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Whats wrong with us as a people when we riot over the wrongful death of a man that is by all accounts a drug dealer and user even though he should not have died yet the same people that raised the hate level in America have said ZERO about a Police Officer and hero that was Killed in the line of duty by a thug?? does anyone feel like we are treated the same by people like Sharpton as the Police officer? I feel like people like that care about as much about us veterans as they do about police...NOTHING
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In a phrase; Yellow Journalism. Talking heads are one the worst things to happen since Hearst said "You provide the pictures, I'll provide the war."
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How to phrase this... I know I'm removing context, and I apologize, but I think it's important to highlight the phrase, because I think this is the important part.
...Rioting over the wrongful death of a man...
I don't advocate rioting. But "if" I did, it would be for this. It wouldn't matter if he was a thug, or what. His past doesn't excuse the wrongful death. It doesn't excuse the rioting either.
But... Rioting is a symptom.
If you think of the Nation as a Person. Rioting is Pain. Pain is your body telling you that something is wrong. What do you do when your body tells you something is wrong? You stop immediately and try to assess what is causing it. Once we figure out what is wrong we try to fix it.
How is this any different?
So to get back to your question PO2 Mark Saffell "What's wrong with us as a country?"
If anything, it's that we keep focusing on the "symptom" and not the underlying "problem."
...Rioting over the wrongful death of a man...
I don't advocate rioting. But "if" I did, it would be for this. It wouldn't matter if he was a thug, or what. His past doesn't excuse the wrongful death. It doesn't excuse the rioting either.
But... Rioting is a symptom.
If you think of the Nation as a Person. Rioting is Pain. Pain is your body telling you that something is wrong. What do you do when your body tells you something is wrong? You stop immediately and try to assess what is causing it. Once we figure out what is wrong we try to fix it.
How is this any different?
So to get back to your question PO2 Mark Saffell "What's wrong with us as a country?"
If anything, it's that we keep focusing on the "symptom" and not the underlying "problem."
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
PO2 Mark Saffell To draw a parallel. We're pounding Motrin for a broken leg. It may stop the swelling, but it won't fix the leg.
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CPL J Sannizzaro
In this case I have to disagree. To use your body analogy, this is and old wound. Say a knee wound. But we go on with our life. We go and get the wound treated. All this is done! It happened in a past we no longer have any direct memory of. Say when we a young child, just for comparison.
Now sometimes that old wound hurts from the past, let's say we are out playing ball and twist it again. Some walk it off, it's an old wound we have become accustom to dealing with in its new semi healed state. Some use it as an excuse to lay on the field and act seriously hurt again for whatever false reason. Sometimes it is truly damaged again and needs treatment again.
Can you agree with me so far?
Now here is the question. Does my son, get to claim my injury as his excuse? How about my grandson? Did my injury affect them in some way? Probably yes in our interactions, but their own personal performance. No they don't. They don't get to claim my injuries any more than my accomplishments. My great grand child even less.
Now sometimes that old wound hurts from the past, let's say we are out playing ball and twist it again. Some walk it off, it's an old wound we have become accustom to dealing with in its new semi healed state. Some use it as an excuse to lay on the field and act seriously hurt again for whatever false reason. Sometimes it is truly damaged again and needs treatment again.
Can you agree with me so far?
Now here is the question. Does my son, get to claim my injury as his excuse? How about my grandson? Did my injury affect them in some way? Probably yes in our interactions, but their own personal performance. No they don't. They don't get to claim my injuries any more than my accomplishments. My great grand child even less.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
CPL J Sannizzaro Excellent point!
In this case, I think (like is often the case) the truth is somewhere between the two extremes. As I said, I in no way condone rioting. I do condone Protest, and the ability to petition for grievances.
Now, unfortunately, from EITHER a micro or a macro view this can very much look like a very simple thing, when it is in fact something infinitely more complex.
But going back to your analogy. There is no difference between your son and you. You are the same person. We are the same person. It's one Nation. One organism, and that's what most people just don't get. If there is rioting in Baltimore, that affects Los Angeles, just like you getting kicked in the nethers means you can't think straight.
