What is worse: Hillary "No Americans died in Libya", Trump "the generals are rubble", or Gary Johnson "What's an Aleppo"?

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 08 Sep 2016 16:08:32 -0400

I think you can stick a fork in Governor Johnson; his pot smoking caught up with him - this afternoon's damage control notwithstanding.
For Hillary, it was an unforced error. She was clearly on defense after all of the email questions from Matt Lauer. That Navy officer really knocked it out of the park with his question stating that he'd be in jail if he did anything like that.
Trump, Trumped.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 8 at 2016 4:14 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 08 Sep 2016 16:14:25 -0400

I'm still voting for Johnson. I cannot get behind Trump or Clinton.

Response by SGT Jeremiah B. made Sep 8 at 2016 4:19 PM

SGT Jeremiah B. — Thu, 08 Sep 2016 16:19:14 -0400

To be fair, in context, Clinton was clearly talking about the US intervention. She said "We did not lose a single American in that action.” It was in response to a question about her hawkish tendencies, so I don't think it was a wrong or misleading statement.

Trump clearly has zero idea how the military works and has demonstrated it repeatedly.

Johnson though? How the hell do you get into the middle of 2016 and not know what "an Aleppo" is?!

Response by SGT Jacob Santillan made Sep 8 at 2016 4:19 PM

SGT Jacob Santillan — Thu, 08 Sep 2016 16:19:42 -0400

This one:

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Sep 8 at 2016 4:25 PM

CPT Jack Durish — Thu, 08 Sep 2016 16:25:28 -0400

Let's get this out of the way first: There has been a blood letting among flag officers in recent years, culling out any and all who had the temerity to disagree with President Obama (despite the fact that he refuses to accept responsibility for his bad decisions. Thus, it is fair to call all who remain, the rubble of that process.

That leaves Hillary's insane assertion that she has not blood on her hands. Lightning should have struck her on the spot when she uttered those words.

Response by LTC Marc King made Sep 8 at 2016 4:27 PM

LTC Marc King — Thu, 08 Sep 2016 16:27:32 -0400

When put in perspective you have to think Trump got it right... He does not always explained it well -- hard to do with a 15 word vocabulary but the facts speak for themselves...

Grand Total: 197 Officers fired or retired:

Year: 2013 (9, so far).

1. Marine Col. Daren Margolin “ Quantico Oct. 18, 2013. Was in charge of Quantico's Security Battalion.
2. Marine Major General C.M.M. Gurganus Oct. 12, 2013. Commander Regional Command Southwest and I Marine Expeditionary Force (Forward) in Afghanistan.
3. AF Major Gen. Michael Carey Oct. 8, 2013. 2-star commander of 20th Air Force. 3 wings of ICBMs. 450 nukes. Covered 3 AF bases across nation.
4. Navy Vice-Admiral Tim Guardina Oct. 9, 2013. 3-star vice-commander all US nuclear forces (land/air/sea). Relieved of command. Demoted in rank to 2-stars.
5. Marine Major General Gregg A. Sturdevant September 2013. Director of strategic planning and policy for U.S. Pacific Command and commander of the Aviation Wing At Camp Bastion, Afghanistan.
6. Marine Col. James Christmas July 18, 2013. Commanded 22nd Marine Expeditionary Unit. Also, commanded the new Special-Purpose Marine Air-Ground Task Force Crisis Response Unit.
7. Army Brigadier General Bryan Roberts May 2013. Commander, Ft. Jackson, SC.
8. Marine Gen. James Mattis May 2013. Chief of CentCom.
9. Army Major General Ralph Baker April 2013. Commander of Joint Task Force Horn of Africa at Camp Lemonnier in Djibouti, Africa

Year: 2012 (Overall total 4 +24 = 28 Final total).

1. Marine General John R. Allen Nov. 13, 2012. Commander, ISAF International Security Assistance Force.
2. Army General David Petraeus Nov. 9, 2012. Commander, International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) and Commander, U.S. Forces Afghanistan (USFOR-A). Director of CIA from September 2011 to November 2012.
3. Navy Rear Admiral Charles M. Gaouette Oct. 27, 2102. Commander, USS John C. Stennis strike group. Relieved within a day or so of Benghazi.
4. Army General Carter F. Ham Oct. 18, 2012. Commander, AFRICOM. Relieved during Benghazi from direct command of AFRICOM.

