What are you prepared to do in the event of a mass shooting?

CPO Andy Carrillo, MS — Fri, 02 Oct 2015 17:05:02 -0400

As shooting incidents seem to become more frequent what have you prepared yourself and your family to do should you ever be involved with an 'active shooter' in a public place? I have a friend (single mom veteran) who will be transferring to an online college program rather than risk dealing with a loner-loser who might 'go off' in a classroom? Suggestions on how best to prepare? Google 'bulletproof blankets' which are available for students.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/2/chris-mintz-heroic-army-veteran-was-shot-7-times-a/

Chris Mintz, ‘heroic’ Army veteran, was shot 7 times as he charged Chris Harper Mercer in Oregon

Chris Mintz, an Army veteran, was shot seven times when he charged straight at the gunman in an effort to save other students during the shooting rampage at Umpqua Community College Thursday morning.

Response by 1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 2 at 2015 5:06 PM

1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 02 Oct 2015 17:06:27 -0400

I guess you will have to shoot at me to find out.

Response by TSgt David L. made Oct 2 at 2015 5:09 PM

TSgt David L. — Fri, 02 Oct 2015 17:09:57 -0400

As a licensed concealed carrier and well trained I would close with the shooter while taking cover/concealment and direct folks to safety while trying for a well placed kill shot.

Response by SGT Patrick Reno made Oct 2 at 2015 5:17 PM

SGT Patrick Reno — Fri, 02 Oct 2015 17:17:01 -0400

Hope people will know that this man is a HERO.

Response by CPO Andy Carrillo, MS made Oct 2 at 2015 5:17 PM

CPO Andy Carrillo, MS — Fri, 02 Oct 2015 17:17:31 -0400

Fortunately I live in a Constitutional Carry state where both my wife and I are prepared to protect ourselves then help others. We discuss 'what if' scenarios to enhance our situational awareness.

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Oct 2 at 2015 5:29 PM

LTC Stephen F. — Fri, 02 Oct 2015 17:29:19 -0400

CPO Andy Carrillo, MS I think my training and experience would help as adrenaline pumped me up to either do what was necessary or else to distract the perpetrator(s).

Response by SSgt Terry P. made Oct 2 at 2015 5:29 PM

SSgt Terry P. — Fri, 02 Oct 2015 17:29:32 -0400

CPO Andy Carrillo, MS Have to see when the situation happens.

Response by MAJ Jim Woods made Oct 2 at 2015 5:40 PM

MAJ Jim Woods — Fri, 02 Oct 2015 17:40:26 -0400

As we have seen over the past 2 months (Paris Train incident and now this), most of us would rush to get control of the situation. It really doesn't seem to matter what Branch of Service.

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Oct 2 at 2015 5:49 PM

Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS — Fri, 02 Oct 2015 17:49:51 -0400

Mass Shootings are "Statistically Unlikely" and are being portrayed in such a fashion as to cause mass hysteria, to promote a political agenda.

As I have said in other threads, Mass Shootings are not Criminal in nature. They are (generally speaking) the result of Mental Health (Medical) or Ideological issues. Simply put, you cannot account for Crazy.

Now all that said, Gen. Mattis said it best.

http://www.duffelblog.com/2015/07/marine-plan-to-kill-everyone-he-meets/

‘Emotionally Exhausted’ Marine's Plan Kills Everyone He Meets

It's the only correct way for a true Marine to behave.

Response by SFC Everett Oliver made Oct 2 at 2015 6:22 PM

SFC Everett Oliver — Fri, 02 Oct 2015 18:22:51 -0400

I''ll not be out and about without a weapon. I refuse to go to a Gun free zone unless I have no choice. I would much rather have a gun and not need it than need a gun and not have it.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 2 at 2015 6:29 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 02 Oct 2015 18:29:15 -0400

"Other". A lot depends on the circumstances.

If I'm armed and can get a clear shot, engage (I have a CCW). If I can't get a clear shot, try to safeguard an area where civilians can escape or hide. Distract the gunman myself if I have to: "Hey, lookit me, I'm running THIS way" (while the civvies run THAT way).

Unarmed? Try to organize safe area and evacuate people. But if discovered and unable to flee, throw *anything* at them and try to tackle them and make their ranged weapon useless.

