What do you think of noncitizens voting in American elections?

2014-10-30T15:46:54-04:00

First of all, I hope I know the answer to this question, but one never knows, so I'm asking.

Today, in the "People's Republic of Maryland," this story broke: Non-citizens may be voting (http://www.wtop.com/46/3732751/Md-official-Noncitizens-may-be-voting). I believe it's a valid concern and something should be done to stop it.

What do you think?

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2014 3:48 PM

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I really don't see how anything else can be a viable answer.

Response by PO2 Steven Erickson made Oct 30 at 2014 3:49 PM

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No brainer, sir. No brainer... (But thanks for asking, since I live in the Socialist States of Illinois, where the Machine's motto is "Vote Early... Vote Often".)

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2014 4:03 PM

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It is a right of the citizens of this nation to vote. If you are not a citizen you should have no say in the forming/running of the government.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2014 4:11 PM

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How can an undocumented immigrant vote? This is one of the most senseless questions that is frequently a topic of discussion pertaining to immigration. Undocumented immigrants cannot obtain a social security number or drivers license in most states now. On top of this it is the responsibility of those at the pull sites to maintain the integrity of the vote. I have personally dealt with undocumented immigrants and know for a fact that they can't qualify for health care, drivers license, social security card, social security disability, social security insurance and while they may work illegally they still have taxes taken away with no return...I am an independent who believes in reality based on fact. People should not come here the wrong way whole at the same token comprehensive immigration reform with cooperation and a fair process from the host country is the only answer!

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2014 4:22 PM

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CW5 Private RallyPoint Member Hell NO! And anyone supporting voter fraud is being duplicitous. MSgt Bill Jones <--- really now? Who you work for? Propagate my behind.

Response by PO3 Thomas Murray made Oct 30 at 2014 4:23 PM

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With illegals voting and ballot boxes switching votes, I don't have a lot of hope for the upcoming elections.

Response by CPT Zachary Brooks made Oct 30 at 2014 4:57 PM

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I still support the Robert Heinlein method of citizenship, so that might not exactly apply here.

Response by SSG Don Waggoner made Oct 30 at 2014 5:01 PM

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First of all, I hope that a CW5 is not falling for and perpetuating this crap/myth. If so, he shouldn't be a CW5. Non-citizens are not allowed to vote in any state in any election that I know of. That is not to say there may not be the odd (1 or 2) who are able to sneak in and do so, or who are mistaken about their citizenship status. Citizenship status is difficult to check, but is not a very big issue. The concern, just like other alleged voting fraud, is extremely minimal and should not be of concern generally. This is right wing/Koch brothers/Fox News tripe, and is way too influential in today's military in my opinion. Leadership is supposed to educate against such myths and not perpetuate them. And a CW5 calling it the "People's Republic of Maryland" on a public forum is conduct unbecoming in my mind. Even the plaintiff's attorney in this case dropped the case because he knew it had no merit.

Response by PO1 Walter Duncan made Oct 30 at 2014 5:34 PM

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This is a no brainer, but apparently there are a lot of no brainers out there. Along with the ones who do not want you to have ID to prove who you are. What? It is not taking away the rights of anyone by asking for ID. Really? Some of the craziest things can be heard. I know there are millions of undocumented people in the country, why is so hard to fix the boarder first then the ones that have been here can work on their citizenship. But, until it is fixed, it is like a broken damn wherever the opening is smallest they flow faster, but they will not stop. State votes have their own rules and national votes have their own, some are just weird. Look into them. It will blow your mind in some places. Wow!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2014 5:38 PM

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It's a sad day when this unfortunately becomes a legitimate question...

Response by SSgt Sean Horgan made Oct 30 at 2014 5:40 PM

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US Citizenship is a federal issue. If someone legally lives and pays taxes in a state, they should be allowed to vote on local issues. No taxation without proper representation.

Response by Maj Chris Nelson made Oct 30 at 2014 5:51 PM

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I am not allowed to vote in Canada, Mexico, Germany, or any other country (as far as I know). Why should THEY be allowed to vote here?? They should not be. Simple as that. IF they want to vote, they can enter the country legally, apply for citizenship, meet all the requirements, then get a job and start paying taxes. Once citizenship is confirred on them, they may vote.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2014 6:00 PM

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I believe that US citizens should vote and voting should be extended to people that pay taxes in this country, only because if you are contributing to the country, I think you should have a say on who the people you're contributing to or how you should be governed. Just my two cents.

Response by MSG Brad Sand made Oct 30 at 2014 5:58 PM

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Non-citizens are non-citizens. A non-citizen voting is a crime but why would we expect or want the law enforced?

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2014 6:32 PM

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it seems there are quite a few trying and there seems to be a concerted effort by some D "organizers" to get the illegals to the polls.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/391474/non-citizens-are-voting-john-fund

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/10/29/massive-non-citizen-voting-uncovered-in-maryland/

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2014 6:45 PM

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It is one of the only differences between being a citizen and a non-citizen, beside obligations such as jury duty.

