What is your advice for Females joining the ranks of the combat jobs in the Military?

SSG Bethany Viglietta — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 11:29:40 -0400

I am an Army Recruiter and it would be great to share.

As we gear up to ship out some of our first female Future Soldiers in combat jobs, I ask of the members of RP, what is your advice for these young soldiers?

Please keep it constructive and nothing along the lines of they shouldn't be able to serve in these positions because that ship has sailed and opinions about how they should not serve in these positions are not going to change anything.

Edit: The conversation among RP members about mentoring these service members is amazing. Honestly, I did not know what to expect when I started the thread, because this is a subject many feel strong about. Thank you so much for all of your advice thus far, I cannot wait to share it with our female and male recruits and hope you share it in your ranks/communities as well. Together we are molding the future of the military.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Apr 22 at 2016 11:37 AM

SGM Erik Marquez — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 11:37:56 -0400

My advice? and worth every penny...
Just go and do.
if the unit does it right there will be NO changes..
You either can complete the program of instruction or can not .. don't ask for anything special, if the task is to move something you can not, it's not because you're a female, it's because the SM tasked with the mission needs help. .. that's it.....figure out what to do and accomplish the mission.
Color and gender has no place in the Military

Willing and able
mission accomplishment
Is all that matters..

And yes... I thought that way when i was in..so not trying to push something just because Im no longer living it.

Response by Capt Tom Brown made Apr 22 at 2016 11:39 AM

Capt Tom Brown — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 11:39:04 -0400

We're going through a time of social and cultural change, some say good some say PC motivated. Young women nowadays esp are at the tip of the spear of this change and all eyes are on them. I would be sure I was totally motivated to excel in every detail every day 24/7 and never let it be said that if, for any reason, I crash and burn on the drop zone, it was 'because I was a woman'. Best wishes to you all.

Response by 1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2016 11:40 AM

1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 11:40:27 -0400

Take nothing for granted, expect nothing glamorous, expect to be treated like everyone else, because in the grunts no one is special. But most importantly, have fun.

Response by SGT Teresa Puszert made Apr 22 at 2016 11:48 AM

SGT Teresa Puszert — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 11:48:24 -0400

My advice to them would be stay strong and confident in all situations. Take emotion out of it and do your job to the best of your ability. Perform with equality and you've earned the right to demand the same professional respect and acknowledgment that your male counter-parts enjoy. And finally, help and support each other making sure to check the drama at the door.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2016 12:01 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 12:01:46 -0400

Personally I am a bit concerned in how we ensure the right intent is at the forefront of those who join. I say this about all recruits in general and not just females. I don't see any issue with those females coming to combat arms but I only hope they come for the right reasons. It shouldn't be just to be the first or for attention. They should join to slay bad guys and close with & destroy the enemy. After all that is what we do.

My biggest concern is the potential of joining the senior ranks of the infantry. If you want to be a successful infantry leader you are expected to go to Ranger School. Just about every infantry officer is tabbed and the majority of those in senior enlisted billets. It is just an expectation out there. If a new soldier, male or female, wants to be successful in the infantry they should realize this is a logical step to advance their career. So far after the initial three were successful we haven't had another. But that is not saying that they can't be more. But when you are an SGT in the infantry and you are going to a board with 3 other SGTs and they are all Ranger Qualified you will most likely be placed at the bottom of the list of those at the board. It has nothing to do with sex or gender but it is just how the infantry operates. But we will see how this plays out. I hope the expectation of going to Ranger never diminishes and the best of luck to those that try.

Response by CPT Joseph K Murdock made Apr 22 at 2016 12:05 PM

CPT Joseph K Murdock — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 12:05:40 -0400

There will be times when you are tired and sleepy, your lungs will be on pure fire, but there will be times when the things come together to shine the brilliance of what you are doing.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2016 12:10 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 12:10:56 -0400

I have always felt that as long as ANYONE can meet the set standard and get the mission done, then it's no skin off me.

Response by LCpl Chad Parson made Apr 22 at 2016 12:12 PM

LCpl Chad Parson — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 12:12:56 -0400

As others have said, make sure that regardless of gender, you are doing it for the right reasons. I don't have any doubts that women can and will be effective in combat positions, and any remaining resistence in the combat branches will adjust accordingly once that is shown. The great and terrible test of any unit's combat effectiveness isn't one that can be faked or fudged. Leaders either get their people home or not, and we either accomplish the mission or we don't.

Response by MSG Brad Sand made Apr 22 at 2016 12:27 PM

MSG Brad Sand — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 12:27:29 -0400

My advice to the recruiters...get them to MEPS (either drive them to the hotel or put them on the bus to the hotel). Make sure they are ready for BCT. Make sure they have a copy of all their ship documents, ETC. About this time, you are saying to yourself, 'That is what we do for al DEP/DTPs?' That is the actual answer, ship them to training.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2016 12:27 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 12:27:56 -0400

Be sure of the your commitment. No one will judge you unfairly if your abilities fall short. If your commitment falls short, you risk that label being generally applied to everyone who follows behind you.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2016 12:29 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 12:29:42 -0400

With the new Soldier 2020 Program, many new changes will be coming, and this is one of them. Soldiers will be trained to standard regardless of gender. Many barriers will be removed, thus allowing talent to show on areas that have been closed before. Just because one male is a 300 PT stud does not equate to them being able to carry a M2 and place it as needed, as I have seen females be able to complete this with no difficulty. Change is coming, sure, I may not be in when it does, but leaders need to understand why the Soldier 2020 Program is being placed, and what it is meant for the future of the Army.

Response by SSG William Schaffer made Apr 22 at 2016 12:33 PM

SSG William Schaffer — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 12:33:29 -0400

Simple. Mission first, then the welfare of your Soldiers.

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Apr 22 at 2016 12:35 PM

Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 12:35:41 -0400

Every job in the military is a "combat job." I believe you mean Combat Arms as opposed to Combat Support or Combat Service Support.

1) Remember just because you do CS/CSS doesn't mean you won't end up with CA units (My first unit was a Grunt BN).
2) Pick a career field that sounds interesting. If that's Admin, pick Admin. If that's Combat Engineers, pick CE. If that's Infantry, pick Infantry. It's up to the "system" to prove you can't do something, not "people within the system."
3) Don't do something to promote an agenda. Do something because you want to do it, or because you want to challenge yourself. Doubts are fine, but if you don't willingly choose it, you're going to hate it. Be committed to your choice.
4) No matter what unit you go to, there's going to be a lot of Suck. And there's going to be a lot of Fun. It's up to you to focus on the latter. If you focus on the former... your time will reflect that.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2016 12:36 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 12:36:01 -0400

Advice? I would say:

Pay attention (stay the course )
Stay Motivated!!!!
Keep Going (no matter what happens).

Response by SSG Richard Reilly made Apr 22 at 2016 12:48 PM

SSG Richard Reilly — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 12:48:05 -0400

Don't get pregnant?
I know that seems like a horrible thing to say but you train with a team and that team learns to rely on you. Then you get pregnant and they lose you as a force multiplier leaves a hole in the chain. I do believe females can enhance the combat force. But I also seen females hurt it through pregnancies and other issues.

Response by CW3 Stephen Bacon made Apr 22 at 2016 12:55 PM

CW3 Stephen Bacon — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 12:55:39 -0400

Bethany:

In a 21 year career, I have seen basically 2 types of service women.

Those who think they need to put themselves out front and be "recognized" all the time. I.E. "Look at me, see how hard I work, see me"?? And those who just get the job done. Act like one of the group, don't look for special privileges, etc. My best advice to any woman going into a combat role. Use your training. Listen to those who know more. Get the best experience out of it you can. BE YOURSELF!

Response by Cpl Jon Westbrook made Apr 22 at 2016 1:37 PM

Cpl Jon Westbrook — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 13:37:15 -0400

Be prepared to not have any privacy.
Nothing is off limits when it comes to humor.
The Infantry are not happy about women joining.
There is going to be some jealousy and flirting.
You will be expected to maintain the same standards as everyone else.
You will be expected to keep up with everyone else.
If you cant hack it you will probably end your career after four years because they will label You a shitbag and treat you as such.

Look the bottom line here is that the combat arms guys don't see women like the rest of the military. Its black and white, either you can keep up or you cant. If you can then there wont be many issues, but if you cant youre going to have a long 4 years. These guys are already disgruntled about this, so women are facing an uphill battle here. You have to go in with the mindset that youre going to show them all you can handle it. If they adopt that mindset and strive to outperform their peers they'll do fine. But like I said, this is an all male field. Its like being the only girl on an all male football team. Nothing is off limits and don't expect special treatment.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2016 1:38 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 13:38:07 -0400

Be prepared for some culture shock. There are social graces and norms women enjoy in civilian life they will most likely not find in their unit. I've heard a good Infantry Squad Leader described as an "Equal Opportunity Asshole" during a firefight. None of it is personal.

There are also social norms that they'll be expected to move past. If they're not comfortable urinating in the woodline, not showering for days, or changing their shirt in front of their squad combat arms is probably not the career path for them.

Response by CPT Pedro Meza made Apr 22 at 2016 1:52 PM

CPT Pedro Meza — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 13:52:17 -0400

In 1985 while in Colombia I went up against two well trained female guerrilla fighters of the M-19 group, my take away from that experience is that well trained and armed women are deadly when employed properly. The two ladies followed and shadow my team and Colombian ARMY escorts by blending in with the locals, in essence they stalks/hunted us, and at a restaurant for their amusement they sent be a beer with the message "Your Time will come LT". Bethany, tell your female recruits to always be flexible because weak men will challenge them, but tenacity combined with training will develop their fighting skills, and this gives them an advantage against these misguided religious idiots we are fighting. "Carpe diem is translated "seize the day",

Response by LTC Paul Labrador made Apr 22 at 2016 1:55 PM

LTC Paul Labrador — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 13:55:20 -0400

I would say that if they want to play with the boys, they need to be prepared to be treated as one of the boys...and not get their feathers ruffled when they do. If they do that, they will likely find acceptance. If they try to act like they are a special snowflake deserving of special treatment, they will find themselves ostracized.

Response by COL Mikel J. Burroughs made Apr 22 at 2016 2:11 PM

COL Mikel J. Burroughs — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 14:11:13 -0400

SSG Bethany Viglietta Super Question. Just be prepared mentality and phsysically to meet the standards, exepct the unexpected, be self-motivated, and don't expect any special treatment. At all times be professional, maintain the core values, and remember the reason you are there - to serve your country! I think there will be a lot of successful women!

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Response by LTC Gregory Bishop made Apr 22 at 2016 2:14 PM

LTC Gregory Bishop — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 14:14:42 -0400

My advice is just meet the standard and don't accept the DoD's urge to lower them. I think that if a group of women service members (enlisted and officer leadership) collectively sent a message to DoD leadership expressing that while they appreciate the DoD's confidence and support, they (women) don't want the standards to be dropped just in order to get females in the combat ranks. Women would gain respect from the entire force and possibly help prevent this political move from getting out of hand.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2016 2:14 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 14:14:46 -0400

My advice to put it lightly is just to not to expect everything to be handed to you just because you're a female. You'll have to push yourself even after duty hours to be an equal. And I guess just to not expect special treatment. They need to understand in uniform you aren't male or female, you are a soldier what one is expected to do others will be expected to do.

Response by SFC Stephen King made Apr 22 at 2016 2:18 PM

SFC Stephen King — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 14:18:49 -0400

SSG Bethany Viglietta personally no matter what gender a person is doesn't matter. Job performance is key. Pass the course, do the job. Standards will be enforced all need to be flexible, adaptive and tough mentally and physically. Balance

Response by SFC J Fullerton made Apr 22 at 2016 2:20 PM

SFC J Fullerton — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 14:20:39 -0400

My advice to them would be the same as any other Future Soldier regardless of gender or MOS. My advice to you, as the FS Squad Leader, is to ensure you use every resource available to you to prepare them mentally for OSUT. Do not sugar coat anything. I have been there, I know the pain of DEP losses. Sometimes we are so afraid of creating any anxiety or second thoughts that we try to shelter them from anything negative. In the end, we are not doing them any favors. They will be better prepared mentally to succeed when they know as much as they can up front. Helps minimize that fear of the unknown and gives them some self-confidence going in on what to expect.

Response by PV2 Marge Carden made Apr 22 at 2016 3:49 PM

PV2 Marge Carden — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 15:49:03 -0400

Females have been in combat zones forever now they are being recognized for being there. My advice for anyone male or female if you CAN NOT do the job go in a different direction. Women have worked too hard to earn respect to have it thrown away by someone not mentally or physically able to do the job. ( When I served in the late 70's we had to work twice as hard to prove we could do our jobs and nothing made me madder than to see a girl bat her eyes to get a man to carry her stuff or do her job for her. It was a insult to all of the women that had taken crap for her to be there.)

Response by Capt Brandon Charters made Apr 22 at 2016 4:01 PM

Capt Brandon Charters — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 16:01:26 -0400

SSG Bethany Viglietta This has to be one of the best questions I've seen posted in several weeks. Kudos to you for asking such a valuable question.

Response by SPC David S. made Apr 22 at 2016 4:35 PM

SPC David S. — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 16:35:45 -0400

Wow, what a great question considering what's going on in the military with combat roles.
I guess the same advice I would tell any guy going into combat arms - Do your job, do it right, mission first, and charlie mike.

Response by SSG Dennis Grossmann made Apr 22 at 2016 4:41 PM

SSG Dennis Grossmann — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 16:41:31 -0400

Be thick skinned. Know the difference between making a better soldier and actual harrassment. Build muscle, ruck marches are hard for everyone so don't be the weak link. I'm proud to have had some really great soldiers that just happened to be female. Dirtbags come in all flavors. Learn as much as you can about everything that pertains to your job. Never consider yourself weak if you need help, but also don't be afraid to give help. Enjoy the lifestyle of the grunts, scouts, engineers, line mechanics, tankers, etc. Remember to be treated with respect, not coddled. I wish All of the future combat arms the best of luck. My Grandmother was one of the first WACS, and my mother also served, so thank you All for taking time to read my jumbled paragraph.

Response by CPT Joseph K Murdock made Apr 22 at 2016 5:19 PM

CPT Joseph K Murdock — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 17:19:46 -0400

This is your time to shine as you are on the leading edge of change. Don't let the boys get to you. You try your best and that is what we ask of you.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2016 5:24 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 17:24:30 -0400

Never give up, no mater how cold, wet, tired, miserable, no mater how heavy the pack is, no matter how far the distance, never quit. If you quit once, you'll quit again, so dont ever let yourself quit.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2016 5:36 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 17:36:22 -0400

SSG Bethany Viglietta Study hard and learn your job and the jobs of those around you. Have the backs of your brothers and sisters, and they will have yours.

Response by LTC Peter Hartman made Apr 22 at 2016 5:56 PM

LTC Peter Hartman — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 17:56:03 -0400

Get in the best shape possible. Get a pack and do lots of road marches. Work up to 45 lbs. and 12 miles. You have to have tough feet or be able to walk with bad blisters. It doesn't matter which so long as you can perform.

Response by 1stSgt Eugene Harless made Apr 22 at 2016 6:13 PM

1stSgt Eugene Harless — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 18:13:30 -0400

Tell them to get used to smelling like foot and ass for weeks on end, being treated like a pack mule and hurting in places they never knew existed.

Response by SPC Michael Mullins made Apr 22 at 2016 6:31 PM

SPC Michael Mullins — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 18:31:29 -0400

My only advise is to not wear your emotions on your sleeve, and remember the type of soldier that makes the best grunt tends to walk a thin line between confident and cocky so they may seem arrogant. Also grunts are highly competitive so don't be afraid to push yourself to be as good as or better than them in any event, pt included.

Response by SGT Jonathon Caldwell made Apr 22 at 2016 7:20 PM

SGT Jonathon Caldwell — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 19:20:53 -0400

FM 3-21.8 learn it, like it, live it

INFANTRY 1-2. Of all branches in the U.S. Army, the Infantry is unique because its core competency is founded on the individual Soldier—the Infantry rifleman. While other branches tend to focus on weapon systems and platforms to accomplish their mission, the Infantry alone relies almost exclusively on the human dimension of the individual rifleman to close with and destroy the enemy. This Soldier-centric approach fosters an environment that places the highest value on individual discipline, personal initiative, and performanceoriented leadership. The Infantry ethos is encapsulated by its motto: Follow Me! 1-3. Although the battlefield may be entered from a differing range of platforms, all types of Infantry must be able to fight on their feet. To perform this role, each type possesses two distinguishing qualities. First, Infantry are able to move almost anywhere under almost any condition. Second, Infantry can generate a high volume of lethal well-aimed small arms fire for a short time in any direction. Neither movement nor fire are exclusively decisive. However, combined fire and movement win engagements. These two strengths reveal three distinct vulnerabilities to Infantry. First, once committed it is difficult to adjust the Infantry’s line of advance due to its limited tactical mobility. Second, determining the Infantryman’s load required to accomplish the mission is always in conflict with preserving his physical ability to fight the enemy. Third, Infantry are particularly susceptible to the harsh conditions of combat, the effects of direct and indirect fire, the physical environment, and moral factors. OFFENSIVE AND DEFENSIVE COMBAT 1-4. Infantry platoons and squads have a distinct position on the battlefield—the point of decision. Their actions take place at the point where all of the plans from higher headquarters meet the enemy in close combat. This role requires leaders at all levels to quickly understand the situation, make decisions, and fight the enemy to accomplish the mission. Offensive close combat has the objective of seizing terrain and destroying the adversary. Defensive close combat denies an area to the adversary and protects friendly forces for future operations. Both types constitute the most difficult and costly sorts of combat operations.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2016 7:49 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 19:49:42 -0400

Don't get pregnant.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2016 8:47 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 20:47:37 -0400

Do your job! The military isn't what you thought it would be. Nor is it what the men thougjt it would be. DO WHAT YOU ARE TOLD! Unless it is immoral or will harm you.

Response by SGT Jay Ehrenfeld made Apr 22 at 2016 8:59 PM

SGT Jay Ehrenfeld — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 20:59:05 -0400

Then they need to sign up for draft

Response by SGT Kim Stavros made Apr 22 at 2016 9:27 PM

SGT Kim Stavros — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 21:27:46 -0400

I tell any female who is joining the military in general: if you cannot take some of the comments and dish them back out then don't join. Not saying the comments are acceptable but it is reality. It is a male dominated world and being realistic is important. For the combat MOSs, I would look at realizing the barriers you are attempting to break. Just because congress says you have to be allowed into the position doesn't mean people are gonna respect you right away. I went through BCT with a combat engineer unit but I wasn't a combat engineer and all the DS in the company always told the 8 total females to never give the makes a reason to think less of us, don't let them see us as weak more than they already will. You are a soldier first, than a lady. And tell them to keep their sense of humor.

Response by Sgt William Barr made Apr 22 at 2016 10:45 PM

Sgt William Barr — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 22:45:57 -0400

take out a lot of ins and write your will. Hope you are assigned to a hard charger

Response by SPC Kenneth Koerperich made Apr 23 at 2016 1:06 AM

SPC Kenneth Koerperich — Sat, 23 Apr 2016 01:06:18 -0400

If your signing them & sending them into CA units, the very first question should be: "If you go to war, are you prepared to KILL or Be Killed?" No matter what training you have, there are people out there, who once they get put into the situation of do or die, they freeze up. This is a serious problem, & if the recruits are not prepared to do this, they should not be joining CA units. They are a liability that isn't needed.

Next question is, "Are you just trying to be PC/the first to do this, thinking it's going to advance you?" This is not acceptable either.
Last question, and touched on by a lot of RP members. Are you prepared to live w/ males who are rude, most foul mouthed, ass scratching, butt kicking bastards there are? While doing this, you will have no privacy, very few meals, no showers, hump un-godly amounts of miles w/ an un-godly heavy ruck, w/ little to no sleep?

If they answer yes, then sign them up & hope for the best. If they answer no, then find them a better MOS suited to their "safe" lifestyle.

CA units are not for the weak minded or faint hearted. Be prepared to push yourself to your limits & beyond. Before you do this, you have to be mentally tough, and willing to do what it takes. Just saying it doesn't make it so you can survive in the unit.

I remember one field exercise, average ruck weight 145 lbs, average distance traveled per night for 5 nights in a row, was 20 miles. Sun down to sun up. "Pretend mission Mr. Light Infantry, no support units, take the objective. Your here, it's WAAAAAYYYY over there." We humped every night, slept in hidey holes every day. Remember hearing the 1Sgt, who was a SpecForce/Recon from Nam, actually say, "Since when did I become a "flipping" mt. goat. We humped the mt range @ Hungry Lizard all 5 nights. Ended w/ half the unit ate up, yet we still completed the task @ the end of 5 days.

This is just 1 example of what CA units do, & I did this constantly for 3 years.

So prepare your new SM's properly. It's no cake walk/walk in the park.

Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made Apr 23 at 2016 6:20 AM

SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth — Sat, 23 Apr 2016 06:20:38 -0400

Stay alert, listen to the squad, team, or platoon leader, and there will be no problems, and everyone will get along and work well together.

Response by SFC Carey Cox made Apr 23 at 2016 9:01 AM

SFC Carey Cox — Sat, 23 Apr 2016 09:01:00 -0400

Not to. Women have no business in the infantry. They will be nothing but a complete burden. They will not carry their weight, they will have to be constantly separated in garrison. And tell me this! How in the world is a women in a combat zone going to relieve herself without showing her privates. Then there is the problem with their menstual cycle. Infantry goes weeks at a time without showers in combat. I guarantee you women in the infantry is going to be a complete disaster!

Response by Sgt John Steinmeier made Apr 23 at 2016 9:16 AM

Sgt John Steinmeier — Sat, 23 Apr 2016 09:16:50 -0400

Prior to doing anything else I would recommend to the prospect she hang out with a large group of guys (preferably younger combat MOS veterans) for 30-45 days every day all day. Tell them there is no filter and to act and talk as if she were a guy. If she can complete that time frame without being offended or totally disgusted with the topics of conversations, and not in a relationship with one of the guys then we'll discuss career opportunities.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 23 at 2016 9:50 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 23 Apr 2016 09:50:06 -0400

Staff Sergeant, Thanks for the qualifier and I'm sure a professional would offer nothing but support. Were I still active, my comments to the naysayers would be; We have been given a mission and we will complete this mission. Both my son and daughter in-law went to West Point and I gave my son one sentence; They will try to make you quit. The results were evident, two grads, two professionals, and more pride than an old dog-face/swabby ever dreamed of. So, even though it may be counterproductive, never shy away from truth even if it means losing a recruit. I thought I was a recruiter and volunteered in 1970 for duty. During school at Ft Ben Harrison, one of the instructors made the statement, from the podium; We need "body's, warm and breathing". I didn't believe I heard that and glanced around the room to gage the reception of such a mindless comment. I looked at a friend of mine from Bragg, and almost in total concert, both of us stood and headed for the door. The instructor ask, " and where are you two going"? My friend said " I don't think that's proper recruiting instruction ", and I said, " I didn't volunteer to recruit cannon fodder". When we turned to leave, 15 more stood. The commandant had to issue a formal apology to the class. The name of the commandant was the color of the instructors face. In 2 months on recruiting duty, I had 2 walk-ins and signed both, one as an engineer and the other as an infantryman, Both also to jump school. I had been back from Viet Nam 18 months and both questioned me about combat. I told both that I was a military police investigator and hadn't seen actual "bush" combat, just scared ........less, rocketed, mortared and shot at. After the swearing in, I told both to " keep their head on a swivel and remember what that had been taught. Last I heard both had wrangled their way to RVN. If the " category system is still Cat 1 thru Cat 4, after the test at your office, cautiously advise both to concentrate on a field that their scores indicate good chances of success. Nothing can be as disheartening as a low Cat 2 who wants to be a nuclear sub commander. Maybe a little "over the top" but you get my drift. Good Luck .

Response by SFC Terry Murphy made Apr 23 at 2016 10:41 AM

SFC Terry Murphy — Sat, 23 Apr 2016 10:41:10 -0400

My advise is don't do it just because you can or to make a statement. You will be sorely disappointed in your decision. If you decide to join the Infantry, Armor or any other combat arms branch, do it because you feel it is the right thing for you. Understand it won't be easy, glamorous or fun. It will be hard, backbreaking work. You will be expected to carry the same load as your male counterparts. You will not be given any breaks and when your Sergeant tells you to ruck up and move out, you will be expected to pick up your load and move out with your sometimes 100+ pounds on your back and your weapon. I would also tell you that even though it is authorized by the military, a lot of the soldiers may not except you until you prove yourself. However, that it like any new soldier in an Infantry unit. It will just be more intense for a female.

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Apr 23 at 2016 12:22 PM

Lt Col Jim Coe — Sat, 23 Apr 2016 12:22:31 -0400

1. Insist on being treated like everybody else. Neither accept nor request any special consideration due to your sex, age, or anything else.
2. Don't be afraid to seek medical treatment for legitimate injuries. If you are hurt, you and the Service gain nothing by you "playing hurt."
3. Accept the fact that you may have to work twice as hard at everything and be twice as good just to be respected as a member of the team.
4. Have a sense of humor.
5. 20 years from now, that which is novel and exciting will be no big deal.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 23 at 2016 1:38 PM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 23 Apr 2016 13:38:20 -0400

Find great mentors. They will be those that you turn to when you feel like quitting.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 24 at 2016 4:10 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 24 Apr 2016 16:10:03 -0400

Don't do it! We don't need females in combat arms!

