What Islam is and isn't! What are your thoughts?

LCpl Mark Lefler — Fri, 24 Apr 2015 10:53:52 -0400

I believe that all religions have good people and bad people, this is true through history of every religion including Christianity. I don't believe groups like ISIS or the Taliban follow islam as Mohammad would want it to be followed. Talking a college course in world religions and studying Islam, I've very convinced that the people in these groups are taking a piece of the Quran and twisting it to their personal version of it.

I guess I find it disturbing that many people feel all muslims should be killed off. i understand why there is this great hatred especially among those who have been to the MIddle East, I don't mean I know how they feel(since I was never there) but I can see why they do. Still it's always the radicals that get the attention not the peaceful people.

I think alot of the issues in the middle east really have to do with a poor economic situation for the common people, they live lifes that have no hope, no real money and they have nothing else but turn to believe in something, which happens to be sold by these horrid radicals. For those who have seen Generation Kill it goes back to the whole "chicks in bikini's" scene.

It's too bad that the worst of the worst are the ones that make the news.

Response by CPL Rob N. made Apr 24 at 2015 11:01 AM

CPL Rob N. — Fri, 24 Apr 2015 11:01:41 -0400

Traditionally that's how the news works. Whether it's international news or your local news, violence, hatred and related stories take precedence.

Response by SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. made Apr 24 at 2015 11:49 AM

SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. — Fri, 24 Apr 2015 11:49:14 -0400

I think this is what characterizes fundamentalist thought.
Fundamentalist have very low threshold of tolerance in what is acceptable in other people.
The problem with fundamentalist thought is you can't accept the concept of any of your doctrine might be false because if any can be false, than all can be false. Add to this the concept that anyone who does not believe in your doctrine is a heretic or an infidel or whatever and it is your sacred duty to convert or die.

The folks in the middle east have been religiously split (Shia / Sunni) since the death of the prophet. As far as they are concerned they are fighting for the fundamental truth of their religion.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Apr 24 at 2015 1:02 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Fri, 24 Apr 2015 13:02:34 -0400

They have two centers of gravity: Their Ideology and the large number of fighters.

1. Their ideology is killing Shias, and returning the religion back to the 700s. They take on the role of being the Islamic ruler, killing infidels, and others who do not conform to their proclamations. Being a martyr guarantees entrance to heaven. Ideology takes generations to defeat sometimes. Look at how much time the South required to change after the Civil War.

2. Mao Zedong, a revolutionary who ruled China, wrote down his steps to insurgency which is pretty universal for insurgencies: (please give me literary license because my memory sucks). ISIS has a lot of fighters.
a. An elite in society will start the insurgency.
b. The leader will recruit cadre.
c. Cadre will recruit foot soldiers through ideology or by violence.
d. They will provide services to communities.
e. The insurgents will use asymmetric warfare against the government.
f . The insurgency will grow to a size to slug it out with government forces.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 24 at 2015 1:02 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 24 Apr 2015 13:02:35 -0400

LCpl Mark Lefler ,

I believe that there are people who make good selfless decisions and people who make bad decisions. Ultimately, people make bad selfish decisions at some point in their lives.

I'm not entirely sure about the Taliban, but I believe ISIS is taking the letter of the Koran. They are following in the footsteps of their prophet. He told his followers to lie to the unbelievers and to kill them where ever they could find them. Mohammad was a warlord(not forgetting he married a 9 year old girl) who slaugthered anyone who opposed him. Mohammad's last dying words was to kill the jews.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Apr 24 at 2015 2:13 PM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Fri, 24 Apr 2015 14:13:20 -0400

I've never understood why the word "fundamentalist" gets used as a get out of blame free card... If following the fundamentals of your faith makes someone a danger/a terrorist/an extremist, perhaps it's time to reexamine the faith..

