What would you do if a Senior NCO told you, you can't say HOOAH because he/she doesn't like it?

2014-08-22T15:57:01-04:00

Then tried to make you write a 5000 word essay on Customs and Courtesies on where does it say you can say HOOAH. Would you write it or fight for your writes to be able to say it?

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 22 at 2014 4:04 PM

2014-08-22T16:04:47-04:00

What, really... getting corrected? I still say it to this day from my enlisted days. Soldiers who salute me get thrown off, but they like it. They say "good morning, Sir" or something to that effect. I say "Airborne, Hooah" or "Hooah Sergeant".

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 22 at 2014 4:05 PM

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Well, I think it would be hard to write 5,000 words on this, but if he told you to do it, then I would suggest doing it. However, I might also include in there that the regulations don't prohibit me from saying it either. The thought process that if an Army Regulation doesn't specifically say you can do it, that you can't do it, is absurd.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 22 at 2014 4:09 PM

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Although he may be right about the word "Hooah" not being in the customs and courtesies, I think that writing a 5,000 word essay is a little too harsh.

If the senior NCO is serious about not wanting to hear that word, then the senior NCO should verbally warn the soldier for fair warning. If the soldier says Hooah again then he or she should get a counseling statement and so on.

This issue should've been covered in the soldiers initial cousenling to let him or her know what is expected. Getting a punishment before a fair warning is no good for the morale of any soldier.

Personally, I would not write that 5000 word essay. I would not even write a 500 word essay.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 22 at 2014 4:25 PM

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Enforcing Pet-Peeves as opposed to regulation? I can't get over the fact that I was taught the word at Basic, even prior to that, at reception

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 22 at 2014 6:24 PM

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Really? To me that seems like that SNCO doesn't have enough on their plate and should be talking with their cohorts and command for some more responsibility. But like SGT Private RallyPoint Member said: "This issue should've been covered in the soldiers initial cousenling to let him or her know what is expected. Getting a punishment before a fair warning is no good for the morale of any soldier." I get it it with the SNCO with pet peeves though; I can't stand the sound of a tin can being slid across a table, but I'm not going to make you write a paper about how it's faster to just pick up the can and move it as opposed to sliding.
If you're going to write the essay, which unfortunately, I suggest you should because you were given a task by your supervisor, go all out. Heck take quotes from Harry Potter. As Dumbledore mentioned about being afraid to say Voldemort's name give the man more power to incite fear.

Funny Story: While in basic my DS hated the word Hooah and forbid us from saying on day zero until after we left for AIT. As he put it, he had been fed up of stupid recruits saying it repeatedly and inappropriately ( I guess they were using it as some sort of Army "smurf"), and then not know its origin.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 23 at 2014 3:12 AM

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I think the Soldier should take it up with someone higher up for advice i dont believe there is anything in Customs and Courtesies or any other regulations on the word saying that word. I dont think that is a lawful order either to make someone write an essay because you dont like the word especially since it wasnt used in a derogatory manner. If it is a lawful order then i would say it is an unfair or unjust punishment. Its the Army and you have to deal with hearing that word even if you dont like it deal with it because you are going to hear it no matter what.

Corrective Action. Non-punitive actions used as a motivational tool by authorized cadre members (see 2.5a(3)) to immediately address deficiencies in performance or conduct and to reinforce required standards. By virtue of administering corrective action, there is recognition that the misconduct did not result from intentional or gross failure to comply with standards of military conduct. Corrective action is inappropriate for situations requiring additional training to master a specific level of skill proficiency, or in matters where punishment is administered as a result of Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) action.

Thats from TRADOC regulation 350-6. So i dont see any deficiency or misconduct from the Soldier saying HOOAH. I'll look for more information on the use of corrective action and post it when i find it.

Response by SFC Al Castillo made Aug 23 at 2014 8:58 PM

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As a 11B I will tell you this, I personally hate word Hooah. Hooah can mean anything, but given that it has tradition it is not my place to rewrite military conduct that does not detract from the appearance of good order and discipline.

So with regards to your scenario. I can definitely see a one sided (subjective) approach and opinion on the matter. I can also see the wrong in applying corrective training to satisfy one's person opinion or to correct personal distaste. The problem with issues like these is that they occur way too often.

What a lot of people fail to realize is that although publications concerning this matter are the MCM2012, Standards of Conduct: AR 600-50 which acknowledges "time honored traditions of the uniformed services", Customs and Courtesy: AR 600-25 which illustrates verbatim what a greeting is, and Command Policy: AR 600-20 which states that propper English is the operational language of the US Army...that you must simply use good judgement.

