What can I do if I suspect my unit is singling me out or if there is possibility of discrimination against me?

SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA — Sun, 10 Jan 2016 23:36:55 -0500

Summary version of events that has me baffled:

I've been in my unit since April 15, so that's what...8-9 months?

Within my first week I was voluntold on Sunday morning to replace an E-6 doing Staff Duty that same Sunday.
Couple weeks later, my own Staff Duty on a weekend.
Then a CQ on a Friday, shortening my weekend.
Then another Staff Duty on a Friday, shortening my weekend.
8 days later another Staff Duty...you guessed it, on a weekend.

Now, about 2 months ago there was a "sh|t detail" that of course I was put on. In addition, 4 soldiers from my platoon were added. 3 latinos + myself for a total of 4 latinos out of 5 in the detail. This was shortened to 2 latinos + the other soldier.

3 weeks ago, and with 5 days advance notice, I was made the NCOIC for yet another detail, baggage detail. Want to know how many latinos were originally sent to this detail from my platoon once again? 4 latinos.
How many soldiers were originally sent in total? 4 soldiers.

Now, we've had a Soldier on Extra Duty for Alcohol related offenses and instead of sending him to Staff Duty for the Extra Duty program, our 1SG wants us to take responsibility, but of course it is only us E-5 doing the extra duty watch with this soldier.
Someone has to watch him in weekend of course...guess who has gotten tapped several weekends? This guy.
At one point, during block leave, I jokingly told my wife I was going to ask for a weekend in advance because I knew they would tap me again.

And sure enough, on New Year's eve I get a message telling me that I have extra duty watch on Sunday. When I reminded them I was on leave they threw a fit.

I guess the operating point is that I knew I was going to tapped for weekend extra duty. As in "I know i'm being singled out"

As of an hour ago, I was sent another message informing me that I have to do the extra duty watch tomorrow, which for my unit, is a DONSA.

So once again, I am being assigned to a "sh|t detail" that more and more looks like a punishment.

For what reason I don't know.

I am the Master Driver for my Company and I just passed an unscheduled Program Inspection with a 91% first time GO. Inspector was impressed as it was the highest score by far he had seen for an unscheduled inspection.
I have nothing but stellar reviews from every Battalion/Brigade NCO/Officer I've worked with since arriving to this unit...but for some reason that doesn't translate to my own unit.

I keep getting shoved into the duties no one wants to get, and not only that, a majority of latino named personnel is sent to those details as well.

So with all this said, I'm not certain if this can be retaliation (against what...I don't know), or flat out discrimination? (I am 46 and latino?) or I am being singled out simply because my PSG doesn't like me?

My wife is having heart surgery this Tuesday at 0500, and tomorrow Monday we had plans to spend the day doing activities to relax her for her surgery, last minute plans/what ifs, etc.
Of course my unit ran out of "Fs" to give as they stuck me with this extra duty watch and so far no one is replying to my concerns.

UPDATE:

My wife surgery is today, she should be released either tomorrow or Thursday. And this weekend is a 4 day (MLK), so that would have been enough time off for me to nurse/monitor her.

Now, because of the last minute (Sunday night) new extra duty watch burden, I figured I would get tagged during her recovery, so I put in for leave this morning.
I am told that I will be counseled for it being last minute.

So it is ok for them to tag last minute details forcing people to change scheduled events...yet I am the one getting counseled for trying to fix their mess. Of course!

Response by COL Charles Williams made Jan 10 at 2016 11:55 PM

COL Charles Williams — Sun, 10 Jan 2016 23:55:43 -0500

EO first, if you believe there is a discrimination issue.

Response by CW4 Brian Haas made Jan 11 at 2016 12:02 AM

CW4 Brian Haas — Mon, 11 Jan 2016 00:02:36 -0500

Have you used your chain of command? That may be the first place to go. If the issue is with your platoon sergeant, could always try the PL or the 1SG or Company Commander. This might be something they don't know about but would easily crush. I'd say either that or EO...

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Jan 11 at 2016 12:33 AM

CSM Charles Hayden — Mon, 11 Jan 2016 00:33:43 -0500

SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA I am sorry, something is not proper. Stay cool and follow most of the guidance you receive from RP. UNFAIR!!!!

Response by SSG Robert Webster made Jan 11 at 2016 1:06 AM

SSG Robert Webster — Mon, 11 Jan 2016 01:06:35 -0500

SGT Rojas, Sorry to hear about your issues and problems. The issues/problems with your unit may or may not be related to discrimination, but it is difficult to tell from a distance without having better demographics of your specific unit. Before I address the EO/Race Relations aspect of the issues; I would like to address the most important item - Family. Since your spouse is having heart surgery, and that it is soon, I would try to get that addressed first. I would first go to the next NCO in the support chain above the NCO highest in the chain that you have personally told and verify that they are aware of the situation with your spouse, then proceed from there.

Next, to address the race/ethnic issues - think about the ethnic ratios in your unit both lower enlisted and junior NCO's. What caliber of troops are the Hispanic soldiers assigned to the details that you have spoken about? Are they knuckleheads or are they good troops? Though it is not FAIR, are you one of a few Hispanic/Latino NCO's in your unit? (though that may not be fair - you could be a Filipino for all that I know.)

The Staff Duty and CQ - from my perspective, stuff happens.

A couple of side notes, since your were in an aviation unit with the 10th Mountain;
Did you or do you know Mr Sean Wojasinski - an Apache pilot?
Did you or do you know LTC Ricky Ortiz - was an aviation Bn CO?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2016 7:35 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 11 Jan 2016 07:35:02 -0500

Go with all of this and names/dates of what has happened. I am sure that he right EO can fix this. ggod luck.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jan 11 at 2016 11:12 AM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Mon, 11 Jan 2016 11:12:18 -0500

Keep very good notes. Trust me on this as you will sound more credible with notes.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2016 11:25 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 11 Jan 2016 11:25:44 -0500

Sounds like you need to find schedules, which should be published, and talk to your NCO support channel. Ask to see th DA6. If you cannot get a satisfactory explanation, let them know you want to exercise the 1SGs open door policy. Just make sure that your leadership is aware of your concerns to give them an opportunity to address it first. This is what EO and IG will tell you if you go to them now.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2016 12:10 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 11 Jan 2016 12:10:20 -0500

SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA, as a First Sergeant, what comes immediately to mind is does your unit keep a DA 6 for details and Staff Duty?
If they don't, they should and you should use the CoC to see the First Sergeant about it.
If they do, it is too easy to count names and spot shenanigans. If the disparity is visible, make copies of the DA 6 and prepare to make the next step.

Response by Capt Mark Strobl made Jan 11 at 2016 12:50 PM

Capt Mark Strobl — Mon, 11 Jan 2016 12:50:04 -0500

SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA, YOU may be the problem: (Let me explain...) About mid-way through, you may have unknowingly stated the problem: If you come with great reviews and stellar performance, you may be singled out because you are "the 'go-to' guy." If the situation is as you described, you're getting a short stick. But, as other RP members have pointed out, there should be a protocol in assigning watch/duties/etc.

Going forward:
1.) Put the "race card" back in your wallet (for now).
2.) Maintain copious notes. Keep a record (include who ELSE is being assigned what)
3.) Focus on your wife. (She will be around when you get your DD-214)

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jan 11 at 2016 2:08 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Mon, 11 Jan 2016 14:08:08 -0500

Get a number for all the NCO's available for CQ and SDNCO. That is a start. I am sure we can figure out the statistics together.

