What is your stance on women in the military?

2018-04-13T18:48:28-04:00

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Apr 13 at 2018 7:10 PM

2018-04-13T19:10:11-04:00

I could not respond to your pool as i dont agree with any of the offerings. You were close though.
" Humans should be allowed in all roles, as long as they meet THE standards."
That would be Mental, Physical, Health, security, drug use, ect ect.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Apr 13 at 2018 7:21 PM

2018-04-13T19:21:56-04:00

An old article by former Democrat Senator
Jim Web. Most of what he says expresses my stance.

https://www.washingtonian.com/1979/11/01/jim-webb-women-cant-fight/

Jim Webb: Women Can't Fight | Washingtonian

From the November 1979 Washingtonian We would go months without bathing, except when we could stand naked among each other next to a village well or in a stream or in the muddy water of a bomb crater. It was...

Response by SN Greg Wright made Apr 13 at 2018 8:00 PM

2018-04-13T20:00:22-04:00

#1 and #3 are the same thing. Just saying. Women should be allowed to do any job they can qualify for, and should NOT be pushed into jobs that they can't qualify for as individuals.

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Apr 13 at 2018 8:38 PM

2018-04-13T20:38:57-04:00

Standards are defined by policy. There is a common misunderstanding that Males & Females have different "Standards." They do not. Both Males & Females must pass a PFT and adhere to Grooming as defined by Regulation and Order aka the "Standard." However, there may be slight deviations within specific proxies or metrics because humans are not all built the same, and the DoD acknowledges that within said Orders & Regulations, stating that we WILL use Science Based Methodology to develop said Standards (the Standards must NOT be arbitrary).

This is where the confusion comes into play. Male and Female "machines" can be paralleled to rifles and pistols on a range. Both have huge advantages as well as disadvantages. If you tried to judge either on the other's range, you would end up with skewed results, hence the need for different proxies (like Flex arm hang vs pull up or different run times on a PFT).

This does not mean you cannot have Objective Tests when testing for specific tests, but remember that combat happens to you, not the other way around. It's great to set high(er) standards for those you expect to face combat, but it's a disservice to think that combat can't happen to any of us, and that the truck driver who is hauling someone from point A to point B won't need to drag you out when that IED happens....

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 13 at 2018 11:06 PM

2018-04-13T23:06:05-04:00

Thank you for all of your replies! This will be useful in my assignment.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 13 at 2018 11:10 PM

2018-04-13T23:10:08-04:00

Women have been and are a vital part of our military. Men and women military members are fine in any MOS as long as they meet the standards.

Response by SGT Eric Davis made Apr 14 at 2018 12:41 AM

2018-04-14T00:41:24-04:00

If they can do the job then let them but when they can’t do the job their excuse should not be cause they are a woman!

Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made Apr 14 at 2018 7:54 AM

2018-04-14T07:54:08-04:00

Have no problem, we had 5 attached to our unit when I was in, and they did the same thing we did.

Response by PO1 Lucinda Cindy Brown Shephard made Apr 15 at 2018 12:13 PM

2018-04-15T12:13:33-04:00

I served during the Vietnam War in the Navy in a rating that had just opened up for women and we women were not allowed to serve onboard ships (except the hospital ships). It was very frustrating to be so limited. We were accused of "stealing" the men's shore opportunities at the same time being limited to just shore billets! It was damned if we did and damned if we didn't. I get that men and women are different in physical, mental, and emotional makeup. That's how God made us. But if a woman can do the job, meet and maintain the standards required of that job, she should be allowed.

Response by SPC David Willis made Apr 17 at 2018 12:31 PM

2018-04-17T12:31:58-04:00

Women in combat roles who meet the same standards as men would be invaluable. Having women in line units would make patrols or searches of homes much easier. Units wouldn't have to take straps or additional personnel with them that may not be up to par with their standards, and in some cases wouldn't have to leave a shooter behind to make space a female intel soldier who is only there to search women or speak to them if one of the organic SM is a female already.