What will ever suffice as enough evidence in ending the Russian collusion investigation?

2019-02-19T14:51:07-05:00

House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff stated in an interview that the special counsel Robert Mueller’s report on potential Russian government meddling in the 2016 election might not be the final word on the matter. Seems like he is preparing the stage for the possibility that the report will not confirm any evidence of collusion. As such is there a way the left would be able to find closure and put an end to the narrative?

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/17/trump-russia-collusion-adam-schiff-1173434

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Response by SPC Mike Lake made Feb 19 at 2019 2:52 PM

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That's a great question I don't think there's enough evidence where the left wall not believe there are is plenty of evidence now showing that there was no collusion at all

Response by LTC Eugene Chu made Feb 19 at 2019 3:12 PM

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A bit hypocritical of Schiff (2015 clip of him). Right-wing wants an early end of Russia collusion probe, but supported a lengthy Benghazi attack probe.

https://www.msnbc.com/hardball/watch/rep.-adam-schiff-on-benghazi-cmte. [login to see] 11

Rep. Adam Schiff on Benghazi Cmte.

Congressman Adam Schiff weighs in on whether the Benghazi Committee uncovered anything of substance in their investigation.

Response by SPC Casey Ashfield made Feb 19 at 2019 3:24 PM

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I don't think the left will accept anything, no matter how many committees investigate Russia.

Response by SMSgt Thor Merich made Feb 19 at 2019 3:29 PM

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They will keep looking until the find the evidence to justify their conclusion.

Normally, in an investigation you follow the facts until you reach a reasonable conclusion. In this case, they already decided the end (that Trump did collude with the Russians), and they are scrambling to prove it. It has been frustrating for them because they have not found any evidence yet.

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Feb 19 at 2019 3:35 PM

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SPC David S. '"Obama Spied on Me" Might as Well have Written a Confession in My Book. I'm a Retired Navy Spook. Signed USSID 18 I forgot How Many Times. When Your Best Buddies, The Ones Funding Your Projects are GRU. The Ones I Fought against for 21 Years? When US Banks won't Touch You because of Bankruptcies but German Banks will with Russian Guarantors? Call it a "Professional Opinion" I Owe You Nothing and I'm Probably Not Your Friend!

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 19 at 2019 3:35 PM

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All of this will end with election day, 2020... maybe.
Until then, it will be an all you can eat buffet.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 19 at 2019 3:35 PM

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There will not be an end to this probe because it is politically motivated, the Democrats will keep this scenario alive to at least the 2020 election is over. That is all Washington is tit for tat, political crap.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Feb 19 at 2019 3:36 PM

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“In his foreword to my book, Alan Dershowitz discusses his time litigating cases in the old Soviet Union. He was always taken by the fact that they could prosecute anybody they wanted because some of the statutes were so vague. Dershowitz points out that this was a technique developed by Beria, the infamous sidekick of Stalin, who said, “Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime.” That really is something that has survived the Soviet Union and has arrived in the good old USA. “Show me the man,” says any federal prosecutor, “and I can show you the crime.” This is not an exaggeration.”

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Feb 19 at 2019 4:06 PM

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No amount of evidence can "prove" a negative, especially when the investigation is driven by hysteria

Response by LCDR Joshua Gillespie made Feb 19 at 2019 4:08 PM

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I'm not a Constitutional scholar, and philosophically, I'm sometimes a bit Machiavellian (translation... I don't think, "what's good for the goose"... is always good for the gander). I think we've left civility, rationality, and the true Rule of Law far behind long ago, and it's all about trying to limit what the "other side" can do when it's their turn at the helm. That's because we've forgotten what "freedom" really means; it's neither majority rule, nor mob rule. So long as we continue down this path, I don't think we'll see any U.S. President, regardless of party affiliation, escape the shennanigans.

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 19 at 2019 4:23 PM

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"Evidence" has never been a requirement for the Russian collusion investigation.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 19 at 2019 4:25 PM

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When Mueller concludes his investigation and says there was no collusion.

Response by LT Brad McInnis made Feb 19 at 2019 4:32 PM

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There was a point where it was an actual investigation, now as it expands it looks more like government funded opposition research for 2020...

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 19 at 2019 5:07 PM

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Nope, none at all. Because “ORANGEMAN BAD!!”

