2LT Private RallyPoint Member 3905122 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>A little background about me I&#39;m prior service Quartermaster (92W) and I branched Infantry/AG at OCS. I am going to attempt my best to pass the 5 mile at a 8 minute pace. However, I am 33 years old, with a bad knee and in 5 years in the Army I have never been able to break the 8 minute pace for a mile.<br /><br />So my question is, if I fail IBOLC what will most likely happen to me?<br /><br />UPDATE:<br /><br />So I am going to unfollow this post and this will probably be the last time I check this forum/post. So I just wanted to post an update. I&#39;m still awaiting my class date and I am still unsure whether I will pass the 5 mile run or not. There are a few notes that I like to make before I move on:<br /><br />Notes to Responses:<br /><br />Some of you have assumed that I chose Infantry as a branch knowing my physical limitations. I did not, I was forced branched into it. My cadre at OCS knew of my physical issues, as all of it is documented with the Army. My knee issues, my loose skin on my stomach and suffering from astigmatism in one eye. I know Infantry will present issues, I cannot shot well and I can&#39;t run to save my life. As a Quartermaster it was all about my work ethic, willingness to accept responsibility and mastering my field. Being a Quartermaster played to my strengths, while Infantry depends on areas I am physically deficient in.<br /><br />Some of you have assumed that I can just change, I cannot. My options are to try to pass IBOLC or be chaptered as an academic failure. Also as a branch detailed Officer, I am unable to transfer into Quartermaster. Just to note, I did not want AG either.<br /><br />Some of you have offered support and I thank you for that. Know that I am not a person who is always negative about themselves. During my time as enlisted I went from having no degree/no college credit to having a Master&#39;s in two years time, all while on Active Duty. I was told that was impossible by pretty much everyone and I did it. The same people who told me that it was impossible would later ask me for help in their academic pursuits. At 33 I know what I am capable of and my physical limitations.<br /><br />Personal Note:<br /><br />Going Infantry defeats the main purpose of why I wanted to be an Officer. As stated before I feel that most Officers should have to serve some enlisted time in the branch they want, learn the basics and move up. I can look at an E1 to E5 Quartermaster and tell them that I know what they are going through. Because I been there, I have done their job and faced their challenges. Challenges from their work to simply trying to make points for promotion. As for Infantry, I cannot really relate to what an enlisted Infantryman is going through and I won&#39;t pretend to. I believed my intentions to be honorable and worthy of note, the OCS Commandant/Cadre believed differently.<br /><br />Again thank you to all of those who showed me support and wished me well. I will try my best to pass IBOLC. 2018-08-23T20:04:36-04:00 2LT Private RallyPoint Member 3905122

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>A little background about me I&#39;m prior service Quartermaster (92W) and I branched Infantry/AG at OCS. I am going to attempt my best to pass the 5 mile at a 8 minute pace. However, I am 33 years old, with a bad knee and in 5 years in the Army I have never been able to break the 8 minute pace for a mile.<br /><br />So my question is, if I fail IBOLC what will most likely happen to me?<br /><br />UPDATE:<br /><br />So I am going to unfollow this post and this will probably be the last time I check this forum/post. So I just wanted to post an update. I&#39;m still awaiting my class date and I am still unsure whether I will pass the 5 mile run or not. There are a few notes that I like to make before I move on:<br /><br />Notes to Responses:<br /><br />Some of you have assumed that I chose Infantry as a branch knowing my physical limitations. I did not, I was forced branched into it. My cadre at OCS knew of my physical issues, as all of it is documented with the Army. My knee issues, my loose skin on my stomach and suffering from astigmatism in one eye. I know Infantry will present issues, I cannot shot well and I can&#39;t run to save my life. As a Quartermaster it was all about my work ethic, willingness to accept responsibility and mastering my field. Being a Quartermaster played to my strengths, while Infantry depends on areas I am physically deficient in.<br /><br />Some of you have assumed that I can just change, I cannot. My options are to try to pass IBOLC or be chaptered as an academic failure. Also as a branch detailed Officer, I am unable to transfer into Quartermaster. Just to note, I did not want AG either.<br /><br />Some of you have offered support and I thank you for that. Know that I am not a person who is always negative about themselves. During my time as enlisted I went from having no degree/no college credit to having a Master&#39;s in two years time, all while on Active Duty. I was told that was impossible by pretty much everyone and I did it. The same people who told me that it was impossible would later ask me for help in their academic pursuits. At 33 I know what I am capable of and my physical limitations.<br /><br />Personal Note:<br /><br />Going Infantry defeats the main purpose of why I wanted to be an Officer. As stated before I feel that most Officers should have to serve some enlisted time in the branch they want, learn the basics and move up. I can look at an E1 to E5 Quartermaster and tell them that I know what they are going through. Because I been there, I have done their job and faced their challenges. Challenges from their work to simply trying to make points for promotion. As for Infantry, I cannot really relate to what an enlisted Infantryman is going through and I won&#39;t pretend to. I believed my intentions to be honorable and worthy of note, the OCS Commandant/Cadre believed differently.<br /><br />Again thank you to all of those who showed me support and wished me well. I will try my best to pass IBOLC.