Response by Sgt Jamie Grippin made Apr 24 at 2016 7:43 PM

Sgt Jamie Grippin — Sun, 24 Apr 2016 19:43:20 -0400

Most of the responses seem geared towards unit cohesiveness and acceptance but there is a bigger picture to keep in mind. Go in, do the best that you can, but if you can't keep up then you should be looking for another MOS. Forcing the issue and changing the standards only puts everyone in jeopardy. The Marines did their study with an all male combat force competing with a mixed gender force and not 1:1, it was only 25% female. The all male combat force outperformed the mixed gender force. Your recruits are not just applying for a job, they volunteering to serve this nation. The goal is to go to battle and win period. War is not about fairness. You win or you lose. There are no trophies because you showed up. Fielding a fighting force on the battle field is about preserving our nation and our way of life. If they are up to the challenge then who cares if they are a man or woman. But they need to be able to do the work day after day after their initial training too. It's not about just completing infantry school or ranger school, you have to be able to perform at that level day after day. That ruck sac isn't going to get lighter with time (somehow is seems to get heavier).

winning.http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/story/military/2015/09/10/mixed-gender-teams-come-up-short-marines-infantry-experiment/71979146/

Response by SPC Anna Larson made Apr 24 at 2016 7:52 PM

SPC Anna Larson — Sun, 24 Apr 2016 19:52:35 -0400

I've never been in combat, but l've spent 5 years as a wildland firefighter. Not exactly the same thing, except for massively long days, hiking and packing in supplies and tools, no showers, sleeping on hard ground etc. So the biggest thing I'd tell them is make sure its something you truly want to do. Make sure you know what you are getting into. And prepare a head of time. When I entered the army, I'd already spent 4 years in JROTC during high school and 2 years at a military Junior college so I was ready, and I knew I didn't want any type of combat position. So that's the very first thing I'd say. Then I'd tell them they have to work hard for it. They'll be compared to all the men they are serving with and they shouldn't expect to be coddled or babied along. Working as a wildland firefighter there is no difference in standards. If you can't hike 3 miles carring a 45lb pack in under 45 minutes, you don't qualify for full line duty and gender is not considered at all so make sure you can meet the existing standards.

Response by Maj John Bell made Apr 24 at 2016 10:30 PM

Maj John Bell — Sun, 24 Apr 2016 22:30:11 -0400

You will encounter resentment, harsh criticism, and unfair resistance. Who is tougher, you or your opposition? Knives are sharpened on stones not velvet. Take in and use any truth, disregard everything else.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 25 at 2016 12:37 AM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 25 Apr 2016 00:37:28 -0400

I think it will be important to let these females that are going into combat arms positions know they MUST get a female mentor ASAP. This transition period will be very challenging and they will need strong mentors that will help them get through it all. There are Women's Mentorship Network starting up all over ( I helped start one at Fort Bliss TX last year), and these women need to connect with other women service members for development and support. Let them know they are trailblaizers and to march forward no matter the naysayers.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 25 at 2016 8:27 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 25 Apr 2016 08:27:17 -0400

I think you know the answer to this: do not expect any special treatment. Do not go filing IG complaints when your commander makes you run as hard as the males, because "Oh, my APFT run time is 22 minutes and I don't have to run as hard as males to achieve that goal." You're expected to be as proficient and physically fit as males. EO, right?

Don't the person who makes the formation (run or ruck march) turn around to come get you because understandably, people will resent you for it just like they would resent a male Soldier. Provided the standards are not lowered and there's true EO, 99% of the females joining the Infantry or Spec Ops will change their minds within a year.

Response by LCpl Cody Collins made Apr 25 at 2016 8:29 AM

LCpl Cody Collins — Mon, 25 Apr 2016 08:29:51 -0400

I would say make sure you are up to the job in every aspect. Because everyone is dependent on the other to be able to do their job efficiently. And don't be afraid to ask for help from time to time. I remember the day back in the summer of 87 I was in A6 Squadron VMA 533. We got our first and only female Ordnance technician , she was doing OK until it was time to lift a 500 lb bomb off a rack. It usually takes 4 able bodied men. Well this time you had 3 and one female, we'll they almost dropped the bomb on the hanger deck. Needless to say she was gone by the end of the week. That part of the job was one of the most routine aspects of ordinance to load bombs on the wings of the aircraft weather station on dry land or when signed to an aircraft carrier. She did not get in any trouble but the truth just came out she just wasn't strong enough for that part of the job so she was able to transfer to another MOS. There are nuances to every job that a lot of people don't think about or consider so make sure you are able to handle every aspect of that MOS. Because when the time comes and you're needed to perform it will be too late to say I changed my mind.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 25 at 2016 8:49 AM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 25 Apr 2016 08:49:24 -0400

First, this is going to be hard. If you're doing this for any other reason besides your burning desire to be the tip of the spear and take it to the enemy, find another MOS. You are going to be breaking barriers...with your face, your fists and your heart. When your fists and face run out (and it will), your heart better be HUGE. People are going to try and drag you down. You are going to be carrying the weight of future female combat soldiers in your rucksack every day. That combined weight will feel like a yoke dragging you down. Find someone to talk to...a senior female enlisted member or officer. It will help. Be a bitch. Be proud of it. Own it. Every good female officer I have known has been labeled an ice-queen or a bitch by someone. It's a label of pride. That means men who are incompetent, ignorant and feel threatened by a powerful and competent woman see you as capable. It is unfortunate, but again...this is going to be hard. 25 years from now, it won't be as hard. 50 years from now, it will be normal. 100 years from now, we will question why we even thought about keeping women out of this line of work...but right now...it's going to suck. You still want to sign up? Good. Put your big girl pants on and ruck up. Make history. Don't take any shit. Give it as good as you get it. Stay strong. If you quit...you quit for everyone.

Response by SPC Timothy Repetto made Apr 25 at 2016 9:35 AM

SPC Timothy Repetto — Mon, 25 Apr 2016 09:35:02 -0400

I would tell/remind them that the reason that you are talking to them is because of them. They walked into your office because they felt a bigger calling. Women all over the world have been fighting regardless of WarFare Laws and the Geneva Convention. Look at Israel. EVERY citizen serves a minimum of two years. They just have to want it.

Response by Tanner Rains made Apr 25 at 2016 1:57 PM

Tanner Rains — Mon, 25 Apr 2016 13:57:54 -0400

Sit them down and have a candid talk. Remind them that they're the first wave, that whether they like it or not, all eyes are going to be on them. People looking for any excuse to say they aren't good enough. Remind them that while they might be told they're on the same level as a man, they're going to have to earn people's respect, and hold themselves to a higher standard than anyone else will.

And besides that, I'd highly recommend you urge them towards exercising so that they exceed the physical standards set for them, and not just meet them. They won't really know whether or not the person in charge of them will treat them like any other soldier, push them harder, or coddle them. Better to be in shape and able to do any job asked of her than hope they go easy on her.

Response by PO1 Darren Martin made Apr 25 at 2016 3:22 PM

PO1 Darren Martin — Mon, 25 Apr 2016 15:22:45 -0400

I can see you are already a woman who has a PH and CAB. I am sure you could pass on some wisdom just from your experience to females and your advice would be highly regarded.

Response by SGT Bridget Warren made Apr 26 at 2016 12:17 AM

SGT Bridget Warren — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 00:17:29 -0400

Be physically and psychologically prepared to deal with the issues you are about to undertake. As these jobs are a lot more stressful and strenuous than most of the jobs in the military. Good Luck!

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 5:45 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 05:45:24 -0400

My first thought would be for them to understand the physical differences but the mentally is they are Soldiers. As a former 19D male training was hard even for me and I was a 300+ Soldier but I worked my butt off. My mentality was no one was going to stop me but me. If I had to stay up training late at night or doing extract physical fitness, I did it. We all reach a point of physical exhaustion but believing in yourself is a good self motivator.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 6:33 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 06:33:35 -0400

I am an 19k nco. With that said myself and my crew spend countless hours stuck inside our tank. If you know anything about tankers you would know about the infamous tactical pee bottle. Somtimes we have to go in the worst times where we cannot get out of the tank and knowing so we always keep bottles,more spacifically Gatorade bottles and pee in them. What options would we have with a female inside with us. Battles wont stop for pee breaks. Maybe this wasn't thought out when it comes to atleast the armor community. Dont get me wrong, females have evey right for the same hobs if the meet the same standards but there are other things to consider specifically the close prolonged quarters in a tank, Bradley or stryker. This is also unfair to the male soldier that now cant relieve himself because of female presence.

Response by LCpl Kenneth Heath made Apr 26 at 2016 6:58 AM

LCpl Kenneth Heath — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 06:58:27 -0400

I have always believed that the training standards should be the same for males and females, (with females raised to the male standard). You want the best trained, most capable people beside you in combat. Equality in the workplace begins with equal expectations.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 7:03 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 07:03:30 -0400

My advice is to be a PT beast. PT is the first opportunity to show that you can carry your own weight but the goal should be to carry your battle buddy's weight. Be confident in yourself. Be physically strong but more importantly be mentally tough and resilient. "Embrace the suck." Have fun.

Response by CSM James Winslow made Apr 26 at 2016 7:09 AM

CSM James Winslow — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 07:09:40 -0400

Some of these are appropriate, and some not. Take what you need.
1. It's not fair, never will be. Get over it.
2. Everything you learn might save your life someday. Everything.
3. It's a man's world being opened for women. Be prepared for awkward comments and situations. Move on from them as graciously as possible.
4. Do your best, learn what you are taught, help those who need it.
5. Leave the drama at home. If your personal life is not under control, you will be left behind.
6. You do not know it all. Shut up and learn.
7. Remain and retain a positive attitude and outlook. It will all be over soon.
8. Hair and fingernails grow back. So does pride. Don't sweat the small stuff.
9. Do not be the center of attention.
10. It's not personal. Don't make it be.
11. Drill Sergeants are not there to "understand" you. They are there to train you to survive. This can be uncomfortable almost all the time. See No. 1.

One more thing- Just like in civilian life, there will be that one person who will hate you on sight. You can do one of two things- avoid them, or confront them and figure out why. If you cannot figure out why after confronting them, then avoid them, but never avoid anyone out of fear.

Response by 1SG Harold Piet made Apr 26 at 2016 7:09 AM

1SG Harold Piet — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 07:09:41 -0400

Get your mind straight from the start. This entire program of the US Army is to fight and win. Look at everything as prepping for combat, may face tomorrow. thiis is not a job. It is life or death for you and your country. Learn, train, and be prepared always.

Response by MSgt Bruce Comer made Apr 26 at 2016 7:31 AM

MSgt Bruce Comer — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 07:31:34 -0400

I say start running the same PFT, get promoted based on the same standards/scores, etc. expect the exact same treatment and get it.

Response by SSG Mathew Ada made Apr 26 at 2016 7:40 AM

SSG Mathew Ada — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 07:40:34 -0400

None. It's something to be experienced. It's up to them whether it's worth it or not. Fortitude and brotherhood is what made us different. You either love it or hate it.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 7:42 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 07:42:39 -0400

1) don't join because you think it's just like another MOS. each job is different with its own challenges. Combat arms tends to be the most brutal on the body over a long time.
2) if you want respect in these jobs demonstrate a willingness to learn, learn the skills with the goal of being the subject mater expert so other soldiers seek you out for the skills (this is a long term goal)
3) if you can demonstrate that you can preform any task you are given and even out preform even one or two of the male soldiers your peers and leaders will be more accepting because of your ability. Remember regardless of what papers and politicians say, over all, we recognize ability above all other factors. Also be versatile don't have just one thing you can do. I would rather have a female that can ruck shoot conduct cls operate a radio and can drive well, than a man who can shoot perfectly but can't realy do anything more. I could certainly build him up but with the former all I have to do is build on good foundation.

Response by SGT Scott Henderson made Apr 26 at 2016 7:49 AM

SGT Scott Henderson — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 07:49:32 -0400

Get ready to carry the 240B

Response by SPC LaVerne Hatch made Apr 26 at 2016 7:54 AM

SPC LaVerne Hatch — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 07:54:24 -0400

There is going to be growing pains on both sides with introducing females into combat arms MOS's. The ones that will be respected in the end is the ones that have heart and passion for the Army, their unit, and the life style.
Remind these females that it will be a bumpy ride...

Response by SGT Jason Hartnett made Apr 26 at 2016 7:56 AM

SGT Jason Hartnett — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 07:56:31 -0400

Here it is if they want to see combat in a combat arms roll. Then they better never ask for help. That will just cast them as still weak in other soldiers eyes. They also need to understand this is no boys and girls club anymore. This is a soldiers club. So if a guy has to set a certain standard the so should they set the same standard.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 8:00 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 08:00:30 -0400

The same advice I'd give for any new Soldier, talk little and listen much. Unless specifically asked, no one wants to hear about how they were taught in AIT.

Response by SFC Chad Primeaux made Apr 26 at 2016 8:02 AM

SFC Chad Primeaux — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 08:02:05 -0400

Then you don't want my opinion.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 8:04 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 08:04:42 -0400

If they are going to succeed they need more drive than their male counterparts. The first few groups of them will set the tone. If they are a bunch of quitters, whiners or try to quid pro quo their way up the ranks then this whole idea is screwed. They need to come in with the mentality that they have something to prove.

Additionally I wish that there would have been better vetting of the new female recruits. The first female tanker looks like she weighs a whopping 110 pounds. A can round weighs about the same as her. I think that a lot of these young women are being set up for failure.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 8:07 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 08:07:25 -0400

My advice would be to be thick skinned. Don't take anything said to heart. All anyone is going to try and do is break you down. Just carry on about the mission and see it done. Doesn't matter if you are male, female, black, white, or Asian we are all soldiers and have a job to do. So just go out there and put your best foot forward and Complete the mission.

Response by SSG Keith Amacher made Apr 26 at 2016 8:10 AM

SSG Keith Amacher — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 08:10:02 -0400

I had a number of female friends in the military I respected as I did my brothers and would go to war with them. That said, pick your brothers carefully they will protect you. When an Army Ranger decides psychotic that he wants you it will take one of us to defend you true story. Sad but true a female is no match for a psychotic spec opps operator unless they are also spec ops grade. Just be aware and know what your getting into.

Response by LCpl Kaleb King made Apr 26 at 2016 8:16 AM

LCpl Kaleb King — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 08:16:51 -0400

Work hard work your butts off nothing gets handed to anyone for many years woman have not been seen as equals to men in the military with is a cold hard truth. But keep working keep fighting to make change. I saw in a few post if you wanna hang with the boys expect to be treated like the boys I personally don't think standards should be made easier do to the plain fact that insurgents won't change or attack the military differently because your a female in a combat role cause they sure they hell didn't care while I was over there. But like I said before if y'all wanna do this be willing to put in work

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 8:23 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 08:23:45 -0400

I am a sergeant first class infantry soldier who was a drill sergeant I would say be strong ..understand that this is going to be a huge adjustment for some of us...I believe only a few will be a problem but most will be understanding..

Response by Cpl Chris Woodford made Apr 26 at 2016 8:26 AM

Cpl Chris Woodford — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 08:26:29 -0400

Bring condoms because there is nothing worse than your female counterpart not pulling her own weight and/or is on light duty because she got knocked up, sleeping with everyone in the Co.. Besides, performing your duties, you will ultimately need to worry about going on the Maury show to find out who the baby daddy is. Moreover, humping a 100lb pack and your weapon will be nearly impossible when you do get pregnant... honestly, that is what happens when you put young men and women together in very close quarters without nothing else to do. Spades gets extremely boring after awhile.

Response by SSgt Jeremy Westlake made Apr 26 at 2016 8:29 AM

SSgt Jeremy Westlake — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 08:29:24 -0400

That ship has sailed, sure. However, just because some politicians made a poor decision in rewriting policy does not mean that recruiters or anyone else should encourage young women into a choice which absolutely will affect the rest of their life. Just because prostitution is legal on Nevada does not mean that guidance counselors should recommend it as a career path.
The infantry is barely tolerable as a living condition for young men in peek condition, they cope with the adversary with harsh language and crude behavior. If a young woman voluntarily chooses this lifestyle, which I doubt many would without pressure from a recuiter, then they need to understand that it is a total lifestyle. It is not just graduating a school and it's over, it is not a 9-5 with weekends off. I think that recruiters should go spend a month or two acting as infantry before sending anyone into that lifestyle, otherwise you have little understanding of the situation.
How to prepare? Ask yourself if you are willing to voluntarily go to prison for the next four years.

SSGT USMC

Response by MSG Nathan Ellison made Apr 26 at 2016 8:35 AM

MSG Nathan Ellison — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 08:35:27 -0400

My advice would to be to think long, hard and honestly about your intentions. The facts of the matter are this; while it may seem cool and ground breaking, blah, blah, blah, you are going into a position (job dependent) in which the training alone breaks down and spits out the men who attempt to apply. Those who make it share the bond of that experience and the knowledge they all went through the same pain to get to where they are. You can apply that standard to 11B's, Rangers, SF, et. al. If you as a female want to be accepted in anyone of those "clubs" you need to go through the the EXACT same selection and training and suffering right along side your counterparts said that there is no question you made the standard.
Next, you have to understand your own physiology. As a female, you are not biologically designed to carry the weight or take the punishment a male body is. At any given time a female is able to perform as well and perhaps better than a equal male counterpart, however, over time, my concern is you will experience the damage we all encounter, at a much faster rate. It hurts like hell to get up in the morning, it's a reality I live with, do you want to hear "Mommy, why won't you pick me up?"
Lastly, combat itself. It's fucking savage. Are women? Probably more so than men at times but again, there are realities you are going to have to come to terms with. Wounding, maiming, capture and the aftermath of all of those things. 22 veterans are taking their lives daily, they are disproportionately male, there is a reason for that other than they aren't getting the help they need.
So, in closing, while politicians may have smashed the champagne bottle on the bow of the USS Women-in-Combat and sent it sailing on down the river of political correctness, I don't think they thought of the third and forth order effects of their decision. If you are considering a combat position, fully understand your own motivation, the risks associated with any given job and the "baggage" that comes with it. If you find you are doing it to prove a point, you're in it for all the wrong reasons.

Response by Cpl Brad MarkW made Apr 26 at 2016 8:41 AM

Cpl Brad MarkW — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 08:41:27 -0400

I think you need to temper their expectations. It's won't be anything like Call of Duty and it most certainly is not glamorous. For the most part, it was the hardest job and hardest years of my life. I view everything now through the lens of my time as an 0311. I was never colder, hotter, hungrier, more miserable than as a grunt. Purposely obfuscating that will do them a disservice. They will have to wake up one day before dawn, after getting 30 minutes of sleep, in the rain and realize that someone, somewhere with a POG MOS will be sleeping in for another 2 hours and going to work for 8 hours. That person will go home at 1600 and sleep in their own bed. They will not have that option. And that POG makes exactly the same amount of money as you, and has a lower cutting score for promotion.

I also think you'll have to prepare them adequately for the challenges they'll be facing as they integrate. As the first one's through the door, so to speak, harassment and resentment will be present - no matter how well the Army/Marines say they've gotten that under control. They can complain and seek EEO assistance all day long when it happens but that's not guaranteed to stop it immediately. In fact, it might breed resentment. Better to have that clear in their minds than expect some miracle of equal opportunity and tolerance right away.

You should also prepare them in the event that some will fail. Infantry jobs have a higher failure rate than other MOS schools. Injuries are common; cellulitis, torn ligaments, busted ankles and back injuries are the norm. Not all Soldiers and Marines are cut out to be an 03 or 11 MOS, that's just reality. Women will be no exception - injury being their biggest threat since in sports women can be 2-3 times as likely to be injured: and Infantry is not a sport, there are no time outs in training. Infantry MOS's are no joke. When I went through in SOI 1990, guys regularly dropped out or were recycled due to injury or failure to train, etc. Some never made it back and had to find a different MOS - many times not of their exact choosing. They should understand that that is a possibility. In theory, the training will remain as hard as it always has been and they will have to meet the standards or be dropped. Right now there are no male and female standards in the infantry, hopefully there never will be. No one is going to hold their hand through or pass them because they were "close". In theory.

Response by Sgt Frederick Pou made Apr 26 at 2016 8:41 AM

Sgt Frederick Pou — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 08:41:32 -0400

We are a band of BROTHERS & SISTERS. There are things that man can do better than women & vice versa. Go and give it your best and hope that you meet the cut, but do not complain that it is too hard as that will just be considered a sign of weakness.

Response by Sgt Timothy Fetterman made Apr 26 at 2016 8:43 AM

Sgt Timothy Fetterman — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 08:43:37 -0400

Think about what you are able to do. If you are sure you are able to do everything a man can do, go for it. If you question it at all, don't do it. War is not going to get any easier because you are a woman. In fact, given the current enemy, it will get harder!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 8:48 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 08:48:39 -0400

I hope as a recruiter you are screening these females before they pick a combat mos. Because if the only reason they are doing it is to get there name in the paper they will get someone killed. Let them know they better have thick skin, they better be able to pull their own weight or in most cases carry it. If they don't have the physical strength to be able to carry 100+ pounds worth of gear for 25 miles they might want to reconsider. This goes for all recruits both male and female. If you are not ok with the fact you might die and or your friends might die because of something you did or didn't do the army is not for them.

Response by SSG Kyle Johnson made Apr 26 at 2016 8:48 AM

SSG Kyle Johnson — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 08:48:56 -0400

While I do not approve of this change personally I would let the women know they are going to be going into the infantry. They need to be proactive and make themselves as tough as possible mentally and physically they will be smoked so PT. they should be proactive in maxing or passing the men's PT standard not the women's tell them it does not exist for them. This standard will only prove later to be a weakness and while I understand men do not always pass this either it is the standard and as such should be met.
Remind them of the culture and that they will be entering a force that was all male and most will still be all male for some time. These soldiers need to come in and mold to what is expected of our infantry soldiers and follow orders no matter how stupid. No asking for special treatment such as a guard to watch her latrine door or whatever. In the field she will be required to go weeks to a month with little sanitation besides wet wipes so be prepared for hygienic issues.

Mostly tell them that the infantry main job is to engage and destroy enemies and as such she needs to be ready to kill our enemies and protect our brothers/sister at all times.

I could keep going but phones suck to write RP responses.

Response by SGT Alex M Figueroa made Apr 26 at 2016 8:49 AM

SGT Alex M Figueroa — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 08:49:26 -0400

EXPECT NO SPECIAL TREATMENT, GET FIT AND NO IS NOT AN ANSWER.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 8:50 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 08:50:35 -0400

As long as you can handle the job. Go for it! You only live once. Have no regrets.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 8:52 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 08:52:14 -0400

I was prior active infantry and I find it quite interesting that the military is allowing females in a combat MOS. Deployment for Infantry and other combat units is a stressful and very difficult time in there lives for many reasons that non combat units don't understand. Men being considered the so called tough more dominant, aggressive sex have a difficult time with it. So my advise for females is the same for males train your minds so you will be able to distinguish your job from your everyday "normal" life because that's the toughest part to deal with as a combat unit. Training I've seen a lot of females that are tougher than some of the guys so as long as they stay fit they'll do fine there.

Response by PV2 Robert Bowne made Apr 26 at 2016 9:01 AM

PV2 Robert Bowne — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 09:01:33 -0400

First of all i must commend them for choosing a Combat related Position. My advice is that they listen to their Platoon Sgt when they Arrive in country as he / she is very experienced with the Cultures , Go and No Go Zones of the area that the soldiers will be deploying to. Look, Listen , And learn all that you have the oportunity to as this will not only keep you and your Battle Buddy Alive but it will Broaden your experience and skills as a Soldier.

God Bless , Good Luck , And Come home Safe. HOOAH.........

Response by SPC Christopher Morehouse made Apr 26 at 2016 9:02 AM

SPC Christopher Morehouse — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 09:02:19 -0400

Here is my advice, based on nothing at all other than having spent time in 2 of the combat arms. Don't act like you are expecting special treatment, don't try to over compensate (there are enough big egos in combat arms already), expect a measure of shit and don't assume all the shit you will get is because you are female.

Response by MSG Eddie N. made Apr 26 at 2016 9:04 AM

MSG Eddie N. — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 09:04:07 -0400

As a 12B here's my two cents. Expect to be judge harder than your peers. You are attempting to enter hallowed grounds. You will have those who believe that you do not belong there. I don't care what century we are in, it's just a matter of fact. Do not expect special treatment, in fact expect to be treated harder (see above). Do not use your gender as a crutch. It will just piss off those mentioned above. If you just do what is asked of everyone else you should be good. Expect to be offended. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying it will happen. Expect it. You are going in uncharted waters. You could either be an example of a positive change or you could be the "I told you so" that many are waiting to scream out.

Good luck.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 9:04 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 09:04:25 -0400

Cut your fingernails, bring plenty of baby wipes, showers are a luxury, don't ask for special considerations based on gender, take them if they are available but they wont always be. Train as you fight. Have as much fun with it as possible. Obstacles are meant to be overcome and you will have plenty of them. Take each one as they come and don't worry about the outcome as much as you should worry about mentally preparing and giving it your all. Finally, Combat arms is all about the Soldiers to your left and right. You and your peers should never make it about male and female. When times get tough it wont matter if you are male, female or whatever, its about being their for each other.

Response by PVT William Bresch made Apr 26 at 2016 9:07 AM

PVT William Bresch — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 09:07:29 -0400

I own Integrity Bresch. I only TEACH, one rule that changes a woman's perspective forever.

What is the one thing, that a woman can do that, a man can never do ?

Answer: Women can make life and they can take life. women are also the fiercest warriors on the planet. look up the Amazon Warriors, Egyptian Women, The Vietnamese Women, The Roman Women, the Spartan Women, The Trojan Women.

There is nothing a Woman cannot do. Also , look up the 2 most valuable Women on Earth that without them, None of us would be here, Mary the Mother of God and Eve the Mother of Man.

Response by SFC Rollie Hubbard made Apr 26 at 2016 9:08 AM

SFC Rollie Hubbard — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 09:08:19 -0400

Do the job and don't demand any special treatment pay attention to the training and learn all aspects of your MOS.

Response by SGT John Boren made Apr 26 at 2016 9:15 AM

SGT John Boren — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 09:15:50 -0400

We are all Family : We need to work together, period.

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 9:16 AM

CW5 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 09:16:13 -0400

There used to be an extremely popular phrase bandied about, not sure if it's still in vogue. "You'll be sorrreee!"

Response by SPC Bryan Laird made Apr 26 at 2016 9:23 AM

SPC Bryan Laird — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 09:23:48 -0400

I was in the Infantry and while I was still serving, I knew more than few women that could run circles around me. I think they should be put to the exact same standards as men, but if they're able then more power to them.

Response by SCPO Lee Pradia made Apr 26 at 2016 9:26 AM

SCPO Lee Pradia — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 09:26:42 -0400

My advice is plain and simple, do what you can do, be who you are, listen to each other, learn from each other, stay professional and grow together as an effective combat team. Your gonna have some who doubt you, don't doubt yourself and trust your instincts.

Response by SFC Juan Cruz made Apr 26 at 2016 9:30 AM

SFC Juan Cruz — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 09:30:18 -0400

Your advice should be that which mentally and psychologically prepares the future soldier that the job which they are trying to achieve is not based on gender but on its critical part to the accomplishment of a large, team-oriented, mission.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 9:31 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 09:31:56 -0400

It's pretty straight forward for me, explain that they cannot quit or be weak. They need to perfom the same job functions as the males no exceptions!