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 19 at 2019 5:08 PM

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One reason the House is conducting investigations is as a backup in case the Mueller report is withheld.
Documents that Democrats wanted when Republicans were in charge may not have been requested, witnesses may have perjured themselves, which warrants being investigated.
Mueller's report, if released, may cause the Democrats to stop some of the oversight. If the report is withheld, investigations will continue.
There has been nothing that draws a reasonable conclusion that no collusion occurred. Likewise, with the exception of Stone, there is no evidence Trump, Trump Jr., or Kushner colluded. Plenty of coincidences, but we our law is beyond a reasonable doubt.
If there was no collusion, investigations will result in no evidence. If evidence is discovered, does anyone on this post believe there should be no consequences?
If other crimes are discovered, such as tax fraud, money laundering, does anyone believe there should be no consequences, no prosecution?
There have been plea deals, violations of federal law, and a conviction, so there are attempts to cover something up, and we deserve to know.
If there were no violations of law, they deserve their names cleared.
Complete transparency, if it clears Trump, guarantees a win in 2020, considering how Democrats are screwing up (Virginia for example.) If a Republican governor had admitted to black face, every Democrat in the country would be picketing the governor's office. They've done silent solely to keep a Republican from assuming the office. Although I believe the LTG should assume until any investigation reaches a conclusion. Hell Kavanaugh is sitting on the SC, so the standard has been set.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 19 at 2019 5:38 PM

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I'm not a leftist, but I find the number of intersections between this administration and the Putin regime to be concerning. But, hey, if the American people didn't vote for a reality-TV game show host for the job of POTUS, then we wouldn't be in this situation in the first place. The electorate might not get who they need, but they get who they deserve. I'll be over there with my popcorn.

Response by MSG Stan Hutchison made Feb 19 at 2019 6:19 PM

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I do not believe Robert Mueller's directions were to find "collusion" between the President and the Russians. I believe it was to see what, if any "collusion" there was between Trump's campaign and the Russians. He is finding that.
Let's let it come to it's conclusion, publish the findings, and go from there.

Response by MSG Stan Hutchison made Feb 19 at 2019 6:34 PM

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First off, I think Robert Mueller is a very honorable man and dedicated to truth and justice. I believe he will continue this investigation until he finds all he can find within the directions he was given.

Response by Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen made Feb 19 at 2019 6:57 PM

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At the stage this country is in, none, but I'm still a Cold War warrier and can't understand anyone siding with Russians if there is the slightest suspicion.

Response by 1SG Dennis Hicks made Feb 19 at 2019 7:16 PM

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When someone's whole argument is built upon an emotional response and a deep sense of victim hood at the hands of someone they can't go 1 day without having a melt down then nothing will change their course. Self destructive emotional investment in anything is a recipe for failure no matter what your politics.

Response by COL John McClellan made Feb 19 at 2019 7:29 PM

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With practically everyone involved (in the campaign, not the investigation) lying constantly, it's a difficult challenge to get to the truth.

Response by LTC Kevin B. made Feb 19 at 2019 7:44 PM

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The Mueller investigation has a limited scope. The House is not bound by that scope, so their investigation can go in many other directions. Hence, the Mueller report won't be the end of the road with President Trump and Russia.

Response by PO3 Donald Murphy made Feb 19 at 2019 7:58 PM

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Do keep in mind that neither candidate (Clinton/Trump) had 100% of their own parties love and support. A better managed third party candidate could and should have carried the election. So while we all like to wax poetic about "democrats this, leftists/snowflakes that," do keep in mind that there are a ton of people privately and publicly on the conservative side of the wall that do not like Mr. Trump and wish he would go away. RINO's are some that you know of, but there are many more than that.

Response by MAJ Byron Oyler made Feb 19 at 2019 8:38 PM

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Not until Trump is out of office and the Democrats should read the Constitution and realize that at any point from now that if Trump leaves office, it places Pence and the GOP in good shape to be in the White House for the remaining term of Trump plus eight years of Pence. Incumbents rarely loose and Pence can be President for a total of ten years.

Response by LTJG Richard Bruce made Feb 19 at 2019 11:34 PM

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Collusion is not a crime. Meddling is not a crime. In the USA, groups are not accused of crime, individuals are. The Russian Gov't cannot commit a crime. Investigations do not find a crime. A crime determines the investigation. Initial fishing expedition came about by a lie searching for unknown wrong-doing caused by specific political figures who may or may not had any involvement in anything claimed. The entire process if back-assward.

Response by SGT Jim Ramge, MBA made Feb 20 at 2019 12:08 PM

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Great question! Wish it would end soon, tired of my taxes continually increasing!

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 20 at 2019 1:10 PM

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I'll accept the findings regardless of who benefits from it, and be glad it's over. I'm just not sure the public will ever know the whole story, especially with talk of redacting or withholding the finished report from the public. If it favors Trump the Dem party will have to stand behind it in order to discourage the extremists. Likewise for Reps. In other words, it needs to be done for good once all actions are completed. Like a bowel movement - not finished until the paperwork is done. Flush.