Response by SFC Pete Kain made Jan 11 at 2016 2:12 PM

SFC Pete Kain — Mon, 11 Jan 2016 14:12:49 -0500

Discrimination may just be a case of you are good and ended up being the go to guy. Still sucks, try talking to your C.O.C.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2016 8:22 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 11 Jan 2016 20:22:55 -0500

dude go EO , thats what i would do

Response by MSG Michiel Moland made Jan 12 at 2016 5:21 AM

MSG Michiel Moland — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 05:21:49 -0500

Ask your 1st Sgt to see the -6 history and the next 5 months, if there a error have correct it, if not use your chain, document everything if all fails request I.G.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2016 5:56 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 05:56:21 -0500

I'm an EOA and if everything is true then there are concerns. First ask your supervisor to see the DA 6 for CQ duty. Next ask your supervisor why is it you are the only E5 getting the majority of extra duty watch? But from the outside looking in could be perceived as targeting?? Now I know there is 3 sides to a story, not saying you are lying, but because the nature of my job, I live by that! Also, if you have engaged leadership then with your wife having heart surgery hopefully they will take care of you by letting you be with your spouse. A suggestion to you would be maybe put in a couple of days of leave??

Response by SSG Robert Edwards made Jan 12 at 2016 7:10 AM

SSG Robert Edwards — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 07:10:55 -0500

I would start with the chaplain, then the IG.

Response by MSgt Danny Hope made Jan 12 at 2016 7:24 AM

MSgt Danny Hope — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 07:24:19 -0500

Lots of great suggestions, I do however feel the need to recommend the following:
1. Is there someone in your chain whose judgement you trust? That should be your first start. Explain the situation and give them enough reasonable time to investigate / resolve the issue.
2. Make sure you document everything, even if it's just an MFR, and don't buck the chain more than necessary.
3. EO is a great program, but I don't believe it was instituted to be a casual step, but more of a last resort, and puts alot of processes in play...you can't "un-go" to EO.

Response by SSG Sean Knudsen made Jan 12 at 2016 7:51 AM

SSG Sean Knudsen — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 07:51:24 -0500

Use your chain of command.

Response by SPC Joshua Dawson made Jan 12 at 2016 8:43 AM

SPC Joshua Dawson — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 08:43:46 -0500

This sounds like a pretty small problem, I was experiencing pretty much the same sort of treatment from my unit and then they turned around and illegally retained me in service for two years after my contract all because they did not want to let me leave before the deployment because I was medical personnel. To anybody that has anything to say about me being illegally retained in service: 1. There was no stop-loss order, they were actually refusing to issue me another ID card because I did not have orders until they got a phone call from a high ranking officer in my unit mainly responsible for illegally retaining me. 2. I was already four months past my contract before we even deployed. 3. In order for stop-loss to even be enacted it has to be an entire division movement which we were deploying in separate brigades some of them even 6 months apart. I tried to fight all of what was going on and the sad truth of any of it is that there is actually nothing you can do about almost all of it, all of the places that you are supposed to be able to go, like IG for example, all just turn their heads and act like if they don't see it then it isn't happening.

Response by SFC Oscar Horne made Jan 12 at 2016 9:02 AM

SFC Oscar Horne — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 09:02:26 -0500

First get the command policy on staff duty. I can understand emergency when they arrive; but, calling someone off leave.
Next question? Is your unit deployed. If so it sounds as thought some needs to engage a da form 6. I understand your concerns.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2016 9:02 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 09:02:44 -0500

I was a young NCO that faced the same situation as you. I say visit both, and see what the best option is for your situation. Whatever you do, don't do anything drastic. I did the latter, and the consequences will be with me for life. Keep cool, and take the matter as high as you can until you get results. Worse case scenario; they will transfer you to another unit or section. Now keep in mind, there is no telling if your gaining unit is going to be any better than the one you transferred out of.

Response by SGT Alfred Cox made Jan 12 at 2016 9:13 AM

SGT Alfred Cox — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 09:13:04 -0500

You start droppingvdimes on the other NCOs.. Fuck em if they don't wanna pull there weight. Start calling them assholes out. Then hit up EO.

Response by SSG Audwin Scott made Jan 12 at 2016 9:28 AM

SSG Audwin Scott — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 09:28:04 -0500

All I will say is DA Form 6 is normally how units assign duties, that way everyone gets rotated correctly with the exception of those NCO's that are exempt from duties.

Response by Capt Al Parker made Jan 12 at 2016 9:28 AM

Capt Al Parker — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 09:28:21 -0500

Maybe you were being tested. They found out you Scream Discrimination. Suck it up and do your job, you are in the Military YOU have to earn your civil rights back by your performance.

Response by SGT Frank Yarum made Jan 12 at 2016 9:44 AM

SGT Frank Yarum — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 09:44:50 -0500

Sgt Hector Rojas I am sorry for what you are feeling and for what you are being putt through. Many people here are telling you to keep notes or go to C.O.C. or EO or go to your 1Sgt or CO. Well I am here to tell you do not jump the chain of command. If you think the issue is someone in your chain you can skip them but you must give your chain of command a chance to fix their own house first. Yes on the notes. Keep very good notes, dates, times, every detail possible, who, what, when, where, how, and why if known. Do not assume or speculate and write the notes on your time. That way no one can say you were slacking while you were supposed to be working. Good luck too ya.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2016 9:48 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 09:48:40 -0500

I got the short-timers disease back when I was about to leave active duty. There were weeks when I had CQ 3 days out of the 7 of the week. It was insane - but sometimes you have to ride it out, and sometimes you have to make it stop.

To me it is clear that they are mistreating you, but i am not convinced it is due to race.

Response by MSG Bobby Morehead made Jan 12 at 2016 9:55 AM

MSG Bobby Morehead — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 09:55:51 -0500

Along with the DA 6 does your platoon SGT have a troops to task list, my PSGs had to send me their TTL at the beginning of every month and update it at the end of each week. This helps to ensure that everyone is getting treated fairly.

Response by MSG Carl Clark made Jan 12 at 2016 10:15 AM

MSG Carl Clark — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 10:15:25 -0500

What I am going to say is this. "Suck it up" here is why.
1. If you can take it you can make it.
2. People and organizations have some pretty predictable ways of making or breaking you. Perhaps the crosshairs are on you, the best thing you can do is do your duty with honor . This will pass.
3. Until you have exhausted every measure and method of resolving this at the "lowest level" you should never try to go up and around your chain of command. It never ends up well.
4. Victimology: don't play the victim game, you're not a victim you're in the military, you are a solider. You got picked for duty not because your Latino or a Martian, you got picked for duty because it's what you signed up for. Don't always look for things to be fair. If you wanted fair, you should have become a teacher and joined a teachers union.
5. Time fixes things much better than your impatience ever will. Hold your fire on this one. Let it pass.

Response by CSM Gerald Utterback made Jan 12 at 2016 10:15 AM

CSM Gerald Utterback — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 10:15:29 -0500

Lots of good recommendations. The DA Form 6 is a requirement by regulation. Find out how many NCOs are assigned to your unit and if they are on the DA Form 6. Some people may be exempt because of mission requirements or duty position. By all means insure you use the Chain of Command and the first person I would talk to is the 1SG he is the one that controls the DA Form 6...if this fails then ask to see the CSM.

