Posted on Jan 18, 2017
What's the main reason AD soldiers hate the national guard?
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Mainly because of a stupid stereotype! I have served on both sides of the fence. The one thing Active Soldiers don't understand is that the same rules and regs apply for the most part, except the National Guard has a whole lot less time to maintain the same standards and levels of readiness. The training plans for Guard units can become very overwhelming. When I first went into the Guard from Active Duty I had a chip on my shoulder thinking I was something better, but I very quickly changed my mind as I could see all the heart and soul that the soldiers put in. There are a defined amount of training hours allotted per year and training plans have to be packed tight.
With the current level of the Active Army the National Guard has become a regular part of the deployment cycles. Of course the "sexy" missions are usually reserve for the Active units. But my thoughts are we are all doing necessary missions. Of course soldiers don't always understand that. The unit that I was part of recently did a Gunnery cycle then NTC train up and Gunnery then NTC rotation and are now slotted for deployment to Europe. all in three years. Very ambitious schedule for a bunch of "Nasty Girls"
With the current level of the Active Army the National Guard has become a regular part of the deployment cycles. Of course the "sexy" missions are usually reserve for the Active units. But my thoughts are we are all doing necessary missions. Of course soldiers don't always understand that. The unit that I was part of recently did a Gunnery cycle then NTC train up and Gunnery then NTC rotation and are now slotted for deployment to Europe. all in three years. Very ambitious schedule for a bunch of "Nasty Girls"
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MSG Steve Wiersgalla
This is a pretty old thread but I am still surprised to see some of the negative comments made by those that still do not understand the crucial role the National Guard and Reserves play on the modern battlefield.
SPC Larry Thompson your concerns are what I consider part of the problem. So my advice to you would be is step aside and let the real soldiers come through and do their job.
I cannot speak for the entire Guard network, however the Leaders and Soldiers of the Minnesota National Guard are being held accountable according to Army Standards.
As leaders we have the duty and responsibility to teach and train our soldiers how to survive on the battlefield. As soldiers it is your duty to be honor bound to the service and loyalty to your Country.
Until the Army is built back up to a large enough sustainable force the National Guard and Reserve will continue to have a very large presence on the global battlefield.
CPL Joseph Hutchinson thank you for shutting down the "Good Idea Fairy". That commander needs to learn how to fart. Otherwise gas will continue up his spine to his brai and spawn "shitty ideas".
CW5 Ivan Murdock , Chief your nephew has some f'ed up leadership. That is pointblank, not sugarcoated, no BS. I would like to personally challenge anyone that knows of this problem to unf..k the situation. It is time for toxic leadership to go away.
There are great soldiers with awesome potential getting frustrated by what they see.
SPC Larry Thompson your concerns are what I consider part of the problem. So my advice to you would be is step aside and let the real soldiers come through and do their job.
I cannot speak for the entire Guard network, however the Leaders and Soldiers of the Minnesota National Guard are being held accountable according to Army Standards.
As leaders we have the duty and responsibility to teach and train our soldiers how to survive on the battlefield. As soldiers it is your duty to be honor bound to the service and loyalty to your Country.
Until the Army is built back up to a large enough sustainable force the National Guard and Reserve will continue to have a very large presence on the global battlefield.
CPL Joseph Hutchinson thank you for shutting down the "Good Idea Fairy". That commander needs to learn how to fart. Otherwise gas will continue up his spine to his brai and spawn "shitty ideas".
CW5 Ivan Murdock , Chief your nephew has some f'ed up leadership. That is pointblank, not sugarcoated, no BS. I would like to personally challenge anyone that knows of this problem to unf..k the situation. It is time for toxic leadership to go away.
There are great soldiers with awesome potential getting frustrated by what they see.
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SPC Larry Thompson
SGT Charles Aspinall - Thanks for the insight. I never said they were unprofessional though, however I do understand how you used it in your comment. I didn't serve in the reserves myself, so I wasn't clear just what the units were made of. I do know that, during basic training, I went through with some reserve and national guard people, so I know there are some that don't get the sense of readiness that those that are there after active duty have.
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SPC Larry Thompson
MSG Steve Wiersgalla - Thanks for the insight. You sound like a tough leader I would follow into hell and back. I salute you sir. Keep up the good fight.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
SPC Larry Thompson - How long do Active units train up for a deployment? Guard units are not activated and deployed the same weekend, they are sent somewhere to mobilization and POM just like an active unit, so training up and catching up on all the Quals, refitting and gear issue, etc. When that Guard unit hits the ground, they should have been in active training status for at least 60, and more likely 90+ before they deploy.
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In the unlikely event that they do, it's because they are ill-informed or need to have their headspace adjusted.
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PFC (Join to see)
Thank you Sir I have also been exposed to a little of that in reserves drilling with members of the 25 infantry it was very bothersome how they believe those stereotypes.
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Active Duty Soldiers do not hate reserve component (Reserve/National Guard) Soldiers, they might envy them that some have the opportunity to live in/around a familiar community. There are many with an elitist façade that one is better then the other however, those of us that are seasoned enough understand the value of each facet within these components and it is up to us to learn the rest!
While those on active duty might have particular strengths in one field/area, those in our reserve component bring an equal strength in their own right and often have specialized areas spanning multiple fields, whether it be the business, educational, science or technical industries it goes to strengthen our overall force and makes us more capable and a better force...don't get caught up in thinking that one hates the other, each brings their own strengths to make the whole better than its parts.
While those on active duty might have particular strengths in one field/area, those in our reserve component bring an equal strength in their own right and often have specialized areas spanning multiple fields, whether it be the business, educational, science or technical industries it goes to strengthen our overall force and makes us more capable and a better force...don't get caught up in thinking that one hates the other, each brings their own strengths to make the whole better than its parts.
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SSG Ronald Bihr
Well said, CSM sounds like many that I might over my years of service. Also meet others who didn't understand Reserves/Guard. Usually felt different after working with us after a few weeks, months.
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MSG Don H.
since starting my military career in the guard, I have been called Nasty Girl or a tampon since I only trained once a month by active duty soldiers. What active duty guys don't realize is that although we drill once a month, we are living our lives without a squad leader or Platoon SGT telling us what to do. We are getting our selves up in the morning, getting our selves to work and in some case our children to school. we are paying our bill, not living in a Army provided barracks. we are budgeting our money so we can buying groceries through out the month, not show our meal card four days before pay day because we spent our money on expensive car or partying.
what active duty unit guys don't realize is a number of us do civilian jobs similar to our Army job, when I ran the Bagram CI office I had two agent that were investigators with different police departments. I had another guys that work for Dell in their IT section. I had another soldier that had their master in English as our reports NCO.
what active duty unit guys don't realize is a number of us do civilian jobs similar to our Army job, when I ran the Bagram CI office I had two agent that were investigators with different police departments. I had another guys that work for Dell in their IT section. I had another soldier that had their master in English as our reports NCO.
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
I don't envy my brother at all being in the Guard or anyone. If I wanted to be Guard I would have been. My brother actually wishes he had gone active duty instead. I've thought about doing Guard and Reserve but I don't think I could do that after being active 13 years. I'll just do my 7 more and retire.
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PFC (Join to see)
SFC Fuerhoff it's got it's own degree of difficulty. I'm finding it tough sometime balancing civilian and military career because the demands get more extensive on the military side year by year and of course our employment is protected by law but still it just doesn't seem right how often we need excusing from work and some of my colleagues have experienced discrimination because of their reserve or guard obligations like being passed over for promotion and what not so its not cake like everyone says it is.
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