Response by LCpl Mark Lefler made Apr 24 at 2015 2:43 PM

LCpl Mark Lefler — Fri, 24 Apr 2015 14:43:24 -0400

Something I do want to make clear, I'm not advocating one religion or another, I'm an atheist if I had to pick a religion it'd be closer to Shintoism or Confucianism not Judeo Christianism. I just think Islam because of the radicals is being seen in a way the founder of it did not intend.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 25 at 2015 12:46 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:46:54 -0400

I think we're past a point of no return - no matter what it is or isn't, the violent savages run most of their lands/groups, and have an agenda, not matter who's fault, to expand and assimilate. It might have started just like any other religion, but as I mentioned in another discussion here, only the violent are the vocal ones, it seems, with the rest just falling in regardless of their beliefs or ideology. To add to it, with current events, I don't think there would be an appropriate time, place or reason to go into it further and explore it, but rather contain it.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 28 at 2015 7:55 AM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 28 Sep 2015 07:55:59 -0400

Islam is a religion develop to run as a government, just like back in Dark Age. The different is Christian evolved and Islam stay the same. Islam will need to go through what Christian gone through before it can get better ...

The bad news is ... as of right now, I still haven't see a movement inside Islam to reform itself.

Response by PV2 Scott Goodpasture made Dec 13 at 2015 4:53 PM

PV2 Scott Goodpasture — Sun, 13 Dec 2015 16:53:24 -0500

The order to kill, maim, behead, rape, crucify, cut the feet and hands on opposite sides of the infidel date back to 1400 years ago. Those orders are being printed by the millions in each fresh koran coming off the press. These are the same verses that have been gracing the pages of this benevolent peaceful koran as PC would have it. Here are some samples:
Ishaq:208 Now we bound ourselves to war against all mankind for Allah and His Apostle.
He promised us a reward in Paradise for faithful service. We pledged ourselves
to war in complete obedience to Muhammad no matter how evil the circumstances."

Sura 9:121 Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them.”
Bukhari:V1B11N626 “The Prophet said, “burn all those who had not left their houses for the prayer,
burning them alive inside their homes.’”

(Women)
Tabari IX:113 Treat women well for they are like domestic animals, they possess nothing themselves.
Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur'an."

Sura 48:29 - Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are ruthless against the
non-muslims and merciful among themselves.

Sura 9:30 - And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the
son of Allah... Allah (Himself) fights against them. How perverse are they!

Sura 8:12 - I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and
strike off every fingertip of them.

Sura 9:123 - O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them
find in you hardness

Sura 5:33 The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make
mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and
their feet should be cut off on opposite sides.

Sura 8:55 Surely the filthiest of animals in Allah's sight are non-muslims.

Qur'an 8:39 "Wage war on non-muslims and kill them until they submit and the only religion is Islam."

Qur'an 9:5 "Fight and kill non-muslims wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them,
lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of jihad."

Ishaq:289 "Muhammad summoned the Muslims and said, 'This is the Quraysh caravan containing
their property. Go out and attack it. Perhaps Allah will give it to us as loot."

Qur'an 8:12 "I shall terrorize non-muslims. So cut their bodies and cut off their limbs.
because they oppose allah and His prophet"

Tabari VIII:141 "The war cry of the Muslims of Allah was: 'Kill! Kill! Kill!

Qur'an 3:150 "Soon We muslims shall strike terror into the hearts of non-muslims.

Tabari VIII:116 "So Muhammad began stealing their herds and their property bit by bit.

Ishaq:327 "Allah said, 'A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives.

Bukhari:V4B52N220 "Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been made victorious with terror.'"

Qur'an:8:67 "It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter.

Qur'an 7:3 "Little do you remember My warning. How many civilizations have We destroyed.

Ishaq:588 "When muhammad descends on your land none of your people will be left.

Bukhari:V5B59N512 "The Prophet had their men killed, their children and woman taken captive."

Tabari VII:11 "The Messenger of Allah went out on a raid as far as Waddan, searching for Quraysh."

Bukhari:V5B59N401 "Allah's Wrath became severe on anyone the Prophet killed in Allah's Cause."