Response by MAJ David Wallace made Oct 2 at 2015 6:32 PM

MAJ David Wallace — Fri, 02 Oct 2015 18:32:13 -0400

As I am currently working in law enforcement as a patrol supervisor, I plan on moving to the sound of the guns and stopping the threat. We are living in dangerous times and we need to all be prepared to protect ourselves, our families, and our communities.

Response by SFC Wade W. made Oct 2 at 2015 6:37 PM

SFC Wade W. — Fri, 02 Oct 2015 18:37:30 -0400

I would use my carry weapon, Springfield .40, to stop the shooter.

Response by SGT Michael Glenn made Oct 2 at 2015 7:01 PM

SGT Michael Glenn — Fri, 02 Oct 2015 19:01:13 -0400

It all depends on the situation and if I see a way to neutralize the threat without causing further chaos, and do it fast, the longer one waits the fewer chances there are.

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Oct 2 at 2015 8:35 PM

CPT Jack Durish — Fri, 02 Oct 2015 20:35:11 -0400

Die. I live in the Ideocracy of California where citizens aren't allowed to defend themselves.

Response by SSG Jonathan Appling made Oct 2 at 2015 9:34 PM

SSG Jonathan Appling — Fri, 02 Oct 2015 21:34:14 -0400

Unarmed: comply and try to transition yourself toward a position of cover . if someone can distract or lure them toward their goal point maybe another person could get away to get help or position their self to overwhelm or surprise the bad person. If it's a less than deadly confrontation- fight to get away when outnumbered or the other person ambushes you.

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Oct 2 at 2015 9:34 PM

CSM Charles Hayden — Fri, 02 Oct 2015 21:34:32 -0400

CPO Andy Carrillo, MS Now that POTUS is going to politicize the private ownership of guns, the problem will be solved.

Of course POTUS could work on early ID, mandatory treatment and/or confinement for these unbalanced people. Guns are not the problem!

Response by SGT Jerrold Pesz made Oct 2 at 2015 9:36 PM

SGT Jerrold Pesz — Fri, 02 Oct 2015 21:36:25 -0400

You sure don't want to do what the government tells people to do. I watched a video put out by FEMA (I think) that tells you to hide under a desk and it that fails throw books or something at him.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 2 at 2015 10:09 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 02 Oct 2015 22:09:09 -0400

When I have to worry bout the "random" acts of violence that I may or may not encounter because of the uniform I put on everyday something Is dysfunctional.
That being said. Both at work and at home myself and HH6 are proficient in defending ourselves. At work myself and my co workers have a Active Shooter plan in place. Best defense is a sound offense.

Response by Sgt Ken Prescott made Oct 2 at 2015 10:35 PM

Sgt Ken Prescott — Fri, 02 Oct 2015 22:35:27 -0400

Notify 911, assist others in escaping the area, and go hand-to-hand with the shooter if need be.

If such an event occurs...it will be a good day to fight; it will be a good day to die. Getting shot in the chest hurts just as much as getting shot in the back; and it is far better to go out in a single blaze of glory than to slowly fade away.

Response by SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 2 at 2015 11:08 PM

SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 02 Oct 2015 23:08:08 -0400

I saw someone set up a GoFundMe account today for him to help raise $10k for medical bills and things, in 12 hours they are already over $470,000 raised.

https://www.gofundme.com/s75ge9y4

Click here to support Chris Mintz - UCC Shooting Survivor by Derek Bourgeois

Yesterday my cousin Chris Mintz was shot 7 times while trying to protect others from the gunman at Umpqua Community College. He is a father, a veteran, a student, and now he's a hero. During the shooting both of his legs were broken and he is going to have to go through a ton of physical therapy....

Response by SSgt David Tedrow made Oct 3 at 2015 12:23 AM

SSgt David Tedrow — Sat, 03 Oct 2015 00:23:36 -0400

I would take any and all necessary action to protect myself and others. I am basically armed or have one near me 24/7. I am trained and willing to use my training.