Response by CW3 Susan Burkholder made Apr 26 at 2016 9:46 AM

CW3 Susan Burkholder — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 09:46:49 -0400

I would tell all females to be supportive of each other. If they join thinking they have to compete against other females who are right there beside them joining, it will be that much harder for them. I know back in my day, this was an unfortunate truth. Hopefully things have changed as more females have competed together on teams and developed a support system. I would advise them to seek out any support from higher up that is available. Probably not going to be to many mentors out there for them though.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 9:47 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 09:47:08 -0400

Same advice id give any 11x. Keep your mouth shut, eat fast, take notes and don't complain. It's not hazing they're breaking your delicate ass in. And don't expect acceptance. That will likely never happen 100%

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 9:55 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 09:55:40 -0400

I must start by saying that I could not imagine what Benning would have been like with females in my unit. With that for the first four and a half years I served in the Infantry I rarely had any opportunities to work with females. On my first deployment to Iraq in 2003 I was on a small FOB just my battalion all male unit; about 6mo into the deployment we picked up a civil affairs team with a female Specialist. CSM held a BN formation where he told everyone what was not acceptable (pretty much everything we did....) I changed my MOS to UAS operator about 2 years latter still minimal contact with the opposite sex. My first UAS squad leader was a female Staff Sargeant. I learned very quickly that gender means nothing. Attitude, commitment and dedication are the things that matter. I say don't do it if it isn't about the job. I love the Infantry and would do it all over again if I was enlisting tomorrow.

New recruit know that just as new to the branch you have joined; you are just as new to the leadership that gets you. That leadership can/will make mistakes when it comes to you; be patient they will figure it out. Don't give up or give in this will be the hardest thing you will ever do. You will hit obstacles at every turn. You will meet some of the most selfless people in the world that will help you and be apart of you life forever. Remember you represent every female that comes after you. Good luck.

Response by PO2 Amyn Abduk-Khaliq made Apr 26 at 2016 10:03 AM

PO2 Amyn Abduk-Khaliq — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:03:35 -0400

They choose to serve their country. My advice is serve with honor and distinction.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 10:04 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:04:14 -0400

I would say don't go into a unit with the mindset that you need to be better than the males in the unit. I spoke to a number of female Soldiers that are surrounded by mostly men and that's the number one response I get is " I want to show that I can be better than the guys". Just go into the new assignment with the mindset to strive to be the best Soldier that you can be. Focus on areas that you have control in such as improving physical fitness and becoming competent in your MOS. Before you get offended by a comment think to yourself " Is this because I'm female or is this because I should be doing better?" Like in any job if you lose focus because you are worrying about what people think then you have already set yourself up to fail.

Response by CW4 Chad Balwanz made Apr 26 at 2016 10:04 AM

CW4 Chad Balwanz — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:04:59 -0400

My only concern is the effect on family life during training and deployments. Military life already has high divorce rates. The spouce at home may find this a hard pill to swallow and could potentially lead relationship issues. It is not the job that bothers me, it is the unintended consequences on families, real or preceived.

Response by PFC Francis Ramseyer made Apr 26 at 2016 10:05 AM

PFC Francis Ramseyer — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:05:35 -0400

I am against female in US Forces except on desk job.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 10:06 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:06:20 -0400

As a female holding AFSCs in what was once male dominated career fields, i would say that any woman wanting to be in a combat position should have the drive and personality for it. Not all men are geared mentally and physically for these jobs and it's not different for women. Combat is not for the weak minded. This is something you should make well known to anyone wanting to take up the front line positions. Good luck! I know there will be some kickass females out there!

Response by SFC Freddy Morales made Apr 26 at 2016 10:06 AM

SFC Freddy Morales — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:06:38 -0400

Wow, this is a difficult one and an easy one. You see, all Soldiers go through Basic Training first. Basic training is designed for all Soldiers regardless of their selected specialty, to prepared them with the basic skills to survive, and defend their self in combat. What we need to understand is that the combat zone is located where ever their strongest missile can reach or where ever cells of attackers decide to move with the intend to terrorized, injured or kill their enemy. Anyway, to my Female comrades, I tell you that you must understand that as well as men, you are placing yourself in a increase position of danger when selecting a combat specialty where you may be in the position to survive without most of the commodities that women expect, in my opinion, like privacy to perform physiological needs and personal hygiene when needed during the month. Don't forget that some of you may also suffer of health changes that may limit your ability to perform, and I mean cramps and other things. All of this things are related to your body natural changes in how your body prepares for natural things of you physiology like being ready to conceive, etc, but I fill that if joining in a combat specialty is what you which to do, then, you will find the way to controlled and you will have a plan A, B, C, and so on, so that you may achieved you goals and be successful no matter what the possible obstacles may be. It doesn't matter what you do in the military, you may face with a situation that may place you in a position worse than any combat specialty may face. Been in a combat specialty will prepared you to better overcome the reality of war and give you superior skills to accomplish the mission of the armed forces to fight and win wars. Ladies, don't limit your self for anything if you understand what you may face and go through, if you know you have a plan to overcome the obstacles. Go forward, Godspeed and so help you God.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 10:09 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:09:22 -0400

Remind them that they are being recruited into a male dominated MOS that has been that way for over 300 years. Expect to be ridiculed and to hear allot of BS from these male soldiers. They are going to need to be RESILIENT to comments and remarks. I served with the 82nd Airborne from 93 to 96. It was tough for females who weren't in the infantry. The females then expected that treatment but overcame it easily. Let them know they need to keep their head up, think straight, and use that ridicule as fuel for the fire to prove that they can overcome any and all obstacles that are thrown at them.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 10:09 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:09:54 -0400

Focus on the 50 Meter Target!!

I've been an Infantryman since day one. As a junior enlisted I expected my leaders to provide me with the tools to be successful to complete my mission, to close with and destroy the enemy! As a young paratrooper I could give a damn about what was politically correct, in the streets of Fallujah or down Route Irish. All I cared about was doing what I had to do ensure the survival of my brothers around me. Notice I didn't say MY survival! The sweat that you fail to shed while you are here in training a lot of times turns into blood on foreign soil! Don't you dare be afraid to sweat during peacetime! Although it won't guarantee you will come back alive at least you will know that you gave it everything you had!
Everyone has an opinion about this issues but the problem is that you as the soldier on the ground have to live it! You should always focus on the highest threat first, the 50m target! Forget about everything you hear in the media and all the accolades and pats on the back you are receiving right now because that's coming from people who don't have to walk in your shoes right now. Everybody knows what you are about to do and how you are going to get there. But none of that is as important as WHY you are going to do it! If your WHY is centered around YOU, you will most likely fail! If your WHY is centered around a higher purpose than just yourself, you are still not guaranteed to succeed, you will have a better chance of it though.

You can come to my platoon any day and I would welcome you with open arms. Just know that if you can't help me keep my brothers and sister alive then I don't need you and I will get rid of you, regardless of what you, your family, the chain of command or anybody in the media has to say about it! I am no longer a young paratrooper, I am an old crusty Infantry Platoon sergeant but my WHY is still the same.

The media will not tell you about this and neither will the Army's propaganda machine! Make no mistake about this, at some point in your career as a Combat Arms soldier you might be facing eye to eye with your enemy and you are going to have to choose between your life or the lives of the men and women around you or that young military aged male pointing a PKM straight at you!

I wish you the best !

Carnage 7, out!!!!

Response by MSG Carl Clark made Apr 26 at 2016 10:11 AM

MSG Carl Clark — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:11:41 -0400

While the sex of a person determines whether we call a male a male and a female a female, gender assignment is not so clear cut. I know women who have skills, abilities and mindset that tops many males, so the male/female issue is largely a social construct. Females joining combat arms MOS's should "know thyself", know the MOS, study up on the history of warfare. Then make the decision as they see fit.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 10:13 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:13:13 -0400

My recommendation is to get one of your fellow NCO's that was 11 series and get them physically prepared for Infantry school. I suggest a ruck program, just google military athlete ruck program, this should help getting them ready. Work on upper body strength. Coming from the Infantry I can tell you that they are not going to be welcomed with open arms, there is definitely going to be problems cause they are going to be looked at as having gotten a pass to get there. So they need to be mentally prepared, basic and AIT is one thing but line units are a whole different animal. Hope this helps get them started.

Response by Sgt Juan Carlos made Apr 26 at 2016 10:14 AM

Sgt Juan Carlos — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:14:53 -0400

To be part of the unit, same treatment as everybody else. No especial ways of doing things, do the best they can just like everybody else No difference in gender.

Response by 1stSgt Edward Jackson made Apr 26 at 2016 10:17 AM

1stSgt Edward Jackson — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:17:57 -0400

The US Military Forces are not the place for social experimenting. These social programs, women in ground combat roles, gays and transgenders in the military, etc. have done nothing to further the #1 mission of the US Military...to kill people and break things. None of these programs improve efficiency, and all of them have cost defense dollars that could be better spent on weapons, training, etc. Women do have a place in the military, flying combat aircraft...yes, manning crew positions (including command positions) aboard Naval surface combat ships...yes, and many, many others. But in direct ground combat roles? No. Women, in general (yes, there are exceptions), are weaker and smaller than men in general. They do not have the muscle mass men have (men have about 40% muscle mass, women have about 30% muscle mass), nor do they have the muscle strength men have.
http://healthyliving.azcentral.com/much-muscle-mass-male-female-1709.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10904038
Upper body strength is critical in ground combat. Can a woman retrieve a large wounded member of her team and bring him/her to safety? What happens if the combat situation deteriorates to hand to hand combat with a woman team member having to fight a large opponent of the enemy?
These, and many more questions need to be answered before we try another stupid social experiment. We Soldiers, Marines, Airmen, Sailors, and Coasties have all lost comrades to prior social experiments that liberal politicians have forced upon us. Those politicians may not care about the lives of my brothers and sisters, but I do. Women are great at doing a lot of things men are not good at. So why don't we recognize that men are great at doing some things women are not good at?
My advice? No, don't do this, this is just another politically correct stupid idea.

How Much More Muscle Mass Does a Male Have Than a Female?

In fitness assessment, muscle mass is regarded as a significant indicator of overall physical strength. Men tend to have approximately 40 percent muscle mass, while women tend to have approximately ...

Response by SGT James Colbert made Apr 26 at 2016 10:22 AM

SGT James Colbert — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:22:54 -0400

Trust in your NCO and your Chain of Support. As someone said you all wear the same uniform and will be trusted and treated as such.
As a 1sg told me once learn by doing, learn by making mistakes, take responsibilty for your mistakes, wear tough skin.
my last thought, from Gen Patton " I talk dirty, because i want it to stick and they will remember, i want them to fight for me , not kive me" (paraphrased )

Response by SGT Dave Tracy made Apr 26 at 2016 10:25 AM

SGT Dave Tracy — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:25:11 -0400

I'm of two minds about this topic, which you may discern, but as was said, that "ship has sailed". As for my advice, I'll keep it specific to Infantry as that is the combat arm I am familiar with.

To start, the politicians, "activists" and other assorted characters who have NEVER done the job have been treating women completing basic training (OSUT) as the goal; like it's the finish line of a race and ignoring or giving short shrift to the years-long job that follows graduation. Getting your Blue Cord simply buys your ticket into the "big race". Don't get me wrong, OSUT is hard, and it should remain so. Some activist may decide that our standards are not "fair", though I assure you our enemies don't care about an activist's idea of "fairness", but they're damn grateful if we do lower our standards. Ignorant activists should never set standards, and "you" (i.e.: women, not you specifically) shouldn't let them! Undoubtedly there are women who CAN graduate from Sand Hill Infantry OSUT without having the standards lowered for them, and it's patronizing to those women to have someone make things "easier" for them when it's not beneficial or needed.

Now, let's move on to the "big race"; and understand it's a marathon.

It's long days and long nights. It's living for many weeks--not days--in the field. It's bad food. It's no showers. It's little sleep. It's motivationally salty language used since time immemorial. It's constant training. It's fighting in close quarters. It's going to be a job where nearly all the men around you either do not want you there, may not trust your abilities as a Grunt or may feel some misplaced chivalrous responsibility for you. It's inherently dangerous work even when training. It's a lot of weight on your back. It's living in close quarters in a training or combat environment where special accommodations may not be possible. It's dress right, dress. It's pooping in a hole you dug behind a cactus. It's sleeping in dirt. It's often hard, monotonous, grinding physical work. It ain't Hollywood.

So my advice relates to the latter paragraph. If you are a woman, and you want to join combat arms, specifically the Infantry--particularly if you're one of the 1st to do so--know that if you're determined enough and physically ready, you can graduate as an Infantryman, BUT you absolutely need to understand that there is so much more that will follow. Know all you're getting into and make yourself ready for that.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 10:25 AM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:25:58 -0400

Advice- do not let the standard training for males to be lowered to compensate your training. It will alow you to get the best training to get you through any training evolution or missions with your counter parts.

Response by CPO Joshua Balter made Apr 26 at 2016 10:27 AM

CPO Joshua Balter — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:27:30 -0400

Welcome to equality. Many women have already served in combat with valor and professionalism. Your gender is not what matters, what matters is your heart and ability to do the job. Train hard and pay attention.

Response by CPL Pieter Brons made Apr 26 at 2016 10:27 AM

CPL Pieter Brons — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:27:48 -0400

Hi Recruiter. If there are girls that want to fight in the front lines who are we, (guy's) to keep them out. But that means all the way. And being a girl and you get prisener be shure to know that being a girl they have a huge weapon to dammage the girl. They dont se the girl al a soldier the see that girl as a target, lust object. That sad they use rape as an act. Not crimminal only war relaten. That a discussion you have to be prepared for. That one is comming. Most of the combat is not in a city as Amsterdam or New York. Its mostly in the bush from a country that is ruled by ruthles systems unknown to western ideas.
It is posible to talk about is but preferably in prive mail. I have nonidea wher what i write is going to. In a mail i can mail it to a person.
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Response by PO2 David Welch made Apr 26 at 2016 10:27 AM

PO2 David Welch — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:27:57 -0400

My recommendation, encourage the go-getters to become bigger, faster, stronger - seems moot to think about the already existing expectation, but challenge them to focus on meeting the physical standards of their male counterparts so that the transition doesn't shock them or the military as a whole.

I also recommend to young soldiers, go to a training range and become proficient using firearms in a tactical scenario. That and become comfortable with spartan resources and little to no creature comforts.

Response by SFC Russell Shaw made Apr 26 at 2016 10:28 AM

SFC Russell Shaw — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:28:13 -0400

Create an inner circle of friends that you can turn to for support, encouragement, and to help you learn your job, maybe even help you when others are criticizing you. I heard some today tell so else they were an overachiever. I told them there is no such thing as an over achiever those who love average lives see everyone who excels at all as overachievers. You and your inner circle hold each other to a higher standard.

Response by CPO Rafael Tirona made Apr 26 at 2016 10:31 AM

CPO Rafael Tirona — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:31:01 -0400

It's one thing to see our men being killed in action and being subjected to torture and abuse as POWs...but to see our military women go through the same ordeal plus the potential sexual assaults and rapes in these POW camps will exponentially sway American public opinion on this issue. I don't believe America is emotionally ready to see that ugly reality of war and combat for our military women - I personally know, I am not. Having said all these, I wish our military women good luck and shoot for the stars and just be cognizant on the realities of combat.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 10:35 AM

Maj Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:35:17 -0400

There will always be a handful of guys who think the military is a boy's club, no matter what the official policy is or what training is mandated so don't be surprised when you see it. The best way to deal with this is: a) don't take it personally--their opinions are a reflection of themselves, not you b) always be a professional because you will continually be evaluated for your "worthiness" of that job; even when you don't think you are being watched, you are c) take advantage of and learn from the positive aspects of your position (men and women, education, benefits, etc.) d) seek out a female mentor, preferably someone who has been in your shoes and can give you advice when you need it or if you just need someone to vent to.
A few other things...don't expect to be treated differently. Never use your gender as an excuse as to why you can't do your job. Be yourself--don't feel like you have to "act like a man" to be accepted. If you don't feel comfortable with certain behavior, don't partake. Above all, try to keep a "big picture" of where you are in your career. If you don't like where you end up, chances are in a few years you will move somewhere else or can cross-train. Never give up!

Response by CPL Mathew Parris made Apr 26 at 2016 10:39 AM

CPL Mathew Parris — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:39:34 -0400

As a former 19d (cavalry scout) and platoon c.a.s trainer I can say this when you are in any class c.l.s, fire support/artillery and or any of many others PAY ATTENTION your platoon will be counting on you do what you are told take notes learn every facet of your MOS. For those of you wanting to become cavalry carry on the tradition carry the sabres with Pride and earn your spurs

Response by SSG Richard Reilly made Apr 26 at 2016 10:40 AM

SSG Richard Reilly — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:40:05 -0400

on the rank line is a "add" link.

Response by SSG(P) Brian Kliesen made Apr 26 at 2016 10:40 AM

SSG(P) Brian Kliesen — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:40:17 -0400

Initially, the female soldier needs to be in top physical condition. Being physically fit from the beginning will give you a step up on all those others that may not be prepared and will give everyone else (male/female/cadre) one less thing to complain about. Be mentally prepared and become as knowledgeable as possible on your future job and the Army Basics. Know that you will be surrounded by a lot of young, immature males who are likely to not know how to treat women as their peers. Grow some thick skin but don't take crap from anyone. There will be some comments, some joking, some stares and it will be difficult. You will be pushed and you will be challenged. Be professional, be cautious but be ready to do everything. Watch out for your fellow female soldiers and hopefully they will do the same for you.

Response by MSgt Roger Hoyle made Apr 26 at 2016 10:41 AM

MSgt Roger Hoyle — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:41:10 -0400

Being a combat veteran myself I would welcome female soldiers that pass all training and accept the same conditions their male companions have to live by. No favortism.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 10:41 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:41:37 -0400

As a 28 year veteran I have seen strong Soldiers and weak Soldiers. Regardless of gender, those who have the determination and skills to succeed will. Don't give up, when you think you are about to break, dig deep and pull that last ounce of strength to reach the goal and don't look back.

Response by MAJ Bill Darling made Apr 26 at 2016 10:45 AM

MAJ Bill Darling — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:45:54 -0400

Don't be a social justice warrior. Do strive to meet the male fitness standards (not the minimums) of your organization. Expected to be treated like everyone else, which is to say, like a male. Don't seek, expect, or accept special accommodations because of your sex. Do your best to excel at your job and always work on your leadership skills. Don't use feminine wiles to get ahead or your way. Grow a thick skin. Realize that getting razzed, insulted, put down or shown disrespect might have nothing to do with you being a woman. Don't flirt with, date, or hook up with anyone in your unit, especially someone in your chain of command even when your peers, subordinates or superiors initiate it. Know that your attitude about your fellow soldiers, your unit(s) and your branch will change over time.

Response by LTC Roderic Hewlett made Apr 26 at 2016 10:47 AM

LTC Roderic Hewlett — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:47:29 -0400

Prepare for culture shock, develop a positive "can-do" attitude, mission first, willingness to accept success and failure and know when to make actionable decisions.

Response by MSG Tony Reilly made Apr 26 at 2016 11:02 AM

MSG Tony Reilly — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 11:02:55 -0400

Well the best advice you can give them is if they are willing to die in service for their country and able to meet with and defeat the enemy head on then go infantry! If they can meet the same standards as infantry men and can carry a wounded soldier with his/her kit on and still return fire while maneuvering to safety than by all means they are welcome to join. If they don't expect special treatment because they are female and if they don't mind humping a 60+lbs ruck and not being at the rear of the formation/movement than go infantry! If their not there just to prove some PC point and to actually want to kill the enemy then go infantry. If their just for the college fund than they are in the wrong place. As a recruiter, don't lie or try to make the job sound more exciting or better than it actually is, you might want to have a packed ruck in your office and make everyone do a mile for time (guys and gals).
Hope this helps,

Response by SFC Anthony Pawlisz, PMP made Apr 26 at 2016 11:04 AM

SFC Anthony Pawlisz, PMP — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 11:04:58 -0400

As a former Marine Infantry guy, Army Paratrooper and a son in the Army as well. I gave my son this advice when he wanted to go Infantry, ranger, etc. Don't do it. While I applaud you or anyone else that want to be in Combat arms, the life you live and the wear and tear on your body will be with you for life. The day to day ops tempo is a tremendous step up from anything else you have been doing. Not sure what they do today, but back in the Old Corps, we did PT for 2-3 hours 5 days a week, including boots and Utes runs on the beach for 10-12 miles, then at least twice a month a 26 mile Mcrest march with full combat gear and if you were in a weapons company that could mean humping the 81mm mortar base plate (29lbs) on top of your weighted 70lb ruck, after PT. We had a hard charging CO of 3rd Bn 1St Marines who decided it was a good idea to Ruck march to 29 Palms from Camp Pendleton before a 3 week CAX at the stumps, 126 miles in 5 days, the we started the CAX. At the CAX we lived in GP tiny's, yes pup tents, in the dessert, for 3 weeks no showers, no bathrooms. At Marine Corps Mountain warfare training center in Bridgeport, Ca, for the winter package you are humping even more weight on your back due to the increase in amount of clothes and supplies you need. so essentially it is 80-100 lbs on your back plus weapons, radios, batteries, etc. Our usual load was about 100-125 lbs on our back, and if your airborne, I know many a men that had trouble shuffling to the door with full combat loads, but if all this sounds fun to you and you can stand tall with the guys, I say go for it.

Response by SP5 David Busby made Apr 26 at 2016 11:08 AM

SP5 David Busby — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 11:08:35 -0400

I was a Calvery Scout going on patrols were demanding enough, what about bathroom breaks? The need for privacy? I hope this as been taken care of.

Response by MSgt Ronald Hays made Apr 26 at 2016 11:17 AM

MSgt Ronald Hays — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 11:17:59 -0400

As a USMC Retired Vietnam Veteran and historian, two goals haven't changed in combat: mission accomplishment and leave no one behind. Mission accomplishment is achieved when we make the most out of our training applying ourselves 100%, 24/7 never losing sight of the objective. As a writer and historian for the Marine Corps one common thread throughout all the events I have written about and done interviews for, including the Medal of Honor: we take care of our own. That means leaving no one behind and supporting our brothers and sisters in combat. It's not a gender, racial or sexual orientation thing - most combat Veterans will tell you they fought, were wounded and in some cases gave their lives for their fellow veterans. We are all part of the same team. Semper Fidelis.

Response by MSgt Juan Garibay made Apr 26 at 2016 11:23 AM

MSgt Juan Garibay — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 11:23:33 -0400

It's difficult to say, women are very strong where men are weak and vice-a-versa. Not sure if America is ready and believe me, I've seen women do very tough and mind boggling things...if women are willing to serve and want to put themselves in that predicament, then give them the chance. On the other hand, how will it impact or improve situations on the battlefield? Can women respond to an immediate threat? Can they casevac a man or women larger than themselves? Will they deter attention from the mission because of their sex? Can they withstand the long hours and physical exertions while in a patrol or convoy? Many questions to answer but I'm sure women can bring something to the fight. I look forward to finding out.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 11:25 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 11:25:13 -0400

I responded in an earlier thread, here is the link for the Military Athlete Ruck based selection program. I know it says SF selection but they would be benefited from this without a doubt.
http://www.gosere.af.mil/Portals/16/documents/PT%20references/RUCK-BASED%20SELECTION%20TRAINING%20PROGRAM.pdf
Aside from the PC standpoint and all the suggestions from the NON-Infantry qualified responses, all the mentoring advise is irrelevant, lets be clear there are no female Officers or NCO's currently MOSQ 11 series to be mentors. Advice is work hard, ignore the harsh language, physically and mentally prepare themselves or they will get washed out. Infantry line units have no time to do the PC thing, all the IG complaints will just alienate them.
Also they need to avoid the media, they are not celebrities they are Infantry soldiers. There is nothing special about them, now they are just a number like the rest of the Grunts. Also they need to avoid the media because if they wash out, its not enforcing the argument that they don't belong.
Avoid getting involved in a relationship with their peers, this will be the number one problem period.
I cannot put this any other way but this is the advise I've given to female police trainees and males in my civilian career, bottom line is "Don't shit where you eat", there is no PC way to put it.
Prepare physically, mentally and prepare again.
If it was up to me for both males and females Basic training would be increased to 10 or 12 weeks by the look of the PT scores of both genders I've seen at current AIT detachments. Especially for combat arms, the increase would benefit everyone all the way around. I hope this helps cause there is going to be growing pains no matter what the powers that be want or expect.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 11:25 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 11:25:26 -0400

Know your limitations. With that being said get into the best shape you can. There is no shame in trying your best and not being able to make the cut. Remember that it's not personel when training starts and that the process is meant to break you down so that the Drill Sergeants can build you and your peers into a team that will be able to function together.

Response by MSG Mark Million made Apr 26 at 2016 11:26 AM

MSG Mark Million — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 11:26:40 -0400

The biggest thing I would recommend is encouraging them to work towards meeting the same standards, by meeting the same standard as the males on a team, female team members can earn more respect and prove that old stereotypes are not a good way to measure expectations for our soldiers. Bottom line is if they can do the job and want the job they should have the option.

Response by CW4 Dana Ahl made Apr 26 at 2016 11:27 AM

CW4 Dana Ahl — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 11:27:07 -0400

These soldiers will have their work cut out for them, not only as Combat Arms, but dealing with the biased individuals that will do their best to make their life miserable. I fervently hope that you brief them that the Chain of Command is REQUIRED to support her and insure that they are equally treated. They need to be aware that the road ahead will be rougher for them until they prove themselves. Can't sugar coat the realities of what they are getting into. This is the best advice I can offer them and they have all my support.

Response by SPC Elizabeth Jones made Apr 26 at 2016 11:28 AM

SPC Elizabeth Jones — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 11:28:28 -0400

Remember that although people say that infantry Soldiers aren't used to working with females, that this is false. They have lived their whole civilian life with females...In school, doctors offices, grocery stores, neighbors and family. This doesn't have to be wierd. As with all areas in life-the best way to work together is to act like adults and as with all other areas of the Army, a female Soldier is not a female Soldier....just a Soldier. Always do you share of the work, maintain your boundaries and help out those your able to and you'll find that respect will come.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 11:29 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 11:29:07 -0400

I have worked with both male and female Soldiers, and have had both good and bad. They just need to keep motivated and strive to be the best.