Response by MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca made Oct 30 at 2014 6:46 PM

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We earn that right. It should not be handed out to people who have a "give me sanctuary" agenda.

Response by PO2 Brian Lathe made Oct 30 at 2014 6:48 PM

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I believe that only US citizens should vote WITH a valid photo ID. In the most recent election in Minnesota, there were 25,000 more votes cast than registered voters in the entire state. Mississippi being the poorest state in the country, studies show that less than 2000 do not have an ID.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2014 8:07 PM

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If an individual is not a citizen of the country they are currently in, whether residing or visiting, then they are not allowed to vote. The Constitution states in the Preamble "We the People OF the United States..." It does not say IN but OF. This quantifies the legal status of each person who so chooses to participate in the culture of the United States. This status is encompassed with being a citizen whose rights and privileges are greater than those who come to the country temporarily. One of these rights and privileges is being able to vote. A person who is in the country illegally or just visiting does not have the right to vote.

This status of rights and privileges in further ensconced within Article IV, Section 2 of the Constitution stating "The CITIZENS of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several states."

It is further ensconced and specifically set forth within FIVE Amendments:
the 14th Amendment, Section 2, Sentence 2 - "But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and CITIZENS of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male CITIZENS shall bear to the whole number of male CITIZENS twenty-one years of age in such State.”;
the 15th Amendment, Section 1 - “The right of CITIZENS of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.”;
the 19th Amendment - “The right of CITIZENS of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.”;
the 24th Amendment, Section 1, “The right of CITIZENS of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.”;
the 26th Amendment, Section 1, “The right of CITIZENS of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.”

In each case, only citizens, regardless of skin color, race, gender, or age, are allowed to vote.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2014 8:31 PM

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Citizens only.

Response by SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS made Oct 30 at 2014 8:37 PM

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CW5 Private RallyPoint Member I believe only US Citizens should be allowed to vote. As a citizen we earn that privilege. I say privilege for if you commit a felony, renounce your citizenship, or become convicted of perjury to name a few, that privilege is stripped. Illegal re entry into the US is a felony (at some point) and this means NO VOTE.

Why should someone who is not a citizen have the right to vote?

While I agree "Undocumented immigrants" are people, the right to vote is not the same as being respected as a person or individual. Provide respect, and if the undocumented immigrant wishes to vote have them become documented as a citizen and earn the right to vote.

Our right to vote is a sacred duty for all citizens. I will vote as often as the poles are open.

Response by Cpl Dennis F. made Oct 30 at 2014 9:36 PM

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I can't believe that I am reading this.

Response by Cpl Dennis F. made Oct 30 at 2014 9:39 PM

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If as this article points out, these people are opting out of jury duty (cherry picking rights and obligations) because they are non citizens and then attempting to vote, they should be prosecuted for voter fraud or what ever they can be dragged into court on, and then......deported. I feel like I am living in the superman comics bizzaro world any more!
Idiotocracy here we come/

Response by SSG Ron Archer made Oct 30 at 2014 9:57 PM

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As in most countries a valid ID should be required to vote providing proof of citizenship. An ID can be provided at any local or state facility capable of producing an ID for free; provided you supply the proper documents ( birth certificate, counselor report of birth, ect)

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2014 10:03 PM

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The US Constitution explicitly states that CITIZENS of the United States have the right to vote in our elections. CITIZENS... That doesn't mean "undocumented immigrants" or people here on visas or green cards... it means CITIZENS. There's a big difference between a citizen and a resident too.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 31 at 2014 1:23 AM

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I strongly feel you have to present valid government ID to vote.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 31 at 2014 5:10 AM

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I think that it's reasonable for LEGAL Permanent Residents to have some capacity to vote.

Response by SSG Jason Cherry made Oct 31 at 2014 5:27 AM

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If you aren't a citizen, you shouldn't have a say. If you want a voice, fulfill the requirements, then by all means speak up! Even if you are a democrat haha

Response by SPC James Mcneil made Oct 31 at 2014 6:59 AM

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Voting in US elections is for US citizens. I seriously doubt US citizens could go to other countries and vote there, so why should they be allowed to vote here?

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 31 at 2014 7:29 AM

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If you are not a citizen you do not pay taxes into this country. Onc they are legally able to live in the states, then they should be able to vote.

Response by MSgt Robert Gardner made Oct 31 at 2014 8:05 AM

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are you kidding me if these undocumented immigrants want to vote go BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY---- AND THESE PEOPLE THE 5% WHERE IN THE HELL ARE YOU PEOPLE COMING FROM

Response by CPO William E. Mahoney made Oct 31 at 2014 3:05 PM

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The none documented immigrants shouldn't receive any special treat nor should they be given the right to vote if they want to they should have entered the USA the correct way.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 31 at 2014 3:07 PM

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How about this: citizens of each country who currently entertain a U.S. presence should be allowed to vote in our elections?