Response by SPC James Dollins made Jan 12 at 2016 10:54 AM

SPC James Dollins — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 10:54:22 -0500

Have you taken this through your chain of command? If not that should be your first option. Second option, (If that doesn't work) you need to keep following your chain. Last I would say EO, then legal. Document EVERYTHING!! Get copies of duty rosters, Staff Duty logs, anything that would back up your claim. Good Luck!

Response by SSgt Boyd Welch made Jan 12 at 2016 11:01 AM

SSgt Boyd Welch — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 11:01:02 -0500

Use the chain of command first then EO if necessary. Your immediate leadership will not be happy but it sounds like their management of people is "piss-poor" anyway.

Response by 1SG Charles Hunter made Jan 12 at 2016 11:16 AM

1SG Charles Hunter — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 11:16:44 -0500

First, I disagree with all the "suck it up" responses. Why are you on duty rosters at both company and battalion?
Both CQ and Staff Duty are rostered details managed by use of DA Form 6. Your first sergeant is in charge of the CQ roster. In my experience in an infantry company, I expected to pull CQ twice a month: one weekday and one weekend. Is "extra duty watch" a rostered detail? If not, are you tasked to supervise soldiers other than your own?
There certainly seem to be issues with your chain of command, based on your post. If your first sergeant or commander can't or won't address the issues, your battalion CSM or commander could be your next step. If that fails, see your IG.

Response by SFC Donald York made Jan 12 at 2016 11:24 AM

SFC Donald York — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 11:24:53 -0500

From my perspective i would say the Company 1SG isn't too concerned about doing his job. Unless, and i'm not concluding that you are, a total screw up. I have my doubts that you are. I would consider seeing a JAG officer and explain to him your circumstances. If you are doing your job as an E-5 and not upsetting the Apple cart so to speak, you should be able to work this out. Do not bring any of your peers into this.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2016 11:44 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 11:44:03 -0500

If you believe you are experiencing discrimination, the established grievance channel is to file a complaint with either your Equal Opportunity (EO) office, or preferably through your Chain of Command and give your Commander the courtesy of avoiding an embarrassing investigation! Even the PSG will get the message as that will and virtually impact his NCOER! But understand this much, it may get worse before it gets better so watch your backside and don't compromise your outstanding reviews! All the best to you SGT! -1SG Josephs

Response by SPC Donald Moore made Jan 12 at 2016 11:49 AM

SPC Donald Moore — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 11:49:39 -0500

If you are being assigned that much duty, it is either one of two things, they think you are a slacker and don't want you around or they think that you are high speed and are grooming you for promotion.
Work hard and do a good job and hope for the best.

Response by SPC Brian Bay made Jan 12 at 2016 12:17 PM

SPC Brian Bay — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 12:17:22 -0500

EO, legal, IG and consult with civilian counsel -specializing in employment and military law (usually free of charge).

Before you begin what is probably going to turn into a shit storm. Document everything!! (Texts, email, log of dates, leave documents) and make all requests in email or written form so there's a paper trail.

Talk w/1SG or CO under open door policy as professional courtesy. Email request for appt then follow up email after with discussion summary.

Probably not a bad idea to chat with CSM as well. Honestly, if leave the Latino race part out of it - and I say that because it'll more than likely distract from the true issues to be addressed (like the repeat CQ/SD stuff, ad-hoc Ex-Duty "supervisor" BS) I'd also locate a company/BN handbook, SOP or memorandum regarding how CQ/SD rotations are selected and what the policies are for supervision.

When you're supervising ED, are you just stopping in once or twice for spot checks or standing next to them like a WSDOT or CALTRANS supervisor? You could also play their game and let them know that you also require the unit safety officer to be present and oversee things to ensure OSHA compliance and use of any product that has MSDS info... Lol.

When it comes to your wife (and well wishes to her for speedy recovery), in my opinion it's considered best practices to give guys time to spend with family members for events such as this. So I'm in your camp there, but I'm the world of black and white, is this required? (Something to look into because I don't have that Intel off the top of my head)

Circling back to the Latino thing, tread lightly there... Sometimes units are comprised of more than once ethnicity than another (just an observation from my experience) but when you're in charge of selecting personnel for a detail or are vying for a boondoggle tasking do you want everything derailed because you're missing 1x Asian (<--- random example for illustrative purposes) to comply with EEOC regs? Don't crest a double edge sword that can come back to bite you in the ass later.

Obviously we only have your side based sorry on the limited info that you've shared, but you do bring up some good points that are worth looking into.

Response by SFC Peter Cyprian made Jan 12 at 2016 12:29 PM

SFC Peter Cyprian — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 12:29:23 -0500

As I read through your story, like many others here, my first thought was "where is the DA-6?". It starts there. Unless you are the ONLY NCO available for duty, you should never get tagged for back to back weekend/holiday duty. It CAN happen on a properly run DA 6, but it is like the Powerball.....mathematically the odds are against it; a bunch of things would have to happen in order for you to get tagged like that. Understand that Friday is NOT weekend duty, so you can have duty on a Friday one week and then a Sat/Sun the next. Above all, keep track and stay professional. Let the your PSG know what your concern is and follow your NCO support channel.

Response by SPC Randy Torgerson made Jan 12 at 2016 12:31 PM

SPC Randy Torgerson — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 12:31:26 -0500

This is just my opinion and they certainly vary from person to person. Not knowing the specific details about any one incident, this is my general opinion on this subject;

Contrary to popular belief, 98% of the time, being singled out comes down to 2 things, 1st you did something specific that your leaders are trying to teach you a lesson about. 2nd its completely in your head and you are not being singled out, but rather you have screwed up, at least in your own mind and you feel guilty or ashamed about it and therefore you believe someone has noticed.

My advice; wake up tomorrow and suck it up. Take some personal responsibility and square yourself away, don't wait for someone else to square you away. Generally, nobody gives a crap about your color, religion, ethnicity or what color your hair is. Stay in regulation, talk when its appropriate and don't talk when its not. Its no different in the civilian world, maybe less severe but still no different. If you are being picked on or singled out, 99.9% of the time you are demanding to be singled out. Since you can't change others and only yourself, work with what you got. Change yourself.

Please remember, life is not fair and it was not meant to be. We all get singled out when we try to force fairness onto others.

Have a wonderful day :)

Response by CMSgt John Momaney made Jan 12 at 2016 1:32 PM

CMSgt John Momaney — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 13:32:59 -0500

Is your outfit short on E5's and E6's? If we rule that out then you bring scheduled as many times as you have been is way out of proportion. Another question- made any enemies there in top spots? If you think it is discrimination go by the book elevate if no person in your outfit can provide you with a reason this is occurring. From my past I know if I pissed off the 1Sgt or commander I would be given all the crisp details. Good luck.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jan 12 at 2016 1:46 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 13:46:43 -0500

What happens to DA-6s? Keep good notes and create a logical folder.