Response by PO3 John Jeter made Apr 26 at 2016 11:33 AM

PO3 John Jeter — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 11:33:34 -0400

Be worthy. Give this everything you have. Take no favors, give no excuses. If you fail, do so moving forward (or trying to) with your head up. This will test you in ways you cannot imagine. The rewards are commensurate with the test.

Response by COL John Dorsey made Apr 26 at 2016 11:33 AM

COL John Dorsey — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 11:33:49 -0400

Why do we want to expose an additional group to combat? We do not send very young or very old people there is no need to expose woman. When any enemy lands on our shores then everybody gets a gun but just to expose woman to combat so they can be equally killed and wounded makes no sense. I will not even address the host of other reasons already discussed at various times. We do not need 16 year old boys or 65 year old men. Germany did in WW 2 but that was an act of desperation. I am glad woman have babies but I would not want to have to go thru that experience.
Unless we are all robots we are not going to be equal, some are stronger some are more intelligent
so trying to give woman the mind set that they really need to be in a combat position to be "equal"
is not only stupid but harmful to woman, men and the Army. John Dorsey COL, IN, Ret Viet Nam 67-68

Response by Cpl Barry Anderkin made Apr 26 at 2016 11:34 AM

Cpl Barry Anderkin — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 11:34:18 -0400

I am a former battery operated grunt and I know times have changed but combat hasn't. It is hard enough to watch one of your fiends die, but making that friend a female I think would it would be harder to accept. As male Americans since childhood we have been tought to protect, watch over, and treat females with respect. It's not that a woman's life is more precious or valuable than a mans but our up bringing would be our demise. Woman have been placed in combat over the past 14 years and that was in support roles,I don't think it is a good idea at all.
Cpl. Anderkin

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 11:36 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 11:36:02 -0400

Coming from a line unit that I currently serve in, if they can do their job without asking for special treatment. If they can accept that they will be judged on if they can do everything that the males soldiers do, a course with some limitations. Then they should be fine.

Response by SCPO Douglas DiCenso made Apr 26 at 2016 11:38 AM

SCPO Douglas DiCenso — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 11:38:08 -0400

My advice, like so many others here, is for these young women to concentrate on the job at hand and be "team" minded.
I have more advice for the NCOIC's. It is your job to develop each soldier into a team player and an asset. Do your job and they will do theirs. I speak from experience having been in charge of a Navy squadron Avionics Division with 40% female techs. I knew the composition and the prejudices the women had been dealing with before I took charge. My first act as SCPOIC (Senior Chief Petty Officer In charge) was to assemble the supervisors and all the women in my office and tell them the days of the women doing 120% to get the same evaluations as the men were over. I explained that we were there to keep the aircraft flying, maybe more but certainly nothing less and that's all I cared about. Anything that got in the way of that goal was going to be dealt with. During my three year tour there the young women did an exceptional job. Perhaps they had to accomplish a job task a little differently than some of the men such as installing a 100 lb generator on an aircraft engine but they got the job done. And after the guys got over the "women don't belong in aircraft maintenance attitude" that had been instilled in them by their previous supervisors we had a division second to none.

Response by SSG Delanda Hunt made Apr 26 at 2016 11:40 AM

SSG Delanda Hunt — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 11:40:52 -0400

Don't join combat arms unless you want your body destroyed, or you like being in a place that no one wants you there, you can compete with Men one on one in hand-to-hand combat, take the same PT test as men, because if you can't you will never have there respect, you don't mine being around a bunch of horny men, and don't forget a lot of pain and suffering. The list goes on but if this is what you want go for it, but remember this isn't a reality show.

Response by SGT Kathi Prato made Apr 26 at 2016 11:42 AM

SGT Kathi Prato — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 11:42:30 -0400

Be prepared to carry your own weight. Don't go into it thinking if it gets hard you can quit. If you want to do it, buck up and do it.

Response by LTC Richard Cooper made Apr 26 at 2016 11:42 AM

LTC Richard Cooper — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 11:42:45 -0400

I would advise to be prepared for stress fractures. When I was a TAC officer at OCS at Fort Benning the vast majority of injuries suffered by female candidates were from stress fractures in the legs and pelvic regions incurred from runs and road marches. As I recall stress fractures were one of the major reasons for female candidates to fail the course and if I recall correctly the continuing complications from stress fractures were a contributing factor in causing female officers to leave service earlier than their male counterparts. Twelve and sixteen mile timed road marches with full combat loads and five mile runs in under 40 minutes as a unit (I can recall the company running as a thundering heard on the streets at Fort Benning) can produce devastating and long lasting (permanent)injuries. I recall on numerous occasions with the five classes I was a TAC with the company marching in formation to Building 4 and trailing the main formation was a smaller formation of female candidates limping along suffering from stress fractures. So my advice would be if the standards as they are remain in place and are observed, be prepared for stress fractures which can be so severe as to cripple one's career.

Response by COL Ramon Nadal made Apr 26 at 2016 11:44 AM

COL Ramon Nadal — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 11:44:12 -0400

I am one of those who opposes females in the infantry because I have sen a fair amount of serious infantry battle (think LZ XRAY), but your question is of interest to me as I believe that I need to help all soldiers succeed. I have never given this any thought before but, off the top of my head here is what I think;
1. Sexuality among 20 year old males is always on their mind. So, young females need to be aware that they will be looked at and thought of as sexual objects and learn to comport themselves in a manner that reduces sexual attractiveness. Be professional and friendly but do not play favorites with soldiers of your unit because that will create schisms in the unit. Hopefully, the soldiers will treat them as their sister rather than as a potential sexual partner. If a soldier behaves inappropriately tell him you don't appreciate that. If it continues let the chain of command know.
Never get drunk at a party or with your fellow soldiers. Think of all the date rape that happens at colleges.
2 Be prepared to live with little or no privacy when in the field, or, more important, in combat. Think how you will survive two or three weeks in a jungle setting without changing clothes, with the enemy around you, and occasionally bathing naked in a stream.
3. Be super professional in your MOS. Do more than your share. Everyone is prepared to notice and remember if the "girl" couldn't carry the machine gun or the radio when going up the side of a mountain.
4. You will, in all likelihood, be the only female in the platoon or even the company. There are not likely to be too many women volunteer for the infantry so learn to rely on yourself for intimate conversations. Remember, men like to talk about their sexual adventures so don't give them something to talk about.
5. In combat, be courageous.

Response by Sgt Ronald Kirk made Apr 26 at 2016 11:48 AM

Sgt Ronald Kirk — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 11:48:43 -0400

1st and foremost, have respect for yourself! I was in when the 1st combat roles were opened to females and I felt the women lost self respect in attempt to "fit-in". DON'T! You will not be respected if you don't first respect yourself.

Response by PO2 Kevin LaCroix made Apr 26 at 2016 11:49 AM

PO2 Kevin LaCroix — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 11:49:58 -0400

Hit the gym. Pushups, Situps, Pullups, moving lunges. Weight training. Start hiking with a weighted pack.

Response by Sgt Richard Scott made Apr 26 at 2016 11:50 AM

Sgt Richard Scott — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 11:50:49 -0400

Tell them, it'll do one of two things. Make them, or break them. If they can't, or aren't willing to lug a 150lbs pack, 50lbs worth of ammo, a 25 lbs weapon, and still be able to lug a 200 lbs soldier (in my case Marine), then don't do it. Otherwise, best of luck.

Response by MSgt Rena Schmidt made Apr 26 at 2016 11:56 AM

MSgt Rena Schmidt — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 11:56:20 -0400

DO NOT I REPEAT DO NOT expect "special treatment" PERIOD!!!! If you can't hack it change career fields this is a mostly male (NOT FEMALE) position you want in then learn to fit in that's it!

Response by CPT Kurk Harris made Apr 26 at 2016 11:56 AM

CPT Kurk Harris — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 11:56:36 -0400

Do your job. Strive toward excellence in all areas, physical, technical, tactical, and personal. You'll be judged by your peers and superiors. Prove their doubts wrong. Put the team first, always. Ask for help if you need it. Offer help without being asked. Never quit. Many of your peers will expect you to quit when things get tough. Let them quit before you do and then pick them up without judgment. Don't ask for special accommodations, don't seek special favors. Be part of the team, hang out with the guys, not just the other females. Don't make excuses. Accept responsibility for your failures (there will be some), and give credit to your teammates for successes. Once you are accepted, you'll be treated like everyone else. Will the judgment you face be fair? No, but then life is not fair. Remember, you are walking point for all the female combat arms soldiers who follow you. Don't lead them into an ambush.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 11:57 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 11:57:10 -0400

There is no gender affiliation with the title Soldier. Best advice I could give is achieve what you set out to be. If you want to be infantry, be the best at it you can be and don't let anything stand in your way!

Response by SFC David J Jenkins made Apr 26 at 2016 11:59 AM

SFC David J Jenkins — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 11:59:44 -0400

Do your best... Stay focused...maintain situational awareness at all times.

Response by MSgt Rena Schmidt made Apr 26 at 2016 12:02 PM

MSgt Rena Schmidt — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 12:02:03 -0400

I joined in 1975 into a fighter sq. I was all of 17 years old, I decided early on put up shut up and get out of my way there is work to be done. Most respected me because I wasn't a baby and I didn't put up with the "flyboy" mentality, I didn't make them change I adapted to them. Hey I joined a male club and I didn't expect them to treat me any different. Later in my career this attitude served me well as I became a loadmaster, oh and by then I was also a Grandma!

Response by Sgt Chris Smith made Apr 26 at 2016 12:03 PM

Sgt Chris Smith — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 12:03:11 -0400

Don't do it.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 12:07 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 12:07:56 -0400

While many of these posts offer very good advice for the recruits, many missed the what advice you need to accomplish the job of putting the right recruit with the right job.
I used to be in the Navy. The recruiters would send guys to become Navy Seals. They had to pass a physical test to go to that training.
One fellow had eye glasses. He was disqualified before he even did a push-up.
Guess how he felt? And I saw a lot of cases like this.
While as a recruiter you have to make your goals, know what the recruit needs to be able to do to accomplish the course. No one joins to fail.
Make sure these women are physically fit and meet the physical requirements needed to pass the course and do the job.
I know thy are coming out with a Physical ASVAB. Those guidelines seem a bit relaxed. I can blow them out and I am an old man who hasn't PTd in six months....
You may want to contact trainers in the programs and see what they think should be a base requirement (male and female) before having people sent to them.
If your sending people to programs to get a gold star and then they fail out, you are not helping them or the military.

Response by LT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 12:13 PM

LT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 12:13:35 -0400

Know what the real mission entails. Do not watch movies for your research. Find someone who has combat experience in a real line company. This does not include supply, mechanized units ect., but only those whose primary job was/is to put a pack on their back and march. Look at the study the Marine Corps did on combat related jobs that was provided to the DOD and congress which showed the impact combat related jobs have on the body male and female. Ensure your expectations are realistic.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 12:15 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 12:15:25 -0400

Train harder than your male counterparts.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 12:18 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 12:18:59 -0400

If they choose to go into a direct ground combat MOS than they should be willing to accept the rigors and hardships associated with these MOSs. Know that as females, they have everything to gain by meeting and exceeding the already high standards of these jobs for they are trail blazers in. Anything less will feed the negative stereotypes being touted with regard to the skills, abilities, and toughness of female military members. As a female XO in one of my earlier assignments had on her desk the expression: "Good, Better, Best - Do Good until your better is best and never let it rest."

Response by SPC Jim Jay made Apr 26 at 2016 12:20 PM

SPC Jim Jay — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 12:20:33 -0400

I think the women should be working in the office and admistrative jobs that are very honorable and important.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 12:22 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 12:22:22 -0400

my advice is if you think you have what it takes then go for it. It will not be easy by any means and yes you do have a lot to prove not only to yourself but to the ones on your left and right. Just because you have the mentality " I can do anything a man can do", is not the right mindset for the obstacles you will have to overcome mentally and physically.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 12:30 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 12:30:31 -0400

Be tough as your counter part. Don't let the males out soldier you time for women to stand up for themselves! If a combat job is your goal go for it, just don't accept or expect any, double standard in your favor. BE ARMY STRONG!

Response by SFC Kenneth Heckathorn made Apr 26 at 2016 12:32 PM

SFC Kenneth Heckathorn — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 12:32:20 -0400

If you can do the task & get the mission done. That's all that matters . SAME requirements for all

Response by SFC Jimmy Hernandez-Benitez made Apr 26 at 2016 12:35 PM

SFC Jimmy Hernandez-Benitez — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 12:35:44 -0400

They should learn as much as they can, be strong minded, and speak up when they are abuse or discriminated against. Don't try to prove anything to nobody but yourself, use always your knowledge and thank your service.

Response by SSG Gene Carroll SR. made Apr 26 at 2016 12:42 PM

SSG Gene Carroll SR. — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 12:42:18 -0400

I don't really like to see this, But I know it's here. To build up our combat troops, and other fields on need in the sevices to our country. Combat is not where I would want to see them although I know they can do it.

Response by SFC Kim Armstrong made Apr 26 at 2016 12:56 PM

SFC Kim Armstrong — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 12:56:22 -0400

My advice is to be resilient support the other females that are going through the course. Most of all watch the guys, for they will use you femininity against you.Stay focused, stay on point and guard your assets. If you have to cry of which you will, go to a corner or alone and let it out . The more you are told you can not this will be when you will be more determined to succeed.

Response by LTC Angie Habina made Apr 26 at 2016 12:59 PM

LTC Angie Habina — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 12:59:37 -0400

Females are already in combat arms units. We lead in them, we command in them. We all know that, we just serve in different capacities. Many of us have run the gauntlet and earned respect by being able to keep up and know our craft.
But there are some disturbing trends over the years I've noticed while serving in combat arms units.
First of all, respect yourself. Don't compromise. Do not give anyone any reason to question your integrity.
Second, do not ask or demand special treatment. You are an example which will reflect on the rest of us. You had better be tough. Tougher than you ever thought possible.
Third, learn to pee where the boys do. Learn how to clean your body quickly and thoroughly so you don't get sick.
Forth, do not be the female that lets every man "run through" her. I had the most problems with females trying to fit in by letting themselves be passed around.
Fifth, never lose control of yourself. Not just emotionally or mentally, but physically. If you're not able to drink and keep up, don't.
Sixth, start working on your run, push ups, and trigger squeeze now.

Response by TSgt Robert Carter made Apr 26 at 2016 1:00 PM

TSgt Robert Carter — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:00:45 -0400

As a social worker, i have seen many women traumatized by military service and how their treated both on the battlefield and off. My advice? Protect yourself and remain vigilant ladies, reconsider what you're doing and do what your loved ones want you to do. Be true to yourself always.

Response by Cpl Glynis Sakowicz made Apr 26 at 2016 1:01 PM

Cpl Glynis Sakowicz — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:01:32 -0400

OK... here's my thoughts. Generations of women have fought to get those women to the door... its up to them to make it work, but there are some things that they should know right from the "Get-Go"
1. If you want the job, and you GET the job, don't expect any slack doing the job, just because you're a woman.

2. Don't screw it up! A hundred years ago, women dreamed of being allowed to do SOMETHING besides office work and nursing. It took a hundred years of countless women PROVING that they could do the job, before they were allowed tiny steps... we've gained, an inch at a time, a million tiny victories. We proved ourselves by doing the jobs we were given....

3. Remember you aren't at the end of the line. Somewhere behind you, there are little girls watching you, and thinking, "I can do that..." and they will only be allowed to do it, if you perform that job to the best of your ability, and push that gate open just a little wider for those little girls waiting behind you.

4. You will never be alone... when you step into those jobs you've earned, all you have to do is close your eyes for just a heartbeat, and you will feel the rest of us cheering you on... the Women who have served in EVERY war this country has... who've done so much for so long... to give you the OPPORTUNITY of even considering a combat role. Every step you take, those of us who pushed open those gates for you to walk thru, will be high-fiving each other and doing the fist-pump, because you are living what we worked for... Go live the dream, sister...

Response by SGT Dave Matteson made Apr 26 at 2016 1:04 PM

SGT Dave Matteson — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:04:10 -0400

I have worked with men and women in civilian and military police units. I will share this: I have worked with men and women who were built for the job and I have worked with men and women who should have never been in that position. Toe the line. Hold your own. Bear the burden given to you and don't let anyone give you crap. But most of all understand what you are getting yourself into. It won't be a walk in the sun and most won't want you there. Good luck and change your socks!

Response by BG David Fleming III made Apr 26 at 2016 1:05 PM

BG David Fleming III — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:05:50 -0400

Find a mentor fast and learn all you can. Pick wisely and make sure the leader you choice as a mentor is knowledgible in doctrine and has the experience to back it up! Finally, Never lay down with dog if you don't want flees!!!

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 1:11 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:11:02 -0400

Here are some random thoughts. My perspective- I served over 20 years, MP, light infantry, aviation. My wife has served over 20 years- rigger, pilot, now a surgeon. Daughter is currently in AIT for a recently opened combat arms.
1. This is one you can't control but the Army needs to come to grips with. Not all women will have the build to endure the rigors of combat arms such as infantry and engineers. I think my daughter said about 30% of the females in her class had to reclassify due to stress injuries on their bodies, primarily their hips. Stamina they were fine. This is just in basic/AIT. I can't imagine what the long term effects will be on some of these kids.
2. What you can do is try to find girls who are already in good shape- soccer, lacrosse, field hockey players for example. mentally these girls will also probably have what they need to make it through; many probably already dealt with guys on the playing field. My daughter was a soccer player and has played against boys since she was little. They are use to being hot/cold/tired and miserable yet still performing.
3. Get them to the gym. Have them work on their core and other exercises that will protect their knees and hips. Look at what some of the sports I mentioned use. If you bring them in for PT don't waste their time. Show them exercises that can be done outside of the gym. Spartan.com has some great ones as an example.
4. Work on push ups since this seems to be a consistent weakness. About the only way to do this is to... Do tons of push up. Look at some of the links on how to improve push ups.
5. Get them on a good diet. Fortunately it seems the Army has changed in this respect. My daughter said in basic the drill sergeants were stressing proper nutrition, almost like a D1 sports team. Again, a female body is different and the places where they put on weight makes them prone to injuries.
Again, I go back to sports for examples. If a person is selected to play college sports they normally get a summer work out program that is very specific- diet and exercise. I think something like this would be helpful for recruits.

Response by CPT Dara Juliett made Apr 26 at 2016 1:11 PM

CPT Dara Juliett — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:11:09 -0400

My advice-know your boundaries. Working in such close proximity to the other sex, in an adrenaline filled situation, can be dangerous and cause you to make stupid choices. Before you get into that situation, be sure to know your boundaries. Don't shit where you eat.

Response by SPC Sharoline Chacon made Apr 26 at 2016 1:12 PM

SPC Sharoline Chacon — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:12:39 -0400

Female are strong I want to be the first want

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Apr 26 at 2016 1:15 PM

SGM Mikel Dawson — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:15:52 -0400

If you've read SGM Erik Marquez's post, then you got my post as well. I fully concur.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 1:19 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:19:06 -0400

As a Seabee (Navy combat engineer-ish job), I've seen some Sisters that were completely capable of outworking the men and remaining humble, and I've seen those that use the, "I can't because I'm a GIRL!!" b.s. My advice:

Be yourself. If you can't do something, don't make excuses. Admitting you need help is perfectly fine, as long as you have a legitimate need or desire for assistance, and not just because you're a princess or a "girl". People will probably be expecting that behavior; don't give them that victory.

Take no stupidity from anyone. If they give you grief, call them out on it in a manner befitting their rank and where you are (i.e. in the smoke pit vice in formation), but don't immediately bust up to the SNCO or someone just because someone made fun of you (that goes for ANYONE, regardless of gender or orientation/preference).

Know your strengths AND weaknesses. Keep your strengths toned, and strengthen your weaknesses.

Be humble, but don't be timid.

Don't live the stereotype. Be one that RAISES the bar, not the one to which the bar is lowered.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 1:19 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:19:23 -0400

They need to go into those positions knowing they are going to get some push back from the males. They need to keep their heads down and focus on the task at hand and prove they are capable of doing the same job as we are

Response by SSG Luis Feliciano made Apr 26 at 2016 1:19 PM

SSG Luis Feliciano — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:19:39 -0400

As a former 19K (Tanker), i will tell u this:
Have your recruits understand that combat arms is not something to experiment on. You will be dirty, you will deploy eventually, you will be training a lot and expect a lot of wear and tear on your body.

Response by MCPO Linda Schwind made Apr 26 at 2016 1:20 PM

MCPO Linda Schwind — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:20:16 -0400

Ensure that your intent to attempt this program is the desire for your success and the success of your team and not for the history you may make. There is a proud tradition that you will be joining if you succeed. It is not about you. There maybe times that you are tested, but not because you are a female but because they are looking for the best.

Response by SMSgt Steve Neal made Apr 26 at 2016 1:21 PM

SMSgt Steve Neal — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:21:22 -0400

Agree w/ SGM Marquez that color and gender should not matter in the military. There's a lot to be said for team diversity with a positive mental attitude and for collaborating to overcome any single teammate's shortcomings. Having built a dozen award-winning teams at as many assignments, I know how to get the whole team on track for our big-picture goals instead of dwelling on our differences.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 1:30 PM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:30:11 -0400

It sounds like every one has it covered...do your job as a soldier. Don't whine about your job, you picked the job, own it. As a female seabee, I despised females who would complain, you make us all look bad. Especially now with theses changes; for these jobs it will be their first time dealing with females in a work environment, don't set a bad precedent. If you want the respect, earn it!

Response by 1LT Orion LaPalm made Apr 26 at 2016 1:32 PM

1LT Orion LaPalm — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:32:17 -0400

You are part of the problem. Some of these young women are going to end up in a terrible situation and you are the one that helped put them there. I hope you are proud of yourself.

Response by GySgt Steven Robeson made Apr 26 at 2016 1:37 PM

GySgt Steven Robeson — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:37:13 -0400

(1) Remember that the most important four-letter word in ANY warrior's vocabulary is DUCK! (2) Pay attention in training (3) Remember your training (4) Trust your shipmates / battle buddies.

Response by CPL Charlie Smith made Apr 26 at 2016 1:46 PM

CPL Charlie Smith — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:46:44 -0400

Keep your head down and your ears open. Build alliasances with supply, cooks and mechanics, they are your life line when deployed. Don't over trust anyone who hasn't earned the right to call you by your first name. Association is key to success and the road to failer, guard it tight. Welcome to the dream, FREEDOM!!

Response by SMSgt Dave Swearingin made Apr 26 at 2016 1:52 PM

SMSgt Dave Swearingin — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:52:51 -0400

Be Humble, do your job, don't let others mistake your kindness for weakness.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 2:00 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 14:00:04 -0400

The female soldiers need to be made aware of what the conditions will be like in combat and that they should be able to handle the physicalities of the job.

Response by PO1 Kerry French made Apr 26 at 2016 2:08 PM

PO1 Kerry French — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 14:08:22 -0400

Font ask for or expect any special treatment. Do exactly what you ate told and don't argue. Also don't try to pretend you are a man. Because you aren't.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 2:19 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 14:19:57 -0400

SSG Viglietta, what advice are you giving them now....SGM Marquez is spot on, but what are your feelings, and if it were you, what would you be doing to make sure you were ready?

Response by SPC Rory J. Mattheisen made Apr 26 at 2016 2:35 PM

SPC Rory J. Mattheisen — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 14:35:26 -0400

Go to work and do your job. Do it better than every person around you and don't stop till you can. If you are not a type A (ALPHA) personality, pick a different MOS. Grunts victimize men who are not type A, but if you go out and hand them their ass, they will die for you. Be the best soldier in your unit, not one of the guys.

Response by SSG Jayne Reed made Apr 26 at 2016 2:45 PM

SSG Jayne Reed — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 14:45:02 -0400

Remember that you are a *soldier*. Expect and demand to be treated as such at all times.
Take no crap.

Response by SPC James Mast made Apr 26 at 2016 2:45 PM

SPC James Mast — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 14:45:15 -0400

Do your job, keep your eyes, and ears open and your mouth shut!!

Response by PVT John Williams made Apr 26 at 2016 2:47 PM

PVT John Williams — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 14:47:37 -0400

Just get it done and don't ask for any special favors. If you can't handle it , nine times out of ten it's not going to be your fault. If it is , then I think you already know the solution.

Response by SFC Michael Palmer made Apr 26 at 2016 2:49 PM

SFC Michael Palmer — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 14:49:25 -0400

Great question!.
When I say "you" in this reply I am referring to those female potential recruits; it is you talking to/advising them
My thoughts are that EVERYONE is going to have to grow up and face the fact of "communal living", especially in Combat Arms MOS's. That means men are going to see you urinate and defecate in the field and you are going to see them doing the same. You are going to get naked in front of men and they are going to get naked in front of you.
I was 11-series for 14 of my 23 years and the thing about the Infantry is this: you WILL pull your own weight. Period. I have met some female Soldiers who were rock-hard and could hump a LOT of weight, I have seen some male Soldiers who were complete wimps.
If I remember correctly, the Army makes exceptions during menstruation for certain physical things, but, if you ask for those exceptions, you may be frowned upon. Suck it up. I do NOT mean that to be sexist in any way. It is just fact.
Intimate relationships within a unit, even if they do not violate the Fraternization Policy, erode morale. They create jealousy and resentment. Find someone from a different unit or who is a civilian (this applies to male Soldiers as well).
Hope these help. It is, again, going to be an awkward "deal with it" transition requiring a lot of maturity on all sides.
Best of luck, recruit some good Soldiers!!!

Response by CPL Bhonehomie Reed made Apr 26 at 2016 2:57 PM

CPL Bhonehomie Reed — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 14:57:00 -0400

I feel that if they can meet the required standards and training, on the same equal level as the males, then they deserve the opportunity. The biggest question in this issue is the emotional aspect while under direct enemy contact and how the males would react to an injured female. Of course the biggest and most obvious concern is the sexual harassment. How do you segregate the females from the males and protect them in a combat environment? The only way to find out for sure is to assign females to select combat units and document the activity. Israel has been using integrated units for years and they have some of the best trained females anywhere. Russia has also integrated their spetznat units and that proved successful. The proof is in the doing and I believe it can be successfully accomplished with proper training and execution. Personal accountability and discipline are required to accomplish this task. Let's hope the DOD does this and gives the females a fair opportunity to prove that they can be all that they can be. This is only my opinion.