Too trolling?

Obviously, non-citizens do not vote in federal elections... however that doesn't mean that a State cannot allow those individuals to vote in State elections.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 31 at 2014 3:13 PM

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With regards to the OP's link:

"They say their allegation is based on a comparison of voter registration records and lists of people excused from jury duty because they declared they were not U.S. citizens."

That's an argument that doesn't lead you to the conclusion, as it doesn't make a quantifiable claim. For example, we assume that Person A claims to be a citizen to vote when he is not; but we do not assume that Person A claims to not be a citizen for jury duty, when in fact he is.

Essentially, the allegation is not actually supported by quantifiable evidence, just a "feeling" that it might be occurring.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 31 at 2014 3:19 PM

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Voting non- citizens don't aren't affected like us citizens. If they want to vote they need to go to proper channels to make sure they have the right to make decisions that affect OUR government.

Response by SGT Frank Leonardo made Oct 31 at 2014 3:24 PM

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and that is it!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 31 at 2014 3:26 PM

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The constitution and subsequent amendments grant the right to vote to those with citizenship. Therefore, non-citizens should not be allowed to vote. Moreover, efforts should be made to ensure that they DON'T vote.

Response by Sgt Alvin P. Liendo "Tanto" made Oct 31 at 2014 4:40 PM

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Become documented, then you can vote.

Response by SSG Tim Everett made Oct 31 at 2014 4:42 PM

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I'm only voting to see if anyone's actually voted for the allow illegal immigrants to vote option. Naturally I support the notion that we uphold the rule of law, and support common sense.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 31 at 2014 5:14 PM

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Only citizens should be allowed to vote for federal and state positions, for local elections all can vote.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 31 at 2014 7:09 PM

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CW5 Montgomery--I really don't think many people have the true picture of the history of American politics--it wasn't that long ago in the south when campaigns gave winos a bottle for vote and bused them to the polls--you can bet many got more than one bottle. The history of politics all the way back to pre-Washington is ugly. My good friend', Col (Ret) Al Patterson III,...his grandfather was assassinated in Phenix City, AL running for office on a platform to clean up crime and corruption (Phenix is near Ft Benning. Ga); they gunned him down in the streets. Perhaps you recall the movie about it: The Night of Phenix City....Al's father, AL P the second ran for gov in his place and was elected the youngest gov in Ala history; the only man to beat George Wallace in an election (Wallace has a famous quote about that)--Patterson ended up as an Appeals Court judge.

Al III hasn't decided to run...While Democracy is a wonderful concept, we are in fact, a Republic organized around democratic principles. Some people will do anything to get elected--and they would do that anywhere in the world. Absentee ballots get lost, don't get counted, it happens. And yet our system seems to work better than most!

Response by PO1 Michael Fullmer made Oct 31 at 2014 7:18 PM

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...and even those individuals should & must be required to provide a photo I.D. or they don't vote.

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Oct 31 at 2014 11:38 PM

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My wife (of 5 days) is Japanese. I have such a hard time trying to explain to her how our government works. I am an American. I am still trying to figure it out.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 1 at 2014 12:13 AM

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"Rights" are NOT universal. Voting itself - while a "right" - can also be interpreted as a privilege, as the right to vote can be revoked (i.e. felons). Non-citizens should have no say whatsoever as to what goes on in our country, especially if they're being promised amnesty, welfare, etc. They have no vested interest in our country, other than what Uncle Sam can do for them.

Response by SSG Maurice P. made Nov 1 at 2014 12:17 AM

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ANYBODY CAN.......... YOU SMELL THAT SMELL ITS ALL AROUND YOU..................ITS THE SMELL OF DECAY OF ROT AS WE AS A PEOPLE AND COUNTRY ARE SPIRALING DOWN OUT OF CONTROL.................WE ARE SO BIG AND DIVERSE THAT WE DON'T GIVE A F K ANYMORE WE 'VE BEEN TOO DESENITIZED TO CARE................

Response by SPC(P) Jay Heenan made Nov 1 at 2014 12:51 AM

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Ummm, 'non-citizens' means not American, means not able to vote. Shouldn't it be that easy?

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 1 at 2014 2:59 AM

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I can't believe that is even possible. We don't let citizens of Puerto Rico vote who want to. So why would other noncitizens be authorized.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 1 at 2014 3:33 AM

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Voting is one of our most sacred privileges as a citizen. There is no reason we should let anyone who is not completely 100% invested in our nation and our ideals influence the path of our country. That sets a dangerous precedence for undue outside influences catastrophically altering our policy and stance on world interaction by any agency savvy and fiscally powerful enough to take advantage if this as a vulnerability (like say China).