Response by SSgt(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2016 1:57 PM

SSgt(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 13:57:33 -0500

Why am I not surprised that this is happening at Fort Carson

Response by SGT Rudy Gibson made Jan 12 at 2016 1:59 PM

SGT Rudy Gibson — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 13:59:47 -0500

This is purely for encouragement try to focus on your wife. I truly hope race isn't the reason you are constantly being tasked for extra duty, staff duty etc... I've been out for quite some time now. My last duty station was so small we were guaranteed Staff duty on a weekend and during the week once a month and sometimes twice depending on testing schedules.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jan 12 at 2016 2:01 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 14:01:31 -0500

This gives me heart burn as BAH Type 2 is for SMs who are on active duty for less than 30 days. He was on active duty for 42 days. The system failed a SM.

Response by SSG Wayne Wood made Jan 12 at 2016 2:06 PM

SSG Wayne Wood — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 14:06:39 -0500

I know I've commented several times before but I hope this is my final word(s) on this subject.

It may be about race, it may not. I had a new Chief of Firing Battery start riding my butt one time; after doing a serious self-examination (always look in the mirror first, just to make sure) and looking at all the facts, I realized the guy had the hots for my wife after a Battery picnic where he saw her the first time.

Now, I was keeping book but remembered crap rolls downhill and I was on the bottom. What I did was take the first jump slot offered me (this was my last non-Airborne unit) and say goodbye. I recognized you may not have that option so.

1) Self-exam - Did I do anything to cause this? (not saying you did, just a good habit to develop).

2) Keep book (already mentioned and you are doing that.) - make sure your ducks are in order.

3) Approach Chain of Command as high as you can go. When I was in no one would talk to you until you had tried the Chain.

4) If the Chain doesn't help - go EO, IG, JAG, even Congressman (nuke option and last resort).

5) Be prepared to accept the consequences of your course of action. Remember, as I've said before, the Army Private's Law of Gravity - Crap rolls downhill and we are on the bottom. You may win the battle and lose the war if you are not careful; no one is 100% correct 100% of the time and if you have a bullseye on your forehead...

I am not saying you have to sit there and take what appears to be some kind of singling out either racial, or your PSG doesn't like your mouthwash, but what I am saying is when you go against a giant, expect him to fight back. Prepare for battle and keep your doo-doo straight and head down.

Best wishes to you.

Response by SFC Ernest Thurston made Jan 12 at 2016 2:17 PM

SFC Ernest Thurston — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 14:17:53 -0500

I agree with the comment below by MAJ Ballinger. But another thought came to mind. Maybe you are getting tapped to do things because they trust you to do the job right. Sometimes leaders take the easy way out when assigning responsibilities. Have you sat down with anyone in your chain of command and expressed these feelings? It just might be that your PSG is not aware of the situation as you see it. Don't alway jump to the conclusion that a person is racist or biased because of the way they treat you. I know many times in my career that I felt that my loyalty was being abused and I would get upset but do the job. Many times I just went to my next level in the chain and said "I need to have a heart to heart talk." And many times that was all it took to change things.

Response by TSgt Keith Wright made Jan 12 at 2016 2:41 PM

TSgt Keith Wright — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 14:41:16 -0500

Respond to original question...This is more common then one would admit. I have found that that some units may single someone out and theirs nothing that can be done. As this is a result from the pentagon down the chain of command.
You really need to understand the dynamics of the situation as you will say I am crazy for trying to explain to you something that is ominous.
How are things going in your family? Your job? Are people starting to shy away from you? Do you suspect people are talking about you behind your back? Even folks not connected to the military or your unit? Are you a Christian? Is their seemingly a strong Pagan, Wiccan group in your unit? Do they really get into Halloween? Do they try and call Christmas the Solestes? Have they talked about canceling the Christmas party? Has ominous enochine symbols appeard on windows?
This all sounds bizar I know and realize that, however if your being singled out then there is a bigger picture. I would suggest opening your eyes wide and looking at everything all around you. Try going to Church for prayer, ask the Pagan or Wiccan Military Chaplains to pray for you. What ominous comments have been made to you? Anyone made suggestive thoughts or comments to you?
I would quickly analyze your situation and look at health fitness and the obvious not to say anything to anyone about anything that is not work related. I would hit the gym more often focus on physical fitness, focus on your current job and drive your focus directly to your work and your unit needs.
If not you could end up in a psyc ward. Being discharged with some kind of personal behavior problem and be out on the street wondering what to do next. This is soo common that you could write a book on this stuff as it repeats the same story over and over but with different names

Response by SFC Marino Aquisap made Jan 12 at 2016 3:35 PM

SFC Marino Aquisap — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 15:35:34 -0500

The DA form 6 dictates duty dates and times published by the unit 1st Sergeant. This is not a major issue, use your NCO support channel and discuss your feelings. You're an NCO, not a Sergeant, be the part and do what's necessary to get your professional development functioning.

Response by SSG Ray Strenkowski made Jan 12 at 2016 3:57 PM

SSG Ray Strenkowski — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 15:57:18 -0500

I think the most unfortunate part of these circumstances is the failure of his direct leadership. Your soldiers and NCO's need to have trust and confidence in their leaders, that's formed over time and usually not by demands or micromanagement at every turn. I would often 'ask' my soldiers and NCO's when I needed day to day tasks done at the unit - but they knew it wasn't a request.

This trust is what ensures that your soldiers execute without question when there's no room for pleasantries.

SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA leadership is failing him, and it wouldn't surprise me if he's not the only one.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2016 4:02 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 16:02:07 -0500

Write down everything and use your chain of command.

Response by SFC Clark Adams made Jan 12 at 2016 4:05 PM

SFC Clark Adams — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 16:05:36 -0500

,
Sadly there are some lousy 1SG both in their documentation and behavior. The DA-6 review is the best initial route to follow. Also if you are the" Go to Guy" he may not realize that you are being disproportionately tasked with additional duties. This is where the 1SG needs to look at development of the unit's NCOs, instead of allowing other NCO to stagnate while burning out the good NCOs. Could there be some bias in his actions? I can't say what's in someone's heart or mind , I can only see their actions and reviewing the DA-6 and discussing your concerns with the 1SG and the CO if need be should lead to your concerns being addressed. Should these efforts fail you can see your CSM or BN CO and or the IG. Good luck and don't let negative experiences make you become a negative NCO your Joes need you.

Response by MSG David Smoak made Jan 12 at 2016 4:51 PM

MSG David Smoak — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 16:51:33 -0500

There have been a lot of good and thoughtful responses so far, and no matter who's advice you take I recommend you talk to SOMEONE because your stress & anxiety level are sky high and nobody wants something bad to happen. 1. A little known fact is that most Post command units (Corps/Div) establish command policies to include "Standard duty day" which also explicitly details the requirements for working outside that "standard duty day" (O-6 approval, etc)---obviously being on deployment/war footing can change that but it is somewhere to start. Learn & use all your command policies--which includes the policy for requesting leave. An informed NCO is a valuable & strong NCO. 2. The DA 6 is for CQ/SDNCO and it may be your 1SG or the Training NCO filling it out---find out and review it. , they don't just post it for the public. Last minute changes are notoriously "forgotten" and someones loses credit for duty all the time. 3. I encourage using the NCO Channel unless you already feel it has become a hostile situation---if it has, then there is the Command and finally IG (EEO you really need more blatant racism, IMHO) 4. If you continue to find yourself in a miserable situation, you can request an on-base transfer(4187) or contact HRC about putting you on orders right at 24 months

Response by SSG Ronald Rollins made Jan 12 at 2016 5:29 PM

SSG Ronald Rollins — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 17:29:58 -0500

