What can I do if my unit doesn’t have any of my awards (CIB, AAM(C), etc.) and nothing is on IPERMS for my deployment?

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 20 Feb 2019 09:43:58 -0500

So I had to leave my deployment about 2 weeks earlier than everybody else due to emergency leave and when I got back from emergency leave everybody else had already processed back stateside and so now that I’m heading down to Fort Rucker for WOCS and I need all those Certs for the badges and medals to transition to WO but my S1 or anybody I’ve spoken to actually has any of the awards(I did in fact get them every single person in my squad/platoon did so I know I should have them)

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 20 at 2019 9:58 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 20 Feb 2019 09:58:32 -0500

S1 is required to maintain copies of any orders they issued, which would account for any AAMs.
As for CIBs and awards of higher precedence, they would be maintained at the orders issuing HQ, which is also responsible for uploading them to iPERMS.
If you need a copy, go through your CoC and get them from the Orders Issuing HQs.
You will not be the only one with this issue, so support should not be a problem.

Response by LTC Kevin B. made Feb 20 at 2019 10:21 AM

LTC Kevin B. — Wed, 20 Feb 2019 10:21:11 -0500

Do you have a specific question for the board?

Response by LTC Jason Mackay made Feb 20 at 2019 11:01 AM

LTC Jason Mackay — Wed, 20 Feb 2019 11:01:20 -0500

SPC Private RallyPoint Member the Brigade Level S1 cuts the permanent orders for the CIB unless your unit was assigned to some higher formation. It's fairly unimpressive looking. I believe it is format 200 which is a one page (half page) permanent order that says you were awarded the CIB for action on such and such date being engaged in combat with the enemy... if you were awarded the CIB, it would be at the BDE S1 permanently....hence permanent orders. Did you get your CIB presented to you in a ceremony? It is an individual award. Did your Platoon mates receive their orders? Were they done as a batch (i.e. Listing all the names for the people involved with the qualifying event on the order)?

Likewise, an AAM has permenant orders from the O5 level command that issued it unless it was a downgrade of another award. Issuing HQ has the permanent award. ensure the AAM is awarded as a
N AAM with C device IAW MILPER Message 17-095. https://www.hrc.army.mil/content/C%20and%20R%20devices

Campaign medals like the ACM, ICM, GWOTEM, IRCM etc are put on your SRB without documentation based on you fulfilling your orders to TCS and the return flight manifest. It's usually done on the way out or as part of your reintegration.

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Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Feb 20 at 2019 11:16 AM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Wed, 20 Feb 2019 11:16:00 -0500

Are your sure you were nominated for any of the awards outside of the deployment? If you S1 has no record, then the next best place to start is with the Company clerk, PLT Sgt, 1SG or Commander. They would know what you were nominated for. Thank you for your service.

Response by MSG Dan Castaneda made Feb 20 at 2019 11:25 AM

MSG Dan Castaneda — Wed, 20 Feb 2019 11:25:17 -0500

Ask one of your buddies to see his CIB orders. My unit blacketed our CIB orders and everyone's name are on the orders.

Response by MAJ Patrick Hairston CISSP, AWS Certified Cloud Architect made Feb 20 at 2019 11:28 AM

MAJ Patrick Hairston CISSP, AWS Certified Cloud Architect — Wed, 20 Feb 2019 11:28:46 -0500

You should have a copy for the orders of your awards. I got one for every award I had over 20 years.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 20 at 2019 12:08 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 20 Feb 2019 12:08:11 -0500

Update: I was able to get the CIB by basically getting one of the guys in my squad to get a copy of his and have my S1 remake mine, but still no luck on the AAM. And yes I did clarify with my S1 that the other awards have no actual certs to go with it

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 20 at 2019 1:25 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 20 Feb 2019 13:25:45 -0500

Another option may be to contact your platoon members. I'm not certain how orders are cut now, but at one time an order awarding the same award would include multiple names. Wouldn't resolve a lack of certificate, but would give you a reference and serve as authorization for wear of the award.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 20 at 2019 1:49 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 20 Feb 2019 13:49:05 -0500

Your S1 is required to maintain copies of all awards/actions that were approved or disapproved in a file they have to maintain. The file suppose to be kept for 12mos after your departure. If they don’t have it, they should be able to check the awards log which has the order number for all approved awards. This will help them to reconstruct the award so it can be re-issued. I hope this helps. Good luck to you.

Response by SGT Jim Ramge, MBA made Feb 20 at 2019 8:24 PM

SGT Jim Ramge, MBA — Wed, 20 Feb 2019 20:24:57 -0500

Consider contacting the units that issued the awards and/or PERSCOM!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2019 11:16 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Feb 2019 11:16:04 -0500

Grab your "I love me book" scan everything to PDF in 300 doing and shoot it to your S1 to code it.