What are your thoughts on the garrison crackdown on...well..."crack down?"

CH (MAJ) William Beaver — Wed, 06 May 2015 14:49:12 -0400

There is a renewed emphasis on military posts across the services on cracking down on 'poor wear' of civilian clothes. What are your thoughts on this effort? Will it make much of an impact? Have YOU been fined for showing a bit too much skin?? I'm not sure of the overall lasting effects of this new emphasis. One thing is for certain, however. I will enjoy being out in public on post at the PX enjoying my Starbucks without trying to avoid seeing someone's "Spongebob Square Pants!"

Response by CH (MAJ) William Beaver made May 6 at 2015 2:53 PM

CH (MAJ) William Beaver — Wed, 06 May 2015 14:53:34 -0400

PULL UP YOUR PANTS!

Response by 1LT Nick Kidwell made May 6 at 2015 2:57 PM

1LT Nick Kidwell — Wed, 06 May 2015 14:57:14 -0400

Wear them pants and use that belt, or me and Mr. Staplegun will help you!

I do NOT wanna see another person's chonies...or worse.

Response by COL Jean (John) F. B. made May 6 at 2015 3:00 PM

COL Jean (John) F. B. — Wed, 06 May 2015 15:00:23 -0400

I have no problem with this, at all. Perfectly reasonable to enforce standards of dress on a military installation.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2015 3:00 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 06 May 2015 15:00:50 -0400

We are expected to convey ourselves as professionals on and off duty. No more should have to be said.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2015 3:07 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 06 May 2015 15:07:12 -0400

You know, when I was a police officer, these were my favorite kinds of offenders - the ones that would commit a crime & then try to flee w/ their pants halfway down their butts. Its hard to run while holding whatever it is you stole in one arm, and holding your pants up w/ the other.

Sometimes they would forget to hold their pants up & fall face first onto the ground.

It is a horrible fashion that, I believe, would be discarded if those that wear their pants this way knew how it originated: in prisons, inmates would announce that they were 'available' by wearing the bottoms of their suits halfway down their butts.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2015 3:11 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 06 May 2015 15:11:19 -0400

I think it is great but the sad part is aside from the dependents alot of them are Soldiers and they should know better because it is covered in AR670-1.

When on duty in civilian clothes or off duty and outside of their personal dwelling, Army personnel will present a professional image that does not detract from the profession, unless specifically exempted by the commander for specific mission requirements.

Pretty sure this does not include but cracks and underwear......

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made May 6 at 2015 3:11 PM

Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS — Wed, 06 May 2015 15:11:48 -0400

Wearing civilian attire is a privilege not a Right.

If you can't wear it appropriately, you can quickly find yourself only wearing uniforms. We have uniforms for every occasion.

It's actually very simple. Failure to wear civilian attire correctly will result in wearing the Service uniform in off-duty hours unless you have been granted Leave.

Response by MAJ Anthony DeStefano made May 6 at 2015 3:43 PM

MAJ Anthony DeStefano — Wed, 06 May 2015 15:43:59 -0400

Should not be necessary in the military but it unfortunately most definitely IS! Society is very liberal these days and soldiers come from that environment and are influenced by it...if we do impart initially and continue to instill discipline throughout a career long path, it will end badly for our service and for the soldier...

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2015 3:51 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 06 May 2015 15:51:13 -0400

I don't think "inappropriate" civilian clothes is as big of an issue as all the stories about it would have us believe. In the last decade I've probably only seen 3-5 Soldiers dressed like this on post. But then again I don't hang around the PX food court on the weekend...

What worries me about it is, we have Soldier that won't comply with guidance/directive from a fellow Soldier/superior NCO/officer without needing to see it in writing from a general. Trust me, our senior leaders have bigger things to worry about than this. The fact that this has (apparently) become such an issue in some places that the GOs need to get involved is troubling.

Response by MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca made May 6 at 2015 3:56 PM

MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca — Wed, 06 May 2015 15:56:05 -0400

For the life of me I can't figure how or why this is fashionable or comfortable!

Response by MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca made May 6 at 2015 3:56 PM

MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca — Wed, 06 May 2015 15:56:11 -0400

Do you use suspenders or a garter belt to keep those pan's up?

Response by MSgt Brian Welch made May 6 at 2015 4:03 PM

MSgt Brian Welch — Wed, 06 May 2015 16:03:38 -0400

This is a tough one. I'm conflicted between saying it's inappropriate while on an installation and whether it's difficulty to enforce is worthwhile. With the high demands put on our military members today with much more frequent deployments and such I'm more inclined to say let it go. The other side of my brain really hates the foolish immature look of it. I would recommend to my Airman to pull them up if I had seen one of them doing it regardless of policy and I'd share with them the value appearances. This kind of appearance if seen and remembered by the right person could be the difference between a BTZ selection or other various considerations.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2015 4:16 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 06 May 2015 16:16:56 -0400

I just irks me when people (mostly males) walk around with their pants sagging/hanging off their ass. For Heaven's sake, pull your pants up and wear a belt. No one wants to see their underwear.

Response by SSgt Mary Kelly Anderson made May 6 at 2015 5:29 PM

SSgt Mary Kelly Anderson — Wed, 06 May 2015 17:29:02 -0400

If it brings discredit to the military, it should not be worn. Pants hanging so far below the waist line that the person has to walk with their legs pushed apart to keep them from falling down is not appropriate attire. Kudos to the comment about wearing civilian clothes being a privilege. I would have no problem putting someone in a uniform that showed up like that in front of me.

Response by SGT Bryon Sergent made May 6 at 2015 6:11 PM

SGT Bryon Sergent — Wed, 06 May 2015 18:11:44 -0400

I think that showing you A$$ is inappropriate regardless if you have underwear on or not! Pull them up!

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2015 6:16 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 06 May 2015 18:16:07 -0400

Padre, pardon my language but its about damn time. I have always hated seeing other peoples underwear.

Response by LTJG Robert M. made May 7 at 2015 9:48 AM

LTJG Robert M. — Thu, 07 May 2015 09:48:01 -0400

Said this on another similar thread, but it is really a sad commentary when this became a fashion trend, it started in the prison environment and signified you were available to be another prisoners "girlfriend" and now society thinks it is cool.

Response by SrA Edward Vong made May 7 at 2015 10:32 AM

SrA Edward Vong — Thu, 07 May 2015 10:32:32 -0400

To me, I can care less, you might look stupid to me, but hey IDGAF, doesn't affect my life..