What will it take for all states to be forced to recognize the right to carry for those with a CCH permit?

PO1 Aaron Baltosser — Sun, 24 Sep 2017 08:30:55 -0400

Response by LTC Kevin B. made Sep 24 at 2017 9:01 AM

LTC Kevin B. — Sun, 24 Sep 2017 09:01:39 -0400

It will take a national reciprocity law (which could be legally challenged) or a Constitutional amendment, both of which will take an enormous amount of political will across the country.

Response by CW3 Harvey K. made Sep 24 at 2017 9:49 AM

CW3 Harvey K. — Sun, 24 Sep 2017 09:49:02 -0400

The states will have to agree on minimal standards for issuance of a CCW, e.g. background check with fingerprint search, proven safe handling of firearms training, etc.
That is not to say the states cannot be told what standards they must accept by the Federal Government. That mandatory acceptance by all states of out-of-state "carry credentials" has already been established by the Federal law known as LEOSA, or "Law Enforcement Officer Safety Act". All states must honor every police officer's right to carry, including retired officers who re-qualify on the range annually.
It is no big step for a Federal law requiring the same universal acceptance of "civilian" carry credentials, as is currently required for past or present LEOs. States can continue to allow "constitutional carry" (as 13 states now do), and also offer their citizens a Federally qualified for universal acceptance CCW, if those citizens wish to have such documentation for out-of-state travel. Alaska is one such state that makes that provision in its laws, and I'm sure there are other states as well.
Perhaps this Federal law will also lead to the end of the "may issue" CCW scourge that has infected the country. There are only 8 states (although very populous states), which still cling to the practice of allowing the exercise of a constitutionally protected right to be subject to the arbitrary judgement of a "government official" of some sort.

Response by PO1 Aaron Baltosser made Sep 24 at 2017 9:51 AM

PO1 Aaron Baltosser — Sun, 24 Sep 2017 09:51:30 -0400

I've had it suggested to me that carrying concealed is not a Right, but I view it as a bit different than that. In 2008 in the Heller decision it was determined to be a Right to carry outside of the home in order to defend yourself. Many, many places do not allow open carry, and those that do, don't encourage it because of the clause 'to the terror of the public'. With the Heller decision in hand then the only way to exercise the Right would be to carry concealed. D.C. still takes a dim view of that despite being rebuked by the courts on several occasions. California, Illinois, New York and New Jersey take a similar stance.

What social, legal, or other change will it take for that Right to be recognized? marriages have to be recognized in all 50 states, and I hoped that one decision would be a springboard for the full recognition of Rights in all 50 states, but the process has been very slow.

Response by Norah Julmis made Sep 24 at 2017 4:55 PM

Norah Julmis — Sun, 24 Sep 2017 16:55:28 -0400

I agree with you. I have a CC permit from Florida when I used to live there. People will say that it isn't a right. However, I do have a right to "Life" and in my opinion, that means I have the "right" to protect myself - anytime, anywhere. Police are great, but they can't always respond in enough time to prevent a situation, if they respond at all. Heck, depending on the situation, you may not be in a position to call 911 or yell for help.

I really hope that we can make a national reciprocity law happen, even if they raise the standards to get a license. I wouldn't be opposed to more training for most civilians as the laws vary greatly from state-to-state.

Response by SGT Jim Arnold made Sep 25 at 2017 3:50 AM

SGT Jim Arnold — Mon, 25 Sep 2017 03:50:00 -0400

at this stage and current political climate "when hell freezes over" should be a right that is non-negotiable.

Response by PO3 Steven Sherrill made Sep 25 at 2017 5:13 PM

PO3 Steven Sherrill — Mon, 25 Sep 2017 17:13:55 -0400

PO1 Aaron Baltosser The way some of the "liberal" states are, it won't happen.