To correct a Soldier is to rectify a issue, not to redefine Army policy one would like. I would say, stick to your guns. We have a lot of unwritten "Time Honored Traditions". We loose more and more of these everyday, and although some one may not like it... more so a senior NCO, it is our CHARGE to put ourselves aside and to practice best judgement in favor of our Soldiers, unit, and country.

So which that: HOOAH Sergeant, find your first line leader or next above or equal to, and have them address the inequity for you.

Inequity, being that someone has applied self to a regulation or policy or has misinterpreted it to satisfy a personal opinion and is now punishing another by virtue of it.

Now I must ask, is this based on a true event? I would venture to think that there are more pressing issues needing to be addressed.

Response by LTC Paul Labrador made Aug 23 at 2014 9:19 PM

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I'd say Hooah and carry-on... ;o)

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 23 at 2014 9:45 PM

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SSG Private RallyPoint Member. Have you tried saying HOORAH instead? Warmest Regards, Sandy

Please see http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/7-21-13/chap4.htm

"'Hooah!' This informal but always understood sound is less a word than an audible affirmation of the warrior ethos. The soldier that utters that sound understands his task and will not quit until it is completed. That sound means soldiers are ready and willing to accomplish the mission at hand."

FM 7-21.13 Chapter 4, Customs, Courtesies, and Traditions

The Army is an organization that instills pride in its members because of its history, mission, capabilities, and the respect it has earned in the service of the Nation. A reflection of that pride is visible in the customs, courtesies, and traditions the Army holds. Adherence to them connects us with soldiers throughout America's history.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 23 at 2014 9:46 PM

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I'd shake their hand and say "Thank you .

I hate that word. The last two units that I've been in have banned its use and using the word was punishable by remedial PT.

Response by 1SG Mike Case made Aug 23 at 2014 9:55 PM

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In this scenario, the SNCO is enforcing a pet peeve and not a regulation. This is what is wrong with the military. With all the problems we have with suicides, sexual assaults, Soldiers failing to follow rules and regulations, and other major problems, we have people worried about walking on the grass and saying the word "hooah". We can all give you advice but we are not actually there. If you feel it is worth the fight, then there are channels to follow to fight it. Personally, I feel it is a waste of your time and that of the SNCO. Talk with your chain of command is the place to start. Hope it works out in your favor. It is things like this that makes Soldiers want to leave the military.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 23 at 2014 10:10 PM

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As a PSG at Ft. Bragg in the late 80s, I had a CSM who hated the word. There were only a select few of us in this battalion that was on Jump Status, and he was not Airborne qualified and when he went to Jump School (as a CSM) he did not get his Wings and never went back. He seemed to carry a bit of animosity toward those in the battalion who were on jump status. Right or Wrong.....I made it a point to my platoon that anytime they were addressed by the CSM, especially in formation, the appropriate platoon response was "Hooooooo-ah Sergeant Major". He did call me out on it in private, and I "Hooo-ah" my response. He ran me out of his office. Fortunately I had a very good Platoon of Soldiers and NCOs and it never came back to bite us in the ass. I will add, the Bn Cdr (on jump status) got a big kick out of it.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 23 at 2014 11:01 PM

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II'd be shocked for a split second and then I'd continue on because I stopped saying HOOAH in AIT. Once I got to my first duty station, I'd stop saying it all together

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 23 at 2014 11:35 PM

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Some good responses in here. All I have to add is that when I went through WOCS, they break you of all military short-hand responses. No "hooah" s, if you replied "roger" to something the would ask you who the hell is Roger and remind you that you are addressing a senior Officer. From the Officer's perspective, not formulating a calculated response, even if it is just "Yes/No, Sir/Ma'am" is inferring that you are not intelligent.
Again, nothing to add to the reems of responses you already have.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 24 at 2014 12:35 AM

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I normally don't use the word Hooah because personally I do not like it. I was raised from a young PV2 that Hooah means anything but no. So, if I am digging into a Soldier because he/she is eleven up, three down, and they start responding with, "Hooah, SSG," they could very well be saying "F*** you, SSG."

As a CBRN NCO, my personal pet peeve's are people incorrectly referring to CBRN equipment, IE calling it a Gas Mask and not a Pro Mask. Everyone has there -isms, and if Hooah happens to be that NCOs then I check, roger and drive on. Oh, no! I can't use a certain word? It is not worth the hassle.