In this case, I think (like is often the case) the truth is somewhere between the two extremes. As I said, I in no way condone rioting. I do condone Protest, and the ability to petition for grievances.
Now, unfortunately, from EITHER a micro or a macro view this can very much look like a very simple thing, when it is in fact something infinitely more complex.
But going back to your analogy. There is no difference between your son and you. You are the same person. We are the same person. It's one Nation. One organism, and that's what most people just don't get. If there is rioting in Baltimore, that affects Los Angeles, just like you getting kicked in the nethers means you can't think straight.
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
Not sue what you are talking about but, the guy was running away from an arrest. If the cop said "stop or I will shoot". I suggest you stop. Video on shows what happen after the altercation. Liberal news always gives half a story.
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As much as people threw out the name "Freddie" as the source of the Baltimore riots, you have to know that the people weren't rioting for ONE MAN. They were rioting about the 31 deaths over the last year at the hands of the Baltimore Police Department. You say that's not such a big number... but look at the number of people killed by the New York City Police Department in the same time frame - 8. Now look at the population of both cities - Baltimore has about 600,000 people, while NY has 8.5 million. There are over 10x as many people in NYC, but the police there killed over 2/3 fewer in the course of a year.
This clearly shows that there is a disproportionate amount of lethal force being used by police in Baltimore. Does this excuse rioting? No. But is it a cause for protest and outrage? Absolutely.
This clearly shows that there is a disproportionate amount of lethal force being used by police in Baltimore. Does this excuse rioting? No. But is it a cause for protest and outrage? Absolutely.
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TSgt Christopher D.
MAJ Bryan Zeski sir, if you're ever in my neck, the 1st two beers are on me. You can get the rest of them. :P
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SPC Charles Brown
Well said MAJ Bryan Zeski, if you ever get to Klamath Falls area, stop by and I too will buy you a round.
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
Don't know Maj. Many reasons more bad people in Baltimore. Bigger rime problem, drugs, etc. maybe New York eliminated those problems or just shipped them to Baltimore.
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I totally agree with what you are saying but unfortunately controversy sells newspapers.
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Where to start: entitlement, lack of sense of duty and pride in youth... lack of self esteem, caving as a society to the dreaded "PC" and every self labeled social special interest group, loss of sense of country/nation, uber-individuality...
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PO2 Mark Saffell
I have two sisters that are cops and it makes me so agry and sad to see how officers killed in the line of duty are treated by people like the President.
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
That is a travesty PO2 Mark Saffell, we pay more credence to illegal immigrants than we do our own protectors!
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MSG William Wold
Like the Baltimore one, they dragged the guy to the van, he complained his back-his back-. Yet stop the film as he got to the van; he was actually standing on his own on the steps of the van.
I wasn't there I don't know, but even a tiny bird knows better than to crap in his own nest.
I wasn't there I don't know, but even a tiny bird knows better than to crap in his own nest.
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I agree with MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca Petrarca. One word can sum a majority of this up. That word being entitlement. I would voyage to say that upwards of, or even more than 90% of the people who riot are not doing so in protest...but doing so because it is a reason to act like an animal.
Maybe it is just me, but whether I disagreed with something as a civilian or while in the Military, thoughts of looting or burning down buildings never crossed my mind.
Maybe it is just me, but whether I disagreed with something as a civilian or while in the Military, thoughts of looting or burning down buildings never crossed my mind.
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PO2 Robert Cuminale
I'm probably a bit older than most here. I've seen my share of these riots. As a boy I lived in Bushwick in Brooklyn next to Brownsville when they rioted there in the 1960s. I was in Dade County when King was assassinated. We were in the middle during both Opa Locka riots. I was working in the South Bronx during the second power outage.
Entitlement is the word. The pattern is break into the liquor stores, then the electronics stores and pawn shops. Clothing and furniture. Sometime along that line you go for the Class 3,2,1 drugs in the safe at the local drug store. Every car dealership was hit with the cars being driven right through the windows. Grocery stores looted. In a TIME article after the power came back one rioter is quoted "It's Christmas".
It's all about looting not protest.
