign disputes and protect the American People. If our leaders frown upon the uniforms they told us to wear- change it- and we will comply. Personal opinion need not apply.

Response by SFC James Beason made Jan 21 at 2018 7:03 AM

SFC James Beason — Sun, 21 Jan 2018 07:03:55 -0500

Never got it, never needed it

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2018 8:28 AM

CW4 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 21 Jan 2018 08:28:16 -0500

I would say field grade is the right time.

Response by LTC Anthony Broussard made Jan 21 at 2018 8:53 AM

LTC Anthony Broussard — Sun, 21 Jan 2018 08:53:25 -0500

Bought my first Mess Blues as a brand new Regular Army 2LT in the Frankfurt FRG AAFES for half price after the Infantry Officer who fitted for it never picked it up. Right Branch colors, perfect fit, couldn't pass up the deal! I wore it to every evening formal. Definitely made an impression on my peers and senior officers. I even got married in it. I got my monies worth out of it!

Response by SFC Dennis A. made Jan 21 at 2018 9:24 AM

SFC Dennis A. — Sun, 21 Jan 2018 09:24:05 -0500

I always liked the look of the uniforms but since they weren't a required uniform, with a young family I was never able to fit it into the budget.

Response by PV2 Carlos Molano made Jan 21 at 2018 3:23 PM

PV2 Carlos Molano — Sun, 21 Jan 2018 15:23:11 -0500

what for the 40s and 50s have come and gone.

Response by SPC Eric Zimmerer made Jan 21 at 2018 4:03 PM

SPC Eric Zimmerer — Sun, 21 Jan 2018 16:03:28 -0500

I bought mine too get married in

Response by SPC Eric Zimmerer made Jan 21 at 2018 4:19 PM

SPC Eric Zimmerer — Sun, 21 Jan 2018 16:19:14 -0500

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2018 4:45 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 21 Jan 2018 16:45:08 -0500

I don't own one but I always said I would get one after I got a little bit more established. I'm big on etiquette and evening dress attire. Especially black tie.

Response by SGM Brent Dck made Jan 21 at 2018 5:17 PM

SGM Brent Dck — Sun, 21 Jan 2018 17:17:21 -0500

I'd say only buy them if you want to wear them and can afford them. I retired a few years ago after 22 Years of active duty as an SGM and only wore dress greens or blues. I wasn't promoted on owning or not owning a pair of Dress Mess, I'd say it was because I worked my butt off for the Soldiers and Officers I served. If I saw anyone wearing dress mess, I figured they're just trying to cheese up to the big wigs. Just my opinion, not based on Army Regulation.

Response by CSM John Pepper made Jan 21 at 2018 7:44 PM

CSM John Pepper — Sun, 21 Jan 2018 19:44:13 -0500

Never. Even when I was stationed in DC I never had Dress Mess . . . . waste of $$$ for once a year you might wear it. Blues were sufficient.

Response by CAPT Hiram Patterson made Jan 21 at 2018 9:27 PM

CAPT Hiram Patterson — Sun, 21 Jan 2018 21:27:14 -0500

When I was a Navy O-4 I bought a mess dress uniform and a sword even though they were optional. Much better than than the tight fighting, high collar "choker whites."

Response by Cpl Bill Johnson made Jan 21 at 2018 10:39 PM

Cpl Bill Johnson — Sun, 21 Jan 2018 22:39:19 -0500

I suppose the only relevant question is this: do you get invited to enough events to make the purchase with your money?

Response by 1SG Dan Nichols made Jan 22 at 2018 12:10 AM

1SG Dan Nichols — Mon, 22 Jan 2018 00:10:33 -0500

I never bought dress mess but had dress blues before they became a duty uniform. Thought they looked outstanding and wore them to dining ins and dinning outs. It's our version of the Marine Corps dress blues. If you have pride in your branch show it by looking sharp. If not wear your digital.

Response by MCPO Rick Harris made Jan 22 at 2018 12:35 AM

MCPO Rick Harris — Mon, 22 Jan 2018 00:35:23 -0500

22 years of service. Never bought dress mess and never would have if I had stayed longer...useless uniform unless you liked to show off. I retired as a Master Chief and can't recall anyone else having the uniform either.