Ishaq:297 "When the Apostle saw them he cried, 'Allah, they called me a liar. Destroy them!!!

Qur'an:4:77 "Allah, why have You ordained killing for us, why have You made war compulsory?"

B24N555 "The Prophet said, 'Allah hates you for asking too many questions.'"

Ishaq:567 "Muhammad informed Umar [the second Caliph], and he called the Prophet a liar."

Ishaq:323 "Allah and his Messenger are the best of deceivers.

Qur'an 5:119 "Allah will say: This is the day on which the Muslims will profit from Islam..."

Qur'an 5:10 "Those who reject, disbelieve and deny Our signs, proofs and verses will be companions of Hell-Fire."

Qur'an 8:39 "So fight them until there is no more non-Muslims and all submit to the religion of Allah alone.

Ishaq:595 "The Apostle said, 'Get him away from me and cut off his tongue.'"

Qur'an 2:104 "To those who don't submit there is a grievous punishment."

Qur'an 3:85 "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (Surrender), never will it be accepted.

Qur'an 3:141 "This is so that Allah may test the faithful and destroy the unbelieving non-muslims."

Bukhari:V9B87N113 "The Prophet said, 'A good dream is from Allah, and a bad dream is from Satan.'"

Ishaq:243 "the Apostle said: 'Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal!'
He was a black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes

Bukhari:V4B51N73 "Allah's Apostle said, 'Know that Paradise is under the shade of swords.'"

Qur'an:8:7 "Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: 'Wipe disbelievers out to the last.'"

Qur'an 80:17 "Be cursed man! He has self-destructed. From what stuff did He create him? From nutfa
(male and female semen drops) He created him and set him in due proportion."

Qur'an 5:51 "muslims!, take not Jews and Christians for your friends."

Qur'an 3:19 "Lo! religion with Allah (is) Surrender."

Tabari VII:85 "Muhammad killed many Quraysh polytheists at Badr."

Bukhari:V1B1N6 "Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country."

Tabari VII:97 "The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, 'Kill any Jew.

Bukhari:V4B52N260 "The Prophet said, 'If a Muslim discards his religion, kill him.'"

Response by SSG Jay OConnor made Feb 26 at 2016 12:31 PM

SSG Jay OConnor — Fri, 26 Feb 2016 12:31:32 -0500

I took World Religions also and I gotta say, I thought that class was a joke. You learn much more about Islam by reading the Quran. Granted, I didn't read the entire thing but I did read much of it. So here's my take. Islam is, in fact a Monotheistic, Geo-Political agenda, under the guise of a religion. To break it down Barney style, it basically says their goal is to force all Infidels to convert to Islam or pay a heave tax for as long as they don't convert and if they refuse to pay, they have authority to kill you, so essentially you convert or pay or die. They intend to go from country to country, imbedding Islam into every facet of every government in every country until their influence is so great it cannot be stopped. They are allowed to lie, cheat, and murder to achieve their goals. It even says, if you do not obey and follow EVERY WORD of the Quran, you will be killed. So all the o called moderates will be killed when the real Muslims take over. So does any of this sound familiar? Do you see any of this happening now in our country? If your answer is no then you are very naive. Any (so called) religion that is monotheistic cannot be civil. It is an animalistic belief and should be abolished from our country. This (religion) will ruin the American way of life.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 15 at 2016 11:37 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 15 Sep 2016 23:37:55 -0400

Islam is not now nor has it ever been a true religion it is the teachings of one man named mohammed who took bits and pieces of other religions in order to justify his beliefs in terrorism and torture and was conceived in the twisted mind of a thief and murderer who by his own words teaches that it is a governing set of regulations on how the araib world should be run

Response by SPC Greg Carr made Apr 19 at 2017 10:28 PM

SPC Greg Carr — Wed, 19 Apr 2017 22:28:49 -0400

I think this PBS documentary will help us all get a bit more educated on this topic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHhbSvOcz4g

Islam: Empire of Faith [PBS Documentary]

Link to Original Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s59LfXGMyjY