What is the real reason a Buck SGT is so angry?

SPC James Burkett II — Fri, 28 Aug 2015 04:48:24 -0400

So we have all known the lazy angry Buck SGT, but why is someone who just got a raise so angry?

Response by PO1 John Miller made Aug 28 at 2015 5:03 AM

PO1 John Miller — Fri, 28 Aug 2015 05:03:24 -0400

Because now they have to be responsible and don't want to be in a position of authority?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 28 at 2015 5:06 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Aug 2015 05:06:33 -0400

The E-4 Mafia has wrote them off, but still provides their services.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 28 at 2015 5:31 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Aug 2015 05:31:20 -0400

Learning leadership is why. It's frustrating trying to get people to do things but don't have the experience to properly motivate them to get it done. That's why they are always yelling. As for lazy, there should be no such thing. If I have a lazy SGT he will be meeting me with a pt belt and a 2 qt. There's no room for a lazy team leader.

Response by A1C Charles D Wilson made Aug 28 at 2015 5:33 AM

A1C Charles D Wilson — Fri, 28 Aug 2015 05:33:45 -0400

He remembers all the flack he gave the Buck SGT from E-1 and now he has 20-40 going to do the same to him.

Response by PO2 Corey Ferretti made Aug 28 at 2015 7:02 AM

PO2 Corey Ferretti — Fri, 28 Aug 2015 07:02:53 -0400

What is a Buck SGT?

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 28 at 2015 7:19 AM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Aug 2015 07:19:03 -0400

He is lowest E5 and gets all the crap jobs?

Response by MAJ Bryan Zeski made Aug 28 at 2015 7:27 AM

MAJ Bryan Zeski — Fri, 28 Aug 2015 07:27:26 -0400

New Manager Syndrome. Happens to a lot of 2LTs too.

Response by SGT Ben Keen made Aug 28 at 2015 7:29 AM

SGT Ben Keen — Fri, 28 Aug 2015 07:29:00 -0400

I wouldn't say that every newly promoted SGT is angry or lazy. I would say for most, the transition from E4 to E5 is rough. More often than not, once promoted, not only is the new NCO trying to figure out his/her new role but more often than not, he/she is trying to do so in a new team because the command team doesn't want him/her trying to lead the same E3s and E4s that they came up in the ranks. It can all also be frustrating to try and find answers from senior NCOs only to be told to find the answer for yourself. Again, this transition is not easy at all.

Now I would say some become lazy. Some might feel as though they are above details and things like that. However, I encourage young leaders to stay involved. This is where you will form a lot of your leadership skills and earn the respect of the junior enlisted.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 28 at 2015 8:44 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Aug 2015 08:44:53 -0400

Because the SGT is no longer able to skip out on details. They cant sham anymore. They actually have to be responsible and accountable. And, when details are handed out, they get issued most since all of the SSG and SFC will be "stuck in meetings."

Response by SGT(P) Bruce Van Havermaet made Aug 28 at 2015 9:41 AM

SGT(P) Bruce Van Havermaet — Fri, 28 Aug 2015 09:41:50 -0400

I have seen a lot of new SGT's and most embrace the new role. Some go beyond that leadership role,you have to use your chain of command to be a good leader.

Response by SPC Robert Mcnally made Aug 28 at 2015 10:16 AM

SPC Robert Mcnally — Fri, 28 Aug 2015 10:16:51 -0400

I believe it is because of the new responsibilities and power that they are trying to learn and make their niche in leadership style.

Response by CPT Aaron Kletzing made Aug 28 at 2015 10:20 AM

CPT Aaron Kletzing — Fri, 28 Aug 2015 10:20:41 -0400

Haha, this question made me laugh out loud! :-) It's true many times.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 28 at 2015 10:45 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Aug 2015 10:45:13 -0400

I do not agree with the people that think it is that the buck SGT is going through a steep learning curve. Most buck SGTs have had a position as a team leader or squad leader berfore being promoted.

I have a different theory. I believe it is a way to break away from being a part of the sham shield club. Once being a buddy with all, and suddenly you have to find people to do details for you, not just hiding from them. It is truly another side in many ways. You still have all your friends that are Spec4's and now you are the one that has to be the bearer of bad news... "Hey guys, we have to empty that connex again!"

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 28 at 2015 12:39 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Aug 2015 12:39:33 -0400

This would have to stem from us literally being the first line of defense for the soldiers. In some units the command isn't looking out for their best interest. They are looking for personal gain and OER bullets. I'm living this horror story as weak speak. My soldiers are like my children and they mean the world to me. So if going toe to toe with the commander means my soldiers will be treated fairly then got dang it I will.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 28 at 2015 11:24 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Aug 2015 23:24:24 -0400

They have a bigger responsibility now and they know that their brains are going to be racked with lower enlisted stuff.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 28 at 2015 11:27 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Aug 2015 23:27:00 -0400

Yeah, you might've did more than Sprain it. You have to have it evaluated and if it doesn't get better, a profile might have to do.

Response by SGT Timothy Rocheleau made Aug 29 at 2015 12:53 AM

SGT Timothy Rocheleau — Sat, 29 Aug 2015 00:53:09 -0400

He's angry because now he is in charge of the lazy ass Specialists and below that he used to run with. Now he has to take hold of that responsibility and try to get those he was on the same level with to respect his new authority not think that "hey, we were buds when you were a 4 now you got your 5 I know you gonna look out for me, right sarge?"

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Aug 29 at 2015 2:22 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Sat, 29 Aug 2015 14:22:34 -0400

Angry leadership style?

Response by SFC Joseph Weber made Aug 30 at 2015 3:11 AM

SFC Joseph Weber — Sun, 30 Aug 2015 03:11:07 -0400

This was covered in another post. It's the Sp4 Mafia. From a former member I say congratulations SPC James Burkett II !!

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 2 at 2015 7:18 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 Sep 2015 07:18:04 -0400

-just got promoted this week-
Its not tha we're mad. Its that we have to break the pattern of familiarity to achieve results and to change the way the younger enlisted soldiers view you.
Personal thought though.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 17 at 2015 2:48 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 Sep 2015 02:48:23 -0400

I believe that it is realized that it is just time to go to work.

Response by SSgt Terry P. made Sep 19 at 2015 12:49 PM

SSgt Terry P. — Sat, 19 Sep 2015 12:49:17 -0400

Because they get crap from both directions.