Naval Officers (all in 2012): Total 24

1. Cmdr. Derick Armstrong, Commander, guided missile destroyer USS The Sullivans.
2. Cmdr. Martin Arriola, Commander, USS Porter.
3. Capt. Antonio Cardoso, Commander, of Training Support Center San Diego.
4. Capt. James CoBell, Commander, Oceana Naval Air Stations Fleet Readiness Center Mid-Atlantic.
5. Cmdr. Joseph E. Darlak, Commander, USS Vandegrift.
6. Cmdr. Franklin Fernandez, Commander, Naval Mobile Construction Battalion 24.
7. Cmdr. Ray Hartman, Commander, amphibious dock-landing ship Fort McHenry.
8. Cmdr. Jon Haydel, Commander, USS San Diego.
9. Cmdr. Diego Hernandez, Commander, ballistic-missile submarine USS Wyoming.
10. Cmdr. Lee Hoey, Commander, Navy Drug Screening Laboratory, San Diego.
11. Cmdr. Dennis Klein, Commander, submarine USS Columbia.
12. Capt. Marcia Kim Lyons, Commander, Naval Health Clinic New England.
13. Capt. Chuck Litchfield, Commander, USS Essex.
14. Capt. Robert Marin, Commander, USS Cowpens.
15. Capt. Sean McDonell, Commander, Seabee reserve unit Naval Mobile Construction Battalion 14.
16. Cmdr. Corrine Parker, Commander, Fleet Logistics Support Squadron 1.
17. Capt. Lisa Raimondo, Commander, Naval Health Clinic Patuxent River, Md.
18. Capt. Jeffrey Riedel, Program manager, Littoral Combat Ship program.
19. Cmdr. Sara Santoski, Commander, Helicopter Mine Countermeasures Squadron 15.
20. Cmdr. Sheryl Tannahill, Commander, Navy Operational Support Center Nashville.
21. Cmdr. Michael Ward, Commander, USS Pittsburgh.
22. Capt. Michael Wiegand, Commander, Southwest Regional Maintenance Center.
23. Capt. Ted Williams, Commander, Mount Whitney.
24. Cmdr. Jeffrey Wissel, Commander, of Fleet Air Reconnaissance Squadron 1.

Year: 2011 Total 1 + 157 = 158 overall

Army Major Gen. Peter Fuller May 2011. A top U.S. commander in Afghanistan.

157 Air Force majors. Military advocates decry illegal early terminations of 157 Air Force majors

Year: 2010 Total 1 ( total)

1. Army Gen. Stanley McChrystal June 2010. Overall commander Afghanistan. Replaced by Gen. Petraeus.

1. Year: 2009 Total 1 (total)
Army Gen. David D. McKiernan 2009. First 4-star relieved since Truman relieved MacArthur. Commanded in Afghanistan

Response by SSG Michael Hartsfield made Sep 8 at 2016 4:29 PM

SSG Michael Hartsfield — Thu, 08 Sep 2016 16:29:12 -0400

As I've said before, Hillary has the experience and knows how to navigate the shark infested waters that is DC politics. Nobody in Washington likes either Trump or Johnson and they would more than likely face Obama-esque obstruction from Republicans and Democrats alike. No one here may like or want to hear it, but Hillary knows the landscape. Johnson doesn't and Trump wouldn't be willing to learn it.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 8 at 2016 4:39 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 08 Sep 2016 16:39:53 -0400

To simply answer your question, there is not much worse than dead service members that you are responsible for. Trump may call people names and may hurt their feelings, but that's life. HRC's actions took away life. That's all I need to know.

Response by PO2 David Ball made Sep 8 at 2016 4:58 PM

PO2 David Ball — Thu, 08 Sep 2016 16:58:37 -0400

The rubble of Mr. Obama by a long shot. Oh also too many belt way bandits in the General Staff of late, hell for that matter too many Generals!

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 8 at 2016 5:07 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 08 Sep 2016 17:07:28 -0400

Well, since Hillary was correct, as her comment referred to the military intervention, I'd say Trump's is the worst. Johnson honestly said he didn't know, and Trump just lied to try and deceive people.

Response by SFC George Smith made Sep 8 at 2016 5:12 PM

SFC George Smith — Thu, 08 Sep 2016 17:12:21 -0400

This clown has never been a serious contender...

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Sep 8 at 2016 5:36 PM

Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS — Thu, 08 Sep 2016 17:36:30 -0400

Gary Johnson went on Social Media and admits his mistakes. Doesn't have scandals, and if he doesn't know something doesn't try to BS his way through it. Can you say the same about the other two?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 8 at 2016 6:17 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 08 Sep 2016 18:17:51 -0400

omg , cant believe that these are our options. I say Gary Johnson, Hilary is corrupt and Trump is an idiot, he's disrespectful, arrogant, acts like a 2yr old. He'll get it right.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 8 at 2016 6:43 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 08 Sep 2016 18:43:56 -0400

None of it means anything, what matters is the candidates positions on important issues and who they are beholden to once elected.

Response by MSG Pat Colby made Sep 8 at 2016 8:00 PM

MSG Pat Colby — Thu, 08 Sep 2016 20:00:51 -0400

Go to a bar and order a "Cuba Libre". After the bartender has to look it up, be prepared for a shitty weak ass drink.