Response by CPL Brendan Hayes made Apr 26 at 2016 2:57 PM

CPL Brendan Hayes — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 14:57:41 -0400

SSG Bethany Viglietta This is the advice I give anyone when they ask, "What should I expect?" Be ready to be treated poorly. This is not (or rather should not) be due to gender. Rather it will be due to the fact that these soldiers are trainees. As such, they will be treated poorly. From speaking with those outside combat arms, it seems like the treatment lessens after BCT. Going through AIT was not a whole lot different from boot (I wasn't in an OSUT unit either). The reason for this is the DS and cadre are trying to prepare civilians for some of the most stressful jobs on the planet, and you can't do that through kindness and special treatment. Once training is done, the atmosphere should change a bit, but that is going to vary unit to unit.

In a nutshell: Follow orders. Move with a purpose. Stay motivated.

Response by PO1 Aaron Baltosser made Apr 26 at 2016 2:59 PM

PO1 Aaron Baltosser — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 14:59:53 -0400

I would be the wrong one to ask. I was forced to warch 36 out if 40 in my Field Medical Service School platoon blatantly cheat to 'pass' because they were physically unfit for duty as FMF Corpsman assigned with Marines. The instructors looked the other way because it was easier than explaining a 90% failure rate. The same lowering of standards has happened in the F-14 training program, the Blackhawk training program, and every other military role where there has been a rigorous training standard. That standard has always been lowered for females to pass and often resulted in deaths, destroyed equipment, and wasted billet space.
Having females in a combat billet is acceptable in one case only. The instructors actually hold them to a training standard, AND that standard never gets lowered to tailor the school for females to pas with an unrealistic opportunity. Combat is the great equalizer. There are no shortcuts.

Response by SGT Hugh Bowman made Apr 26 at 2016 3:03 PM

SGT Hugh Bowman — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 15:03:24 -0400

From my time in the military very few combat related job really prepares you for the outside world if it's 3 years down the line or 20. There are few but it's few. My advice is to pick a mos that will prepare you for a unforgiving world especially if your time is during peace

Response by CPL Glynnda White made Apr 26 at 2016 3:10 PM

CPL Glynnda White — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 15:10:09 -0400

Excellent edit....all I suggest is females be treated exactly the same as men in the specialized units of the military-if they cannot pass under the given standards they should not be given the position. They should also be warned (which is fair) that if they go into combat and are captured they will very likely be subjected to rape and likely many times over. Please be reminded everyone that the US is one of a handful of nations on earth that actually practices Geneva Convention standards when it comes to prisoners. I am a first degree black belt in Tae Kwon Do, not much I know, but I trained with males, all of whom were bigger than me, and I kicked their tails just fine, my best running time was 6 min 30 sec mile, I know this is better than a good percentage of males.....I'm just sayin' women can do it if they want it, without the special treatment.....They don't need any favors from politically and/or horny males or power hungry females who need a female victim to hold on to their power. In basic I witnessed a number of females gaining "special" favors from male drills and I saw those otherwise good NCO's lose their rank. I don't like females who play this game, they are a serious insult to the women who do it the right way. I have no respect for them and I have a serious problem with women and men mixing due to experiencing this problem throughout my military career. Yes I blame the males however it was females seeking favor who instigated.....disgusting and should have been treated as sexual harassment and the "Ladies" involved given the boot out of the military. Did these females just have something to prove or did they really want to be Rangers, or was it just to further their military careers...I'm hoping it was door number two and if so that they will be frank and honest about their training without congressional inquiry...

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 3:12 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 15:12:47 -0400

don't...

Response by SPC Chance Chappell made Apr 26 at 2016 3:16 PM

SPC Chance Chappell — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 15:16:02 -0400

I would tell them to nail the fundamentals of shooting and land navigation. Stay true to your fellow brothers and now sisters in arms. Be as fit and as strong as you can, as you may have to drag or carry the person next to you if injured, and always keep a motivated and positive attitude.

Response by SGT Marvin Luciano made Apr 26 at 2016 3:17 PM

SGT Marvin Luciano — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 15:17:22 -0400

This is so simple, plain common sense. Just as in any civilian position, just make sure you are FULLY CAPABLE of performing the tasks related to your job/MOS. Dare not ask for special considerations, neither biological nor physical reasons. Show fairness and you will be treated fair. Immediately draw the line which NO ONE (same gender included) CANNOT cross. Equal performance will result in equal treatment, promotions, leadership positions, etc. Forget about being male or female: JUST BE A SOLDIER
HOOAH !!!

Response by SPC Wanda Vergara-Yates made Apr 26 at 2016 3:20 PM

SPC Wanda Vergara-Yates — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 15:20:09 -0400

If women who aim to meet the same standards as their male counterparts actually meet or beat their male counterparts, then they should have the same opportunities open to them. Look at the strategic opportunities for female combat teams that can go into sensitive areas where males might not be able to get in. However, I want to see combat MOS soldiers held to standard for what the job requires. If they can meet those standards without a lowered bar, let them serve in that capacity. If not, reclassify them to a specialty where their skills and capabilities match up, just like the military is supposed to do everywhere else.

Response by SFC Erin Barnett made Apr 26 at 2016 3:39 PM

SFC Erin Barnett — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 15:39:23 -0400

I would say this to everyone in uniform. It is going to be a challenge. When I joined, women were only allowed in admin rolls. When they opened none combat support rolls, it took years to figure things out. Stuff you don't even think about until you hit E-7 or O-3. TO&E's had to be changed to add extra tents and supplies. Ever thought about adding feminine napkins to the unit mod kit? Just be patient, it is going to take time. These are the things that are going to be hard. No one has ever questioned their ability to fire a weapon.

Response by SN Kuuleme Williams made Apr 26 at 2016 3:46 PM

SN Kuuleme Williams — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 15:46:49 -0400

Don't ask for special treatment. We are all doing our part! There will be folks who can not control themselves, but that is their problem and there are serious consequences for that. If a female can meet or beat the regs, then more power to her! I did it and so can others!

Response by SFC Thomas Holcomb made Apr 26 at 2016 4:01 PM

SFC Thomas Holcomb — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 16:01:04 -0400

It is a very tough life. The first 20 plus years I was a Field Artillery Man, 13B, D,F, E, somewhere i fit in becoming a Pathfinder, 27M, along with being Airborne, it's lonely hard stress full then after 30 i was hurt and medical Retired if anyone's ready to live in some the most ungodly places on earth then go for it and as a 92y40 in a artillery battalion hq is no cake walk

Response by CDR Bob Fuller made Apr 26 at 2016 4:15 PM

CDR Bob Fuller — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 16:15:32 -0400

My squadron had 2 of the first women to fly combat aircraft in the Navy (A-6 Intruder training squadron). The standard was to land on an aircraft carrier at night. You can't lower that standard. As a former USMC infantry guy (enlisted & officer), I believe the Army infantry has standards that haven't failed it for 230+ years. Much like what SGM Marquez says: Do your job, carry your weight, do more than your share of the task. In the end, to a small unit, what matters most is the content of your character.

Response by PV2 Steven Stockwell made Apr 26 at 2016 4:19 PM

PV2 Steven Stockwell — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 16:19:37 -0400

Hi Staff Sargent I Dont Really Have Any Advice Other Than To Tell Them To Be Honest With There Self Before They Join For Those Type Of M.O.S. If They Feel They Our Physically And Mentally Cut Out For Those Roles A Lot Of Women Our But Unfortunitly Some Are Not As Well As A Lot Males Today As Well But Unfortunitlly These Women Will Be The First To Try And All Women After Them Be Judged By How They Handle There Selfs I Wish Them All The Best I Was Glad Two Hear That Two Woman Graduated Ranger School Last Year That News For All Future Women To Come I Surved In The 1980s The Military Was A Very Chuvanistic Military Back Then I Had A Fiance Back Then Who Surved In The 82ND Airborne Training Men To Go Over And Fight For Us But At That Time Even Though She Was More Than Qulified They Would Not Let Her Go Unfortunitll She Long Gone Now I Wish She Lived Long Enough To See This Happing .Wish Them Luck From Me A Former Infantryman With The 10TH Mountain Division Who Suports Them Serving BE All You Can Be It Still Fits As A Motto

Response by CPL James Ross made Apr 26 at 2016 4:22 PM

CPL James Ross — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 16:22:46 -0400

....... the question asked was about "women"being sent into Combat. I have read many of the responses and agree with several. however it wasn't asked should females be permitted in the Military, it was should they be 'joining' Combat Units ? Many of you have "danced around" the real answer, (for both Male & Females) ....... Are you ready to take another Human Life ???....... Can you, with-out hesitation Kill a person ? If your answer is No, or I don't know, I do-not trust you to "have my back" when the shooting starts.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 4:23 PM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 16:23:16 -0400

Young Soldiers are just that, young Soldiers. Give these Army prospects the same advice you would give any young recruit; there will be a rough road ahead, stay focused and remember why you are joining the greatest Military in the World. We don't know what lies ahead for any Soldier, and 100 years from now is very uncertain, but we do know it's the people with bravery to challenge traditions who will shape it.

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Apr 26 at 2016 4:23 PM

SFC Jim Ruether — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 16:23:27 -0400

I think personally that women in military combat jobs is ethically wrong but since that ship has set sail I won't dwell on it. This has always been an observation among the men in my family and I won't disrespect these former soldiers, sailors and airmen who feel this way by saying times have changed. Men and women who elect to go into the Combat Arms MOS's will need to prove on a daily basis that they are there to do a job just like anyone else in those Mos's. This means a discipline and patience when they are judged by others who don't believe they should be there. This means a steadfast determination to succeed and even excel when males in these same units are merely doing their jobs. This means an acceptance when a fellow soldier dies in their unit, be it male or female and they have to deal with that loss and move on. I wish these individuals that want to be treated equal and be in Combat Arms Mos's the very best of luck and I hope you know what you are getting into. A short time ago a friend told me when I had mentioned that I had never been in combat that I should be happy. Combat changes you in ways you will never understand....it just does.

Response by COL Ed Mullin made Apr 26 at 2016 4:23 PM

COL Ed Mullin — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 16:23:58 -0400

The key is upper body strength. Most women lack the upper body strength required for close combat fighting. Many young men also lack the fighting skills that were learned through experience in previous generations. Soldiers need the strength and ability to put a bayonet through the enemy's spleen even when exhausted, scared and hungry. If you have the desire and ability you will be successful.

Response by CPT Erik Eriksen made Apr 26 at 2016 4:37 PM

CPT Erik Eriksen — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 16:37:50 -0400

I come from a time that having women in combat units was unthinkable. However, even then, there were only two thoughts on my mind: "Mission first and men (people) always." Having said that, I think that there are three points that I would like to make.
1. You have to train and be prepared to complete the mission at all times. You will not be treated equally...you are a minority. You will have to work harder and smarter to be considered an equal. It may not be fair, but it is a function of being a minority. This will change, over time, but slowly. If you have questions about this comment, ask a black or Hispanic soldier (depending on the demographics of your unit) how they feel.
2. Regardless of how the last ten or twenty years has brought this male/female equality to the point we are at now, there are hundreds (or thousands) of years of culture we are trying to over turn. Do not expect it all to happen at once. I am not only talking about sexual attitudes, but philosophical and social attitudes and manners as well. For example, if I, as a Captain, held the door for a female of lower rank, that may be good manners, but it may also seem condescending. The same for doing physical tasks. My advice is to take all of these things into consideration, take them in stride, and be professional. This may be difficult for everyone in some ways.
3. There are different attitudes based on age. Young men and women today may be able to work together very well. Your higher ranking men and women may not find this quite so easy. So be cognizant of the fact that the senior ranking people (senior NCOs and officers) may find this more of a struggle and act accordingly. These are, most likely, the people that will act the most negatively if you pull the "female" card.
In the end, remember that the mission comes first and your fellow soldiers come always. Be all you can be!

Response by SN William Besold made Apr 26 at 2016 4:49 PM

SN William Besold — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 16:49:03 -0400

Only i can say girls do you job and watch your back and make your ship mates proud

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 4:51 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 16:51:28 -0400

Ssg I may only have been in a hot minute but my advice from my limited experience is this.....tell them that they can't act like they are entitled to anything extra and to expect to be on the receiving end of some disdain. Tell them to pt on their own using the male standard and to constantly strive to be better then all their male counterparts

Response by CW3 Tommy Daniel made Apr 26 at 2016 4:52 PM

CW3 Tommy Daniel — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 16:52:01 -0400

Do not change the training program because of physical abilities. Combat is combat and if a female can pass the training, both physical and mental, she will do great in combat. We may look different on the outside but we all bleed red.

Response by Cpl Stanley Richards made Apr 26 at 2016 4:56 PM

Cpl Stanley Richards — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 16:56:58 -0400

It is CRAZY, women do NOT have the stamina or Strength of a man. In combat they cannot fireman's carry a man to safety. Women captured will be raped and tortured worse than men. Also young soldiers and Marines will fall in love on the front lines, and if he or she cheats on the front lines where grenades and live rounds are always on hand, there will be deaths over lovers, furthermore pregnancy will allow women to immediately go to the rear with gear. So what does that do to unit readiness??? This idea is thought up to ruin the military by think tanks that work for the elite. This is NOT just some crazy idea, this is planned!

Response by SPC Robert Norton made Apr 26 at 2016 5:04 PM

SPC Robert Norton — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 17:04:41 -0400

IMO don't. I have seen too many women put in a bad position around animals. i would call them men but lets face it if they were all men there would be no reason to have this discussion. On the other hand, do you not do what you want because of fear. its a tough choice. I suggest if serving your country is your goal take something 1 more tangible on the outside 2 a more diverse crowd of staffing.

Response by SSG Connie Wilson made Apr 26 at 2016 5:11 PM

SSG Connie Wilson — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 17:11:30 -0400

Find a good nco or officer depending on your rank to be your mentor that is more old school and learn from them. Push yourself to learn everything you can about your job and be the best you can. Learn everything about your rank and the one above yours as well because that is what you are stiving for. Never play where you work meaning dont sleep with your buddies but always learn and follow the seven army values. Thoses buddies you may need to have your back one day and they may need you. Always do your best

Response by SGT Steven Gnagi made Apr 26 at 2016 5:15 PM

SGT Steven Gnagi — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 17:15:47 -0400

The same thing I would tell any soldier; Get the most out of your training, stay out of trouble, obey orders. After all, they are soldiers.

Response by LT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 5:18 PM

LT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 17:18:34 -0400

Try your hardest, but remember why you joined the Army in the first place. If it was to be combat arms, only combat arms, and you will feel perpetually inadequate if you don't make it into combat arms--you may be deeply disappointed, because not everyone will make it through. If you joined the Army to be the best Soldier you could be, regardless of where you ended up, do that.

Response by MSgt Rosemary Connolly made Apr 26 at 2016 5:28 PM

MSgt Rosemary Connolly — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 17:28:23 -0400

I'm glad you started this thread because I will be the womens veteran advisor to our state Amvets commander in about a month. I don't know what I'll be doing or try to approach the subject but I do know I want to help. To answer your question, I would just remind these ladies the I bleed the same as a man and neither does this job for that purpose.

Response by LCpl Chris Kelliher made Apr 26 at 2016 5:31 PM

LCpl Chris Kelliher — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 17:31:59 -0400

It's a tuff call. If my daughter joined the military and wanted to be a combat soldier, and she was tough as nails and could handle the job great, but if I knew she physically could not handle the job or mentally I would talk her out of it.

Response by MAJ Bill Maynard made Apr 26 at 2016 5:39 PM

MAJ Bill Maynard — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 17:39:03 -0400

Forgive me for not knowing, but has the Army adopted new physical fitness standards for combat arms? There has been much discussion, but has there been a real change? The scientific facts are that most women are physiologically different than men which limits their strength and aerobic functions. The infantry is all about your ability to perform physically with weapons and equipment on a variety of terrain. If women can meet whatever the standard is, then they should go combat arms if they choose, but if not, then no. Same for men.

At one point in my career, I was Military Police. There were female Soldiers. The only standard was the APFT, which has a different standard for men and women. There were not any female Soldiers in my company that could operate the large crew served weapons (.50/MK19) because they lacked the upper body strength. So now, we have females in many positions who will be required to perform tasks they can not perform. This is unacceptable but now is accepted since our political correctness rushed women into combat jobs that they can not perform. It's not just a matter of training or opportunity.

My advice is to stay away from combat arms unless you are a beast of a woman. If you can do EVERYTHING that male Soldiers can do, then thank you for taking on the job. If not, MOS reclassification.

Response by LTC Therese Lally made Apr 26 at 2016 5:41 PM

LTC Therese Lally — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 17:41:21 -0400

Be exceptionally competent in your craft/field, stay physically fit (APFT 290 and above) always maintain bearing and appearance.

Response by SSgt Christophe Murphy made Apr 26 at 2016 5:48 PM

SSgt Christophe Murphy — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 17:48:08 -0400

Honestly they need to be willing to put in the work like anyone else. Male or female you need to meet the standard. Don't go into combat arms thinking people will automatically welcome you with open arms. Combat arms and the infantry specifically is an arena where your actions matter. If you can't walk the walk don't even talk the talk. Talk is cheap. The infantry is the first MOS to fill every FY because everyone wants to be a badass but from my experience not everyone is ready when it comes time to do baddass stuff.

Response by LTC Therese Lally made Apr 26 at 2016 5:49 PM

LTC Therese Lally — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 17:49:27 -0400

Be extremely competent in your craft, always maintain military bearing (professionalism) and appearance (ht/wt), treat all people with dignity and respect.

Response by SSG Ron Archer made Apr 26 at 2016 5:49 PM

SSG Ron Archer — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 17:49:58 -0400

As a former combat engineer, i would suggest these female recruits focus on building their core muscles and increasing their upper body strength as much as possible before arriving for basic training. The combat arms MOS is not as much about brain power as it is about brute strength and mental endurance. If you can carry your weight you will be accepted and respected. Just do your job and do it better than anybody else.

Response by SGT Randy Hawkins made Apr 26 at 2016 5:57 PM

SGT Randy Hawkins — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 17:57:37 -0400

Train. Cardio and weight training. Build your muscles up. The combat load of an infantryman these days is crazy. You will need stamina but more important is your ability to carry the combat load and then some.

Response by SGT Edward Schimpf made Apr 26 at 2016 6:00 PM

SGT Edward Schimpf — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 18:00:36 -0400

I've been out of the Army since the end of 1974. As I advanced through the the ranks of the civilian industry I retired from I was, and still am, a strong proponent for women in the civilian workforce. I've always had the mentality that I was going to hire or promote that individual that I felt would do the best job and subsequently get the best out of their subordinates. During my 30 years prior to retiring I only had to fire one female and I've lost count of the number of males I had to let go and most of those I inherited due to mergers, acquisitions, etc. That being said I'm all for women going into combat MOS's. My main concern is can women handle the rigors of combat. It's a hell of a lot more than just shooting a weapon and I don't believe women fully understand what exactly will be required of them. I may be proven wrong and truthfully, I hope I am. I also believe that in the short term there will be a lot of problems. Conversely, I see it as a benefit in the long term. Bottom line is I fully support the effort and anticipate a better military for instituting the program. I suspect I may get blasted somewhat for my thoughts but the military needs a varied perspective and by allowing females into an institution that was in the past a male only environment will offer that new, and different, line of thought and logic. And yes, I have three daughters and five granddaughters and I would fully support their decision if that's what they wanted to do.

Response by SFC Edward Harland made Apr 26 at 2016 6:02 PM

SFC Edward Harland — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 18:02:01 -0400

Who cares anymore, I say let them (female) have their chance to succeed or not on their own merits. If a female can hang with the guys, and do the same things as they do, then go into a Combat MOS! As SGM Marquez stated, and I agree, is " don't ask for anything special." Be BETTER than the Guys if you want to prove something. However, we will find out how this works out when the next conflict comes along. For my Female comrades in arms, just steel yourself for the horrors of war up close, and what it can do to you physically and mentally!

We all know that this is mostly Political, and the guys and girls in Washington are not the ones going to come home maimed or in a body bag when its all said and done.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 6:05 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 18:05:27 -0400

Not sure how long this thread has been up, but I would say with the new skills task if they can meet the requirement then let them. I've met many Women in my days that I would rather pick for jobs than my male soldiers. No bias is how I feel. If you can do the job....then let them do the job.

Response by PO2 David Allender made Apr 26 at 2016 6:50 PM

PO2 David Allender — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 18:50:59 -0400

If a woman is seriously interested in warfare, then go for it. It might be worth while though to ask question to vets who have been there. Pressure is going to be high. One thought though, if you hesitate to shoot, then somebody will die on your side. you can't freeze up. for any reason, because everybody counts on you to be part of the team. They will be hard on you until you prove yourself to all the team players. That is true even for a man. TRUST is the main function of teamwork. Once they find that they can trust (depend) on you, it will be alright. Israelis have used women since Israel became a state. That was a different matter though. There just weren't enough men in Israel at the time. if you are serious about going into combat, then go ahead, but a word of warning, combat is not glamorous as the movies make it to be. Your first kill will be with you the rest of your life. Also you just may lose a buddy or two. It is hard in combat, but harder after comabt. You will find out what I mean. Good luck and good hunting. May GOD protect you and your buddies in the field.

Response by Cpl John Mathews made Apr 26 at 2016 6:53 PM

Cpl John Mathews — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 18:53:07 -0400

I don't want his to come across the wrong way, but here goes:
1. Pull your weight
2. Always, always have each others backs
3. Do not flirt (both men and women)
4. Always strive to be the best no matter what you are called upon to do
5. Eat when you can, sleep when you can, and s-!t when you can because you never know when the next opportunity will be

Response by Sgt Sabrina Williams made Apr 26 at 2016 6:55 PM

Sgt Sabrina Williams — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 18:55:33 -0400

Because this is something new, keep it professional at all times. Don't mix business with pleasure and demand respect at all times. I feel that females will do well in combat jobs. As long as they keep their jobs strictly professional and always look out for your rear and cover yourself no matter what because no one will do it for your. Don't expect for other people to do your job for you. Listen and learn your jobs inside and out. Be responsible for your own actions if you mess up. Always keep your guard up at all times. Letting your guard down and horseplay can cost you life.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 6:58 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 18:58:34 -0400

Don't

Response by SGT Lisa Becker made Apr 26 at 2016 7:01 PM

SGT Lisa Becker — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 19:01:01 -0400

Being a female solder myself, I gained an eye opening experience while deployed to Afghanistan, I had an opportunity to go on perimeter patrols with an Infantry unit with permission from my command and their command.
It is an experience that I will NEVER forget, I immediately felt the STRONG comaderae between the men and they included me in that brotherhood, it felt awesome. Then once I proved that I could hold my own I gained a HUGE amount of respect. I think if a female feels she is fit for the duty...GO FOR IT!!!...she will know if it's what she wants or not.

Response by CPL Sharon Fahey made Apr 26 at 2016 7:06 PM

CPL Sharon Fahey — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 19:06:14 -0400

Pull your own weight and don't use your feminity to get special treatment. Never forget your a member of a team and the team is only as strong as its weakest link, don't be the weak link that tears the team apart. Remember there is a special camaraderie the male soldiers share, don't shove your way into it, let them invite you in. Don't be that female that sleeps around, flirts, and whines, stay in your lane and do your job.

Response by SFC Wayne Theilen made Apr 26 at 2016 7:08 PM

SFC Wayne Theilen — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 19:08:53 -0400

As a 19K40 CDAT (computerized dumbass Tanker) That's right I said it. A female could drive, shoot and TC a tank. I've seen guys not able to sling a HEAT round to standards. The loading will be the tough part. Now can a female carry a roadwheel? Who knows. Could they manage the PMCS of a tank? Probably. But there are things that go on maintence wise I don't think some females will be able to do. Now being couped up inside a tank gets really nasty. Can a female go without a shower for a long time? What about their needs for their lady parts? The only way in my opinion that women in combat arms positions will be successful. will be LEADERSHIP. If one leader drops the ball there will be trouble. And some dumbass is going to pay with a extended stay at a federal facility. I just don't think we as tankers are ready for females in the turret. If I was still shooting sabot down range I would do my best to guide these new tankers. But there are and will be soldiers out there that just can't adapt.

Response by LTC Betty Holm made Apr 26 at 2016 7:17 PM

LTC Betty Holm — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 19:17:19 -0400

The bottom line is they are a Soldier and as ongoing as they carry their weight and always do what the job requires of them they will succeed. All of us hit roadblocks throughout our career but my personal strength was from the story, "The little engine that could". Every time someone told me I couldn't do something, I thought about that childhood story and pushed my way through. Good luck!!!

Response by SGT William Wright made Apr 26 at 2016 7:19 PM

SGT William Wright — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 19:19:36 -0400

I can only speak as a tanker. If they can handle the hard work, no showers, confined spaces and team work, then go for it. But do not lead them on that it is easy work

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 7:55 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 19:55:06 -0400

To be honest, when i was a younger Soldier, I had issues with women serving in a specialty of my MOS found in SOF units. As i moved up in position, I discovered my feelings were unfounded. There are just as many poor Soldiers, NCOs, and leaders that are male. One of my most recent jobs allowed me to assess the strength of this niche speciality in my unit and across the regiment. I used to think that women were not up to the task, but after seeing plenty of males Soldiers and NCOs who couldn't cut it, I know there are many women who can. This includes heavy rucks, long distances, and being right on the objective. My advice would be what I tell all Soldiers: be the best at what ever you do. Separate yourselves from your peers. Develop your subordinates. Do it to the best of your ability and do it without complaint.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 8:10 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 20:10:01 -0400

Anything that involves "Change" requires patience. This is a change in culture for many occupations that are mainly dominated by men. Be understanding of the fact that you will go through an adjustment process that may make you feel uncomfortable at times. You will encounter individuals who do not agree with this change. Some reasons may be: past experiences, personal perspectives in regards to gender roles, plain ignorance, and etc. This change has to run its course, go through an adaptation process, and eventually will gain wider acceptance.
Do your job and do it well. Be professional at all times and have a good and positive attitude. You'll be fine, good luck!