Response by SN Brian Riter made Nov 1 at 2014 4:16 AM

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if they came here legally and did the process then ok if not then no

Response by SSgt Thomas A Tullis Jr made Nov 1 at 2014 8:27 AM

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NON-citizens don't have the right to vote. Citizenship gives one the right.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 1 at 2014 10:39 AM

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Unfortunately it is much too easy for illegal immigrants and non-citizens to vote in the country. State or federally controlled ID should be required to vote.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 1 at 2014 11:10 AM

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If you're not a citizen, then you don't vote. None of us ever voted in any foreign country we were stationed in...other than a mail in ballot for a US Election.

Response by SCPO Sonny Sleichter made Nov 1 at 2014 12:52 PM

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They are people of another country, not permitted to vote in US elections.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 1 at 2014 1:13 PM

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Voting is a fundamental right of a citizen. If you're not a citizen, I'm sorry, but you should have NO say in how our country is run.

Response by SFC William "Bill" Moore made Nov 1 at 2014 4:01 PM

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Only an idiot would allow ILLEGAL ALIENS to vote!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 1 at 2014 4:59 PM

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Quote me if I am wrong we have the only country that Green card holders (Permanent residents) have pretty much the same rights as a US Citizens minus the fact that US citizens can run to be the president. I also know that Permanent residents get so complacent and do not bother becoming citizens. If you do not want to become a US Citizen you might as well leave our country.

Response by SA Harold Hansmann made Nov 1 at 2014 5:30 PM

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NOT IN MY COUNTRY!!! If you aren't a citizen you have zero rights to vote.

Response by SSgt Gregory Gardner made Nov 1 at 2014 6:02 PM

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Everyone voting must be required to show two forms of identification and only members of the military and folks in the nursing homes should be sent absent ballots.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 1 at 2014 6:18 PM

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The right to vote in America is EXACTLY that a RIGHT. It is one that has been bought, paid for, and secured by CITIZENS of this Country who have taken an oath to defend this Country, Uphold the Law and Obey the Orders of the POTUS. People who have helped build, shape and CONTRIBUTE to the welfare and prosperity of the nation. I cannot support those who live here and an have an impact on the who is to serve in leadership without them making the effort to become citizens and EARN that right by contributing. Perhaps that may be tolerated in their native land, but America has become great because Her CITIZENS joining together and making some form of contribution. I welcome those who chose to live here, but I EXPECT them to contribute rather than just go after what may be denied to those who are born here.

Response by LCpl Ed Mcgonigal made Nov 1 at 2014 6:32 PM

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I cant go to their home country and vote

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Nov 2 at 2014 12:14 AM

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Allowing undocumented humans to vote in elections sounds like a ploy by democrats to get their man or woman in office so they can destroy America a little more. Voting is for Americans, not non citizens.

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Nov 2 at 2014 12:16 AM

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Let's take it up a notch, you can only vote if you are or have served in the military and in order to be a citizen, military service or another type of civil service is required.

Response by Sgt Packy Flickinger made Nov 2 at 2014 5:37 AM

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The only people the non-citizens (illegals) vote for are candidates who offer the largest amount of handouts. As far as I know, we are the only country on the planet who has such a liberal policy twards non citizens. It disgusts me. If we tried to go to South America and protest for rights, we'd be shot.

It also disgusts me that the dead are aparently alowed to vote also.

Response by MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca made Nov 2 at 2014 6:50 AM

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I try not to think of it because it shouldn't be happening.

Response by SCPO Albert Lee Smith made Nov 2 at 2014 11:19 AM

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If you're going to vote in our Nation's elections, you should be a citizen of our Nation. If I'm visiting Mexico, or working there, can I vote for their elections? Nope. How is it that Mexico has a stiffer regulation on this than we do?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 2 at 2014 1:09 PM

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I am sorry if I offend anyone. I have no problem with immigrants, so long as they come to the states legally.

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 2 at 2014 1:18 PM

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I'm surprised that one percent of voters think undocumented immigrants should be allowed to vote. I've heard the argument about undocumented immigrants paying taxes, but I don't buy it, personally. I have thought for a long time that we can carry some things too far, and this is one of those things -- the "rights" of people who are in our country illegally. I wonder what the logical end result of that train of thought might be. Run for "local" political office as an illegal alien? Brutal.

Response by SGT Steven Montgomery made Nov 2 at 2014 2:27 PM

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US Citizens only in my opinion.

Response by A1C Kenneth Crocker made Nov 2 at 2014 2:50 PM

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only us citizens should have a say in us policy period there is no room for debate on this matter

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 2 at 2014 4:11 PM

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not only should they not vote but being undocumented and showing up to vote should be an open invitation for deportation. Why are they undocumented, there are millions trying to get here legally, why should we give the illegals anything but a one-way bus ticket to whatever country they came from.

Response by SGT Steve Oakes made Nov 2 at 2014 9:11 PM

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No citizenship no vote! I also think you should have to show Valid Government issued ID. If you are not engaged enough in society to obtain a ID. Then you are engaged enough to make an informed choice on who and what to vote for.