Response by CPO Andy Carrillo, MS made Oct 3 at 2015 12:30 AM

CPO Andy Carrillo, MS — Sat, 03 Oct 2015 00:30:10 -0400

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/609395/Chris-Harper-Mercer-shooter-Oregon-Umpqua-Community-College

Chris Harper-Mercer: Shooter who killed 10 was BRITISH and an IRA-supporting Nazi fanatic

EXCLUSIVE: THE shooter who killed at least 10 people at a US college has been identified as 26-year-old Briton Chris Harper-Mercer, who appeared to have bought Nazi paraphernalia online and supported the IRA.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 3 at 2015 1:41 AM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 03 Oct 2015 01:41:51 -0400

I've been tasked as an Active Shooter Warden on the floor of the building I work in. Hopefully, I never have to witness an active shooter event.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cirg/active-shooter-and-mass-casualty-incidents/run-hide-fight-video

Run, Hide, Fight Video

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 3 at 2015 2:33 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 03 Oct 2015 02:33:35 -0400

This article best defines those of us that are considered 'sheepdogs' and what thoughts and actions we would invoke: An analogy of people through: SHEEP, WOLVES, AND SHEEPDOGS

Jill Edwards, a junior math major at the University of Washington, and a member of the UW student senate, opposed a memorial to U graduate "Pappy" Boyington. Boyington was a U.S. Marine aviator who earned the Medal of Honor in World War II. Edwards said that she didn't think it was appropriate to honor a person who killed other people. She also said that a member of the Marine Corps was NOT an example of the sort of person the University of Washington wanted to produce. What follows is Gen. Dula's letter to the University of Washington student senate leader. Read and comprehend what is being said, and decide if you want to be a "sheep".

To: Edwards, Jill (student, U)
Subject: SHEEP, WOLVES, AND SHEEPDOGS
Miss Edwards, I read of your 'student activity' regarding the proposed memorial to Col Greg Boyington, USMC and a Medal of Honor winner. I suspect you will receive a bellyful of angry e-mails from conservative folks like me. You may be too young to appreciate fully the sacrifices of generations of
servicemen and servicewomen on whose shoulders you and your fellow students stand. I forgive you for the untutored ways of youth and your naiveté. It may be that you are, simply, a sheep. There's no dishonor in being a sheep - - as long as you know and accept what you are. Please take a couple of minutes to read the following. And be grateful for the millions of American sheepdogs who permit you the freedom to express even bad ideas.
Brett Dula
Sheepdog, retired

ON SHEEP, WOLVES, AND SHEEPDOGS - By LTC(RET) Dave Grossman, RANGER, Ph.D., author of "On Killing."

Honor never grows old, and honor rejoices the heart of age. It does so because honor is, finally, about defending those noble and worthy things that deserve defending, even if it comes at a high cost. In our time, that may mean social disapproval, public scorn, hardship, persecution, or as always, even death itself.
The question remains:
What is worth defending?
What is worth dying for?
What is worth living for?

- William J. Bennett - in a lecture to the United States Naval Academy November 24, 1997

