What can I do to fight for a Soldier that busts tape 1 day shy of a 12 month period?

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 12 Apr 2022 19:22:31 -0400

Soldier was on ABCP and got off and has a knee injury but medical claims that it cannot hinder him from losing weight but he is on a permanent profile and can do only limited PRT. The AAA 168 says the Effective removal date of the flag was 2 March and he was taped after quarantine from COVID on the 1st of March a day shy of a year

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2022 7:39 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 12 Apr 2022 19:39:29 -0400

How much did they bust tape by? About the only thing you can do is work with the Soldier to lose the weight and inches to pass tape. The Commander is required to submit a packet for chapter once a Soldier fails twice in a 12 month period. Doesn't mean the Commander can't (try to) yank it back if the Soldier shows a passing tape prior to the packet being completely processed.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2022 9:57 PM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 12 Apr 2022 21:57:46 -0400

Medical isn't "claiming" anything, they are merely stating what AR 600-9 and science says.
Weight loss and body composition are much more about what you eat than what you do.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2022 10:20 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 12 Apr 2022 22:20:16 -0400

Not really much you can do. If they had a medical exemption from ABCP they would be safe, if not, they are required to meet the requirements of 600-8. Having a knee injury doesn’t stop your soldier from eating healthy and doing exercises that don’t hurt the knee more

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Apr 13 at 2022 6:25 AM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Wed, 13 Apr 2022 06:25:01 -0400

Profile, surgery, none of it is an excuse. There are literally thousands of Soldiers with medical issues not failing tape. The lesson learned for you is “the time to become concerned fornanSoldier health and welfare is always, not just when they are in jeopardy.

I am not blaming you for everything, but NCO’s are responsible for their Soldiers. Someone should have been monitoring this Soldier. Everyone knew he was due to be taped. He will a likely take his slumps on the outside, you need to have learned several lessons from this.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Apr 13 at 2022 12:08 PM

SGM Bill Frazer — Wed, 13 Apr 2022 12:08:13 -0400

Look it's good to try to help your troops- that's what NCO's are supposed to do. With that being said, you are constrained by the regulations, pretty sure, at least in my day, busting any tape counted as a Fail, regardless of when it was. Ultimately it's in the hands of your CO- you can help the SM plead his case to the CO and that's about all.

Response by SFC Kelly Fuerhoff made Apr 13 at 2022 1:53 PM

SFC Kelly Fuerhoff — Wed, 13 Apr 2022 13:53:41 -0400

You can still lose weight with a knee injury. I have a permanent profile because of my knees - I can still lose weight. Medical didn't "claim" anything - they likely told the truth that despite his knee injury he can still lose weight because he doesn't have a medical condition that causes weight gain. That's why they said that.

Response by MAJ Byron Oyler made Apr 13 at 2022 2:59 PM

MAJ Byron Oyler — Wed, 13 Apr 2022 14:59:43 -0400

Having been someone that was still taped after losing 20lbs at basic and all my career I am sympathetic but 3% at the year mark is not just busting tape, it is running through it. People in your chain of command can come back and say, "What was I thinking, I put the wrong date," but that does not change the real change that needs to happen here. If the soldier wants to stay Army going before the man with a separation packet maybe exactly what they need as habits did not change in the last year.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 13 at 2022 4:36 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 13 Apr 2022 16:36:29 -0400

What can you do? Help them come up with a nutrition plan...3% is way outside the line... I have always been taped, even in basic. I can tell you as a larger person, it is all about controlling your diet to control your weight. Now, to be fair, I have never failed tape, but it is due to my discipline in the gym and at the dinner table. A profile is no excuse to be over weight... I know that sounds harsh but it is true. There are things they can do with a bad knee (says the guy with a bad knee) and still maintain H/W

Response by SSgt Christophe Murphy made Apr 14 at 2022 1:17 PM

SSgt Christophe Murphy — Thu, 14 Apr 2022 13:17:13 -0400

Height and weight and tape standards are part of the game. Regardless. Even if the individual was on a med board they would still be on the hook for height and weight until the day they EAS/ETS. It's the same standards for everyone. Good luck fighting for your people but if the Command pushes it they have the high ground on this.

Response by CSM Tommy Wingard made Apr 27 at 2022 8:54 AM

CSM Tommy Wingard — Wed, 27 Apr 2022 08:54:00 -0400

Use the new BMI system.