Response by SSG Darrell Peters made Jan 22 at 2018 12:47 AM

SSG Darrell Peters — Mon, 22 Jan 2018 00:47:57 -0500

As my father a 21 year Veteran of the U.S. Army put it. "Their is not one uniform in the U.S. Army that cannot be issued." If the U.S. Army deems it necessary for me to have a Mess Dress Uniform then they can issue it." The price of the thing was astronomical the gold braid alone if my dad had bought one was terribly expensive.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2018 6:54 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 Jan 2018 06:54:26 -0500

Bought mine too get married in as a 1LT and wore it for the next twenty five years. Best money I ever spent on a uniform, much more comfortable than the ASU, far "sexier" looking and sends a message that you're serious about your career. I wore it as my "tux" for civilian events and really got my money's worth. The only reason I gave it up in retirement is that the little chain that votes it has gone from about two inches to sufficient length to anchor a carrier (in deep water). An officer should buy it by the time he makes CPT if he's serious about his career, NCOs should seriously consider it by SFC and warrants by CW3. They last forever, are easy to set up (though a little expensive) and once you have all the parts not too expensive to maintain.

Response by CW3 Doyle Frost made Jan 22 at 2018 9:30 AM

CW3 Doyle Frost — Mon, 22 Jan 2018 09:30:24 -0500

Only one time, (in 23 1/2 years service,) did a senior officer have a formal "Dining In" where he wanted all officers and senior NCO's to have the "Mess Dress" uniform. Problem being, this was during the middle of a field training cycle for us. One of our NCO's went and spent the money to buy it, and he and the battalion commander were the only people at that dinner wearing that uniform. to top it off, that NCO had a pal in the BN HQ that knew this was coming down, so he had the advanced warning to go and buy the uniform, arrange to get all the appropriate medals, arrange for fittings, and get the okay from pal as to the appearance and fit of that uniform. Nobody else had the time to waste on this "show off"debacle. Luckily for us, the BN CO caught on, and changed the dress requirement for the rest of us. As it was, we all had to drive 300 miles to collect our Class A's, which we normally did not carry with us on field trips.

Response by PO2 Hank Kaczmarek made Jan 22 at 2018 1:10 PM

PO2 Hank Kaczmarek — Mon, 22 Jan 2018 13:10:22 -0500

Never rose up high enough in the ranks (USN) to need them. I do have a set of Marine Corps League dress Mess, hand tailored at the Marine Shop in Quantico. No longer available. but the dress blue trou and jacket cost over 500.00. Only wear it a couple times a year but looks great.

Response by HN Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2018 1:32 PM

HN Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 Jan 2018 13:32:18 -0500

I'm a reservist, and anyone else who's also one shouldn't waste the money. Now, I'm also a musician and have worked with other branch musicians for some functions, including formal events, and I see them in their dress mess a lot. However, since I'm an HM and not an MU, plus I'm getting out soon, I never got one. Still, that Navy dinner jacket is fucking smokin...but not worth the $260 price tag for an E-3

Response by MCPO Mark Burns made Jan 30 at 2018 7:19 PM

MCPO Mark Burns — Tue, 30 Jan 2018 19:19:06 -0500

Being a navy. If it wasn't issued as standard uniform. I didn't buy it.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 31 at 2018 10:00 PM

Maj Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 31 Jan 2018 22:00:37 -0500

I bought mine one piece at a time on eBay for under $100, while still a cadet. If youre going to buy it eventually (at a certain rank), just buy it earlier and get the maximum number of uses out of it!

Response by SSG Guy Gould made Feb 3 at 2018 5:54 PM

SSG Guy Gould — Sat, 03 Feb 2018 17:54:50 -0500

It seems that the term dress blues and dress mess are being confused . Dress blues are not Dress Mess. Dress Whites are Dress Mess. I have only ever seen dress whites be worn to a formal event once by a major who did it because he had them and they were authorized. He stood out from the crowd like a sore thumb and that's why he wore them. Dress blues are a completely different uniform. They can be required for an event by a unit commander. However, they are not required by any regulation.