AS a former ER rep for a unit, I would have to tell you what the others have told you. Keep notes, see if a DA6 is being run and copies kept. TALK to your first line supervisor. Use your chain of command. Give them a chance to look at and correct the problem if there is one. Is the unit short of NCO's? Is there NCO's that cannot be counted on? If you feel your chain of command is not being helpful, then go to the CSM. But you MUST have proof. When soldiers came to me, I had to check things out. Out of all I looked into, 1 was justified. The others were just ones complaining. I am not saying that is what you are doing. I dont have enough information. Keep notes, text, counseling forms, copies of the DA6, the dates you had duty, who you had duty with, the circumstances with which you had duty. Maybe the other NCOs who could have had duty, but if it goes that far, the chain of command will have to explain why the others were not picked. Be prepared to move units. I have seen that happen. Not always but in 10% of the cases.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2016 5:45 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 17:45:54 -0500

So, who is putting you on duty? Is it the 1SG, or the PSG? As has already been mentioned, it's supposed to be run per DA 6. Both are the responsibility of the company usually, depending on if BN maintains a SDNCO roster (they're supposed to) or if they assign companies slots/weeks/wgatever. Sounds like it's not being managed at all. There are also supposed to be 2 separate DA 6s for staff duty and cq. If however the 1SG leaves it up to the platoons (something that happens frighteneningly often. Why did you want to be in charge again 1SG?) You've said you pulled both cq and SDNCO, that right there is outright wrong. Unless, and this is a big one really, there aren't enough NCOs. One thing you failed to mention young SGT, and it's really kind of important here, how many ncos are there in the available pool? Some of this could be due to simple shortages, as stupid as that sounds.

Response by COL Andrew Burns made Jan 12 at 2016 6:07 PM

COL Andrew Burns — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 18:07:54 -0500

SGT Rojas,
I have to strongly agree with the MAJ, CPT, and the 1SGs. You raise very valid issues, but "heavy is the head that wears the crown".....if you are indeed high-speed/low-drag then you and maybe all the Latinos that you referred to in your unit ARE the go-to guys. Bravo if that is the case but you need to work within your COC to, maybe enlighten them as to the perception, and that it might not be fair to not allow the other NCOs the "chance to excel in the management of extra-duty personnel". now isn't that a better way of handing off this issue to your COC, rather than to be confrontational (which forces less mature personnel in authoritative positions to become unhinged), get my drift? As a former Command IG, I can tell you in advance that should this really be the case, it will be referred by the IG to the Chain of command with anonymity. However, if it is true discrimination against Latinos, I think that the racists will figure out that it just might have been one (1) of you four (4)?????
That will lead to a Violation of the WhistleBlower Reprisal Act. ..Key to this is that due to speaking with an IG in confidence, the COC either withheld positive actions, or created negative actions as a result of a protected conversation.

Additionally, I would be maintaining an MFR (Memorandum For Record) file. You will need this when and if things get rough. But then again I acquiess to the contributors who stat to request the DA Form 6. If they do not have one, again, you can show them how to prepare and manage one! however, I think that the 1SG, as a fine NCO, will already have knowledge of this. Another thing to consider is that maybe your Platoon SGT drew not know about this and is just going with his strongest suit?

The most important thing in life is your family. I was able to make it home with my family for 24 of my 31 years. They will be the ones that will be around after your DD214. You COC has indeed failed you and your family in not allowing you to care for your wife. Bad leadership! But that is beside the point. This Rally Point crew has your back with some good advice. Good luck!

Response by SGT Leon Riege made Jan 12 at 2016 7:12 PM

SGT Leon Riege — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 19:12:05 -0500

chain of comand

Response by TSgt Keith Wright made Jan 12 at 2016 8:08 PM

TSgt Keith Wright — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 20:08:07 -0500

was the Phrase "rude and biligerant" used against you? That is like an acedemic phrase for hypnosis the military uses frequently in these kinds of cases.

Response by SSG Richard Gaytan made Jan 12 at 2016 9:50 PM

SSG Richard Gaytan — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 21:50:07 -0500

You didn't say how many were in your unit. Sounds like you the only Latino NCO. You can file an EEO complaint with your unit. Before you do this. See how many NCO's are in your unit and what are their ethnic background. Things are different in todays world, did you file for Family Medical Leave since your wife is having surgery. Go to the Red Cross or your Chaplain and explain your story. Before you do this, you must have documentation, dates, time and place and names. I am EEO representative in the Civilian World trained by the Army.

Response by SGT Tim Fridley made Jan 12 at 2016 10:30 PM

SGT Tim Fridley — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 22:30:45 -0500

Sounds like you're Unit is not using their DA 6 correctly, however in the case of the last minute SDNCO do you know if they were put on emergency leave. That could be the case. Not trying to defend anyone just a possibility. If this was the case perhaps you were next on the screwed up DA 6 or they knew you could be counted on to get the job done on short notice

Response by 1SG Robert Bodeman made Jan 12 at 2016 11:10 PM

1SG Robert Bodeman — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 23:10:02 -0500

first thing first, since I am a retired 1SG, this issue is near and dear to me, a 1SG ALWAYS has a duty roster for ALL duties that must be done, AND with it is ALL duties that will be preformed within your duties. within that roster in alphabetical order names of every soldier and rank and date of promotion, the E-5s and above are on a different roster, you can request to see his roster and ask him how does it work, with that said, a 1SG and COMMANDER has an OPEN DOOR POLICY, you must use your chain of command BUT you do not have to tell anyone why your using it, talk to BOTH your 1SG and CMDR what has been going on, IF you feel you do not get the answer your looking for, or you feel they will not help you, let them know you wish to speak to your CSM, *( here is another way also !! go talk to your CHAPLAN , let him know whats going on, see if he can help you )* now you have to understand it if your in a small unit yes your duties will come up faster, a larger one not so much, if the PSG is the 1SG or acting !SG, you might want to find an unbias officer and talk with him to help guide you, one more thing to think about, using the IG, but you have to have everything documented, soldiers williung to speak for you, witnesses, and documentation, ie,,,, every duty performed you have a copy of that with dates and times is perfect!!!! if you have this you can go to your IG and talk to the SGT in the office, he is the best person who can say yes or no AND if you do have a case against the PSG, then you provide everything to him and ALL paperwork you have , give him time to look it over, the PSG SGT can be releived of duties , transfered or even jail, depends how well you kept copies of ALL duties performed, you can even ask your wife to speak on how this has effect your home life, you can have a doctor state you needed to help your wife due to surgery, stuff like that, keep your head keep in the fight, once you loose your cool, you lost, be smart, evidence is the key, use a copying machine - I hope this helps - good luck

RETIRED 1SG, 35 yrs of svc 7 Combat Tours

Response by SGT Jorge Gonzalez made Jan 12 at 2016 11:30 PM

SGT Jorge Gonzalez — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 23:30:06 -0500

You need copies of your Da6. Go up the chain of command and more important document every conversation. Keep track of what happens after your talks. You may have to go to the IG. Start getting everything document wise ready.