One Vietnam veteran, an old retired colonel, once said this to me: "Most of the people in our society are sheep. They are kind, gentle, productive creatures who can only hurt one another by accident."
This is true. Remember, the murder rate is six per 100,000 per year, and the aggravated assault rate is four per 1,000 per year. What this means is that the vast majority of Americans are not inclined to hurt one another. Some estimates say that two million Americans are victims of violent crimes every year, a tragic, staggering number, perhaps an all-time record rate of violent crime. But there are almost 300 million Americans, which means that the odds of being a victim of violent crime is considerably
less than one in a hundred on any given year. Furthermore, since many violent crimes are committed by repeat offenders, the actual number of violent citizens is considerably less than two million. Thus there is a paradox, and we must grasp both ends of the situation: We may well be in the most violent times in history, but violence is still remarkably rare. This is because most citizens are kind, decent people who are not capable of hurting each other, except by accident or under extreme provocation. They are sheep.
I mean nothing negative by calling them sheep. To me, it is like the pretty, blue robin's egg. Inside it is soft and gooey but someday it will grow into something wonderful. But the egg cannot survive without its hard blue shell. Police officers, soldiers, and other warriors are like that shell, and someday the civilization they protect will grow into something wonderful. For now, though, they need warriors to protect them from the predators. "Then there are the wolves," the old war veteran said, "and the wolves
feed on the sheep without mercy." Do you believe there are wolves out there who will feed on the flock without mercy? You had better believe it. There are evil men in this world and they are capable of evil deeds. The moment you forget that or pretend it is not so, you become a sheep. There is no safety in denial. "Then there are sheepdogs," he went on, "and I'm a sheepdog. I live to protect the flock and confront the wolf." If you have no capacity for violence then you are a healthy productive citizen, a sheep. If you have a capacity for violence and no empathy for your fellow citizens, then you have defined an aggressive sociopath, a wolf. But what if you have a capacity for violence, and a deep love for your
fellow citizens? What do you have then? You have a sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero's path, someone who can walk into the heart of darkness, into the universal human phobia, and walk out unscathed. Let me expand on this old soldier's excellent model of the sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs. We know that the sheep live in denial, that is what makes them sheep. They do not want to believe that there is evil in the world. They can accept the fact that fires can happen, which is why they want fire extinguishers, fire sprinklers, fire alarms and fire exits throughout their kids' schools. But many of them are outraged at the idea of putting an armed police officer in their kid's school. Our children are thousands of times more likely to be killed or seriously injured by school violence than fire, but the sheep’s only response to the possibility of violence is denial. The idea of someone coming to kill or harm their child is just too hard, and so they chose the path of denial. The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, cannot and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheep dog that intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours. Still, the sheepdog disturbs the sheep. He is a constant reminder that there are wolves in the land. They would prefer that he didn't tell them where to go, or give them traffic tickets, or stand at the ready in our airports, in camouflage fatigues, holding an M-16. The sheep would much rather have the sheepdog cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white, and go, "Baa" until the wolf shows up. Then the entire flock tries desperately to hide behind one lonely sheepdog. The students, the victims, at Columbine High School were big, tough high school students, and under ordinary circumstances they would not have had
the time of day for a police officer. They were not bad kids; they just had nothing to say to a cop. When the school was under attack, however, and SWAT teams were clearing the rooms and hallways, the officers had to physically peel those clinging, sobbing kids off of them. This is how the little lambs feel about their sheepdog when the wolf is at the door. Look at what happened after September 11, 2001 when the wolf pounded hard on the door. Remember how America, more than ever before, felt differently about their law enforcement officers and military personnel? Remember how many times you heard the word hero? Understand that there is nothing morally superior about being a sheepdog; it is just what you choose to be. Also understand that a sheepdog is a funny critter: He is always sniffing around out on the perimeter, checking the breeze, barking at things that go bump in the night, and yearning for a righteous battle. That is, the young sheepdogs yearn for a righteous battle.

The old sheepdogs are a little older and wiser, but they move to the sound of the guns when needed, right along with the young ones. Here is how the sheep and the sheepdog think differently. The sheep
pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day. After the attacks on September 11, 2001, most of the sheep, that is, most citizens in America said, "Thank God I wasn't on one of those planes." The sheepdogs, the warriors, said, "Dear God, I wish I could have been on one of those planes. Maybe I could have made a difference." When you are truly transformed into a warrior and have truly invested yourself into warriorhood, you want to be there. You want to be able to make a difference.

There is nothing morally superior about the sheepdog, the warrior, but he does have one real advantage. Only one. And that is that he is able to survive and thrive in an environment that destroys 98 percent of the population.

Response by SSG Jesus Sijalbo made Oct 3 at 2015 3:21 AM

SSG Jesus Sijalbo — Sat, 03 Oct 2015 03:21:11 -0400

God Bless you Chris Mintz. Thank you! God Bless.

Response by GySgt Moses Lozano made Oct 3 at 2015 10:42 AM

GySgt Moses Lozano — Sat, 03 Oct 2015 10:42:46 -0400

The situation will always dictate. There is way to predict where you will be once the shooting starts as far as position, available weapons, cell phone reception ect...

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 3 at 2015 11:44 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 03 Oct 2015 11:44:54 -0400

CPO Andy Carrillo, MS It's unfortunate that today we and our children must think about how we would react in this type of situation.

