What is your opinion of the new NCOER?

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 06 May 2015 15:45:46 -0400

With the new NCOER approaching fast and training starting to kickoff many people seem to look stunned when they realize that they may not be the cream of the crop because your senior rater is now limited to a percentage of how many they can give.

I believe this is a great system because it now forces true ratings instead of inflated ones and it will really allow those exceling to stand out.

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Response by MSG William Wold made May 6 at 2015 4:09 PM

MSG William Wold — Wed, 06 May 2015 16:09:50 -0400

I have been thru several revisions of the NCOER even before they were called an NCOER, and had to do "points"..
At the end of each class presentation, (before power point) the instructor told us basically that if you didn't give the person so many points, he's done.
Glad I don't have to do any of that anymore.
Even when the "new NCOER came out, the "bullet" statements even with training and numerous power point classes, it was not very clear. One persons opinion of what I wrote about someone would mean something else to someone else. You had to get into the final raters head and think like them so you as the first line rater could portray the soldier in the light that you actually wanted them to be portrayed.
My son is about to be promoted into a position he's going to ramp up big time to having to do all this stuff and has asked my opinion or guidance; I told him better look somewhere else for that because there is too much revision since I retired.
I truly hope that the revision has actually the ability to do what you say it will do, because everyone of the changes in the past eventually failed to accomplish that.

Response by SGM Matthew Quick made May 6 at 2015 7:18 PM

SGM Matthew Quick — Wed, 06 May 2015 19:18:52 -0400

Holds the rated NCO (setting goals/expectations/understanding), rater (counseling/limits over-inflation)and senior rater (counseling) accountable.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made May 8 at 2015 8:28 AM

CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 08 May 2015 08:28:54 -0400

After rating NCO's under the current system, the soldiers is rated against himself so the inflated 1/1 or 1/2 is impractical. With the new system, its more like the Navy, you are rated amongst your peers to see where each soldier falls within the command. I think it is a welcome "wake up call" for those soldiers that do the bare minimum and get great NCOER's. I'm very curious as to how this is going to affect the army as a whole after this September 15.