Response by LCDR Arthur Whittum made Feb 3 at 2018 9:17 PM

LCDR Arthur Whittum — Sat, 03 Feb 2018 21:17:49 -0500

As a Coast Guard LT, I purchased a used mess dress. Then only had the opportunity to wear it once at a "Mess Night" function. Spent two years on board ship with 90 days in port the first year. Zip time for parties - we were spared most of the obligatory functions for JO's at our home port. Then two years at a unit that only had 3 officers. All the parties there were informal. Gave it away when I made O4. As an LCDR, I spent two years at CGHQ and never had to attend any ritzy functions - so dodged the bullet again., Then retired (was enlisted or warrant for the first 12 years of service).

Response by SSG Steven Lemon made Feb 5 at 2018 6:24 AM

SSG Steven Lemon — Mon, 05 Feb 2018 06:24:30 -0500

I didn't get senior enough (SSG), so I have no idea what a dress mess uniform is.

Response by MSgt Mike (Lobo VNV Original) Morrow made Feb 7 at 2018 1:23 PM

MSgt Mike (Lobo VNV Original) Morrow — Wed, 07 Feb 2018 13:23:16 -0500

I was an E6 when I purchased the AF mess dress. I did this because we were having a Dining-in and my fellow shop chiefs had mentioned that they were wearing the mess dress. I wore them about once a year for eight years after that.

Response by PO1 Kevin Dougherty made Mar 2 at 2018 12:16 AM

PO1 Kevin Dougherty — Fri, 02 Mar 2018 00:16:11 -0500

Not sure we even had them for enlisted in the USCG. Maybe Senior Officer and HQ types. But most of our units were way too small for balls etc. Heck the biggest unit outside of TAD for training was 87 officers and enlisted. Average size for the units I was at would be between 15 and 20.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2018 5:09 PM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Apr 2018 17:09:22 -0400

I purchased Mess Dress when I made Chief. I wear it two or three times per year and have never regretted the purchase. I feel senior NCOs should make the purchase but I also feel like more units should involve their members in formal functions. There are lots of great lessons learned for junior members going to theses formal affairs and conducting them selves with proper bearing and manners. It’s another aspect of life we senior members can impart on junior members.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2018 12:08 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Apr 2018 12:08:24 -0400

BN Command Leadership and higher.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2018 9:46 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Apr 2018 21:46:46 -0400

I got mine as a SSgt. That was when I had finally replaced all my BMT issued uniform items with ones that were actually comfortable as well as purchased any additional optional items I wanted for my ABUs & blues. The next purchase with my annual clothing allowance was mess dress. I liked to attend official functions & I always thought it looked better. It's also WAY more comfortable! YES, it was worth it.
To answer the question, I agree with others that say SNCO at the latest. It depends on career field & if you have any kind of hi vis roles though too (ALS instructor, emcee, proffer, etc.). There are plenty of maintainers who did 20 & were proud to have never owned mess dress. To each their own.

Response by SSgt Jason Schulz made Apr 12 at 2018 11:51 AM

SSgt Jason Schulz — Thu, 12 Apr 2018 11:51:12 -0400

When I got married twenty-plus years ago, my wife wanted me to have a tuxedo, tails, and the whole nine yards. I wanted to wear my uniform--I had just enlisted in the MI ANG and was going to finish my initial tech school three weeks before the wedding. She compromised by letting me wear an Air Force Mess Dress uniform. (As an aside, the Groom's side of the wedding party had two AF Mess Dress, two Army Class A's, and three civilians in tuxedos. My Best Man was in the same unit I was in, and he had a Mess Dress. The two Army guys were Reservists, but didn't have theirs.)

I wore my Mess Dress twelve times while I was in the service. Since then, it's hung in the closet.

Response by LTC Trent Klug made Dec 2 at 2018 6:46 PM

LTC Trent Klug — Sun, 02 Dec 2018 18:46:12 -0500

I bought mine as a 1LT. Most of my peers in the Guard didn't get them until they were senior Captains or when they were promoted to Major.

Response by MSG John Duchesneau made Dec 7 at 2018 2:01 AM

MSG John Duchesneau — Fri, 07 Dec 2018 02:01:44 -0500

Just my opinion -
When?
Officers - when a Captain (O-3) or W2 decides he/she is going to make a career of the Army.
NCOs - when a SFC (E-7) decides he/she likes looking more distinctive than other NCOs and/or wants to show off more.
Lower ranks - only if they are "highly motivated" and like wearing formal wear.

Why?
Considering that 95 percent of the Army wears ACUs 95 percent or more of the time, formal wear is not on the radar for probably 80 percent or more of Army personnel. For those who enjoy looking sharp and attending formal events its a great way of drawing attention to themselves. Like many things in life - you either get it or you don't.