Response by SSG Robert Burns made Aug 24 at 2014 1:34 AM

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That's what we have 1SG's for. Go see what your 1SG thinks about that.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 24 at 2014 10:33 AM

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I tell you what Sgt. I would continue to use the word and would write the paper that included HOOAH at least once in every sentence.

And to the NCOs who say that "hooah sgt" is the same as "f you sgt"......OH PLLLLLLLLEASE.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 24 at 2014 12:14 PM

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I wouldn't do it. The Senior NCO has no authority to distribute punishment in the first place. NCO's can only recommend and implement. A field grade officer has to be involved in punishment process. I always get the approval of my LT or commander before doing any "corrective training".
In todays environment the I.G. will eat you alive if a Soldier complains of harassment especially for something like saying "HOOAH".
Seems to me like you have an NCO who is bored and needs to focus on motivating and mentoring Soldiers.
or ask your Senior NCO for the I.G.s address so you know where to send it when your done...

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 24 at 2014 12:21 PM

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SGT Jamie Barrie, I hate the mustaches the Army lets Soldiers grow.. That doesn't mean I can punish a Soldiers for my personal likes and dislikes. I look at all my Soldiers as individuals and try to identify there individual likes and dislikes so I can find a way to motivate them into performing like a team. Its what we do as NCO's

Mentor them into a better Soldier for the Army not for you.

Response by SSG Trevor S. made Aug 24 at 2014 4:28 PM

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You could always write HOOAH 5000 times and turn it in. I'm sure the Commander would take into account tradition and hilarity if referred.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 24 at 2014 6:14 PM

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I hate the term myself but it's an Army thing now so I just leave it alone and still say things like Roger, check, tracking, etc...
When I came back in the Army I first heard this new Hooah phrase and it shocked me to death. I'm from New England and if you have ever heard someone with a deep Boston or New York accent call someone a whore you will understand, BLUF we drop our "R,s"

Response by MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca made Aug 24 at 2014 8:37 PM

2014-08-24T20:37:20-04:00

Join the Marines.

Seriously???

Response by LTC Paul Heinlein made Aug 24 at 2014 8:52 PM

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None of the Professional NCOs I have ever had the honor to serve with would ever do something so trivial. Those Professional NCOs were always more focused on taking care of their Soldiers and keeping them alive.

But hypothetically speaking, as an officer I would say there is nothing illegal (i.e. against regs, etc.), unethical, or immoral with me using the term Hooah. So, I will keep using it. But, out of respect for their position, I will try and limit my use of the word when they are around because it bothers them.

As a enlisted Soldier, I would say "Yes Sergeant., It won't happen again". And like every other enlisted person around, as soon as the Sergeant was not around, I would start using it again. Next time the Sergeant caught me, I would say "Yes Sergeant, it won't happen again"...and the circle of life would continue infinitely.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 25 at 2014 12:15 AM

2014-08-25T00:15:54-04:00

I would give her a medal. That's is how much I hate that word. Soldiers is my platoon know better than to say that around me. If they did I would give them that unnerving look of despair. But making someone write an essay is something different. I would just ask them what did the army do to them that made them that way.

Response by CPT Thomas Le Min made Aug 25 at 2014 12:56 AM

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Speaking of the use of slang...

During WWII, my uncle flew Corsairs with VMF-111. When his unit was still in California training out of MCAS El Toro, there were a relatively large amount of field grade officers due to the prevalence of pilots during the war.

One day, while up flying, he overheard a pilot using decidedly non-military lingo. As soon he was finished, another voice broke in, chewing him out for his radio protocol, stating "I'll have you to know that I'm a Commander!" To which the first pilot replied, "Roger Dodger, you old codger. I'm a Commander, too!" He got no further reply.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 25 at 2014 2:04 AM

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I had an NCO that didn't like the word HOOAH either so he made it a rule that we weren't allowed to say the word in the office. If we did say HOOAH in the office we would be "disobeying" him and therefore get in trouble for insubordination. He didn't like the word because he said that it meant "fuck you". So we obeyed, didn't say HOOAH, but we started saying "Roger" with attitude, so he would know that every time we said "roger", we actually meant "fuck you". After a while, he gave up.

Response by Sgt Packy Flickinger made Aug 25 at 2014 2:24 AM

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When I was in combat school, we had a troop handler, a Sgt, who called a muster one Sat night because he saw a Marine in town in sandals without socks. He proceeded to read us all the riot act for 20 minutes over not being in proper civilian attire. This issue instead of talking to the individual in private like a mature professional.

You guessed it, the whole time he was in sandals without socks. It was all we could do not to break out laughing. We did when he walked away.

