What Army Reg addresses the issue of attending PT off the instillation?

Caitlin Williams — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 11:11:55 -0500

I know some events are barred from being made mandatory to attend esp if it requires money to attend or issues with transit and im well aware theres alot of soldiers living in the barracks with no cars. if one of them fails to come to PT that is being held off base,that is still grounds for a counseling or are they not required to attend because of said location of where its being held. sure cant force soldiers to buy a car or use a taxi that much i know.

Response by SPC Stewart Smith made Dec 13 at 2019 11:22 AM

SPC Stewart Smith — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 11:22:44 -0500

If your unit tells you that pt is 18 miles away at steep mountain for a company run, then the company is required to provide transportation. What's the distance that they want you to travel? Why would it cost money?

Response by MSG Gary Eckert made Dec 13 at 2019 11:26 AM

MSG Gary Eckert — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 11:26:06 -0500

Normally, the unit will have a transportation plan for those that reside in the Barracks. They could also do local travel orders if the numbers weren't sufficient to provide transportation. That's the official answer, if this is a once and done event, Soldiers tend to be resourceful rather then risk the wrath of their CoC,

Response by SFC Kelly Fuerhoff made Dec 13 at 2019 11:29 AM

SFC Kelly Fuerhoff — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 11:29:30 -0500

We have PT on the other side of base sometimes - and everyone makes it. Why? Soldiers in the barracks with no cars get a ride from the ones who do have a car. Or NCOs will give them a ride.

If someone doesn't get ahold of their leadership before formation, they are going to be listed as out of ranks or failure to report. I have had my soldiers text me "hey the gate is backed up because there was an accident on the interstate" or if they had car troubles or whatever reason. I have had to text to let them know I was not going to be there for whatever reason. If you let someone know why you can't make it, you won't usually get counseled. But if you just don't show up - no. You're getting counseled or you should.

However a counseling doesn't really mean a lot unless it becomes a pattern and then it's needed for UCMJ action.

Why are you asking this question since you don't appear to be in the military at all?

Response by CSM Richard StCyr made Dec 13 at 2019 11:45 AM

CSM Richard StCyr — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 11:45:44 -0500

Pt is covered in a slew of regs : AR 350-1, AR 600-20, FM 7-22 and a few DA Pams. You can argue the inconvenience of the location but experience tells me you'd be on the short end of the stick.
As a young troop I'd coordinate with my buddies for a ride before I had my own vehicle if the Squad Leader didn't lay on the truck. That said... as a Squad Leader I used to either pick my guys up, coordinate a battle buddy for them or get an off post dispatch for our dump truck and load the crew on it and roll from the barracks.
See ya at the lake for raft PT at 0530. Be there or be square.

Response by MAJ Javier Rivera made Dec 13 at 2019 12:01 PM

MAJ Javier Rivera — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 12:01:19 -0500

Am 100% sure there is more in the story but, for the sake of discussion...

... Soldier can bring any issues to his/her supervisor right away, and trust me, it will corrected shortly after if no immediately!

2. Unit PT, like any other unit activities, are scheduled and posted in advanced. See 1 above.

3. Soldiers living in the barracks would not have a spouse inquiring for an issue. Unless a Geo Bachelor and that’s another headache on its own merit!

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 13 at 2019 12:22 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 12:22:16 -0500

A lot of missing info here. When was the time and place put out? Was there ample time to find a ride? Did the soldier call his CoC and tell them he didn't have a ride? Etc. Etc. As far as the counselling is concerned, that is just a record of a conversation. It will say he failed to show up for PT and he can agree or disagree with it and write his explanation for whatever happened. It's not a big deal. Unless your file has 10 such counselling's in which case there's an issue somewhere.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 13 at 2019 12:34 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 12:34:05 -0500

Unit PRT....regardless of where it is held, is required to attend unless otherwise excused. If it is being held off base, and no personally owned vehicle is present, then it is the Soldier's responsibility to obtain transportation to said PRT......which is posted and known well in advance. If no other Soldiers are able to provide a ride, that is when the Soldier in question needs to address this......beforehand.....with their Team Leader and/or Squad Leader. Sure, the Team Leader and/or Squad Leader should ask if anyone needs a ride. If that was asked and no one spoke up......then whose fault is it for not showing up for PRT? Even if there was a previously established ride but then that ride fell thru/flaked out...then the Soldier in question should have contacted their NCO to say they do now need a ride. But to answer your question...Yes, the Soldier in question can certainly receive a counseling statement.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Dec 13 at 2019 1:30 PM

SGM Bill Frazer — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 13:30:07 -0500

This smells very fishy, normally if a unit holds PT at a location off post, or far from the unit they will have transportation. Be it 2 1/2tn, 5tn Military trucks of 80 pax units or buses.

Response by CPL Gary Pifer made Dec 13 at 2019 1:47 PM

CPL Gary Pifer — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 13:47:15 -0500

Be grateful your Husband is alive and well.. Go visit a Gold Star widow and tell her how bad you have it and life is unfair.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Dec 13 at 2019 3:02 PM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 15:02:27 -0500

The refs were listed by others. Any unit holding off base training would have to account for transportation, whether by bus or organized share ride. Either way they would have to attend.