2018-08-23T20:04:36-04:00 2018-08-23T20:04:36-04:00 LTC Private RallyPoint Member 3905134

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Are you in the Guard?

2018-08-23T20:09:03-04:00 2018-08-23T20:09:03-04:00 CSM Charles Hayden 3905146

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>IBLOC will be a great place to see the practice and training you are going to PAY OFF!

2018-08-23T20:12:46-04:00 2018-08-23T20:12:46-04:00 LTC Private RallyPoint Member 3905156

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The reason I ask is because when I was there back in the day (IOBC) we had a dude who was a hard no-go in a mandatory block of training and they allowed him to go back to his unit and left it up to his battalion commander to “pass” him.

2018-08-23T20:17:29-04:00 2018-08-23T20:17:29-04:00 MAJ Byron Oyler 3905263

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Have you asked your cadre?

2018-08-23T21:05:14-04:00 2018-08-23T21:05:14-04:00 SPC Erich Guenther 3905326

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Your really going to feel Infantry above age 50, trust me on that (heh.........ouch!).

2018-08-23T21:29:42-04:00 2018-08-23T21:29:42-04:00 LTC Private RallyPoint Member 3905334

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Go visit Kelly Hill. That should motivate you to run that 5 mile distance. This is one trial out of a long road of them. It&#39;s gut it out or get a different branch.

2018-08-23T21:31:49-04:00 2018-08-23T21:31:49-04:00 CPT Private RallyPoint Member 3905547

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Dont fail it, simple as that.

2018-08-23T22:52:09-04:00 2018-08-23T22:52:09-04:00 CPL Douglas Chrysler 3905603

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Wish I could tell you, but times and regs have changed since my time. However, if you have enough days before the test, dissolve one envelop of Knox Gelatin in 8 to 10 ounces of hot water then drink when it&#39;s cooled enough so you don&#39;t skald yourself. If you can do this every day for at least a couple of weeks your knee should make it. A month would be even better. As far as your pace, you&#39;re on your own.

2018-08-23T23:11:16-04:00 2018-08-23T23:11:16-04:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 3905619

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>as far as what happens to you, I&#39;d imagine the Army wouldn&#39;t waste the money it invested in you and would transfer you branches. I am by no means an expert, but, it&#39;s not like the army doesn&#39;t already do that on the enlisted side of the house (via AIT). <br /><br />I would however recommend you ask your instructors in charge on the possible outcomes. I&#39;m pretty confident they&#39;ll have a more on point answer for you.

2018-08-23T23:21:25-04:00 2018-08-23T23:21:25-04:00 LTC Doug Fenwick 3905622

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This is your first leader decision. Do you gut it out and use tricks to pass and really end up being unqualified unless you do all the same techniques all your career and risk you life and those of you platoon. Do do you accept reality and go to a branch where you are qualified.

2018-08-23T23:24:59-04:00 2018-08-23T23:24:59-04:00 2LT Private RallyPoint Member 3905875

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I am Active Duty and was 5 years prior Enlisted Active Duty. As for the branch I did not choose it, I submitted a branch packet to go back in as a Quartermaster, of which I was told it was denied.<br /><br />I don&#39;t lack motivation, trust me without getting to personal I have plenty of motivation.

2018-08-24T04:13:59-04:00 2018-08-24T04:13:59-04:00 MSG Dan Castaneda 3906261

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If you can’t pass the 5 mile run there your definitely not going to pass it at Ranger school. id consider a new MOS. An Infantry Lieutenant without a Tanger tab? Not going very far.

2018-08-24T08:23:36-04:00 2018-08-24T08:23:36-04:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 3906538

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Don’t fail continue on

2018-08-24T10:30:40-04:00 2018-08-24T10:30:40-04:00 CPT Lawrence Cable 3906630

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>My experience from the old IOBC is that the school will make sure you have plenty of time to train up to the task. You don&#39;t have to pass that the first day (do they keep you from graduating if you fail? Ranger School is not a requirement to Commission) and you will get plenty of chances to improve your run speeds and rucking speeds.

2018-08-24T11:03:44-04:00 2018-08-24T11:03:44-04:00 SGM Bill Frazer 3906890

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Either chaptered, or MOS/Branch for the good of the Service.

2018-08-24T12:51:27-04:00 2018-08-24T12:51:27-04:00 1LT Private RallyPoint Member 3907853

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The 5 mile is a graduation requirement. I had a friend who couldn&#39;t pass it and was force re-branched. We had a similar issue with several armor guys who couldn&#39;t pass mandatory requirements, or certain physicals. They were forced to re-branch as well.