Response by SPC Mickey Bennett made Nov 3 at 2014 12:02 AM

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Honestly, what is the point of having any rules at all, if when it comes to ACTUALLY ENFORCING THEM, you're treated like you're the Devil incarnate? It's easy to say "Undocumented immigrants are people too; let them vote" when you don't consider having some sort of mechanism to ensure the integrity of the process. Let's look at it this way: If a platoon sized element of immigrants were to walk in your house, start eating your food, and otherwise claiming your home for themselves, how would you feel if someone said to you, "undocumented immigrants are people too, let them take over your home, and if you don't agree to that, you're a RACIST?" Bottom line: it's an issue of showing some good old fashioned respect and having some manners and being a "good house guest" until you get your own place, and like it or not, the integrity of the process in which we govern needs to trump PC induced effeminate BUTTHURT!

Response by 1LT William Clardy made Nov 3 at 2014 7:08 AM

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CW5 Private RallyPoint Member, Registration Director Wagner is just being exceptionally candid about the minimal checks in almost all registrar's offices.

There are sound legal and philosophical reasons for basing voter registration on a presumption that residency is equivalent to citizenship, and those reasons trace back to a very familiar line in the Declaration of Independence: "Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed." In legal terms, that used to mean that any person physically within the United States was presumed to be a legal citizen and the legal burden of proof lay with anybody challenging that presumption -- after all, if the government's sovereignty derived from the collective consent of the citizenry, the government should have severely constrained power to disavow the citizenship of a native resident.

Please do not mistake this as an argument against requiring voters to identify themselves. Requiring prospective voters to make the minimal preparations for voting of registering in advance and carrying some form of identification to show that they are who they claim to be are nothing at all like requiring you to document your citizenship just to vote (or get a job -- a whole 'nother grumble of mine).

Also, given the common practice of using voter registration records for selecting candidates for jury duty, it would seem very reasonable to require the courts to notify the registrars when somebody who has registered to vote has explicitly disavowed his or her citizenship to avoid jury duty. After all, that's just taking the self-identified non-citizen at his or her sworn word.

Response by PO1 Eric Corralejo made Nov 3 at 2014 8:46 AM

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How many American Citizens are going to vote? Pew the people that study this say maybe 30%. Maybe letting illegals vote will get citizens out voting again. How many of the Military community are going to be voting?

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2014 1:58 PM

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i have no problem with someone wanting to be an american but they need to be here legaly or be booted out. with that being said of course i do not think that they should be able to vote as they are not citizens and they do not contribute in any way to our government or society. if you want a say in our government become legal and pay taxes like the rest of us, or go home.

Response by SSG Christopher Parrish made Nov 3 at 2014 2:24 PM

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The vote is a right that is only guaranteed to citizens. If someone who immigrates here and does not take enough stake in this country to become a citizen they should not get to partake in the process to determine the future of this nation.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2014 3:15 PM

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Don't let them vote. To vote for our officials you have to know our issues. Not just voting for the person that will give you the most handouts.

Response by MSgt Michael Sterling made Nov 3 at 2014 4:05 PM

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While I agree that this country needs to limit who can vote we need to look at the big picture of who can, can not and should not vote. Most of the discussion has been about just illegal aliens who are in the country. What about the foreign families that come to this country and stay just long enough to have their baby and leave with a child that is a citizen. When that child grows up they can return and vote, at some point in time that will become a problem.

And to further add to this conversation, while we are being so high and mighty about who votes in this country. What percentage of the registered voters who have the privilege of voting bothers to vote. Maybe what we need is some outside influence to wake up the people in this country to the need to vote while we still have a country that we can call ours.

If we had a national vote right now do you think English would be the national language? I think it would close.

Unfortunately we have become a culture of let the other person do it, then complain about the out come. That includes voting. Maybe before we say who can and cannot vote we should get the privileged ones that can vote to vote, instead of crying about the condition the country is in.

Response by SGT James Hastings made Nov 3 at 2014 4:11 PM

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It is simply illegal.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2014 5:34 PM

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The Constitution with the applicable amendements is pretty clear that only US citizens over the age of 18 may vote in Federal elections. Foreigners, green card holders, illegal immigrants and US citizens under 18 years of age are ineligible to vote. Integrity in our election process ensures that the voice of the citizens of the United States is not lost

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2014 7:36 PM

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It is a right specifically addressed in the US Constitution as a right and a privilege for the US Citizen alone.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2014 7:37 PM

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I was born in Mexico to a US Citizen mother and a Mexican Citizen father. I started working as a lifeguard/swim instructor when I was a kid because I had a drive to make something of myself and to be able to afford what I wanted. I've been through college up to an Associates degree. I attained my citizenship for the sole purpose of having the right to vote after I joined the military. Voting is not a privilege that should be afforded to the lazy or to the ones with no desire or drive to at least partially conform to the standards of our society. It is a right given only to the citizens of this nation. If you want to have a say in what goes on in OUR country, you must be a citizen of it first.