Response by CW3 Duke Sawyer made Apr 26 at 2016 8:12 PM

CW3 Duke Sawyer — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 20:12:28 -0400

Upper body strength!! Is a must and they have to focus their physical training to match. Endurance training such as long ruck marches Bimonthly at a minimum. Long rucksack marching build different muscles than the Gym. Study 7-8 and Ranger Handbook. Know how to give a five paragraph OPORD inside out. Know the basics well and the "Special Training" will come easier.

Response by CW3 Duke Sawyer made Apr 26 at 2016 8:17 PM

CW3 Duke Sawyer — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 20:17:48 -0400

Lastly prepare to have thick skin. Also if possible and you can round up enough soldiers, try giving them a simple patrol order and then take them out and lead them on a basic combat patrol after you give the order. Recon, Ambush, etc., Your goal is to learn how to lead in the field.
Or if you just so happen to be out in the field already on an exercise, ask your NCOIC or PLT leader if you could practice leading a patrol or at least being put in charge of a mission or task leading troops.

Response by CW3 Duke Sawyer made Apr 26 at 2016 8:24 PM

CW3 Duke Sawyer — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 20:24:54 -0400

Men will be boys and Boys will be Men. But if you show that you can hack it the same or better than them, and show that you can lead them, the boys will be Men and follow you forgetting that you're a girl. Leadership traits will be key. Groups of soldiers always need to be led. Regardless their sex.

Response by SPC David Christiansen made Apr 26 at 2016 8:48 PM

SPC David Christiansen — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 20:48:08 -0400

Have thick skin, do your job, give 130%, don't expect special treatment and don't be surprised or offended by the jokes/comments that will undoubtedly be thrown around.

If they work hard and meet the standard then keep up the good work and keep their priorities straight and stay away from strip clubs.

Response by SPC Franklin McKown made Apr 26 at 2016 8:56 PM

SPC Franklin McKown — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 20:56:15 -0400

Give it a try Sarge.
It HASN'T sailed AT ALL as no female has LIGITIMATELY passed any advanced combat course in the history of the Army.
NOR will any standards be lowered to accomodate them as that would be suicide
Once this administration and it's RIDICULOUS social attacks are 86ed, THEN well see.

Response by COL John Hudson made Apr 26 at 2016 9:03 PM

COL John Hudson — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 21:03:56 -0400

I joined the "Old Army" in 1966. We had to remove boards from barrack windows that had been there since the end of WWII (Ft. Lewis, WA). Women joined the "Women's Army Corp - WACs." I never saw a female soldier or officer until my AIT training, and didn't realize the 'thing' I was stupidly staring at was an Army female Captain - I had no idea what her uniform was or her rank. All female service members at that time were segregated from us, with their own mess halls and billeting. Other thoughtless incidents cast disparagement and condescension on female soldiers, leaving one with the impression that their involvement in the Army did not come with high reputation. As my career progressed, the 'WAC' institution was abolished (a VERY good decision) and over the following years I was privileged to personally witness the maturation of female integration into our ranks. That said, it wasn't until my posting to Bosnia during that conflict (as IG for the 1st Cav Div), that I came to truly understand that not all women wanted to be mothers. Tasked by my 2-Star Boss to rate morale throughout the command, I visited as many units as possible. Spotting a young soldier ahead at a CP with his back turned to me, I greeted him with, "Good morning!" I was astounded as the 6' 1" FEMALE turned around, properly holding a fully loaded and armed SAW and returned my salutation! In the course of our conversation, she gave me a full run-down on that weapon's use and capability, proud of her range-fire 'expert' scores, loved the military, and did I mention there wasn't one ounce of fat on that frame! Her PT scores were top block, EER's all excellent, leaving me no doubt as to the results if any clueless male dared to harass or say something inappropriate to this person. I personally witnessed this same level of preparedness in other young female combat soldiers during my almost four years in Iraq. I have the highest regard for our military female participants and would gladly go anywhere with them. All of you out there still holding on to outdated and useless attitudes about women in the military need to wake up to the reality that they are, in fact, as good at what they are capable of doing as any man.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 9:30 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 21:30:34 -0400

As long as they can do the job to the same standards as the males, have at it.

Response by A1C Gerald Jessup made Apr 26 at 2016 9:37 PM

A1C Gerald Jessup — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 21:37:01 -0400

remember,you are no better or worse than any other person you share a foxhole with. do not tolerate abuse but do not ask for special treatment. you do not get respect you earn respect. watch your buddy's back and they will watch yours.you are part of a team. if you need help ask. if someone needs help offer help not criticism. these words of advice come from an old man and apply to anyone of any gender. remember that at least one person loves you and will honor you for your service

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 9:47 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 21:47:19 -0400

The best advice I can give is for them to set their goals and stick to them. Give maximum effort and treat the task at hand as they would any other dream they have.

Even more importantly, ignore the white noise! I feel that they will continue to face adversity through dissidents that you spoke of before. However, they do belong and they have ability to prove it to their naysayers. Mentorship will play a large role in empowering these young women to strive for greatness... But awesome leadership and mentoring will be required for leader's currently in the field as well. Large scale changes that go against old military traditions requires acceptance from the top down. Only then will we truly be able to maximize our integrated force.

I for one and excited about the new changes as other militaries around the world have proven that women can play a huge role in combat arms.

Response by PFC Tuan Trang made Apr 26 at 2016 9:58 PM

PFC Tuan Trang — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 21:58:17 -0400

Motivate yourself at all time
Listen and pay attention to details
Willing to learn
Work hard and you be fine.

Response by SPC Josh Robinson made Apr 26 at 2016 10:12 PM

SPC Josh Robinson — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 22:12:26 -0400

Carry your own weight. Nobody has any room to complain if you can at least carry your own crap.

Response by SSgt John Hutto made Apr 26 at 2016 10:16 PM

SSgt John Hutto — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 22:16:52 -0400

if they can do the job, i have no problem. i have served alongside some great female Airmen. they are just as talented as their male counterparts. as long as they dont ask for any special treatment that the males dont get, then im all for it. like the SGT Major said, color and gender have no place in the military. you either can do, or you cant.

Response by MSgt Daniel Harrison made Apr 26 at 2016 10:32 PM

MSgt Daniel Harrison — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 22:32:47 -0400

Always use common sense.

Response by LCpl Steve Smith made Apr 26 at 2016 11:02 PM

LCpl Steve Smith — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 23:02:59 -0400

I am not a Grunt, I was Motor T for a Grunt Unit 3/5 "Get Some". If a young Wm came up to me and asked for my advice? I would tell her the same thing I tell anyone who was thinking about joining the Military in General. Make sure it's something you really want to do, your will to be what you want to be "a Grunt" or what ever will be tested and so it's something you must really want to be no matter what.(that will increase your chance of making it) You have to make sure you are fine with killing someone (Male, Female, or Child). You have to be ok with death in general even your own ( you are putting yourself in a Job that will one day put you in those situations) after you do your gut check you find you still want that job? Then tell yourself and Believe it that NOTHING is going to stop you from becoming whatever Combat M.O.S. you want to be, and have the same mind set for whatever branch of service you want to be apart of...Because when it comes down to it? HEART is what will get you through Boot or Basic when the rest of your body and mind is screaming out in pain for you to give up.

Response by SSgt Joel Miller made Apr 26 at 2016 11:04 PM

SSgt Joel Miller — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 23:04:16 -0400

A female soldier wishing to be accepted in to the ranks of combat arms MOS's should prepare to meet male physical fitness standards. Those who don't will never be seen as anything but a burden to other members of the squad.

Response by SSG Trevor S. made Apr 26 at 2016 11:05 PM

SSG Trevor S. — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 23:05:44 -0400

My advice, from my brief stint as a Stinger Avenger Crew Member in the 90's:
1. Pack the packing list, then add extras. Test your ability to carry it before you attempt to carry it for 30 days.
2. Baby wipes!
3. Never expect the job to be "non-technical".
4. Get to know every single piece of equipment in your unit.
5. Prepare for rough language.

Response by CPT Chris Newport made Apr 26 at 2016 11:12 PM

CPT Chris Newport — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 23:12:00 -0400

The idea of women in combat is destructive to unit effectiveness and survival. It has been forced upon us by politicians who care more about votes than our lives or responsibilities. I don't believe in it outside of, perhaps, Air Groups - theoretically.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 11:22 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 23:22:56 -0400

Do your homework make sure that's it's the job that you want know what the job consists of understand what you have to go through be mentally prepared and physically and make it just another job

Response by SFC Rolando Banados made Apr 26 at 2016 11:42 PM

SFC Rolando Banados — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 23:42:19 -0400

Female can accomplish just as much as any male in combat arms MOS, the world is changing, female are afforded the same opportunity as male soldier, and they can accomplish anything that they focus to do. But in the same token, they should not be given any special treatment and attention, their rucksack should be equal to the male and must be able to endure carrying them for miles and miles. Combat jobs are not easy, they are challenging, hard, and not for the fainted hearts, but if they are focus, dedicated, and have the perseverance, they can be successful in combat jobs.

Response by SP5 Alan Morland made Apr 27 at 2016 12:31 AM

SP5 Alan Morland — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 00:31:58 -0400

I would tell them to be very sure that they knew what they were getting into, and to be honest with themselves about whether or not they could meet the standards without special consideration.

Response by SPC Chris Rozzi made Apr 27 at 2016 1:03 AM

SPC Chris Rozzi — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 01:03:22 -0400

My advice to you would be to tell them the same thing you tell males if there is no difference then whats the problem? Also tell them bot to make themselves a target yes they are likely to be the first batch of females in combat M.O.S's but they shouldn't draw attention they dont want to be the ones that prove this is a bad thing.

Response by SPC Kirk Gilles made Apr 27 at 2016 1:06 AM

SPC Kirk Gilles — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 01:06:28 -0400

PMI...I teach PMI to recruits of all branches at my Career Centers. By squaring away female recruits on their basic weapons systems I build confidence in the martial skills they need to succeed. My recruits pass Basic, qualify, and some have shot Expert! Oh, and I do it totally for Free.

Response by SGT Doug Prescott made Apr 27 at 2016 1:35 AM

SGT Doug Prescott — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 01:35:25 -0400

I never wanted to see women in the Infantry. But like you said
"that ship has sailed". If you are going to go as a grunt,stay in shape. You're going to need it.

Response by SSG Kenneth Thomas made Apr 27 at 2016 1:39 AM

SSG Kenneth Thomas — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 01:39:33 -0400

In Afghanistan my unit had 3 females attached to us. 2 of them were rock solid the 3rd we didn't take out the wire. My best advice is before they leave is p.t. light weight high reps. Also get used to rucking get a weighted vest with 65-80 pounds and a ruck with 45 pounds and do 3-5 miles road marches. That will get them conditioned. And keep the mentality that they can do anything men can. Women I served with except for the one we're accepted as "one of the guys" they held there own on patrol and in combat. As long as they don't play the sex card and give it their all they will be fine.

Response by CWO3 Jeff Metcalf made Apr 27 at 2016 1:56 AM

CWO3 Jeff Metcalf — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 01:56:57 -0400

Regardless of MOS, Rate, or other job designation, do not expect to be treated differently based upon your gender. Don't just do the job, excel in your profession. Do not pursue a combat job to prove to others that you can do "it", engage this challenge because of a sincere desire to make a difference in the particular field of endeavor. If for some reason you find that the job you've chosen is not for you, do not be ashamed. It is better to try and fail than to never have tried. Many men have walked this same path. If this is the case, lean forward, pursue your strengths regardless of where they take you and give it your best every day.

Response by MSgt Cheryl (Kit) Turner made Apr 27 at 2016 1:57 AM

MSgt Cheryl (Kit) Turner — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 01:57:31 -0400

I believe they should do what they feel in their hearts. If you can do the job than try it, you never know what will happen at least this way later down the rode you won't 2nd guess yourself. Like they say be all you can be.

Cheryl Kit Turner, Ret. MSgt

Response by SFC Glen S. made Apr 27 at 2016 2:29 AM

SFC Glen S. — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 02:29:59 -0400

My advice to the female service members joining Combat Arms. You are there because you want to be there. Don't think everything will be peaches and cream. Expect to be pushed to the limit like your male counterparts. If you meet the standards that is required of you to perform your new MOS, with no modification to standards, then you deserve to be there. Next step is to earn the respect and trust of your fellow soldiers. Let your dedication, determination, and drive help you meet that goal!

Response by 1SG John Feller made Apr 27 at 2016 2:31 AM

1SG John Feller — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 02:31:04 -0400

It would be interestng to see how many females would last, lifting 100 lb projectiles all day, for a 155mm weapons system.

Response by 1stSgt Phil Mendoza made Apr 27 at 2016 4:02 AM

1stSgt Phil Mendoza — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 04:02:32 -0400

Don't complain about the training, or anything assisociated with their new job. Stick together. Remind one another it will not be easy and they are the future of what is to come. If they set bad examples all females behind them will suffer from it. Keep their personal life.... Personal. Do not date instructors or fellow students. There will be time for that later. Above all do not make excuses for failing. Strap up the boots and charge on. Weather they like it or want it, they will be role models.

Response by SSG Donnie Lowery made Apr 27 at 2016 4:45 AM

SSG Donnie Lowery — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 04:45:32 -0400

Enlist in an MOS you can be successful at. I dont know of any women that can sling 120lb rounds on a ten round fire mission in Artillery. I would rather entice the new recruits with infantry type assignments like being a sniper or common foot Soldier that would set them up for a successful long career!!

Response by CPL Ronald Johnson made Apr 27 at 2016 6:25 AM

CPL Ronald Johnson — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 06:25:39 -0400

As a combat veteran I have to disagree with the Ash Carters decision to send females forward into combat arms....war is real as it has changed the lives of many men

Response by SSG Rob Schwandt made Apr 27 at 2016 6:57 AM

SSG Rob Schwandt — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 06:57:40 -0400

You made a choice, you own it. M 240 gets heavy after awhile and your feet will hurt so will your back. Expect no special treatment

Response by PO1 Kevin Arnold made Apr 27 at 2016 7:20 AM

PO1 Kevin Arnold — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 07:20:07 -0400

It doesn't matter what sex you are it's about the job you are there to do. For both man or woman both have challenges they have to meet in order for them to even be there. It should not be about what gender you are but about the job that has to be done. Yes it will be unconfortable at first working side by side but when focused on the mission at hand nothing else should matter.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2016 7:59 AM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 07:59:54 -0400

Female Soldiers enlisting for combat arms should do it for the same reasons that male Soldiers enlist for combat arms. That passion and determination is what is required.

Response by SFC Cheryl McElroy US ARMY (RET) made Apr 27 at 2016 8:38 AM

SFC Cheryl McElroy US ARMY (RET) — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 08:38:45 -0400

I was a Soldier for a total of 30 years, (10 Reserve 20 Active) and served two tours in Iraq as a boots-on-the-ground battlefield intel analyst. Nothing is easy. If you're getting shot at, mortared, or bombed, that's combat regardless of MOS. Now that I have those facts established, my advice is to approach "combat arms" the same as other jobs; with all the best efforts, dedication, and enthusiasm possible.

Response by SGT Tim Fridley made Apr 27 at 2016 8:46 AM

SGT Tim Fridley — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 08:46:29 -0400

Plain and simple Listen and Learn They are a Soldier who happens to be female not a female Soldier

Response by Sgt Chuck Hallbert made Apr 27 at 2016 9:17 AM

Sgt Chuck Hallbert — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 09:17:30 -0400

My magic DD-214 protects me from caring.

Response by CPT Tex Pete made Apr 27 at 2016 9:42 AM

CPT Tex Pete — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 09:42:22 -0400

My advice would be to practice at cleaning yourselves subtly and quietly using only baby wipes and cold water. Learn to take jokes, to include dirty, sexist, and racist jokes. People who will watch each others backs in combat, people who would die for each other, don't typically rat each other out for small time jokes. When it gets out of hand, when it causes a diminishing of good order and discipline like sexual assault or racism beyond the point of playfulness and gets to the point of divisiveness, then it needs to get reported, or get the soldiers will take care of it themselves. Always try to solve your problems at the lowest level, only move up when it fails to work or actually makes it worse. Grow a sense of humor, don't lose your modesty, and don't grow a romantic relationship with any one in your unit. That goes in both directions. Down to squad level and up to division level, stay away from romantic relationships. If you really want to marry a military person, find one in a different division. Let the men get comfortable with you to the point they are not watching what they say to the point of lowering the morale. Learn to pee in a bottle.

Response by 1SG Patrick Sims made Apr 27 at 2016 10:13 AM

1SG Patrick Sims — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 10:13:01 -0400

Women in combat rolls it the way things are going to be.-----Bitching ans whining about ti won't change things----That having been said--there can not be a lowering of standards for privilege characters----It we're in the same boat, as it were, we all have to take a turn rowing. Unfortunately if Hillary Clinton is elected, we may see a quota system for women, something I don't believe any member of the military, man or women wants to see. Mrs. Clinton will undoubtedly make these changes to be politically correct, and could care less about the lives of soldiers than Henry Kissinger did.

Response by SFC Craig Dalen made Apr 27 at 2016 10:33 AM

SFC Craig Dalen — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 10:33:17 -0400

They should be ready to train. If they choose a job like this there is no room for slack or excuses. They will be held to the same standard across the board. Prove that they are just as good and can handle the job.

Response by SSG Gregg Mourizen made Apr 27 at 2016 10:34 AM

SSG Gregg Mourizen — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 10:34:29 -0400

There are a lot of traditions and rituals that come with combat arms. Get used to it.
With that said, Pull your weight. Don't let the guys do your job for you. It will only work against you and hurt the team in the long run. Don't be afraid to ask for help, when you really need it, but also expect to get razzed for it. Cussing and swearing wont make you one of the guys, Performance and determination will take you a lot farther on that route.
Make sure you excel in those jobs only a woman can do. No not cooking and cleaning. I mean fitting into those spaces men cannot (if you are smaller than they are, of course), Communicating with female locals and insurgents, you get the idea. Identify those tasks you are best at, and do them to the best of your ability. They might not necessarily be the huaah jobs you are looking for, but it will make a difference.
Work place relationships can be detrimental to the team dynamic. Though difficult to avoid, they can be dangerous for everyone involved.
Most important:
Watch your backs, and pay attention to details.

For the guys in these teams, I give the same advice, with the added caveat. Don't play the hero to impress the girl. It is ingrained in your psyche. Let the girl do her job and try to understand that women don't think like you do.
Good luck to all of you, you are always in my prayers.

Response by SFC Bill Graham made Apr 27 at 2016 10:36 AM

SFC Bill Graham — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 10:36:50 -0400

Female soldiers have served with distinction in foreign armies for decades. Israel is a good example.

I would tell these recruits to expect harsh treatment from combat arms troops, at least early on because they are the pioneers in this endeavor.. but if they can perform at already established standards equal with their peers they will gain trust and gradually earn respect. However, if they approach it with a militant feminist attitude, use being a woman to gain preferential treatment or become intimate with soldier (s) in their unit then they're heading for disaster.. and these are the obvious pitfalls. But if they're doing it because they're qualified and dedicated I say, by all means, good luck.

Response by Cpl Don "GUNNY" Miller made Apr 27 at 2016 10:59 AM

Cpl Don "GUNNY" Miller — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 10:59:50 -0400

You asked my advise, so don't limit me on my advice! I have one word DON"T

Response by SPC Jorge h Ayala made Apr 27 at 2016 11:08 AM

SPC Jorge h Ayala — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 11:08:23 -0400

Problem: Men usually it's in their DNA to protect woman (not all) focus will b at risk, upper strength a factor ,etc females definitely have a place in the Military (Combat) ?

Response by LCpl Ronnie Padgett made Apr 27 at 2016 11:21 AM

LCpl Ronnie Padgett — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 11:21:18 -0400

As a Marine Corp rifleman, if you choose to be in infantry, don't expect to be treated different than the men. Carry your own weight. Everyone has a job to do, no one shouldn't have to do your job bc of monthly cycles. When I was in the field sometimes we would take a bath for 3 to 5 days, depending on how long we were out there. Don't take on this job to prove a point, be prepared to be suspected. I really don't know with this new military.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2016 11:22 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 11:22:52 -0400

Prepare thyself for what is ahead. Be an NCO and Lead by example. Never let things be "Handed" to you, but earn it all. Know that you are not in competition with everyone else, but rather, only yourself.

Good luck and kick some butt.

Response by CPL Deanna Green (Parkinson) made Apr 27 at 2016 11:23 AM

CPL Deanna Green (Parkinson) — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 11:23:27 -0400

I believe that as long as we keep the term "soldier" instead of male/female it will take most of the issues out of the discussion. I was never treated any different 21 years ago. I am thankful for that, I always new where I stood. These new recruits will as well!

Response by LCpl Ronnie Padgett made Apr 27 at 2016 11:31 AM

LCpl Ronnie Padgett — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 11:31:23 -0400

SSG Bethany, to be infantry you have got to have the mind set, I'm ready to die defending this country. Nobody wants to die, but front line soldiers can and may be the 1st ones K.I.A. Be real with your recruits. People in infantry come home screwed up. Normal lifestyle is over, then you have to he dependent of a govt agency to help you maintain.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2016 11:38 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 11:38:18 -0400

I wouldn't join myself but if I was asked for advice, I'd tell them that they better have a solid backbone and feelings and infantry don't mix. Also, train. Start training long before basic training.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2016 1:25 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 13:25:57 -0400

Direct them to some women who are involved in extreme backpacking. These ladies have been dealing with preparation issues that are simular to field or even combat conditions and may offer some good incite on preparing themselves.(i.e.. Hygiene, hair care, etc..) Other than that DS got it. Proud of any Ameican that steps up, Good luck ladies.

Response by TSgt Liza Kazee made Apr 27 at 2016 2:20 PM

TSgt Liza Kazee — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 14:20:15 -0400

Be honest and up front, they will be tested by the unit they are assigned to. I was AF attached to an Army Infantry unit and until the men knew I could hold my own there was no trust. Be able to carry your own weight, your own gear and know what you're doing. Once they see you can do these things they tend to count you as one of their own.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2016 2:31 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 14:31:29 -0400

SSG, There are two things I always share with any new Soldier, male of female.
1) Remember: "I will always maintain my arms, my equipment and myself."
Too many Soldiers forget about that third tier. Maintaining yourself includes not just your physical self, but your mental health and civilian/professional education or advancement. "Maintain yourself" professionally. You will have people dismiss you because you are something other than what they expect. EXCEL in all you do. Do not take what others say personally, take it as constructive criticism and improve yourself. The only person you are in competition with is the Soldier you were yesterday.

2) Do not be that Soldier who has something to PROVE, be the Soldier who has something to OFFER. When you walk into a room, or mount a vehicle, or write a feaking poem... be the Soldier who others look to because you have something to offer. If you are the Soldier who always has something to prove, nobody will want to work with you. Perfect your craft, then learn more than just your craft. Help others!

The only person responsible for your career is you! If you need assistance, ask. If you need therapy, GO! If you want to get into schools, apply! DO NOT BE AFRAID TO SPEAK UP!

Response by SSG Daniel Smith made Apr 27 at 2016 2:38 PM

SSG Daniel Smith — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 14:38:07 -0400

I have no issues with it, but they should be able to do whatever a male soldier can do physically and mentally. The female standard for the PT test should be no more!!!! If they want to serve in combat arms unit then they should have to meet all the male physical standards

Response by Pvt Stefen Oakes made Apr 27 at 2016 2:39 PM

Pvt Stefen Oakes — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 14:39:07 -0400

I think that it could lead to favortisim and more misconduct except for now it will be off base and in the field

Response by CPT Leslie Chernell made Apr 27 at 2016 2:42 PM

CPT Leslie Chernell — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 14:42:20 -0400

Be mentally and physically tough before you request a combat assignment. What I loved the most about the first two female Ranger School graduates is that they dug in and did it - and that they received no special recognition when they graduated. They wear the Ranger tab like any other graduate of Ranger School. Know before you go that there may be some resistance, and ignore it.

Response by Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth made Apr 27 at 2016 2:59 PM

Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 14:59:33 -0400

Be humble and just do it. Don't be that person. The one that is first in everything and wants people to know it. Don't try to be a pathfinder, just be a soldier. Just do your job like anyone else but be damn good at it. Whether or not you like it the truth is you are under and will be under a microscope for a while. Don't expect preferential treatment...not saying become one of the guys as you are not a guy but you can become one of the team by having the soldiers, to the left and right of you, back...ALL THE TIME. I promise you if you do that, they will have yours. Remember...when you are in the uniform they don't refer to you folks as Ms or Mr Sgt Gunch...just Sgt Gunch...thats it...Soldier first, female or male second. Get it done!!!

Response by PO1 Javid Benson made Apr 27 at 2016 3:14 PM

PO1 Javid Benson — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 15:14:59 -0400

Some of the men well 99 percent of them won't accept you as a true combat soldier until u prove yourself. It's not going to be easy. Good luck

Response by TSgt James Carson made Apr 27 at 2016 3:45 PM

TSgt James Carson — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 15:45:13 -0400

People, GROW UP. War is so very ugly to people and rule of law. Men and women both are malested in war time. People become amimals and if you aren't prepaired for what may come in war, don't join the military. Foul things happen in peace time too and if you can't handle it do join up. Uncle Sam cares little about commom since or your feelings when you sign up to defend our way of life. he want's your silence and devotiont to duty. That's it in a nut shell.

Response by AN Lisa LaPoint made Apr 27 at 2016 3:52 PM

AN Lisa LaPoint — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 15:52:35 -0400

I joined being a shy female from a small town. Boy, did I get a wake up call. It was the best thing that ever happened. You grow as a person meet interesting people and have friendships that last a life time. The job itself, well its the Military not a tea party, put your big girl pants on and deal with it, don't expect to be treated any different. The Military has adapted to women in the service now live up to what they expect. Its a great experience and career it you let it.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2016 4:16 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 16:16:57 -0400

They should know and understand that they are making history. They are doing something right now that some women have wanted to do since the birth of the Army!