2018-08-24T18:42:31-04:00 2018-08-24T18:42:31-04:00 SPC Michael Dillon 3908257

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION

2018-08-24T22:09:12-04:00 2018-08-24T22:09:12-04:00 GySgt Private RallyPoint Member 3908294

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If after 5 years you are feeling broken, are you going to be able to push through, lead, and set the example to young impressionable soldiers after 10 or 15 years? I think that you just need to change your goal. The goal is not 8 min miles, that is the minimum. Would you accept the minimum from your soldiers? I hope not. Not sure what kind of leaders you had or what kind of leadership examples you had as an enlisted man but as a leader, average doesn’t cut it in this business. You need to aim higher and set goals and timelines for your success. Work so hard that failure isn’t an option. Work so hard that you do not allow yourself to feel self pitty because you have worked so hard and achieved your goal. Work hard, believe in yourself, than work a little harder. That is the recipe for success.

2018-08-24T22:39:13-04:00 2018-08-24T22:39:13-04:00 CPT Private RallyPoint Member 3915489

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Failure isn’t an option

2018-08-27T15:47:34-04:00 2018-08-27T15:47:34-04:00 Sgt Dale Briggs 3933291

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I guess your in a spot where you do the best that you can do, and it seems a bit strange to force you into an infantry slot you don&#39;t want. Especially given your age and a bad knee. An 8 minute pace certinly isn&#39;t killer, but it could be given you&#39;ve never done that had your knee is a problem. Best of luck LT hoping it works out for you.

2018-09-03T08:50:51-04:00 2018-09-03T08:50:51-04:00 LTC Private RallyPoint Member 4052640

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I attended OCS at the age of 29. Being 10 years older than your peers has some unique advantages and disadvantages. If with less than 10 years of service you question your ability to graduate a basic level course due to physical capabilities I would reevaluate my long term professional and family goals in the military.

2018-10-17T09:36:36-04:00 2018-10-17T09:36:36-04:00 CPT Private RallyPoint Member 4067790

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Your question is &quot;what will happen to me&quot;. Probably the same thing that happens to everyone that fails a basic officer leadership course. <br />1. You&#39;ll get recycled.<br />2. You&#39;ll try again - and if you fail, they&#39;ll weigh the options and give you one - which will likely be a med-board.<br />You&#39;ve gotten yourself into a pickle. Why did you do this knowing that ALL BOLC courses have a standard 5 mile? Even signal has it. Same with rucking or PT.

2018-10-23T10:08:49-04:00 2018-10-23T10:08:49-04:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 4097336

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>So....why didn’t they branch you in the QM ? Wouldn’t that make sense ?

2018-11-03T13:40:02-04:00 2018-11-03T13:40:02-04:00 MAJ Ken Landgren 4102695

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>When I applied for OCS I ran quite a bit on my own.

2018-11-05T14:21:17-05:00 2018-11-05T14:21:17-05:00 2LT Private RallyPoint Member 4126694

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Take care of yourselves.

2018-11-14T12:47:35-05:00 2018-11-14T12:47:35-05:00 CPT Private RallyPoint Member 4213061

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If it&#39;s just the run you fail and you pass everything else they&#39;ll probably just graduate you but with a marginal mark on your 1059, which is not ideal but not the end of the world. Typically you&#39;ll be branch detailed for a couple years. If your receiving unit has leadership worth a damn they&#39;ll look at the situation and act accordingly. Maybe you&#39;ll do some non-deployed PL time then linger on staff until you go over to AG. I&#39;d suggest becoming familiar with your BN S1, perhaps you can get slotted there early. <br />Bottom line , don&#39;t just give up, do what you can, make sure they&#39;re aware of the situation. You&#39;ll be fine.

2018-12-16T13:59:52-05:00 2018-12-16T13:59:52-05:00 SPC Ray Orvin 4357951

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Failing puts you out. I was an ROTC grad got branched infantry and i was trying to stay as far from it as I could but like a young niave 23 yr old i went because hey! I signed a contract 2 yrs ealier. I had requested Armor, Artillary, and ADA. Anyway went to IOBC (not in the right mind set either) recycled 3 time once because of injury 2 time I gotten sick 3rd time because i just had enough of the hazing from cadre and the west pointer pukes. Adter a yr and 3 months of hanging out at Ft benning asking for rebranching which i was lied about or never taken seriously and even had a 1:1 meeting withJAG and Gen Earnst the commanding General of Ft Benning I was dismissed with a General discharge under honorable conditions. I latter found out my JAG officer was buddies with the general wich pissed me off because he was supposed to represent my intreast and failed to save his own career. So i got out worked in a jail for 8 months till I decided to reenlist medic because i had taken an EMT class and loved it. Well after 3 yrs in 82 as an E4 i was put out again. Ill save that story for another day. I got out got an AS in EMS and served as a paramedic for 14 years before going to RN school. Now i am a psy Nurse and making 75k just being an adult babysitter. So theres my IOBC story. If you want to hear my E4 medic story and how i went through a shitty COC with 3 different PSG whoo I wouldn’t pisson if they were on fire story let me know

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