Response by PFC James Massey made Nov 4 at 2014 4:00 AM

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Voting is a lot like working in this country. Only certain people with certain values/morals/ethics seem to participate in both. Even the lazy freeloaders are not rushing to the poles to secure their next meal ticket. Illegals seem to be a major concern in every state, and as obama continues to venture towards permanent amnesty for illegals and the SCOTUS keeps knocking down state laws that demand ID to vote, there is no telling how many illegals will vote or how much they will impact the states they are residing/hiding in.

Response by SPC Travis Grizzard made Nov 4 at 2014 4:01 AM

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If they are not citizens, that is fraud and they should go to prison and be deported.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 5 at 2014 3:05 AM

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If you're not a citizen then I don't see why you feel you have the right to vote and each state has passed laws against non-citizens voting. However I feel Voter ID laws that have been implemented over the last few years are not targeting illegal voters, but are targeting minority and young voters. Voter suppression is a bigger issue and regardless of circumstance, if you are a citizen of this country you should be allowed to vote. Voting laws should be permissive for all citizens not restricted to some. I understand the need to protect the "right to vote" against non-citizens, but not at the cost of suppressing ALL or “certain” citizen’s right to vote.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 5 at 2014 6:01 AM

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I believe that legal immigrants should have the right to vote, especially those who are pursuing citizenship. Why make it that a group of people are having their lives decided for them, when they did everything right to enter the country?

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 8 at 2014 12:13 PM

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HELL NO! Non-citizens - ESPECIALLY illegals - should not have a voice in this government. PERIOD. Their only interest is who can get them what the fastest. Illegals do not assimilate into American culture; they stake out little microcosms of their own 3d-world digs, and expect everyone to kow-tow to them and their heritage. I grew up in El Paso, Tx. I've seen the "vested interest" non-citizens have in this country. Even if they hold green cards or some other type of visa, they're still NOT CITIZENS. They're "resident aliens". Until they make that oh-so-big leap to U.S. Citizen, then they can sit on their thumbs and diddle themselves until the elections are over.

Response by CSM Michael J. Uhlig made Nov 9 at 2014 7:18 PM

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The article did not go into a whole lot of detail......my problem is that a US Felon cannot vote but a foreign criminal can?

Totally against this thought process and it really sounds like a big ole stinky pile of Bull Butter!

Response by CMSgt James Nolan made Nov 9 at 2014 9:09 PM

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In Chicago, the old saying was "Vote Early, Vote Often"

Response by 1stSgt Albert Garza made Nov 10 at 2014 6:25 AM

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From a Homeland Security perspective, non-citizens who migrate, legally or illegally could influence political agendas supporting immigration issues, i.e., for instance non-citizens voting. Foreign countries seeking to influence our government could so subversively through non-citizen voting.

Response by Cpl David Schaffer made Nov 10 at 2014 7:25 PM

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If you are not a legal citizen you do not a voice in our political process. I will not and cannot go into your country and vote and you should not try to vote in my country.

Response by Maj Walter Kilar made Nov 10 at 2014 8:45 PM

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Sure. Why not? Let everyone vote--alive or dead! Hand out ballots with Halloween candy to all the kids. Bring ballots to kindergarten class and let the kiddos make slightly less of a mockery of our voting system.

This is really an issue in America? What the?

Response by CW4 Ray Montano made Nov 10 at 2014 11:17 PM

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You have to be a citizen to vote.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 11 at 2014 7:33 AM

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No.

Response by SFC Geedee Meadows made Nov 11 at 2014 4:20 PM

2014-11-11T16:20:31-05:00

Does it really matter the results are the same... the issues are tainted in every election. Votes are always emotional thus should be left for the individual's conscience.

Response by Cpl James O'Rawe made Nov 11 at 2014 4:39 PM

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First of all it is illegal for them to vote any govt. election. If they are caught they can be deported if DHS is allowed to do its job.

Response by SN Christopher Blaylock made Nov 11 at 2014 4:43 PM

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if you have not earned the right or born here or gone threw the LEGAL process of becoming a citizen then no. you do not get to vote.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 11 at 2014 6:23 PM

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Really!!!, This is what you care about!?! That a voting official admitted the possibility that a non-citizen might have gotten through the system!?! Forget the fact that, due to gerrymandering most people in the United States live under one party rule. That is because the districts are drawn so that one party is so heavily favored that no one not endorsed by that party will ever win a seat. Sometimes, the level of civic understanding in this country baffles the mind.