Theres one in every crowd

Next time, make something else (and stupid) up. "Blewah!!" See what he says.

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Aug 25 at 2014 2:32 AM

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I would write "ALL work and no play makes Jack a dull boy" 5,000 times. I think you will be given a WIDE berth afterwards. Always have a little smirk and pretend to wipe the "drool" from your mouth. Mumbling to yourself, "But, you'll never be able to get away with it" any time you are within ear shot would be beneficial as well........JK?
In all seriousness though, I'd say choose your battles and fight the good fight. I always try to expend the least amount of cognitive energy when it comes to dealing with idiots. Just my 2 cents.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 25 at 2014 7:11 AM

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Just say Hooyah! It's a navy thing...

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 25 at 2014 9:08 AM

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I feel that your SNCO is being very unprofessional. The word HOOAH has a long and storied history (see link).

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/jointservices/a/hooah.htm

I recommend that you fight it- just be very tactful about it. If you do have to write an essay about, write about the origins and history of the word HOOAH and how it is used in today's Army in a positive way.

That's my two pennies worth.

Where Did the Term 'Hooah' Come From?

You can hear it echoing from the hallowed halls of Fort Benning, Ga.'s Infantry Center to the ranges at Fort Lewis, Wash. It is uttered at award ceremonies, bellowed from formations, and repeated before, during and after training missions. You can hear it shouted by Air Force Security Forces, Pararescue, and Combat Controllers. The word is thundered out by Navy SEALs, and by United States Marines (who pronounce it OohRah!). So, where did the...

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 25 at 2014 10:46 AM

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I'd say check, roger AND hooah....then draw fire and move out....lol

Response by SGT Jay Ehrenfeld made Aug 25 at 2014 10:58 AM

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when I was on active duty I didn't say it I don't care if I don't say it my decision not to say. It not required by UMCJ or other regulation. I was at Youngston and Camp Humphrey Twice

Response by SGT Richard H. made Aug 25 at 2014 11:31 AM

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I would write the 5000 word Essay, addressing it to said NCO, and CC it to my Company 1SG & CO and my Battalion CSM & Commander.....then laugh on the inside as I watched him squirm.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 25 at 2014 12:03 PM

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I would likely reply with "Hooah", then move out.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 25 at 2014 1:31 PM

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i personally hate the word hooah but its nothing to write a 5000 word essay over, its crap like that is why there's ig

Response by SFC Stephen Carden made Aug 25 at 2014 1:49 PM

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I wouldn't say that you have a "right" to use the word. However, you do have a duty to obey all lawful orders from those appointed over you. So, if his lawful order is to use a word that, quite frankly, is not a real word, then I guess you have no choice but to obey. Is it really worth him proving a point by "asserting his authori-tie" and giving you a counseling statement or recommending you for UCMJ procedures?

Now, having said that, I will say this: That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. A 5000 word paper? Hint: Army regulations that discuss customs and courtesies do not discuss the word "hooah". However, the word does have a historical basis, which you can research using links in some of the above posts. I have been known to use the word myself, though not recently. I dunno. just seems like a silly thing for him to be worried about.

Response by Cpl Brett Wagner made Aug 25 at 2014 2:14 PM

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SGT Korina Marquez - Someone really said this? That sounds so ridiculous, like "Hey soldier lets hold down that motivation. It could be contagious." As a Marine we will Ooh Rah you to death. I have always thought of HOOAH as the Army equivalent. That is just plain goofy. Does this person drive a small car, wear big shoes and have a squeaky nose?

Response by Cpl Brett Wagner made Aug 25 at 2014 2:35 PM

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Since being on Rally Point I have learned a lot about the Army and I find it to be so different from the Corps and the Navy. Run of the mill Marines in the FMF and even more so in elite units like forward observers (not sure what they are called these days) RECON, and Force RECON tend to use Ooh Rah even more than the rest. It is looked on as a good thing, I think the same in the Navy SEALs however i could be wrong. When a Marine is very motivated then the regular "Ooh Rah" becomes "AARUGHA"and tell me that is not motivating.

Response by SGT Richard H. made Aug 25 at 2014 4:36 PM

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When did Hooah (HUA) become derogitory or annoying anyway? It never mean "F-you" or any of that that I'm reading here.....it was used more or less interchangeably as a question and an answer like "OK?".

SGT: We're going to patrol to check point 1, establish a perimeter, and await the next FRAGO, hooah?

Troops: Hooah, SGT.