Is it worth it?
This is strictly a matter of personal opinion. The current rate for the Marlow White Blue Mess officer package is $629.00. (Or about 1% of the annual take home pay of a senior Captain.) If you have it for 10 years and wear it 3 times a year (military ball, branch awards night like St. Barbara's and a dining in) that's 30 wearings or, about 21 dollars a wearing. Is it worth 21 dollars to look great? Some will say yes and some will say no.

BTW - since we are on the topic of mess uniforms - Mess uniforms should NOT be worn at weddings! Mess uniforms are evening wear for dinners and the like. Weddings are daytime affairs when the full dress uniform with full sized medals and straight tie (not a bow tie) should be worn.

Response by SSG David Curran made Feb 12 at 2019 3:40 PM

SSG David Curran — Tue, 12 Feb 2019 15:40:31 -0500

I purchased mine when I made SSG and got my second set of spurs.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made May 20 at 2019 11:48 PM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 20 May 2019 23:48:16 -0400

I purchased my mess dress at E-4. I actually went to the exchange to purchase a white semi-formal shirt and decided just to get the mess dress instead. It wasn't that expensive at about $400. I have never regretted it. It looks way better and is far more comfortable. Plus, I don't have to worry about getting it cleaned the next morning just in case something happens that requires wear of the service dress. In hindsight, it was a great time to buy it as I have more bills now to worry about than I did as an Airman.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made May 21 at 2019 12:08 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 May 2019 00:08:12 -0400

I think that's dresses nice to have if you're in the Guard or Reserve, I think there you will really only needed if you make General Officer. I was given a gift of mess dress I wore it just a few times but even there I would have gotten by with just the dress blues.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 22 at 2019 11:25 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 22 May 2019 23:25:43 -0400

Does anyone know where I can purchase Army Female NCO Mess Dress beside Marlow White? They currently does not have my size in the skirt.

Response by SFC Melvin Brandenburg made Jul 12 at 2019 12:46 PM

SFC Melvin Brandenburg — Fri, 12 Jul 2019 12:46:30 -0400

I would say short of a ball they would be a waste of money

Response by MAJ Geiter Dunn made Jul 21 at 2019 7:51 PM

MAJ Geiter Dunn — Sun, 21 Jul 2019 19:51:37 -0400

Usually senior personnel buy one when their belly gets too large to properly fit in a Dress Blues.

Response by Sgt John Koliha made Jul 21 at 2019 8:05 PM

Sgt John Koliha — Sun, 21 Jul 2019 20:05:37 -0400

I was E-5 when I was retired. Twenty-eight years later, my son announced his engagement. The planning starts with what will mom wear, and sisters in the wedding party etc. Nothing about dad. I took out a copy of Leatherneck, opened it to the Marine Shop ad about uniforms for the Ball. I selected everything including a sword (and I think a cape). Wife got all worried that I would “out shine the bride on her special day.” Bride’s only comment was that I would be “splendiferous.” Strung the thing out for about six months before I told them I needed to be E-6. I still wonder if there might have been a way to pull this off.

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made Apr 23 at 2020 2:23 PM

SPC Steven Nihipali — Thu, 23 Apr 2020 14:23:10 -0400

I had 2 sets... both tuxes, Army Reserves/National Guard

Response by PO1 Lyndon Thomas made Jun 2 at 2021 9:41 AM

PO1 Lyndon Thomas — Wed, 02 Jun 2021 09:41:17 -0400

Gonna opt of this one Major. Not once in my 22 year career.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Jun 2 at 2021 12:48 PM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Wed, 02 Jun 2021 12:48:59 -0400

My personal thought process is after Making SFC for NCO's or MAJ for Officers...

Response by MAJ Ron Peery made Jun 2 at 2021 7:21 PM

MAJ Ron Peery — Wed, 02 Jun 2021 19:21:36 -0400

I had two sets of dress blues in 27 years. Wore them for Dining In/Dining Out and unit formals. Also for one date and for my wedding. From 2000 until I retired in 2008, I never wore Class A's of any kind. Now they are gathering dust in my closet. I suppose if you get sent to the Pentagon or some other such place, dress mess would be a necessary part of your wardrobe.