Response by SFC Mike Archer made Jan 13 at 2016 12:06 AM

SFC Mike Archer — Wed, 13 Jan 2016 00:06:20 -0500

SGT Rojas- I'm just going to respond to your original post because some of the responses are turning to personal in my opinion. But I do agree with the majority here to include a couple 1SG's. They are correct. A DA 6 should be readily posted in your company area and available for you to make a copy of so you can have for your records. When used correctly, the DA 6 rules out those complaining of to much duty or duty on a weekend. It is fair and equal across the board. As a Senior Paralegal NCO, I would be concerned that your 1SG has taken it upon himself to have those on extra duty be monitored at Company level. Most BN CSM's specifically state in his/her policy's that those on extra duty will report to him or his Battalion Staff Duty at 1800 hrs. That's time for them to be released at about 1700 for dinner chow then report for their extra duty. But for some reason, your 1SG tags You and a few other NCO's. My question to you would be this, how many Enlisted Soldiers and NCO's do you have in your unit? And of all those NCO's how many DONT perform CQ or BN staff duties? As far as your assumption of Race being a possible factor, of everyone assigned in your unit, what is the ethnic background? In my 20 years and many units I have been assigned too, each unit had a predominate ethnic background and it was not always white. You cannot assume that the reason for all of this is because of your race. If that truly is the case then as an NCO you should know the EO process and follow that process accordingly. But remember, YOU have to handle things tactfully and respectfully at the lowest level first. When that fails or there is "retribution" then you respectfully move up the chain of command. It may get worse before it gets better but hopefully everything works out and not just for you but for your unit as well as this could be a learning situation for all involved. Also, hope your wife is recovering well from her surgery. Good Luck,..."No one is more Professional then I!!"

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 13 at 2016 12:46 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 13 Jan 2016 00:46:37 -0500

It does not sound like discrimination because in addition to the crazy details and always selecting you, you would hear people bad mouthing you. What it sounds like is toxic/lazy leadership and what the good Major said about your 1sg not filling out a DA 6. And as the CPT said once you are good at something they are always going to choose you because they feel confident you will get it done and will not complain or they can be doing this because you are a driver and feels like you dont have enough on your plate. Either way be bold and unafraid and talk to your 1st line superviser

Response by SGM David Pompili made Jan 13 at 2016 12:46 AM

SGM David Pompili — Wed, 13 Jan 2016 00:46:41 -0500

Took a long time to get logged in.....Seems like the DA form 6 (Duty roster) is in error and IG inspections have never discerned this problem...Does your unit have an open door policy ? Get your facts in order and utilize your chain of command if open door did not work....and put on your flak vest !!!!!!

Response by CW4 Angel C. made Jan 13 at 2016 12:59 AM

CW4 Angel C. — Wed, 13 Jan 2016 00:59:11 -0500

SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA you know better than all of us the situation you're facing. On this forum you're going to get lots of advice but it's up to you to get this situation straighten up. First, as a Latino that's been in the Army for over 24 years I've seen how the Army's changed Tremendously for the better in the equal opportunity area. That's not to say it's free of individuals that are quietly racists, but I assure you that it's not tolerated. Leaders know better! So what may seem like racism may just be a leadership issue. Second, get all your facts, 5Ws, and go get some advise from your Company EO rep. Also go see your 1SG/CDR and make them aware of it. This may be a combination of DA-6 and Taskins mismanagement and may be easily resolved in-house. If you're not satisfied then you can always go to BN and higher and the IG.

Response by SGT Joseph Schmalzel made Jan 13 at 2016 6:15 AM

SGT Joseph Schmalzel — Wed, 13 Jan 2016 06:15:24 -0500

They need to go to hell. Nuff said....

Response by MSgt Wayne Morris made Jan 13 at 2016 6:34 AM

MSgt Wayne Morris — Wed, 13 Jan 2016 06:34:17 -0500

While I was in Korea I was assigned to a remote operating location where staffing was a major issue but we normally managed to work it out and shared the load that is until a new E6 was assigned and became the NCOIC only wondering in and out as he chose since "he was in charge." Performance fell along with morale needless to say and being the ranking E5 at the time my attempts at informal discussions with him resulted in just lectures and that "he was in charge." Since our chain of command was several hours away and on the rare occasion that duty requirements meant someone had to visit the head shed guess who always went. Not having that much time left there and seeing the hand writing on the wall I kept copious notes with dates, times and other information while going into CYA mode and trying to keep others from doing something stupid. The day I left Korea I made a trip to the 1st shirts office prior to catching the bird back stateside and handed him my notebook. Several years later I learned that he did not complete his tour there and also reverted to his former rank. The moral of the story, keep good notes with specifics and when all else fails...

Response by SFC Edwin Watson made Jan 13 at 2016 7:41 AM

SFC Edwin Watson — Wed, 13 Jan 2016 07:41:06 -0500

A sage old NCO gave me some advice once, and now I will pass it on to you: one good thing about the military is that every 2-3 years Soldiers move en masse, so if you got someone in your unit making things intolerable, wait a couple of years and either he will move or you will. I have been in your position where someone in authority was making life a living hell for me, so I feel your pain. Good thing is, I used the experience to make myself a better NCO, so I would know how NOT to treat my Soldiers. I hope this helps some.

Response by 1SG Bill Wayne made Jan 13 at 2016 8:32 AM

1SG Bill Wayne — Wed, 13 Jan 2016 08:32:19 -0500

First lets get it straight. Its not your unit but who is handling the DA form 6. So emplace of crying about it ask to see the duty roster. It could have been you were respected an the go to guy when things went to sit. Now you are the cry baby wanting leave. Grow a set. Se the Plt Sgt and ask to see the duty rosters. If your being screwed it will show it. If it is done incorrectly get it fixed. If your first shirt is a dirt bag see the Co if that don't work go to IG there are rules, go by them.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jan 13 at 2016 10:29 AM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Wed, 13 Jan 2016 10:29:16 -0500

My wife was fighting the VA on wrongful termination. I prepared an excel spreadsheet on her status vs the status of her fellow employees. It became the smoking gun.

Response by SrA Conrad Lewis made Jan 13 at 2016 10:37 AM

SrA Conrad Lewis — Wed, 13 Jan 2016 10:37:25 -0500

I know it's not as easy for the Army but you're making yourself a little too available. We signed up for a 24/7 job but you can't do your regular job productively if your constantly tired from extra duty. Point: make yourself way more unavailable, easier said than done but you seem smart, you'll figure it out. As for the race thing . . . duh!!! I look white and my squadron didn't know im Latino so when "no one" was around the racial jokes and true feeling came out and I never said anything cause it was hilarious that they didn't know I'm Mexican. In your instance it's not hilarious and you're just going to have to document everything to include this post. You're obviously in a strenuous situation that will affect you later in life more than you know or think right now. Hell its weighing on you enough to have made this post so yeah cover your own six bud and good luck!

Response by Maj J Peterson made Jan 13 at 2016 11:04 AM

Maj J Peterson — Wed, 13 Jan 2016 11:04:44 -0500

Unless they changed something, we're an all-volunteer force. It might be overlooked if you were drafted into military service but you made a commitment to voluntarily serve your country so from this standpoint, the many "suck it up" comments are valid. However, if you have a valid concern that you're being discriminated against, you'll need to be able to prove it. It may seem like you're being discriminated against but it appears that you're the "new guy" from the info in your post. We all go through this with a new assignment/unit and it fades with time as we build relationships with our new peers and supervisors. The problem also sounds like the unit leadership hasn't placed enough emphasis on sharing the "crap details" with others or it could be that they want to see how you handle yourself under this rite of passage.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 13 at 2016 12:28 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:28:07 -0500

we could discuss this offline if you would like...