Response by MAJ Ronnie Reams made Aug 25 at 2014 5:08 PM

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Where did WETSU go? Hardly hear of it anymore. Seriously, the better part of valor would be not to use it with in his/her hearing.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 25 at 2014 8:58 PM

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I'd say "ai-ee-yah" and move out

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 25 at 2014 8:59 PM

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Is have to stifle a laugh and inform them that they may have joined the wrong branch.

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 25 at 2014 10:54 PM

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Run in place and sing cadences with HOOAH

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 26 at 2014 8:11 AM

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First of make sure you pick your battles wisely.

Secondly if this is one of those battles that you feel PROFESSIONALLY is worth fighting, then fight it.

Whatever you do do not make it personal, make it professional!!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 26 at 2014 7:22 PM

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The "leader" who chooses to use their own personal pet peeves to punish their soldiers is, in my eyes, a questionable leader. If the individual in question doesn't care for the word, I just wouldn't use it around them. I've had many individuals I work with, both above and below me, that do not care for the use of certain words. So out of respect for that individual, not their rank, I don't say those words.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 26 at 2014 10:17 PM

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Let's save the kittens.

Response by SPC David Hannaman made Aug 27 at 2014 1:00 AM

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Sounds like a horribly unmotivated senior NCO. I would happily write the essay and welcome the opportunity to change their point of view.

HOOAH is the yin to the F-word yang. Over used? Possibly, but I would think that someone over motivated (even if they're "faking it until they're making it") is preferable to someone who is unmotivated and happy in their own misery.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 27 at 2014 5:19 AM

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SGT MARQUEZ

I would say HOOAH!!!!!!!! AND THEN SAY HOOAH AGAIN, just to drive the point home. HOOAH is a part of Army lingo forever. Next time you see this individual tell them I said HOOAH.

Take care and best of luck to you in your career.

CSM REED

Response by SGM Gregory Miller made Aug 27 at 2014 9:12 AM

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I would think if the Sr NCO doesn't have anything better for you to do than write a 5000 word essay then he should check himself and his leadership. If he intends on you doing the essay on your own time then it consitutes corrective training and a valid deficiency would have to be identified and put in writing.
Having said that I completely agree with the others posting that advise you to pick your battles. Maybe a discussion, one on one, NCO to NCO, of their intent would help clear the air.

Response by SPC Theodore Pilny made Aug 27 at 2014 12:01 PM

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I was not aware that professionals in the Military used that phrase after Basic training and possibly AIT. I was stationed with the 173rd Airborne after Basic, AIT, and Airborne School. I said it once and was told by a very respected SPC; "dont say that shit you sound like an idiot." I understood my place in the rank structure and did what I was told. Maybe you should learn to follow the orders of those appointed over you after all we all took an oath to obey the orders of those appointed over us. I think we all had some NCO give us orders that were a waste of time but there is no need to cry about it like you have been wronged in some terrible manner. Just a heads up it is your "rights" not your "writes" to free speech.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 27 at 2014 2:32 PM

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Hey SGT, you know I am a HOOAH free NCO. Roger, noted always works. However, that is not in the reg either!

Response by SGT Christopher Purdy made Aug 27 at 2014 2:55 PM

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If you're that beholden to the word "Hooah", I'd be concerned....

Response by MSG James Douglas made Aug 27 at 2014 3:29 PM

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It's a pet peeve not a regulation.....say Roger Sarge and keep it moving!

Response by SCPO Kenneth Myers made Aug 27 at 2014 3:51 PM

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I'd ask him/her to direct me to the instruction that outlines that requirement.

Response by PO3 John Jeter made Aug 27 at 2014 5:33 PM

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I would agree to not use the phrase in their presence, but I would request that instruction for the essay be written out in a proper format and promulgated through the chain of command with the originators ID. With written orders you can do the "assignment" on duty. If someone is going to be prissy, make them wear the label.

Response by SPC David S. made Aug 28 at 2014 12:47 AM

2014-08-28T00:47:07-04:00

Roger that. Should I make a copy for the company commander as well Sarge?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 28 at 2014 1:13 AM

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SGT Marquez, There has been some very good suggestions here. I understand that many Leaders have "Pet Peeves" and it is usually better to try and curb those habits which they do not care for.

I will say that I do have an issue with Leaders who request "An Essay" unless they posses a degree in "English" It could be argued that 5,000 words is excessive.

One angle as one already stated in that you prove that it is not against any regulation.

Is there possibly deeper going on with this situation. Maybe some discontent with you or a personality issue?

As Leaders we must learn to work with everyone, even those that we do not enjoy to be around. It sucks but part of the job.

