What do you think about dissolving the U.S. Military except what's necessary for U.N. peacekeeping?

2015-03-13T17:21:34-04:00

There exists a plan -- introduced to the United Nations by the United States State Department -- for dissolving the militaries of the world, including ours, except what is necessary for a UN peacekeeping force.

What are your thoughts on this?
Is this inevitable, or is this treason? Both, perhaps?
Would you serve in such a force, if our military were dissolved?

I realize that this was filed in 1961. Certainly anyone would expect any such plan to take decades, at least.

http://universalfreepress.com/traitorous-but-true-un-framework-document-for-us-subjugation-us-military-to-be-absorbed-into-un-peacekeepers-disbanded/#
https://archive.org/stream/FreedomFromWar/Freedom_From_War-Disarmament-1961-GOV
https://www.senate.gov/reference/reference_index_subjects/Publications_vrd.htm
http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/arms/freedom_war.html

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Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Mar 13 at 2015 5:30 PM

2015-03-13T17:30:07-04:00

It's against the Constitution.

We're required to maintain a Navy (Marines fall under this). We're not required to maintain an Army (raised when necessary, funded only in 2 year increments). Air Force & Coast Guard do not have Constitutional obligations, nor restrictions.

Response by LCDR Rabbah Rona Matlow made Mar 13 at 2015 5:43 PM

2015-03-13T17:43:15-04:00

While I am often troubled by our status as police force for the world, there is no way this would ever work. In addition to the Constitutional and Nationalist issues that might be raised, there is a huge security threat to this idea.

Why? Consider the UN Security Council. They continually sanction Israel, when she is the only Middle East democracy, and they do nothing about true terrorist states. The reality is that Israeli Arab citizens and even many Palestinians have a much better life than the average person in Saudi Arabia, Libya or any other Arab state. Some will argue that Iranian citizens are okay, but I'm not sure I agree.

In any case, with the UN being so controlled by a couple of Blocs, including the Former Soviet Bloc (including China), the Islamic Bloc (Arab states, Iran, Turkey) etc., it would be far too easy for a corrupt UN leader to conspire with these corrupt folks to take over other countries.

Without our standing military, and with the UN in control of all forces, we would cease to exist as a country, and end up either speaking Arabic, Russian or Chinese... I'd rather not learn those languages under compulsion, thank you very much...

Response by MSgt Manuel Diaz made Mar 13 at 2015 6:43 PM

2015-03-13T18:43:53-04:00

I believe the UN should be disbanded, unfunded and deported asap.

Response by CSM Michael J. Uhlig made Mar 13 at 2015 6:44 PM

2015-03-13T18:44:14-04:00

Wow, how the heck did you find this? No worries, this will not happen.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 14 at 2015 9:45 PM

2015-03-14T21:45:47-04:00

Covered this a while back: https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/are-you-aware-of-the-true-nature-of-our-government-s-agenda

"The document is genuine, but should be taken in context. The U.S. and the Soviet Union were looking for a formal approach to disarmament talks. They finally agreed that the U.N. could be helpful in this respect. The state department wrote this U.N. proposal which was introduced to the U.N. Quite, obviously,as the negotiations progressed, neither side decided that this particular plan was going to meet their needs, so both sides backed away from it. Fortunately, however, the discussions from this U.N. proposal paved the way for nuclear weapon treaties in the next 20 years. The document does not (as some claim) carry the weight of law and was not a goal of any administration in the past 25 years. Nowhere does the document refer to privately owned arms."

Response by MSgt Bj Jones made Mar 14 at 2015 9:59 PM

2015-03-14T21:59:32-04:00

The UN is the one that should be dissolved. It's not a good idea for the US to ever relinquish sovereignty nor agree to be subject under any other national power. If the UN, or any government, tries to disarm us, they'll have a massive fight on their hands. Some of us hold tight to our weapons and ammo.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 14 at 2015 10:01 PM

2015-03-14T22:01:23-04:00

I have a saying about Puerto Rican statehood. "You can't get the Puerto Ricans to agree on a time for lunch."
Now apply this to the world.
It'll never happen short of world war three, and honestly I'd be concerned about glowing in the dark and my kids having two heads than who's running the town much less the world.

Response by SrA Matthew Knight made Mar 15 at 2015 9:44 AM

2015-03-15T09:44:58-04:00

No way in Hell the U.S. is going to dissolve it's military branches. That would by far be the dumbest decision ever as I wouldn't trust the U.N. to protect an outhouse. As for working for the U.N. if it did happen, not a chance. I would move back to North Dakota where I belong and take up work there.

Response by Capt Richard I P. made Apr 23 at 2015 8:56 AM

2015-04-23T08:56:23-04:00

I'd call it impossible short of an external species-extinction threat. Unless united against such a threat we will remain disparate nations for the foreseeable future, and given that RealPolitik will rule.
As the Athenians said to the Melians:
"The strong do as they can and the weak suffer what they must."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melian_dialogue

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