Response by SFC Benjamin Varlese made Nov 11 at 2014 7:53 PM

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Voting is a right for citizens, well-behaved ones who haven't committed felonies, one that most Americans don't deserve because they are too ignorant or irresponsible to choose our elected leaders. If these illegals, and I stress illegals because they broke the law when they violated our immigration and border protection laws, want to take part in our democratic process, they should immigrate here legally and become citizens.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 11 at 2014 9:05 PM

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Anyone who believes in law and order should find the answer relatively simple. Noncitizens don't have the right to vote in local, state and federal elections and should never be afforded the right to do so until they are naturalized. The whole thing about not requiring voter identification is nonsense. That is a setup for election fraud.

Response by PO3 Camille Romero made Nov 11 at 2014 10:16 PM

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Only U. S. citizens should be permitted to vote...ABSOLUTELY!
To do otherwise is inviting trouble!

Response by CPT Chris Loomis made Nov 12 at 2014 12:16 AM

2014-11-12T00:16:15-05:00

I think it's blasphemous. Voting is a right of citizenship. If you're here legally or illegally and you're NOT a US Citizen you have no business taking part in our process of government.

In fact, bluntly, if you're living here for any reason and you are NOT a US citizen then let me remind you of something: YOURE MERELY A GUEST. And you can and should be forced to leave anytime you become problematic....

I'll refrain from further standing upon my soap box now. Because this is a topic that I can shake my fist at all night long.

MOST IMPORTANLY: HAPPY VETERANS DAY TO ALL OF US-PAST AND PRESENT.

Response by PFC Steve Joy made Nov 12 at 2014 10:52 AM

2014-11-12T10:52:31-05:00

I believe that our current laws are sufficient. Only US citizens who are not felons, should be able to vote.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 12 at 2014 11:25 AM

2014-11-12T11:25:36-05:00

I read the article, and all I see are allegations of evidence with no actual evidence provided. Regardless, if you're not a citizen you have no right to have a voice in our nations electoral process.

Response by LCpl Jonathon Garza made Nov 12 at 2014 4:00 PM

2014-11-12T16:00:30-05:00

We arein a land that is supposed to be based on the people's opinion. In this same concern I believe it is important that those that are legal to vote should be the ones doing it.

Response by SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 12 at 2014 4:03 PM

2014-11-12T16:03:25-05:00

US legal residents, are paying taxes and part of our society, they should be able to vote

Response by SSG Mike Angelo made Nov 13 at 2014 2:06 PM

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I was a 2010 US Census enumerator. I interviewed and counted everybody in my area of responsibility. The Department of Commerce and the US Census organizations got this right and have been doing the right thing since the first US Census in 1790.

As it was then, still hold true today...

As compared to the issue of voting...if the person is an American citizen or peoples of America, as cited by the Alexander Hamilton papers of 1787, New York, working or not, his or her voice was bought with a price.

In Alexander's time, only land owners could vote.

America has come along way since then.

America needs to move forward and not backwards.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 27 at 2014 11:01 PM

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Obviously only U.S. citizens should be voting. I can't help but wonder why someone who isn't a US citizen would risk jail and deportation for something that in no way benefits them.

Response by Cpl Mark McMiller made Feb 26 at 2015 1:15 AM

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Anyone that allows illegals to vote, in my book, is guilty of treason.

Response by SSgt Tim Ricci made Mar 20 at 2015 1:27 PM

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Only U.S. citizens that are registered to vote! Also ID check, I am IDed everytime I vote in Arizona and have no problem with it! I think you can also use a current utility bill as proof but am not sure! Non Citizen have no right in helping make decisions concerning the US as we also have no right in other countries!

Response by CPL George Mann Jr made Mar 20 at 2015 1:56 PM

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All the more a good reason for voter ID. undocumented voting was ramp id in the last two presidential elections. That's why this emigration deal is so important to Obama, A five million member block of Democratic voters to lock in a Democratic dominance for years to come.

Response by LTC Stephen C. made Mar 22 at 2015 10:43 PM

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CW5 Private RallyPoint Member, only U.S. citizens should be voting.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 22 at 2015 10:59 PM

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Hell no!!!!!!

Response by Cpl Tou Lee Yang made Mar 23 at 2015 1:00 AM

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I don't know how other states does their voting. But in California, you need to register to vote via DMV. Once you are register to vote, you can go to the voting booth and vote by showing your ID/Driver's License. In Washington State, you register to vote the same way, however, they send you a ballot during voting season. You pick your candidate, as the voting ballot comes with a booklet about each candidate. Once you are done, you put it in the enveloped and sign your name. The signature has to match your signature on file or it will be returned.

So I don't know how an undocumented immigrants can possibly vote without first registering and presenting the documents necessary to validate their citizenship.

Response by LTC John Shaw made Mar 23 at 2015 5:28 PM

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What is the point of being a nation of laws, if we don't enforce our own borders and boundaries. Undocumented immigrants need to go through the naturalization process, everyone supports having a legal process for immigration.