Of course I Like CSM Reed's response as I enjoy a good razzing of individuals. :) Not to mention I have had the Pleasure of working for CSM Reed.

I sure hope it works out for you and you get to remove yourself from that individual soon.

Take Care,

SSG (P) Fay

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 28 at 2014 11:55 AM

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When I hear a Soldier say HOOAH the first thing that comes to my mind is that this is a highly motivated dedicated individual.

Keep up your motivation and drive on.

But at the same time, keep in mind the advice that MAJ Carl Ballinger has to offer.

Best Regards.

Response by SP5 Tom Carlson made Aug 28 at 2014 12:22 PM

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I would probably write it, then file a EEOE complaint with the I.G. for restricting free speech.

Response by SPC Christine Roelens made Aug 28 at 2014 1:06 PM

2014-08-28T13:06:31-04:00

I would agree with most and say HOOAH! It is all fabulous Army pride, so yell it proudly...on another note...depending on the use...it's context...not to use it to be disrespectful. Do you know what I mean? Some NCO'S may hear that all the time from a private disregarding an order that the private themselves don't like. t and then reply with a HOOAH! SGT....meaning GFY...LOL So, you can write your essay on the meaning and spirit of "HOOAH" and your right to be a motivated soldier, not disrespecting and being courteous. That NCO doesn't deserve your HOOAH! anyway if they said they didn't like it.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 28 at 2014 8:23 PM

2014-08-28T20:23:27-04:00

As a new-ish soldier (1-1/2 years service) I've seen that we are trained from day one to say hooah. All of us in the new generation. We all probably said hooah over a hundred times on a daily basis in basic and AIT. It becomes a reflex, and I would never say it with the hidden F You behind it. I would just avoid saying it around that particular NCO. Too easy.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 29 at 2014 12:42 AM

2014-08-29T00:42:32-04:00

The H word is one of the dumbest damn things I have ever heard. In basic training where you are trying to break the civilian slangs, it is and always will be a great word to unite the troops. In the real ARMY, if me troops say that word, the just drop down and give me 20 for being stupid. Wake up people and fight the good fight!!!!

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 31 at 2014 11:32 AM

2014-08-31T11:32:18-04:00

I'd laugh in that senior NCO's face and walk away. But then again, I'm a Chief Warrant Officer...I can do that.

Response by MAJ Ron Peery made Sep 1 at 2014 1:29 PM

2014-09-01T13:29:48-04:00

Laughter comes to mind. I might ask the NCO to write a 5000 word essay on his or her thoughts on the issue, and remind the NCO that we don't hold rank in the Army to force our personal likes or dislikes on our subordinates. If it continued to be a problem, it might reflect on the next NCOER.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 1 at 2014 2:53 PM

2014-09-01T14:53:13-04:00

Bottom Line: Your NCO gave you direction not to use military slang; however the corrective action appears extremist and self-motivated instead of holding to the NCO creed so I would personally question that while at the same time acknowledging the NCO is correct in the intent if not the application.

The only limitation that could be fought against would be does the punishment match the severity of the infraction. I would recommend you approach your chain of command and talk to First Sergeant; the NCO is correct that HOOAH may not appear in regulation, however the requirement for a 5000 word essay could also be seen as extremist or hazing instead of professional mentor-ship.

Your other option is to refuse the corrective action and request the infraction be documented on a DA 4856, a copy of which must be provided to the First Sergeant for review of the action; this puts it on paper to protect both you and the NCO, even if you may not like what is placed on the document.

Always remain professional and acknowledge that folks are trying to adhere to regulations, even if the regulatory word appears unfair.

Response by SFC Erin Barnett made Sep 2 at 2014 11:27 PM

2014-09-02T23:27:29-04:00

It's another of those things taken away from the paratroopers. It doesn't belong to the rest of the Army anymore than the beret. Let the 82nd and the 101st keep their sayings and head gear. To be honest, they earned it, the rest of us didn't.

Without the proper emotion, it sounds stupid anyway, and a jumper would never say it without emotion.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 15 at 2014 7:08 AM

2014-09-15T07:08:35-04:00

Like a good E3 I would say roger that and keep moving.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 20 at 2014 10:25 AM

2014-09-20T10:25:02-04:00

I would say hooah...and move out.. "lawful orders versus unlawful"

Where does the regulation say that "you can say the word hooah?" How about uhhhh the the constitution and the bill of rights?? I think that trumps most any regulation...except maybe this new adaptation of "Guilty until proven innocent" with certain things in the military.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 21 at 2014 2:13 PM

2014-09-21T14:13:30-04:00

A leader who is willing to punish a Soldier due to his/her personal opinions, might need to check themselves. These leaders do exist, unfortunately. There has been LPDs/NCOPDs about " Toxic " Leaders. Some leaders are confused on what the definition of a "Toxic " leader is...this is a fairly decent example. The key is to identify these leaders and send them on their way.