Response by SGT Lloyd Burge made Apr 27 at 2016 5:21 PM

SGT Lloyd Burge — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 17:21:51 -0400

I spent 11+ years in combat arms. In that time I saw less than 10 female soldiers. When I ETSed into the civilian world I honestly did not know how to react to having a female supervisor.
It took a couple of decades for me to realize that my attitude was sexist.
Times have changed, society has changed. It is time to move on.
My advice to these new recruits would be: Be ready for highly sexist language and attitudes. Generally speaking, combat arms NCOs know little about women beyond the fact that they have periods.
Once you have gained the respect and trust of the men, your career will skyrocket.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2016 5:35 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 17:35:26 -0400

SSG Bethany Viglietta,

My advice to a Soldier is the same because gender does not and should not matter. As a former Recruiter I told all of my FS the same thing. They stepped into the greatest Army in the world and Drill Sergeants as well as leaders will expect them to Soldier. So irregardless of gender or MOS get in and get to work. If you apply the same information that you have shared with your male Soldiers to the female Soldiers they should be just as successful. As an accomplished SSG I can only assume that you have the correct advice to share, because you're a leader in our ranks that has expectations of her Soldiers no matter their background. Good Luck and continue to put them in boots!

Response by MAJ Luis Fernando Hernandez made Apr 27 at 2016 5:38 PM

MAJ Luis Fernando Hernandez — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 17:38:39 -0400

It's very simple. They MUST be in top physical shape, be able to do their combat jobs better, faster, be expert marksmen in their weapon system, subject matter experts in their field. Is this fair? Absolutely not, but it is reality. For them to have any credibility and gain respect and trust from their male counterparts, this is how it must be. They must be outstanding in every facet of the military. Their roles are very similar to that of Jackie Robinson breaking into Major League Baseball. They are going to have to take a lot of crap, not react to it, and lead by superb example,

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2016 7:30 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 19:30:46 -0400

done expect anything, do your job and do it well. If you don't people will die

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2016 7:33 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 19:33:12 -0400

I had a female M-60 gunner on my squad when I was in Security Forces. The weapon was almost as tall as she was. She could carry it without any help. And she could fire it better than most of the males. Her duty performance was outstanding. She was my #1 Airman. My advice to anyone, you can do anything you set your mind too as long as it is realistic.

Response by SPC Franklin McKown made Apr 27 at 2016 9:02 PM

SPC Franklin McKown — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 21:02:39 -0400

Forgot an article to verify my claim...http://usdefensewatch.com/2016/04/army-continues-to-stall-congressman-on-release-of-records-for-female-ranger-school-grads/

Army continues to stall Congressman on release of records for female Ranger School grads

By Ray Starmann Sources inside Congressman Steve Russell’s (R., OK) office informed US Defense Watch this week that the Congressman had received no new information from the US Army concerning his r…

Response by PO1 Steven Kuhn made Apr 27 at 2016 9:09 PM

PO1 Steven Kuhn — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 21:09:52 -0400

I believe the best advice to give to ANYONE joining the Armed Forces is that lives may well depend upon how they perform what ever duty may be assigned to them and to always put duty before need/want. When you are part of an elite, highly trained team, your performance can mean success or failure. On active duty that could also mean life or death! Thanks, in advance, for serving!

Respectfully,

Steven F. Kuhn MM1(SW) (Ret.)

Response by SGT Alejandro Sarandrea made Apr 27 at 2016 9:20 PM

SGT Alejandro Sarandrea — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 21:20:07 -0400

I would say: Don't play the game. Have a purpose and think very critically about every action you take. Unfortunately, the truth is there are a lot of NCO's that shouldn't be wearing stripes. Don't let them trick into thinking that's what the service is about. Jump out of Planes, Repel from Helicopters, put the hat on, and do your thing-- you're the best part of the Army!

Response by MAJ Matthew Arnold made Apr 27 at 2016 9:58 PM

MAJ Matthew Arnold — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 21:58:46 -0400

Pull your own weight and the rest of the women to do the same. I say this because a long time ago the first female soldiers caused all the male solders to pull more duty. If that happens again, the experiment will be over in a few years.

Response by GySgt Robert Womble made Apr 27 at 2016 10:01 PM

GySgt Robert Womble — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 22:01:35 -0400

If your a WM, female soldier, sailor or airman, just do your best. Learn all you can from anyone willing to give you correct information and training. Physical fitness and knowing your job to the detail are the most important issues to your job. Making good working relationships is 2nd to making the 2 most important work for you. Don't misunderstand this , but, I do not believe women should see combat ( its just the way I have been raised and the way I feel about the protection of women period). That being said, if you as a female can complete any and all training, just like that which is required for any males, can understand the consequences of what being a POW for a female will more than likely mean, then I say give it all you got. Just be sure not to leave anything on the field and give it your best 100% of the time. If for some reason you still don't make the cut, move on to a different path. You may get another chance in the future for another occupational change. And, don't forget to have fun every now and then!!

Response by SPC Paul Davis made Apr 27 at 2016 10:14 PM

SPC Paul Davis — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 22:14:06 -0400

Do what you have trained to do.do it well and come home safe.lead by example. Dont expect to be treated any different. Its a difficult job ,you've proven yourself as a soldier .never surrender and never leave a fellow soldier behind. Serve Honorably. I support you& thank you for your service. ARMY STRONG!

Response by MSG Jim Gawne made Apr 27 at 2016 11:27 PM

MSG Jim Gawne — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 23:27:54 -0400

From one recruiter (20 year) to another - do it. If you want to be Airborne Infantry, go for it. Want to fire howitzers? Good. Blow up bridges with Combat Engineers? Fantastic! BUT, don't think you're going to get special treatment. Want to know what combat does to soldiers? Visit your local VA medical center. Ask questions. And remember, the mission of the Army is to engage the enemy in combat and destroy them. People in the military die in combat, and the gender of the soldier doesn't matter. If you can accept that, then come on. Welcome to the Army.

Response by SGM Nathan Thomas made Apr 28 at 2016 12:32 AM

SGM Nathan Thomas — Thu, 28 Apr 2016 00:32:06 -0400

I say no matter the gender whatever the MOS, the standards that are set are the standards to be met. You meet the standards, then there should be no issues. What we have are cultural issues that will have to be dealt with. Combat units get pretty close and it is not a time to be squeamish when just going across a water area and having to check each other for leaches. We did not touch each others junk, but everything was exposed to the eyes. This may sound extreme, but there are other situations where if there are gender hangups, then there are going to be problems. Get wounded on the battlefield there is no time for modesty. Opening the field up, but realize what one may be exposed to and how will leaders and fellow soldiers react?

Response by MCPO Katrina Hutcherson made Apr 28 at 2016 1:30 AM

MCPO Katrina Hutcherson — Thu, 28 Apr 2016 01:30:37 -0400

The Coast Guard allowed females to enlist on active duty as opposed to reservists in the 70's and shortly thereafter all rates (MOS's) were open to them. Since then, we have never been excluded from combat roles. Though most people don't think the Coast Guard goes into combat, we do get around and have been all over the Middle East and Afghanistan not to mention all previous wars. Anyway, having gotten the T-shirt, the best advise I can tell you to give your young soldiers is this:
Leave your gender at home. When you put on the uniform and especially when you deploy you are and should be a member of the team and represent your rank and MOS not your gender. Be physically fit and know your job so well that you can do it better than the man next to you . You will have to give 150% to earn the respect that they already have because they are men. Finally, leave your feminism and thin skin at home too. If you make them feel they have to watch their language they will resent you. They can be crude, but unless you are being personally insulted, laugh and join in the banter and let them know they don't have to worry about being themselves around you. Learn to both dish it out and take it and you will enjoy the comeradery and bonding that only combat deployments can forge.

Response by SFC Jessica Hicks made Apr 28 at 2016 1:40 AM

SFC Jessica Hicks — Thu, 28 Apr 2016 01:40:37 -0400

I Retired in 2015. I joined as a Heavy Construction Equipment Operator back in 1994. Throughout the majority my career, I was, in most cases, the only female. Women just did not last long and still to this day not many Women make it to the rank of Sergeant as an Engineer. Along the way, I was a Recruiter, earning the Morell Medallion and a Senior Drill Sergeant. I was a Platoon Sergeant, who led 32 Males and 3 Females ( 1 Sergeant E5) and ( 2 Privates First Class) down range, and carried out numerous Missions that a Female wasn't suppose to be doing, but guess what buttercup.... NCO's, lead from the front, so the majority of my platoon's missions was away from a COP/FOB....sometimes months at a time, So my role as a Platoon Sergeant included everything from securing ourselves/equipment in place , sleep cycle, work schedule, etc. To have made it that far is a testament to the Leaders in my EARLY CAREER. My leaders were the last of the Vietnam Leaders, Quarterly, you were tactically tested on your equipment. Those Men ensured that I knew my JOB. By leading from the front,.i.e. Counseling my Squad Leaders on how to Counsel and following up, P.T, Weapons, I was never questioned.

Response by Capt Jeff S. made Apr 28 at 2016 9:42 AM

Capt Jeff S. — Thu, 28 Apr 2016 09:42:37 -0400

Don't make anyone else carry your weight...

Response by CPT Quentin von Éfáns-Taráfdar made Apr 28 at 2016 11:23 AM

CPT Quentin von Éfáns-Taráfdar — Thu, 28 Apr 2016 11:23:18 -0400

During my some two years combat experience in Vietnam I fought against females from time to time. I found that they made great fanatics (they would sooner die for their cause than men would) but poor warriors (your job as a a warrior is to make the other sob dies for his cause, not you die for yours.) Every test run on this suject done on the military shows that women are just not capable so they will hinder the performance of that unit thus getting many unnecessarily hurt or killed. My advice - whether or not you like it - is tell them to join a noncombat branch.

Response by SSG V. Michelle Woods made Apr 28 at 2016 1:31 PM

SSG V. Michelle Woods — Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:31:51 -0400

I find the majority of these responses are no different for any soldier joining the Army. Trust me, co-ed basic training was no different in regard to what was expected of us. We weren't treated special, we certainly didn't expect anything to be handed to us (at least not after the first day), we were expected to do the same as the boys with the same amount of toilet paper allotted. We were treated like boys and we all smelled awful.

Response by SGT William Parker made Apr 28 at 2016 1:33 PM

SGT William Parker — Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:33:17 -0400

it is Ok that the women want to take up the new MOS available now....having been with the 11 ACR it would be Ok in a tank.

Response by SSgt William Davies made Apr 28 at 2016 3:14 PM

SSgt William Davies — Thu, 28 Apr 2016 15:14:57 -0400

You chose a dangerous job and it doesn't matter if you're male or female, just do your job!!!

Response by MAJ Byron Oyler made Apr 28 at 2016 4:18 PM

MAJ Byron Oyler — Thu, 28 Apr 2016 16:18:23 -0400

Females joining combat arms need to understand the social impact to themselves when they do this. I have jumped out of airplanes for years where there are few females and equally as long been a male nurse which is rare. I have enjoyed being a male nurse and never minded being the only male at times, other times it can be lonely. If I want to take the discussion to sports or cars, usually only the tomboy girls can keep up. We have done well blending all walks of life into our military however sometimes you just want to talk about dresses, make-up, newest hair style, and being bald, I suck at the hair conversations... I am sure these females will strive to shoot, communicate, and move out well, learn their weapons and how to kill but when it comes time for the Holiday Ball, which mascara would go best with her dress is not advice she will get that day at the range. I am a better husband having worked with mostly women but sometimes who Bella is dating in Twilight is just not a conversation I always want to discuss. No I am not going to see Magic Mike with the girls and these females will experience some of this loneliness. It will not be purposeful or based on whether folks believe you belong there but a fact of life of being one girl amongst 200 men.

Response by SCPO Earl Lloyd made Apr 28 at 2016 4:44 PM

SCPO Earl Lloyd — Thu, 28 Apr 2016 16:44:35 -0400

During my days (WWII) the only women serving in the Navy were the WAVES. They did wonders at their job and released guys for combat sea duty. No one thought anything about it. That's just the way it was. Those women sailors earned respect and got it. Aboard ship, there never was mention of females being assigned sea duty, and as I remember , none asked for it. We still won the war.

Response by CDR Charles Thompson made Apr 28 at 2016 6:00 PM

CDR Charles Thompson — Thu, 28 Apr 2016 18:00:30 -0400

Give them he same advise you give the guys - tell them about what they can expect ruing training and what they can expect after training. I think I might even over emphasize the fact that the infantry is the "Queen of Battle" and that armor and artillery aren't far behind.

Response by SGT Michael Ryan made Apr 28 at 2016 8:36 PM

SGT Michael Ryan — Thu, 28 Apr 2016 20:36:37 -0400

I love how you dismiss any argument that differs from yours.

Response by SGT Steven McMahon made Apr 29 at 2016 9:19 AM

SGT Steven McMahon — Fri, 29 Apr 2016 09:19:52 -0400

I want to start off by saying that joining the Infantry was the best thing I ever did with my life, besides becoming a father. I sincerely loved doing what I did, and I loved the men I served with. We were a tight knit, cohesive brotherhood of likeminded individuals that made things happen. The pride that we took in ourselves, our platoon, battalion, and the division spoke volumes of the amazing leadership that we had (although not perfect, it was pretty damn close). Things worked the way they did because of the brotherhood developed over centuries of war fighting and developing the system that is in place today. I have no doubt that there are women out there than can outperform some of the men in the Infantry today, however, I don't believe that standards need to be changed in order to best suit the needs of a new gender entering the combat arms.
The argument can be made that its a male's natural instinct to protect a woman in times of danger, but honestly, with the training one receives over countless hours before deploying to combat, its instinctual to protect everyone within your unit. I believe its instinctive to protect anyone that shares a common bond with you.
I say this with the utmost respect towards service members of the opposite gender, but I do not feel that the Infantry is the place for females. The mental and physical stress that one endures during the training, and in an actual combat environment, is almost too much for some males to endure. Males and females are anatomically different. I am not saying that to bring up the age old 'menstrual cycle' debate that I heard time and time again while on active duty, I mean body composition wise. Men and women are constructed differently. Women have a different center of gravity, womens muscle composition, and bone density are different.
While I was still on active duty, there was discussion of the development of gender specific body armor being developed, and even female friendly Rucks and other gear being developed in order to better suit the needs of the female service member. Im not opposed to gear fitting correctly, by any stretch of the imagination. In fact I wish the Army would have spent more time developing a body armor that better suited the male frame better. the IOTV was by far the most uncomfortable thing I've ever been issued (long live the plate carrier). But, they don't make 'female friendly' man-packs, female friendly, mortar systems, m240 bravos, etc.
If the integration of female service members into combat arms MOS's is going to work, females cant be excluded from positions such as ammo barer, RTO, assistant gunner, and other 'Mule' jobs, simply because people are concerned about them being able to handle the weight. To not have them fill those positions would be seen as either favoritism or sexism, depending on who is looking at it. I filled many of those positions as I rose through the ranks, and until I became a team leader, I carried a fair bit of weight, and was miserable more times than not.
I don't know what the future holds. The Army tends to makes things work more times than not, and I never reached the ranks high enough to be a part of the decision making process for the whole Army, but I feel like if this is the direction the Army is headed, they will develop a system that will make it work.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2016 12:36 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 29 Apr 2016 12:36:39 -0400

.... doesn't matter ... one day ... top official will force recruiter to keep up "female" recruitment quote ... and nothing advised here will make a different.

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Apr 29 at 2016 2:35 PM

PO1 William "Chip" Nagel — Fri, 29 Apr 2016 14:35:00 -0400

Be prepared to be challenged in ways you can't even conceive of. Be prepared to walk in some mighty big shoes of those Ladies that came before you, In my world that would be RADM Grace Hopper and Capt Margie Turner.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2016 4:35 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 29 Apr 2016 16:35:47 -0400

1. PT! PT! PT! PT! This is why:
As a female entering a Combat MOS, they will be expected to be able to keep up with their male counterparts. If they cannot meet the same PT standards as the males, they cannot be relied upon to perform some of the tasks within the job. For example, can a female Infantryman, who is accustomed to the female PT standard, still be relied upon to carry a 200lb man, in full gear, with all of his equipment, ruck, and water, out of a hotzone in a firefight (a task that most men find difficult, myself included), the way their male counterparts would?
2. LEARN THE JOBS WELL:
Again, this is from the perspective of the Infantry world (since that's the world I know, and seems to be the biggest topic of discussion). There are many facets of the Combat MOSs. There are many different components to even the lowest level's job. As an Infantry rifleman, we should know:
-the effective ranges of all of the weapon systems on a fireteam.
-LandNav
-First Aid
-Proper care and maintenance of your weapon system, as well as that of the man next to you
-All of the Battle Drills
-How to make split-second decisions based upon the scenario
And I'm sure there is more to it that is escaping my distracted mind, but even just that, with each skill's individual components is a lot to remember and apply. So learning the job is ESSENTIAL to succeeding in this field.
3. FORGET WHO YOU WERE BEFORE YOU JOINED:
This is paramount. We do not need thugs, hoodlums, brats, skanks, or children in a job field like this. We need professional, competent, efficient, and proficient soldiers. I don't care what gender you are, as this applies to EVERYONE! Are they in the ranks with us? Yes. Should we weed them out? Yes. Is it better for everyone for you to forget about all that nonsense before you join? Absolutely. As someone who will be taking on a team very soon, I can tell you that I WILL NOT tolerate behavior like that in my Joes, and I know a great many others who will not either.

But that's all I can think of for now. I hope this helps!!

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2016 9:26 PM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 29 Apr 2016 21:26:04 -0400

There are an enormous amount of cultural idiosyncrasies that are particular to the Infantry. I'm sure the other combat MOS's share some of the same. Obviously, they are particular to the MOS due to the nature of the job and the fact that is occupied, or was, solely by men. On the whole, no one was prepared for this, and many did not want this to happen. Yet, here we are. What's done is done, and being soldiers, we must suck it up and drive on.
I would advise any women considering to realize that the pioneers of any endeavor have a tough road ahead. No matter how qualified, fit, smart, or cut out for the job, there will be difficulties. A thick skin and a driving will to be a part of the branch at all costs is the type of mentality that any female thinking about becoming an 11B needs to have now. Not only are they paving the way for themselves, but others who may follow. A soldier needs to put some serious thought into undertaking that endeavor.
In time, this won't all be so shocking, but at the moment, it's a bit painful for some of us old guys.

Response by SGT Robert George made Apr 29 at 2016 9:50 PM

SGT Robert George — Fri, 29 Apr 2016 21:50:09 -0400

I heard on the radio this morning that the first female was assigned to command a airborne infantry unit ...

Response by CPO Dave Bassett made Apr 29 at 2016 10:27 PM

CPO Dave Bassett — Fri, 29 Apr 2016 22:27:05 -0400

Don't.
Why?
The increasingly toxic environment of the present day battlefield makes it impossible to protect mothers and their potential children from the unpredictable admixture of poisons that have been and will continue to be unavoidably present. Research "Teratogen". If you thought Gulf War Syndrome was a ruse, Agent Orange was just a "mistake", the Nuclear Soldiers a rumor, mustard gas.....

There is no way to control for all the variables, the risks to any children you may ever want is way too great. Want to serve with honor? There are still Hundreds of ways that won't jeopardize your future generations.

And that's the abbreviated version of my opinion of women in combat.
Hope this answered your question.

Response by TSgt Dan Decker made Apr 30 at 2016 1:21 AM

TSgt Dan Decker — Sat, 30 Apr 2016 01:21:38 -0400

Keep your head and your butt DOWN!

Response by SSG Lobo Mar made Apr 30 at 2016 1:38 AM

SSG Lobo Mar — Sat, 30 Apr 2016 01:38:43 -0400

It is all diabolical. Some women don't want to be women. They are not happy with what they have. Frankly, they will never be. A woman cannot get another woman pregnant. They can adopt all they want and hate men all they want. However, the plan is diabolical, and controlled by the spirit of Jezabel. Men and Women were suppose to multiply. Some men, and some women have others plans. Like the Chinese and their communist ideas of underpopulation. Well, sorry about that but they already have over a billion. India also have over a billion. Over a billions muslims will have all women submit to sharia law. Then what? Think this hard. Girls should stay out of infantry. Now that they are joining the infantry there "will" be more pregnancies galore.

Response by CW2 Carl Swanson made Apr 30 at 2016 12:01 PM

CW2 Carl Swanson — Sat, 30 Apr 2016 12:01:27 -0400

It is the same for anyone going into a combat arms MOS. Keep your mouth shut and learn. Don't whine, ask for anything extra and definitely do not pull out any of the drama.
That is exactly what these troops are expecting. I came out of armor prior to becoming a pilot and there have been numerous conversations about how the job is going to be affected by having females on the tank.
I tell them the exact same thing. Shut up and do your job in a professional manner. There are other countries that have women in combat arms jobs. Specifically infantry. The IDF has women who are mechs and trainers, but are not allowed on the tank in combat. I don't know about the Russians.

They are going to be under a microscope for their whole career. They will be held to a higher standard because someone out there is trying to prove that the "experiment" failed. They are just going to have to drive on.

Response by MAJ Sioux H made Apr 30 at 2016 3:39 PM

MAJ Sioux H — Sat, 30 Apr 2016 15:39:44 -0400

Same PT standards should be applied. You should not serve in a combat unit because once you become pregnant you are no longer a working member of the team for over a year, and nothing keeps you from having another pregnancy as soon as your done with the first
We who have served on active duty have experienced this CONUS and during deployment.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 30 at 2016 9:03 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 30 Apr 2016 21:03:12 -0400

I have no advice. If I were you, after they sign the documents, I would give them a wide grin, shake their hand and say "Welcome to the suck! You asked for it, you're going to live it."

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 30 at 2016 10:29 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 30 Apr 2016 22:29:56 -0400

I am a retired Military Police Master Sergeant. I went through basic at Ft McClellan, AL in 1984. We were co-ed back then. Not quite integrated though. There was on female platoon and three male platoons. When training was done on a company level you could line up with a female. Some were as hard charging as some of the males. And some were as laid back as some of the males. Throughout the Army, there are Soldiers giving 110% and there are Soldiers looking to take the easy route whenever possible. I say pull your own weight in all you do. Help your battle buddy always because that's who'll save your ass and life in combat. And for the record, as you probably already know, women have been in combat since there has been combat. May God bless America!

Response by Jordan Gaudard made May 2 at 2016 5:29 AM

Jordan Gaudard — Mon, 02 May 2016 05:29:42 -0400

Very good question SSG Bethany Viglietta. I am not combat arms but would like to add my perspective on it since it has not been brought up from what I read from the popular responses. The media will be a big part in these Soldiers lives, especially for the first few waves of females. The success and failure of each one of them will be excessively misquoted and blasted out over social media. Prepare them for the basic questions they could be asked and make sure that the response is genuine and intelligent. News reporters are some of the best interrogators, and remember what Mark Twain said, there are two types of speakers, those who enjoy it and those who lie. I have all the faith that these future combat arms females will meet the physical demands of the military. Females have been doing that for years. I also find it ignorant of people saying they need to have thick skin prior to shipping out. Sounds me to that combat arms has undisciplined Soldiers and might need to attend more mandatory training since they are not getting enough of it due to road marches.

Response by COL David S. made May 2 at 2016 12:43 PM

COL David S. — Mon, 02 May 2016 12:43:29 -0400

My response is that I have seen very few females that I would trust in a combat situation. If a woman is unable to perform to the male standards....don't do it. It can lead to tragedy and a great deal of heartache. I am obviously not in the PC Army.

Response by SPC Brian Mason made May 3 at 2016 1:02 AM

SPC Brian Mason — Tue, 03 May 2016 01:02:27 -0400

If they become a recruiter, they need to be honest. I was burned by mine and didn't get my bonus.
Being deployed is scary. Some people will show it, others will cover up their emotions. I felt so nervous and on edge until my first mission. The HUMVEE that I was in was shot at with a few rounds hitting it. One was near my head but thank goodness for armor. I was pretty hot for the next few days.
Try and see things in the military as a challenge. Take care of yourself, first and foremost. Unfortunately, people still view women being in the military at all as wrong. Don't be lazy. Qual with your weapon and get extra practice if you can. The enemy doesn't care if you're a linguist, paper pusher, or Medic (like me). They want you hurt, maimed for life or dead.
I know a good number of our female soldiers can kick tail when it comes to being one.
Deployments creep by very slowly. Don't get too relaxed while deployed. Find some way to have fun while deployed. Don't get in trouble. Work your tail off and you might get early promotion like I did. Experience a new culture. Don't trust too easily. Write letters home, a lot. Take pictures and maybe make a journal. Trying to remember all these memories years later, is going to be difficult. Most of all, situational awareness. Talk with other soldiers, especially Veterans. Many are willing to share and help others.

Response by SGT Chris Hill made May 3 at 2016 1:02 PM

SGT Chris Hill — Tue, 03 May 2016 13:02:43 -0400

It's absolute crap. Woman are emotional humans and seeing combat is something no woman is mentally prepared for. Although, there are some tougher women out there who could handle some situations, you're still wired to emotions that will still cause much worse PTSD that men.

Response by SGT Anthony Bailey made May 3 at 2016 2:07 PM

SGT Anthony Bailey — Tue, 03 May 2016 14:07:13 -0400

If you wanna go 19D, close quarters in bradley's and such be able to lift the Tow. Upper body strength. PT, PT, PT...

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2016 6:05 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 May 2016 18:05:12 -0400

Have them be prepared mentally and emotionally to be among the lower 1/3 of their class in physical requirements. This is simply because of the differences in the sexes in how we are physically built. Example; Most reasonably fit men come up out of the prone head first and can go straight into a run. Most females, even those very fit, come up from the prone butt first. This is not a critique, it is simply because of the differences in bone structure & musculature in men and women. Combat arms is a VERY physically demanding field and most women will not be able to excel in them simply because of the differences in the male and female physiques unless the military changes the standards to allow for those differences.
The BEST thing you can do for your recruits is to show them the physical standards they must meet and explain that these are the minimums. Have a PT mat and chin up bar handy so they can attempt to meet those standards and then have a idea if they want to try to meet them on a daily basis.

Response by COL Charles Williams made May 5 at 2016 12:38 AM

COL Charles Williams — Thu, 05 May 2016 00:38:35 -0400

Meet or exceed all current standards, smile, and focus on your training/mission. Be the best you, you can be...

Response by SFC David Pratt made May 7 at 2016 2:48 AM

SFC David Pratt — Sat, 07 May 2016 02:48:52 -0400

Don't quit! Develop thick skin. Don't take anything personal. Give 100% and then some. Your only limitation will be yourself.

Response by SFC David Pratt made May 7 at 2016 3:00 AM

SFC David Pratt — Sat, 07 May 2016 03:00:50 -0400

Also, don't paint it as glamorous. I'm still trying to figure out how female infantryman will piss while on a knee wearing a 100 pound ruck while pulling security in a hasty security halt, without compromising security. Not to mention the breaks in 360 security from around the hasty perimeter as Joe breaks his neck looking in her direction: if the tv is on, Joe is gonna watch. Like I said before: thick skin.