Response by MSG Alfred Aguilar made Jan 13 at 2016 1:48 PM

MSG Alfred Aguilar — Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:48:35 -0500

Document your position. If a DA form 6 exist, get a copy. Provide your chain of command an opportunity to address your concern. If you do not get the issue addressed, take your grievances to the chaplain. Only the chaplain can walk into any door in the chain of command. This is a moral issue, any good commander would want to know if this is happening within his or her command.

Response by COL Valerie J made Jan 13 at 2016 5:15 PM

COL Valerie J — Wed, 13 Jan 2016 17:15:00 -0500

agreee with the Major, all duties are done on a roster, DA FORM 6. Document everything, ask for the open door policy, company commander and battalion commander. Use the IG, but only as a lasst resort.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 14 at 2016 7:56 AM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 07:56:45 -0500

I see a lot of discussion below on what is and what is not required, or what level of command a duty roster is maintained at, or whether a "spur of the moment" detail requires a duty roster or not.

I suggest people check the regulations rather than depending on memory, or what worked at your last unit. See http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/r220_45.pdf

From the most recent change dated Nov 2012:

Installation and unit commanders will ensure that procedures for the maintenance of the DA Form 6 are followed, that the DA Form 6 is kept for recording the duty performed by each Soldier in the organization, and that a separate DA Form 6 is maintained for each duty requiring the detail of individuals.

c. All levels of commands to include Active Army, U.S. Army Reserve, and Army National Guard installations and units will —

(1) Ensure that procedures for the maintenance of the DA Form 6 at all levels of command and in all types of organizations are followed.

(2) Ensure that DA Form 6 is kept for recording the duty performed by each Soldier in the organization.

(3) Ensure that a separate DA Form 6 will be maintained for each duty requiring the detail of individuals. All assignments to detail, except authorized special duty details, or other exceptions (see para 7 c ), will be made in accordance with applicable DA Forms 6.

There are caveats which allow units a certain amount of discretions, for example: When details from units will be formed by taking units in turn according to one DA Form 6 , the DA Form 6 may be used by listing unit designations in the place of individual names. Commanders may devise their own method of assigning details to units. Field Manual (FM) 22-6, appendix B provides examples of some methods that may be employed. However, it is emphasized that commanders may use whatever system best meets their needs as long as equity is maintained.

I enlisted in 1973, and in the following 15 years (plus or minus) there was a lot of discrimination and the use of details as an enforcement tool. The final words of the quote above are important, "... as long as equity is maintained." This explains why units are not following the letter of the regulation, without getting in a lot of trouble. If you can PROVE equity was maintained, you can get away with it, but if someone shows up with proof they pulled a detail 6 times, and SPC Snuffy hasn't done it even once, your ass is grass, and the senior commander will mow it.

Do units pick a "hey you" detail without a DA-6? Yep. Can they get in trouble for it? Damn straight. Have CDRs and 1SGs been relieved for failure to maintain a duty roster? Yes, I personally know of two cases. Are you going to win any points with your unit for playing barracks lawyer? Not in any decent unit I've ever been associated with.

Take a close look at paragraph (3) above. Is your unit following that to the letter? (Probably not.) What should you do, raise a stink about it? Maybe it would be best to just use the open door and gently suggest that the unit's command staff is leaving itself open to attack by a barracks lawyer - not that you personally have a beef, but you just want to see the unit continue to do good things. And if Battalion is maintaining the rosters in the name of efficiency, maybe the same answer. Unit commanders don't get a pass for saying, "Command made me do it that way." I'm not sure that defense has ever worked, but it certainly hasn't since the My Lai massacre.

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Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 14 at 2016 3:43 PM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 15:43:03 -0500

Contact your ESO or report to IG and let them handle it. Ensure you have your ducks in a row!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 14 at 2016 5:33 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 17:33:33 -0500

Simple if you don't Know go to EO... It is there Job. They can do all the talking and Investigation.

Response by LTC Robert Hynes made Jan 15 at 2016 6:37 PM

LTC Robert Hynes — Fri, 15 Jan 2016 18:37:22 -0500

So you pulled duty while on leave? No one can make you do that. Or did you get pulled off of leave to pull duty. Only your commander can do that.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Jan 16 at 2016 11:18 AM

MCPO Roger Collins — Sat, 16 Jan 2016 11:18:59 -0500

As I have said in the past, call me by my first name anytime. It's "Chief".

Response by SSG Stan Oliver made Jan 16 at 2016 11:34 PM

SSG Stan Oliver — Sat, 16 Jan 2016 23:34:41 -0500

Go to the Inspector General and let him know. Don't just sit around and take it. The unit is SUPPOSED to have this thing called a "Duty Roster". Extra duty like CQ does not just pop up on any given day. Also sounds like your PSG is a DUMBASS!!!! Glad I am retired and don't have to play their stupid ass games anymore.

Response by CPL Rod Shier made Jan 19 at 2016 5:34 AM

CPL Rod Shier — Tue, 19 Jan 2016 05:34:37 -0500

As you documented this to Rally Point, do so on formal record and walk over to the IG and talk to them. They have an open door policy and they do not discriminate, not that I know of. Of course, it's been years since I was in the service, however, I had to talk to them when my C/O was on leave. Of course he wasn't happy when he returned, but I got my message across with good results.

Response by MSgt Gary Hinkelman made Jan 19 at 2016 9:38 AM

MSgt Gary Hinkelman — Tue, 19 Jan 2016 09:38:57 -0500

I agree with many comments below. First, maybe you are great and reliable in your job. If so, leaders tend to overuse them.
I'd accept my role in the section, working as hard as I can. Standing up volunteering for all crap jobs. Soon enough you might get promoted. Then this situation could work itself out.

If you feel this strongly wronged. It is time to bring in your supervisor and first sgt. Maybe hold the race card back, asking what is happening.

Response by SPC Roland Flynn made Jan 19 at 2016 1:25 PM

SPC Roland Flynn — Tue, 19 Jan 2016 13:25:06 -0500

Unless you have clear evidence of their decisions being racially motivated you dont have a leg to stand on for discrimination. But I would document every unfair action taken to bulid a case for a transfer request to another unit

Response by SSG John Caples made Jan 19 at 2016 6:30 PM

SSG John Caples — Tue, 19 Jan 2016 18:30:58 -0500

If you wear the stripes, do the job, and pull the face wipes away from the whining you are doing , as long, as I was in the army, and as long as I was a Nco, I preformed my duties along with staff duty , Charge of Quarters, and all the other jobs that come along with being a leader(Nco). I did my job and all those duties up until they medically retired me. You can be a follower or a leader

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2016 5:12 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 20 Jan 2016 05:12:05 -0500

Hey bring it to the 1sg attention, but first of course tell your let your chain command if it does not work skip and take it to the big guy. SGM or CSM.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Jan 20 at 2016 9:53 AM

MCPO Roger Collins — Wed, 20 Jan 2016 09:53:06 -0500

Good grief! WTF has happened to our military? Suck it up, do your job to the best of your ability, you or they get transferred. What a bunch of crybabies! And so many senior NCO and officers offer advice. This isn't a college and we don't have "safe spaces".