Response by SPC Brian Aranda made Sep 21 at 2014 5:24 PM

2014-09-21T17:24:10-04:00

I always thought HOOAH was the verbal sound of H.U.A. (Heard, Understood, Acknowledged), it was always used as a generic indicator of what was being said was what was being received.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 21 at 2014 10:42 PM

2014-09-21T22:42:47-04:00

H.U.A.A. Heard Understood and Acknowledged. A Ranger communication between each other on foot patrol, when it is critical to be quiet.

HOOAH. Commercialized spelling mistake of marketing private business entrepreneurs (t-shirts, stickers, mugs..)

Ultimately, like many things in life, it morphed to a cultural understanding of many things, and become known as such today.

Thanks Ranger Dunn (1SG Ret.), and my Ranger PSG & SL from 4th PLT Barbarians (JSA-JSF CO) for teaching me about HUAA early in my career.

Military history is great, documented or not, it serves one higher purpose, honoring the millions of great Americans who served in uniform by providing something to be proud of, even if it is a simple utter or sound.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 22 at 2014 7:23 AM

2014-09-22T07:23:20-04:00

Isn't Hoooah the Army's battle cry? Why does this Senior NCO not like the word?

Response by 1SG Chris Brown made Sep 22 at 2014 1:31 PM

2014-09-22T13:31:39-04:00

I'd definitely agree with some others that have posted here. I'd say Hooah to that one. I don't know which regulation covers an NCO being able to limit the words I use day-to-day. Unless my words are somehow derogatory or offensive to others, I don't see how a pet peeve can be enofrced like that. Though I do know a few people who take offense to the term "Top" when referring to the 1SG. I personally don't mind it at all and laugh at others who get all high and mighty about the term because they're not a toy that spins. On that one, I could at least see forcing a Soldier to call me 1SG instead of Top. But I kind of like the term personally. And I'm sure I've said HOOAH more than my fair share of times as well.

HOOAH!

Response by CW3 Michael Danberry made Sep 22 at 2014 6:44 PM

2014-09-22T18:44:05-04:00

I would love it. I dislike people who make caveman sounds. When I was in an Air Defense Artillery unit I was a mechanic, and we'd have the Air Defense Soldiers helping with the service on their vehicle. When one of them would make that sound, I would ask them what word would they have used if they didn't say the grunt sound? I felt we were taking a step back in time by using it. Even commissioned officers sounded like a caveman. I still do not use this sound in my daily life.

Response by 1LT William Clardy made Sep 28 at 2014 6:45 PM

2014-09-28T18:45:18-04:00

SGT Marquez, while I politely disagree with you on the communicative value of "HOOAH!" (I once contemplating writing a skit where the entire conversation was composed of hand gestures and varying intonations of "Hooah"), I'm glad to see that there are still rabble-rousing young NCOs who are not too career-focused to question and challenge older (and occasionally denser) heads.

And extra kudos for maintaining your military bearing while do so.

Response by SPC Daniel Edwards made Dec 15 at 2014 10:57 PM

2014-12-15T22:57:18-05:00

Ok, the essay is probably to far. The problem is not that you (or whomever) said HOOAH, the problem is that it has been said so much that it has lost its original meaning. I don't even know what its original meaning is. These soldiers coming out of basic are being brainwashed to believe that if they show a shit-ton of motivation and say HOOAH every other word they are told, they will be promoted faster. So they don't shut up about it and it gets old fast.
Ok Soldiers. HOOAH. The task today. HOOAH. Is to do. HOOAH. A lay out for the Commander. HOOAH.
Kinda gets old quick doesn't it?

Response by SGT William Howell made Jan 8 at 2015 11:08 AM

2015-01-08T11:08:51-05:00

Not a fan of Hooah anyway. It is not like we did not steal it from the Marines. Being that I am guy that hates people that pull rank just because they can. I would find something much more obnoxious to say. "Meow", "Nitt", "Rightto", "Super Duper", "Flower Power", "Jesus loves you", "Jose Canseco" or some kind of gurgling sound with a sneeze at the end. By the end he would be begging me for a Hooah!

Response by SSG Tim Everett made Jan 8 at 2015 11:27 AM

2015-01-08T11:27:33-05:00

Personally I think the word Hooah is stupid, and whilst in uniform I only ever said it with great irony or sarcasm. Or if we were in a formation and that was the expected response.