Response by SPC Lee Burner made Mar 23 at 2015 5:36 PM

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Legal or illegal non citizens? In my opinion if you are serving in the U.S. Armed forces to gain a citizenship then maybe but part of the right of being a citizen is the right to vote. All these illegal immigrants abusing the election system by voting needs to be stopped. Illegal immigration is exactly that, "illegal." And they should not have the right to vote. They are already having a hand in destroying our education system and causing an overwhelming and unnecessary burden on our healthcare system as well. Let's not forget to mention the abuses non citizens cause on welfare as well. So no they do not deserve the right to vote!

Response by CW3 Jeffrey Foo made Mar 23 at 2015 5:57 PM

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I'm Whole Heartedly Against the Idea !!
If a law were to pass allowing Non-National People to vote.
Our Political System would be More of a joke than it is already.
Think about all the Make Believe, and Fictitious people that would suddenly be Created to gain more votes for what ever party Needed them, and were willing to CHEAT !!
There have already been allegations of parties using Dead Peoples Voter IDs to cast votes for themselves.

Response by SCPO David Lockwood made Mar 25 at 2015 9:16 AM

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Correct me if I'm wrong but it is a federal law that states you must be a citizen in order to vote. So how the hell can Maryland allow this to happen? BS!

Response by PO1 Glenn Boucher made Mar 25 at 2015 2:17 PM

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Voting is a right of legal citizens of the United States. I know for a fact that no foreign country is going to allow me to vote in their elections or for laws / bills to be voted on.
I have nothing against immigrants, legal or illegal, they need to do the right thing and become citizens if they want to vote on issues.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 28 at 2015 1:11 PM

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There's just no way a non USA person should be allowed to vote in our country. If they want to vote somewhere, they can go back to the country they are from and vote there.

Conservative ire hit fever pitch last fall when The Man Who Would Be King issued his royal edict granting legal status to millions of illegal immigrants, aka: future Democrat voters. Turns out conservative concerns regarding voter fraud and other illegalities in connection with Obama’s executive action were right on the money. Or the ballot box, as the case may be.

In news that should surprise no one, The Washington Times reports that President Obama’s temporary deportation amnesty “will make it easier for illegal immigrants to improperly register and vote in elections.” Testifying before Congress on Thursday, state elections officials say that the driver’s licenses and Social Security numbers illegals will be granted “create a major voting loophole.”

Wasn’t that the end game all along?

It is illegal for non-citizens to vote. But since when do those who enter the country illegally worry about complying with the law when it comes to voting? Although anyone registering to vote must attest s/he is a citizen, many illegal immigrants simply ignore that part – kind of like crossing the border illegally. And states lack the tools to weed them out.

Testifying before Congress on Thursday, Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted said mass registration drives via shopping malls, motor vehicle bureaus, curbside or other efforts often can’t or won’t differentiate between legal and illegal status of registrants, so illegal immigrants will still get through.

Kris W. Kobach, Kansas Secretary of State, also said some motor vehicle bureau workers automatically ask customers if they want to register to vote, and that some noncitizens have broken the law on that basis.

Last November, Obama announced executive action granting tentative legal status and work permits to nearly 4 million illegal immigrant parents whose children are either U.S. citizens or legal permanent residents. But wait. It gets better. Reports The Washington Times:

Republicans say there are a host of unintended consequences, including the chances of illegal voting, a perverse incentive created by Obamacare that would make newly legalized workers more attractive to some businesses than American workers and complications with the tax code.

The newly legalized workers can apply for back refunds from the IRS even for years when they didn’t file their taxes, agency Commissioner John Koskinen told Congress on Wednesday.

Both Koskinen and the secretaries of state who testified to the House Committee on oversight and Government Reform on Thursday said they never heard from President Lawless about potential consequences in advance of his policy changes.

That assumes, of course, that Obama could tear himself away from the links long enough to actually think through some of those pesky potential consequences.

Not to be outdone, Democrats immediately accused Republicans of “voter suppression.” Funny how minor details like the law and the Constitution only seem to matter to these folks when they’re trying to further their own agendas. Or recruit new Democrat voters. Or, in the case of The Man Who Would Be King, who seems to routinely ignore both whenever they represent an inconvenient detour on his road to lawlessness, continue his unilateral reign, unchecked.

In January, the House voted to defund President Obama’s executive action on immigration and roll back the 2012 Obama administration order on so-called “Dreamers,” which granted tentative legal status to children brought to the U.S. as illegal immigrants as well as work permits. Senate Democrats blocked the bill earlier this month.

Response by SGT Jeremiah B. made Mar 28 at 2015 1:16 PM

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Anyone encouraging non-citizens to vote is committing fraud. I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise on either side of the political spectrum.

Response by SGM David W. Carr LOM, DMSM MP SGT made Dec 8 at 2015 10:39 PM

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Hey should not be allowed to vote under and situations

Response by PO3 Sherry Thornburg made Aug 16 at 2017 10:40 PM

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