Response by SPC Brian Bay made Jan 21 at 2016 5:01 PM

SPC Brian Bay — Thu, 21 Jan 2016 17:01:54 -0500

Go through the motions of receiving the counseling (remember the paper trial that I told you about?). Circle the part where you "DO NOT AGREE" with the content/counseling and get a copy signed by whoever is issuing the counseling. After you have that, RUN, don't walk, to IG and consult with a civilian attorney who specializes in military/employment/EEOC law. Take guidance from there.

Response by SGT Robert Donaldson made Jan 27 at 2016 3:20 AM

SGT Robert Donaldson — Wed, 27 Jan 2016 03:20:41 -0500

Open discrimination. Why who knows. Document it and send it to the IG, discuss issues with the 1sgt and CSM first, give them a chance to fix and if they don't then IG or EEO should get it. This is all BS, I went through this at my last Active Duty Assignment, the Unit was disbanded shortly after I left. Someone else they had singled them out turned in an IG complaint under the Whistleblower Program. He was transferred off the base as a result.

Response by SPC Brian Bay made Jan 29 at 2016 4:02 AM

SPC Brian Bay — Fri, 29 Jan 2016 04:02:34 -0500

Time for the E-4 mafia tactics to come into play. Tie to start scheduling some "appointments" (<---always make sure you can back them up with documentation). Put in for some weekend mileage passes that will be approved in writing so you'll have that before you go...also while on pass, off-duty, etc. if you don't recognize the phone number, don't answer the damn phone!! If you get a text, don't open it. (They can't prove that they left a voicemail or that your phone rang; phone records will just show that a call was placed to your phone) What's to say that you had reception or even took your phone with you? My rule of thumb is that my personal cell phone is for my personal convenience; not my command's electronic leash.

Might want to schedule some SGT's Time Training and take some of the boys up to the IG Office (especially if you have some E-4(P's) that may be up for the Promo Board; arrange for a presentation and some Q&A) Slip the Company Clerk a pack of smokes, can of dip, energy drink or whatever he's into and ask to get a copy of the last few months of duty rosters (make up something like it''s a training aid and you want to quiz some of the soldiers on how to deconflict scheduling).

Head to IG to "Get some clarification" on "an issue that may or may not exist with a soldier under you"...while you're there, get some clarification on your own issue. Collect supporting documentation clandestinely so command doesn't try to cover up or have "...that fucking Private, delete/lose it" conveniently. Shit, if you can get copies of the CQ, Staff Duty Logs, even better!!

Start making nice with your branch manager back at Army HQ and have him/her search out some different vacancies either on-post with other units. Take a few of your NCOER's and drop them off with other units and talk with those S-1's & the CSM's.

When I switched over to SF (support), I delivered pizzas for Dominoes with a Sr. Comms SGT Team Guy; he and I met for lunch over at the compound and he introduced me to the MI Det folks (now I may or may not have stopped by my off-duty, civilian employer and procured some rations...building rapport is key). We worked out a plan and phone calls were made behind the scenes. Once I had a 'New Home' on paper, I began my reenlistment process. Funny thing was that my NCOIC failed Airborne School and was not accepted to go across the fence to the dark side and failed me on my PT test (in the 2-mile run of all events). A few days later I challenged the test and re-took it; I also had a CAV Scout Plt Sgt do the run alongside me (he was pushing for me to go to SFAS) and he timed our run on his own, separate from the 'official time'. I thought I was good to go to reenlist when suddenly my APFT went missing. A couple of phone calls later (and the Group guys getting irritated at their time getting wasted) my team friend called me over for lunch, called the E-7 that I ran with to verify the scores that I received verbally. My team friend and I 'conducted another APFT', I will not confirm or deny if it was a written AFPT or not but the next day, I was able to come into my unit with an official APFT score sheet, signed by E-6 or above. I actually had two original forms (one went to the reenlistment NCO first) then the other to the CDR/1SG.

There's the right way to accomplish your objective, the wrong way and then there's the back way.

Response by MSgt Gary Hinkelman made Jan 29 at 2016 1:43 PM

MSgt Gary Hinkelman — Fri, 29 Jan 2016 13:43:21 -0500

So, you have tons of suggestions. What have you decided to do?

What have you done to improve your situation?

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Jul 9 at 2018 9:47 AM

SGM Bill Frazer — Mon, 09 Jul 2018 09:47:04 -0400

You need to talk with the 1SG, he runs the duty roster- then maybe with the EO counselor.

Response by SP5 Curtis Whittaker made Dec 12 at 2018 11:01 AM

SP5 Curtis Whittaker — Wed, 12 Dec 2018 11:01:12 -0500

I would like to know what was the outcome?

Response by SPC Nancy Greene made Feb 23 at 2020 9:54 AM

SPC Nancy Greene — Sun, 23 Feb 2020 09:54:08 -0500

Definitely a “Good Question”
SGT HectorRojas!
(will send ‘connect’ request so my ‘comments’ do not disappear?
Nancy)

Response by SFC Ralph E Kelley made Feb 23 at 2020 12:11 PM

SFC Ralph E Kelley — Sun, 23 Feb 2020 12:11:59 -0500

All in all it sounds fishy, especially when the perception only Latinos are singled out. Definitely make sure your precepts are accurate before you step out into the limelight.
I was stationed in Panama and we were expect to deploy throughout in Central and South American - special situation where my platoon deliberately (unless this the case) created a fully Latino scout section that could blend more easily into Hispanic urban populations. Since the three different scout sections deployed at different times and location with differing periods deployed - Different ethic groups sometimes pulled the bulk of duties when they were in Home Station. It sometimes 'seemed' that one group (Latinos for Hispanic Countries, Blacks for Caribbean, Whites for areas where Gauchos/European descent) were being targeted if an outsider observed the duties and details. It wasn't Politically Correct, but it was a necessary response to the populations and environments to which we deployed.
It almost always happened when for example; the Latino Section was preparing for deployment while the Gaucho Section was coming off deployment and the Caribbean were deployed.
Without being present at your unit and having seen the situation I can only offer this information for your perusal.
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Army Regulation 220–45, 28 November 2017
"Summary. This revision requires that all locally established methods and procedures for DA Form 6 (Duty Roster) comply with the intent of this regulation."
"Applicability. This regulation applies to the Active Army, the Army National Guard/Army National Guard of the United States, and the U.S. Army Reserve, unless otherwise stated."
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4. Responsibilities
a. Deputy Chief of Staff, G–1 will ensure that commanders establish standard operating procedures to ensure the equitable assignment of duty and accurately track performance.
b. Installation and unit commanders will ensure that procedures for the maintenance of the DA Form 6 are followed, that the DA Form 6 is kept for recording the duty performed by each Soldier in the organization, and that a separate DA Form 6 is maintained for each duty requiring the detail of individuals.
c. All levels of commands to include Active Army, U.S. Army Reserve, and Army National Guard installations and units will—
(1) Ensure that procedures for the maintenance of the DA Form 6 at all levels of command and in all types of organizations are followed.
(2) Ensure that DA Form 6 is kept for recording the duty performed by each Soldier in the organization.
(3) Ensure that a separate DA Form 6 will be maintained for each duty requiring the detail of individuals. All assignments to detail, except authorized special duty details, or other exceptions (see para 7c), will be made in accordance with applicable DA Forms 6.
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Hope this helps
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