Response by Cpl Mark A. Morris made May 11 at 2016 10:22 AM

Cpl Mark A. Morris — Wed, 11 May 2016 10:22:30 -0400

Greetings,

If the ship has sailed as you say, the following will help being in the field.

1. Noise discipline and stay out of the open. Nothing shinny. Cover your face and hands somehow. Use mud if you have to.
2. You are part of a team. Go slow on patrol. (no smoking, no coughing, no nothing!) Swamps are your friend. Snake and turtle tastes good.
3. Match stick heads (the big kind that come in a box have a lot of sulfur). I ate several in the morning and several in the evening. Once, I tested this. I let a large spider craw to my arm while taking a break in my shelter half. It stayed a second next to my arm. Then, turned around and left. No ticks that trip and only about two chiggers. Remarkable.
4. As acting Platoon Sgt. of Charlie Company SOI 1991, I made sure I was on fire watch at 0000hrs until 0200hrs. Force Recon would sometimes probe our lines to practice their juju. Throw rocks at them. But, sometimes it is just an Armadillo. Don't be the person on firewatch that gets stuff stolen. Be especially watchful at night.
5. Get a stinking haircut. Why? Try to take care of hair in the field. The water bull is not to make sure your pretty. Over 90 degrees. have two extra canteens.
6. If I'm your enemy, I will be attacking under low light, 3/4 moon, or a storm. Be ready to counter attack, get on line and/or fall to Rally point. Regroup. Prepare to kill. Leave no enemy fighter alive as you assault through. SOP

There is a lot more information. But, your Platoon Sgt. should teach you and explain to you the rest in the manual. Get good at it. It may mean your life. BTW. ROE suck. Strength has it's own deterant. Also, no John Wayne's (not the can opener). Keep your head down!

Two downloads for your phone I recommend. The Art of War and Marine Corp Platoon/Squad tactics. Just look and read through them while in your hooch. Trip wire is cheap.

Enjoy your youth. It goes by too fast.

Mark A. Morris BS, RDMS, RVT

Response by SSG Delanda Hunt made May 19 at 2016 2:33 PM

SSG Delanda Hunt — Thu, 19 May 2016 14:33:48 -0400

Tell her that
1. She will most likely be the most hated person in the Platoon, because she will change the way Grunts behave, unless she is Hot, then a lot of them will fight over her like the last baby back rib.
2. If she don't take the same PT test under the same scoring system then she will never have their respect.
3. Her body will be crippled by the age of 30, Woman are not built to carry that kind of weight.
4. She needs to be ready to be filthy a lot. She might consider pampers because the unit will not stop every time she has to pee.
5. After all the SHARP classes no one would want to be around you, because of the fear of going to Leavenworth.
6. Be ready to be around a bunch of horny 18,19,20 year old juvenile delinquents.
7. Enjoy your time in the Infantry.

Response by SSG Delanda Hunt made May 19 at 2016 2:47 PM

SSG Delanda Hunt — Thu, 19 May 2016 14:47:04 -0400

Are the female recruits going to receive Testosterone shots and other male hormones. Will they be allowed to cry when the Sergeant says something mean to them or will the Sergeant end up in Leavenworth? let the disaster begin.

Response by PO1 Aaron Baltosser made May 19 at 2016 4:49 PM

PO1 Aaron Baltosser — Thu, 19 May 2016 16:49:19 -0400

Never expect to be coddled. If you are found to be NPQ...Not Physically Qualified for duty in a combat role, expect to get shitcanned as fast as any man would. Don't employ dirtbag tactics when you are held accountable like false accusations of sexual harrassment just because you get caught not up to standards and get pissed.

Response by MAJ Matthew Arnold made May 19 at 2016 5:03 PM

MAJ Matthew Arnold — Thu, 19 May 2016 17:03:29 -0400

1. It's not about you. The company/troop/battery/section is a team.
2. Regardless of gender, we all have different abilities/challenges. The biggest and strongest is not always the best for the job. There is a place where you are the best one for the job. Fit in where you fit in and do your best.

Response by LCpl Ronnie Padgett made May 23 at 2016 9:49 PM

LCpl Ronnie Padgett — Mon, 23 May 2016 21:49:35 -0400

25 years later and I am taking pills just to maintain. this maybe be a good thing, then it wont be to hard to prove PTSD in men

Response by Cpl Chris Woodford made May 26 at 2016 12:39 PM

Cpl Chris Woodford — Thu, 26 May 2016 12:39:24 -0400

Stand fast... first I must inspect all the female privates!

Response by LCpl Kenneth Heath made Jun 2 at 2016 1:09 PM

LCpl Kenneth Heath — Thu, 02 Jun 2016 13:09:08 -0400

All people wishing to join ANY branch of our military should be held to the same high standards, DO NOT lower the standard for one gender; it's demeaning and it lowers force capability. Equal reward for equal accomplishment.

Response by MSG Dan Castaneda made Jun 10 at 2016 7:40 AM

MSG Dan Castaneda — Fri, 10 Jun 2016 07:40:38 -0400

Keep your legs closed. Do not allow the stereotype that a lot of male Soldiers think is going to happen, happen to you.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 15 at 2016 2:58 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 15 Jun 2016 14:58:27 -0400

As a young female entering into the service as combat arms. Stay ready and able! I have met many that are surely able and some that are not, (both male and female). There are males in the felid that shouldn't. be, and this will be defined in the future I'm sure with the OPAT (Occupational Physical Assessment Scores) scores that are to be a part of our future Service Members maintaining their MOS. I say that maintain your level of fitness and always put the team first. We accomplish the missions of our service as a team and not as an individual. You are not just a Female in Combat Arms you are a member of the team. A team that will be there for you ...Always and you should be in return....Always. As long as you stay mission focused and look for the betterment of the the team you will excel as a Soldier. Keep The Rock Stars coming, this change will definitely add elements to the Team that I am sure are well needed.

Response by SGT Tony Clifford made Jun 16 at 2016 10:08 PM

SGT Tony Clifford — Thu, 16 Jun 2016 22:08:45 -0400

My advice would be the same as any other soldier.

-Know that you know nothing
-Be prepared for the best and worst experiences of your life.
-Remember that your platoon is your family and never betray their trust.
-Be prepared to trust your platoon without hesitation (your life could depend on it)
-Your NCOs know what they're doing even if you think that you know better.

Response by SFC Wayne Robinson made Jun 16 at 2016 10:45 PM

SFC Wayne Robinson — Thu, 16 Jun 2016 22:45:25 -0400

we don't need mentors we need individuals who will go that extra mile and go through the training without it being whitewashed to prove a point. women will serve in combat arms some will die some will live, just like their counterparts. It depends on how they go about being trained and listening to the leaders who have been there and done that. let them cry let them whine their counterparts did so why shouldn't they. A strong willed person will make it thru, A whoosh or mamas girl will get someone killed. Be all you can be.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 17 at 2016 2:01 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Jun 2016 02:01:29 -0400

It's- in theory- like any other job in the Army. Do your job, do your job, do your job. As long as you're in the right place, right time, with the right uniform and equipment you will be treated the same as any other Soldier.

Response by SSG Delanda Hunt made Jun 19 at 2016 7:22 PM

SSG Delanda Hunt — Sun, 19 Jun 2016 19:22:01 -0400

This is a bad idea and the Military is setting you up for failure unless they going to allow to have Testosterone and steroid injections. Plus your body will be torn apart and you will be surrounded by 20 to 30 horny men that will look at you like the last pork chop. Besides that, it will be wonderful.

Response by SSG Delanda Hunt made Jun 20 at 2016 12:52 PM

SSG Delanda Hunt — Mon, 20 Jun 2016 12:52:53 -0400

To bad Logan you can't handle the truth. You make my point why Woman is not wanted and will never be accepted by Men in Combat Arms. This is not some reality show we are talking about, people will die because of poor decision making.

Response by SPC Sheila Lewis made Jun 28 at 2016 11:24 AM

SPC Sheila Lewis — Tue, 28 Jun 2016 11:24:56 -0400

Prepare to learn and work hard, and to sweat and get dirty, put away the cellular phone and listen.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2016 12:28 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 02 Jul 2016 12:28:06 -0400

I don't mind the transition, but be prepared to feel the same treatment everyone else will receive. I've already seen many junior enlisted moan, and complain about training and not wanting to do their job. I think its just going to add more fuel to the fire. New Army, so all we can do is adapt to the changes. I believe its not going to succeed though.

Response by SFC George Smith made Aug 3 at 2016 6:26 PM

SFC George Smith — Wed, 03 Aug 2016 18:26:53 -0400

You Have a Long Row to Hoe...
First, I retired 17 years ago after 26 years of combined Active, Army National Guard, and Army Reserve time.
As The Recruits are Primarily American they are going to be used to Social Norms on the street and in Civilian Life ... They will have to learn to turn it off ... There is a time and place and in Uniform and when Deployed are not the Place or time...
One of the Key things you need to do is get Serious Feed Back from the 2 Officers who recently Graduated "Ranger" School. They are going to have First Hand of what to expect.
Next Follow the progression of the 2 Officers? Who have been selected for "Special Forces Selection and Assessment, " The Precursor to The Special Forces Qualification Course... Or what ever they are calling this days.
Most of the Guys Here Have summed it up nicely.And the Ladies Know First Hand the Up Hill Battles the Recruits will Face.
A Little History on how the military has handled the women in the Past.
I was in the same Airborne class as the First Female Army Parachutists... We went 3 weeks of training and never saw them until Blood wings on The DZ... Where were they...
I was also on the NCO side Of the "SF Q-Corse Class 1-80" as the first female to go thru the "Special Forces Qualification Course (1979-1980) "
Tell them not to threaten law suits and Congressional Investigations... That Just makes People Mad.
Inform You Female Recruits to leave the Fancy Frilly Girly Things Locked till off Duty make not efforts to flirt or amuse other troops... Keep it simple.
DOL...

Response by SGT Alejandro Sarandrea made Aug 4 at 2016 2:10 PM

SGT Alejandro Sarandrea — Thu, 04 Aug 2016 14:10:21 -0400

If my sister or daughter were joining today, I would be proud of them and want them to know it! I would also advise caution. Know your job and know it well. Take pride in every task. And I would advise them to take advantage of every opportunity whether it's airborne, tuition reimbursement or Sapper school. I would have to be frank with them and tell them to be careful who they decide to sleep with; it happens sometimes, we get close to the people we work with. But it's never a good idea to sleep with anyone in your battalion, and it's not the best idea to sleep with anyone above your pay grade (I would tell a man the same thing, but I wouldn't be as concerned for him). Rank doesn't make anyone a good person or someone you can trust. Other than that I'd say live the dream. the army is an amazing place to grow up!

Response by CPL Bhonehomie Reed made Aug 4 at 2016 3:55 PM

CPL Bhonehomie Reed — Thu, 04 Aug 2016 15:55:02 -0400

First of all, I don't see or hear about how many females are chomping at the bit to try and become the tip of the spear. Like I said before, if a female can pass the required training with the same standards as the men, I don't see why they shouldn't get the chance. In reality, many of the females do not want this or cannot meet the standards for combat arms. Lowering the standards to allow more females the opportunity to join the ranks of combat arms will weaken our forces and lead to mission failures and death. The current standards are set by the real expectations of the job, both mentally and physically. It takes real dedication and commitment from those who complete the required training to serve in a combat arms unit. In reality, hom many females possess the required intestinal fortitude to achieve to achieve it? These new regulations are strictly political in nature and in my opinion are weakening our all volunteer military and creating distractions that are totally unnecessary. The military is not a political pawn and should not be used as one. It is a line of defense and a tool for action and deterrence. If our enemies see weakness or confusion in our military, it opens doors for possible attacks. We need proven and capable warfighers on the front lines, not a gender or equality statement. This is strictly my opinion, from 12 years of Army experience. Sincerely, a humble yet irritated combat veteran.

Response by PVT John Williams made Aug 4 at 2016 7:46 PM

PVT John Williams — Thu, 04 Aug 2016 19:46:49 -0400

Two words ladies......"Good Luck". You're gonna need it to break down that ceiling.

Response by SSG Donnie Lowery made Aug 11 at 2016 6:56 PM

SSG Donnie Lowery — Thu, 11 Aug 2016 18:56:23 -0400

Just show your ability to do the job everything else will fall into place!

Response by Sgt Jamie Grippin made Aug 11 at 2016 7:13 PM

Sgt Jamie Grippin — Thu, 11 Aug 2016 19:13:52 -0400

I have no issue with women in any job specialty but they need to be able to keep up or ship out. There are no extra points on the field of battle for fielding a diverse fighting force. Lessening the standards will not make things more fair, it will only leave more bodies on the field. I don't believe that is anyone's goal. The women who choose to enter these specialties need to be very honest with themselves ...... are they willing to commit? Men do not get pregnant and then are not mission ready, Women are more prone to bone, joint and connective tissue injury than their male counter parts. Men already incur long term injuries from training and deployments. So are women entering these fields weighing all the potential consequences of their decision to enter these fields and how entering these fields my affect them later in life. Artillery and mortar rounds do not weigh less for women. Everyone carries extra ammo for squad weapons and you can't expect your male counter parts to carry what you cannot. If you are jumping out of planes or fast roping gravity works the same for men and women. (men in these specialties suffer back, leg and hip injuries) Entering these fields needs to be a long term and honest decision.

Response by Capt Tom Brown made Aug 11 at 2016 7:32 PM

Capt Tom Brown — Thu, 11 Aug 2016 19:32:58 -0400

SSG Bethany Viglietta - 90 up votes & 434 comments. Did you get some good insights and ideas which are not covered during yr training? What are the top few things you mention to a HS grad?

Response by SGM Barry Kindred made Aug 11 at 2016 10:48 PM

SGM Barry Kindred — Thu, 11 Aug 2016 22:48:01 -0400

Dont

Response by SGM Barry Kindred made Aug 11 at 2016 11:09 PM

SGM Barry Kindred — Thu, 11 Aug 2016 23:09:32 -0400

I would only take the advice from those that served in combat MOS. IMHO.
THESE FAIRYTALE pixie dust crap will never be anything but few and far between. Guarantee only these things; a wet ass, a hungry gut, and one hell of a hard time.
Seriously

Response by SGT Tim Soyars made Aug 11 at 2016 11:25 PM

SGT Tim Soyars — Thu, 11 Aug 2016 23:25:40 -0400

My advise is simple. Don't bite off more than you can chew. Women in Combat arms has been coming for a while. We have even had two females graduate from Ranger School. But the thing to remember is that graduation and a Ranger tab does not a Ranger make. With the training tempo of SpecOps units being so high, it is the very few males who can keep it up for years on end. Don't get me wrong. I have worked/trained/taught women who were harder than woodpecker lips and I would be honored to have them at my six. They could do well there, but this would be hard for most. There are plenty of Combat Arms jobs out there in some high speed, low drag units like the 101st & 82nd Airborne. If they are young and don't have any experience in the military, i.e. prior service, then look at them hard when and where they want to go. To get in over you head will only hurt the recruit and make the failure rate abnormally high. This is the case for females AND males.

Response by SFC Russell Shaw made Aug 25 at 2016 1:56 PM

SFC Russell Shaw — Thu, 25 Aug 2016 13:56:26 -0400

Be of strong character and have high integrity. I know you hear this all the time as it is really important in the military. The truth about these two characteristics are found in the orange, when you squeeze an orange till it busts you get orange juice. if you squeeze an orange till it busts and you get lemon juice then it obviously is not an orange. I say this because like the orange when we are squeezed who we really are will be what comes out. If your character and integrity are not very strong those around you will find out pretty quickly if you are an orange with orange juice or an orange with lemon juice. Who we are is found on the inside. Develop from the inside out and you will not go wrong, your orange will always have orange juice in it.

That's the lesson the question I have is. What do you really really really want to do? Why do you want to do it? Make sure both of these answers line up with your big picture. Your big picture question is where do I want to be in 20 years or even 10 years and is this going to help me to get what I want at the end of 10 or 20 years.

I have read this questions several times over the past few weeks and have been searching for an answer and did not really have a good one till now. I truly hope this helps someone. I want the best for you, as you should want the best for yourself.

Response by TSgt Dan Decker made Sep 1 at 2016 6:14 PM

TSgt Dan Decker — Thu, 01 Sep 2016 18:14:21 -0400

Make sure you do your share of the work and a little more. After all, you have something to prove whether you want to do so or not. 'Twould be a thousand shames if a wounded team mate died because you were physically unable to carry them out of a combat zone. Use the same standards and you should be alright. Keep your head and your ass DOWN!

Response by SGM Nathan Thomas made Jul 20 at 2017 4:45 PM

SGM Nathan Thomas — Thu, 20 Jul 2017 16:45:25 -0400

What we have is a cultural thing of our women not being in combat which is not shared in other countries. There were women in the Bible that were in combat and where they were exceptions, they were with God! I say any woman that goes into a combat unit, learn your craft, carry your weight, know there will be those that will box you in of what their image of what a woman should be and can do. You can be just as deadly in combat as that male soldier next to you and still not lose your feminine side. Stay true to who you are and be a professional. When you or if you have to be in a fire fight brawl with the best of them. Remember close with and violence of action! The other thing to remember is that we all have weaknesses and a true team covers each other because where one may be weak in an area and other is strong in that area and that counts whether in an all male or male female combat unit! Combat is not pretty and even training in case of combat is not pretty. know there will be days of no baths, not being squeamish when one has to expose parts of their body for leach checks and so on.
HOLD YOUR OWN, KNOW YOUR CRAFT, LEAD BY EXAMPLE, AND BE PROUD TO BE A WARRIOR!

Response by LTC Betty Holm made Jul 20 at 2017 4:53 PM

LTC Betty Holm — Thu, 20 Jul 2017 16:53:39 -0400

As the first female SMP in the AR National Guard in 1980 and one of the first female CE Officers in the 39th INF BDE HQ's in the mid 80's I would tell them to carry their weight but most of all be a Soldier and do the job that you signed up to do without asking for special consideration. Be a team player and they will accept you as part of the team. Remember there are those that are negative in all areas of work whether it is in the Military or Civilian world. Do the best that you can do and the expertise will follow. Good luck.

Response by Cpl John Barker made Jul 20 at 2017 4:56 PM

Cpl John Barker — Thu, 20 Jul 2017 16:56:07 -0400

I wouldn't recommend it, it's a tough lifestyle and many of the lionesses I worked with in Afghanistan in 2009 expressed regret

Response by Cpl Armando Mireles made Jul 20 at 2017 4:57 PM

Cpl Armando Mireles — Thu, 20 Jul 2017 16:57:30 -0400

Stay above fit. You will be tested. Do not carry your emotions on your sleeve. If you get S&^T throw it right back. Respect the Ol Salts.
Best of luck!

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 22 at 2017 1:17 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 22 Jul 2017 01:17:19 -0400

Wow, there seem to be a BUNCH of people saying "don't expect to be treated differently" and "just do your job and everything else should work out" or some such thing. The problem with those types of comments, as well-meaning as they are, is that they are basically WRONG. The truth is that female Soldiers aren't treated like "one of the guys" in most NON combat units, and they damned well aren't going to be treated like @just another Soldier in combat units. Young Soldiers will vie for a female Soldier's attention and for her, ahem, attentions.
So what's a female Soldier to do? Well in that I completely agree with what most of the other posters have said here - do your job, don't let the good 'ok boys network ruffle your feathers, give as good as you get. But to all that I add this: don't fall into the trap of being the "Unit Princess." Don't let the fact that men are essentially a bunch of knuckle-dragging Neanderthals who follow their libido wherever it leads them become an issue by buying into all of the platitudes that will come your way. And it doesn't matter whether your a beauty queen or a bulldog - young guys will find ANY excuse to "hot that," and be the guy who "conquered" that particular obstacle before anyone else.
So yes, do your job. Yes, don't just deal with toilet humor but either definitively tell the assholes to stop or join in and hit them all with both barrels. And yes, do what you need to do in order to fit in with the rest of your unit while maintaining both your integrity and following the Soldiers and (if you're of that rank) the NCO Creed.
But ALSO be constantly mindful that your generation is NOT the one that will erase the thought of gender in combat units - yours is the generation that paves the way for that future generation, and the best way to do that is to both keep showing that you are worthy of your billet and to "keep it in your pants" so to speak, and keep the business of being a Combat Arms Soldier SEPERATE from whatever pleasure here may be out there.
Godspeed.

Response by SGM Greg Jenkins made Jul 28 at 2017 9:38 AM

SGM Greg Jenkins — Fri, 28 Jul 2017 09:38:12 -0400

I think anyone who can meet the standards and live up to the values of their chosen branch should be allowed to serve, and thank you to those have served and are serving now. YOU ROCK!

Response by CPO Glenn Moss made Jul 28 at 2017 10:01 AM

CPO Glenn Moss — Fri, 28 Jul 2017 10:01:43 -0400

Well...my opinion on the matter is this:

Be prepared. Meet (and exceed) your standards. Attend to your duties and responsibilities as you should.

I'm a retired submariner, so combat for me takes on a different perspective than for Army Soldiers. But male or female, combat is no joke. Perhaps more so than at any other time, your life, and the lives of those around you, are directly dependent upon your capabilities.

Those capabilities are physical, mental, and emotional. And they aren't any different between the genders.

So maximize them. Don't compromise. Know your job. Learn the jobs of those around you and above you. Do your duty. Know your limits and push them. Don't accept any less from yourself or your team mates.

And if anybody should contest the gender issue? So long as you're doing what I've said, as far as I'm concerned, they can bugger off.

Response by SPC Mike Lake made Feb 4 at 2018 5:58 PM

SPC Mike Lake — Sun, 04 Feb 2018 17:58:41 -0500

Drive on soldier Drive on !!!

Response by SSG Harry Outcalt made Jun 12 at 2018 12:09 AM

SSG Harry Outcalt — Tue, 12 Jun 2018 00:09:15 -0400

Simple , combat arm's is the hardest job in war time , why ? Because it's the intention of Combat Arm's Soldier's to go say hi to the enemy up close and very personal , so that means that you as a combat arm's wannabe must be in better shape physically and mentally compared to your male counterpart's , the truth is if you can't exceed the standards don't bother wasting your time ,if you think you got what it takes then step one is find a friend who is Combat arm's qualified and ask him to prepare you ...... After that it's go time to find out what your made of.... Can you earn the Blue Cord

Response by LTC James McElreath made Nov 24 at 2018 5:19 PM

LTC James McElreath — Sat, 24 Nov 2018 17:19:07 -0500

In the Army Reserve setting I think that one would be greeted with a lot less animosity than active duty. Don't get me wrong it would not be easy in the USAR either. That is such a since of invasion of space so to speak. The good ole boys are being force fed the opening of their ranks and to what I have read, they are finding ways to fight back. If I am not mistaken, a woman did make it past selection so who knows they and she may be given a chance.

Response by LTC Tom Jones made Jul 25 at 2022 8:10 AM

LTC Tom Jones — Mon, 25 Jul 2022 08:10:28 -0400

Run.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Jul 25 at 2022 9:43 AM

CW3 Kevin Storm — Mon, 25 Jul 2022 09:43:30 -0400

My advice, learn your job inside and out, be the one soldiers come to for advice. Work to excel and be humble about it. If the Ma Deuce needs to get carried down to the motorpool for an FTX, don't shy away from it, embrace it.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jul 25 at 2022 11:22 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Mon, 25 Jul 2022 23:22:14 -0400

I realize this is an old post but I am compelled to say something. It is the same for the males:
- Be a team player and don't talk bad about your buddies.
- Have a great attitude.
- Be willing to learn.
- Be willing to work hard.
- Take diaper wipes to the field and deployments.
- Be a good follower because that is the foundation to becoming a good leader in the future.
- Watch what your buddies and bosses do. See if they are good or bad examples.
- Have fun in life.
- Use every available means to improve your life to include education.
- Know the army values and never stray from them. Stay pure.

Response by GySgt Kenneth Pepper made Jul 27 at 2022 9:30 AM

GySgt Kenneth Pepper — Wed, 27 Jul 2022 09:30:59 -0400

Check out the PBS documentary on the "Lioness" program from OIF. Nuff said.

Response by CPL Joe Brown made Sep 18 at 2022 10:59 AM

CPL Joe Brown — Sun, 18 Sep 2022 10:59:32 -0400

Women have no business in combat units. It distracts the real members of that unit and takes away the comradeship that keeps that unit from falling apart. Furthermore if women are so great at combat where were they in WWII, Korea and Vietnam. Nursing and paper pushers...where they belong. It goes to say that women are taking over this once great nation in droves and I see no way for America to continue leading the free world as we have seen. Especially given today's corrupt politics and greed.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made May 4 at 2023 7:37 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Thu, 04 May 2023 19:37:24 -0400

Females need to be competent at tasks that require strength and endurance should it be carrying 100 lbs. artillery rounds, throwing a 40 lbs. tank round into the breach in 6 seconds or less, road marching many miles will full gear and equipment. Don't show physical nor emotional weakness. Being a good overall soldier with a good attitude is implied, but combat arms require knowledge on how to fight.

For the following narrative I will discuss 19k or tankers as an example. Master your craft as a tanker. Learn the art and science of warfare so the reasons for executing tasks before and during the fight are understood and executed without thought. The goal is not only to be the best load but also the best tanker possible. I will use this analogy. If someone wants to become a true artist the person should not be content at being competent at pencil drawing only. There is more to being an artist.

Responsibilities of a loader. (This is the most junior position in a tank.):
- Grab rounds from the ready rack and throwing it into the breach in 6 seconds or less after the fire command is given.
- Assist the Tank Commander in navigating through rough terrain.
- Assist in the maintenance of the tank.

Understand formations on the move and in the defense:
- Collum formation is used when enemy contact is not expected.
- Counter Collum formation is used when enemy contact is possible.
- Wedge formation is used when enemy contact is expected.
- After contact the tanks by might bound to the enemy by section.
- The tanks might attack by fire only.
- In the defense the formation is often a line.

Understand sector sketches and things like:
- Obstacles.
- Most dangerous enemy weapons systems.
- Avenues of approach.
- Target reference points.
- Firing plans.

What to do in Assembly Areas:
- Prepare for future operations.
- Maintenance.
- Resupply.
- Rest.