Entitlement is the word. The pattern is break into the liquor stores, then the electronics stores and pawn shops. Clothing and furniture. Sometime along that line you go for the Class 3,2,1 drugs in the safe at the local drug store. Every car dealership was hit with the cars being driven right through the windows. Grocery stores looted. In a TIME article after the power came back one rioter is quoted "It's Christmas".
It's all about looting not protest.
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
Yep, that is it. An opportunity to TAKE what you want. All looter should be shot on site. No arrest--don't have time for this. There is the old saying. " you can take the ---- out of the slums/ getto's-- but you can't take the slums/getto's out of the ------.
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We live in a period of ignorance, and it is worldwide. There is turmoil when you call a spade a spade, and can be treated as if you are racist, based on the color of your skin, type of criticism you are making, and the color of the skin of the person you are criticizing. Sad state of affair, our country education system is run by intolerant communists, that at their younger times were either dopped up hippies living in communes were everything was a go, or radical activist (also communist or anarchists) that are rewriting history and teaching that to the new generations, and what is coming out is tender cry babies who feel entitled and don't know the actual truth, of who we are where we have been and where are we heading.
But, hey, it is just an opinion.
But, hey, it is just an opinion.
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Those people claim to care about the minority, which would mean weaker or defenseless. For someone like Sharpton to recognize the Military, Veterans, or Police officers he would have to admit that we are the true defenders of all those in need. Therefore admitting he is a useless headline grabber.
Rest assured when he needs any of us we will hear about it, we will do our duty, and then he will tell everyone that we were late, did a poor job once we got there and left him in a worse state the he had to correct by calling the media.
We have the gratitude of 90% of those we serve. Don't worry about the Sharptons. The truth is we will do the right thing even if we didn't get any gratitude.
If you start to get smoked by the naysayers go to a true function. They exist. Any they make us whole as we continue to serve.
Rest assured when he needs any of us we will hear about it, we will do our duty, and then he will tell everyone that we were late, did a poor job once we got there and left him in a worse state the he had to correct by calling the media.
We have the gratitude of 90% of those we serve. Don't worry about the Sharptons. The truth is we will do the right thing even if we didn't get any gratitude.
If you start to get smoked by the naysayers go to a true function. They exist. Any they make us whole as we continue to serve.
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It's about trust - People trust the police to investigate and prosecute a cop killer. They do not trust the police to investigate and prosecute one of their own. In some ways, the original post vindicates this view by glossing over the wrongful death part by forwarding the idea that the victim deserved it anyway.
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
Kinda like officers protecting officers, doctors/doctors, pilots/pilots and the list goes on. I got you back can mean a lot of things. Yet, the Major at Fort Hood is still hanging around,
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I'd like to think veterans are all part of a "family", and as "brothers and sisters" we can say what's on our mind with a little more "truth" than we might give to an outsider. If I'm correct about that, then hopefully you'll take what I'm about to say as coming from a "brother". I don't know if police in some parts of the country are abusing their power, let alone focusing on the African-American population when they do. I don't know if the thirty-or so lives lost referenced here, and many others not were innocent victims, or criminals. I'm willing to give just about anyone the benefit of the doubt because I want that doubt on my behalf. I do know this: every time I took a convoy out of the wire, I viewed EVERY non-uniformed, non-U.S. service member as a potential threat. That meant I had to balance the readiness to use lethal force against the odds that 99% of the time, they were completely innocent bystanders. Cops in some of these cities are without a doubt facing the same conflict. I've had police officers "bait" me...I've had family members pulled over for ridiculous reasons because it was nearing "quota"...I've also seen officers go out of their way to be respectful, patient and helpful. When I hear "black lives matter", I don't question that my African-American friends, comrades in arms ,co-workers and neighbors matter...I question whether or not there is an implied message that because I'm white, I don't already "get" that. I feel frustrated that despite the fact that I've had educators, mentors, employers, commanding officers, politicians and statesmen above me that were black...there's some insistence that I should feel "guilt" or somehow view my own heritage, success and or rights as being "stolen". Listen, as far as I'm concerned, God made us all in His image...we take it from there. If you treat me and mine the way you expect to be treated, I'll stand by you to the hilt...what frame of mind do you think I'm placed in when some people seem to slap that respect away and suggest rather than asking me to stand by them, they want to stand over me?
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