If a senior NCO told me I can't say hooah because he or she doesn't like it, I'd say "hooah Sarnt", then move out and draw fire. If he or she wants to notify my chain of command that I'm complying with his or her pet peeve, that's his or her prerogative. They can explain their idiocy to the First Sergeant, who I would hope would say "Hooah Sarnt, get out of my office."

So much butthurt these days. How are we supposed to win a war?

Response by SPC Stephanie Oanes made Jan 8 at 2015 11:29 AM

2015-01-08T11:29:56-05:00

I always hated that word myself.

Response by SGT James Sedlacek made Jan 8 at 2015 1:20 PM

2015-01-08T13:20:48-05:00

I would think that this Senior NCO just gave an "unlawful" order, since is has nothing to do with anything but a personal preference. I would research that first and then get back with that Senior NCO. I would wonder though why this Senior NCO wants to enforce something differently from what is taught in Basic/AIT/OSUT. Now, I'd admit some people overuse the word, but they need trained or retrained on how to speak. One doesn't need to "outlaw" a word to fix that problem.

Response by 1LT Vance Ownbey made Jan 8 at 2015 1:59 PM

2015-01-08T13:59:39-05:00

I would ask the NCO this: since when in the history of the United States Army is trying to increase morale, build esprit de corps, honor the traditions of the best Army in the world and showing pride for the uniform, traditions and customs of said Army to be frowned upon and stifled? Maybe that senior NCO should be taken to a cemetery and be forced to explain to the cross of a soldier who laid down their life defending the this country, paying the ultimate price, and simple quoting the basic tenants all soldiers should live by "Duty, Honor, Country". HOOAH!!

Response by LTC Stephen C. made Jan 8 at 2015 4:26 PM

2015-01-08T16:26:38-05:00

SSG Private RallyPoint Member, I would like to think a senior NCO has more to do than counsel you about something like this.

Response by SSG Dwight Amey MSA, MSL, BS, AS made Jan 9 at 2015 4:28 PM

2015-01-09T16:28:39-05:00

SGT Korina Marquez, I would not fight it. The key word is discretion. If in the name of good order the senior nco does not want us using the word we cannot use it. I look at these types of issues from the legalistic perspective. Fact is I don't out rank the individual and leave myself open for possible "corrective action" for failure to follow a directive from a senior NCO who is within his authority. He is not asking me to break a law, harm myself or other, degrade myself or others.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2016 1:09 PM

2016-05-05T13:09:51-04:00

Give him/her a "hurt feelings report." This is a sad example of why younger service members feel so entitled...this demonstration by the senior NCO is pathetic.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2016 1:17 PM

2016-05-05T13:17:30-04:00

Hate the " word". Never used the "word". Never stopped anyone else from using it. My guys knew I hated it. I would visibly cringe when it was said in my presence, and I would refuse to say it whenever a senior would try to get me to. You don't have to say it, you don't have to not say it. They are taking it too far.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2016 1:55 PM

2016-05-05T13:55:10-04:00

I would ask him to stand at the position-of-attention and explain in nauseating detail why this is a good idea. Who knows, maybe he will convince me?

Response by SGT Alicia Brenneis made May 5 at 2016 2:00 PM

2016-05-05T14:00:55-04:00

Hooah and Rodger kept me out of trouble when what I really wanted to say was much more explicit.

Response by CPL Tommy Santos made May 5 at 2016 4:53 PM

2016-05-05T16:53:51-04:00

The NCOs in Regiment hated Hooah as a response.

"ROGER, insert rank, and "NEGATIVE, insert rank."

Response by MSgt Devon Saunders made May 5 at 2016 6:13 PM

2016-05-05T18:13:20-04:00

Just pick your battles wisely.

Response by LCpl Mark Riley made May 5 at 2016 8:27 PM

2016-05-05T20:27:01-04:00

I would say good to go gunnie your right marines don't say hooah they say ooh rah semper fi

Response by Capt Tom Brown made May 7 at 2016 6:23 PM

2016-05-07T18:23:01-04:00

Did this ever get resolved one way or another?

Response by CPO Amb. Terry Earthwind Nichols made May 7 at 2016 9:40 PM

2016-05-07T21:40:46-04:00

Let me ask you this: Did you ever stop to think that HOOAH may be a trigger for this NCO? That person may just 'dealing' right now and you get to make a decision to stand up for yourself and the consequences of that decision or just let it go. One of you will leave soon anyway right?