Response by SPC Luis Mendez made Oct 3 at 2015 3:57 PM

SPC Luis Mendez — Sat, 03 Oct 2015 15:57:25 -0400

That's why is so important to Pray once you're out of bed, 'cause you don't know when the Lord is going to call you Home. I can't run much anymore so I guess I'll duck and hide preferably above the shooter and then look for something to throw at him from above. All along I'll be doing my prayers in case is my day to go home.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 3 at 2015 11:24 PM

SCPO Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 03 Oct 2015 23:24:53 -0400

I carry 24/7, no matter where I am or what some dumbass sign says. I had a number of gun-drawing episodes during my police career. None since retirement in 2002. But I will not be caught unarmed and unprepared.

Response by CMSgt James Nolan made Oct 4 at 2015 2:33 AM

CMSgt James Nolan — Sun, 04 Oct 2015 02:33:20 -0400

And, I echo language on the poster/meme of my favorite General, James Mattis, when he said "Be polite, be professional, and have a plan to kill everyone you meet".
Never go anywhere that you don't have a plan to get out of. Gone are the days when you can just walk around blindly.

Response by Capt Christian D. Orr made Oct 4 at 2015 8:33 AM

Capt Christian D. Orr — Sun, 04 Oct 2015 08:33:05 -0400

Quite simple: draw my CCW piece and shoot the scumbag SOB.

Response by Sgt Michael Johnson made Oct 4 at 2015 8:42 AM

Sgt Michael Johnson — Sun, 04 Oct 2015 08:42:00 -0400

I have always been the one to confront situations head on and run to the danger. It's really not an ego thing; I am just wired that way.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 4 at 2015 1:52 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 04 Oct 2015 13:52:27 -0400

I hope I will go offensive ... but until it happen ... I can only wish ... I would rather die rushing toward the gunman than kneeing and begging.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Oct 4 at 2015 5:28 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Sun, 04 Oct 2015 17:28:19 -0400

Get situational awareness, and who knows how I will react.

Response by SGT Rick Ash made Oct 4 at 2015 8:50 PM

SGT Rick Ash — Sun, 04 Oct 2015 20:50:08 -0400

I carry so would be prepared. If the bad guy thinks he can shield himself just give me an inch, anything. I'll put a .45 cal hollow point through it. I practice daily, 6 years military and am prepared for an event like this if that's possible.

Response by Capt Walter Miller made Oct 4 at 2015 10:11 PM

Capt Walter Miller — Sun, 04 Oct 2015 22:11:12 -0400

If you found yourself in a situation where you are carrying, probably a hand gun, and you want to take on some armed ass hyped up on how easy "Gears of War" is, you have to factor in what happens when the police arrive. Because they will shoot you on sight.

Walt

Response by CW4 Russ Hamilton (Ret) made Oct 4 at 2015 11:27 PM

CW4 Russ Hamilton (Ret) — Sun, 04 Oct 2015 23:27:51 -0400

I am prepared to do anything and everything – I will not be a victim who is easily killed. I am a retired state trooper and have served in the Army/Army Reserve for 37 years. I am a strong advocate of concealed carry and eliminating “Gun Free Zones”, which makes it easy for killers to kill without fear of being stopped before they can execute their defenseless victims. It should be painfully obvious why shooters usually choose schools – they don’t have to worry about anyone being armed. Campus police can’t be in every classroom and even worse, elementary, middle and high schools usually only have one officer present (if any). This is why I also advocate allowing school staff to be permitted to carry concealed on school grounds. Both my wife and I always carry concealed – even in places posted “No Guns.” If you’ve concealed your weapon properly they will never know. I strongly recommend to all of you: Get trained, learn the law, be mentally prepared, get a good weapon and carry concealed. At least give yourself a chance if God forbid you are ever placed in such a horrible position.

Don’t be fooled people, this is NOT and gun control issue and WILL NOT be stopped by creating more restrictive gun laws.

Response by SPC Christopher Perrien made Oct 5 at 2015 6:40 AM

SPC Christopher Perrien — Mon, 05 Oct 2015 06:40:14 -0400

GTFO, it won't be no movie.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 5 at 2015 7:17 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 05 Oct 2015 07:17:45 -0400

I put other because of the statistical improbability of a mass shooting event. Ultimately, in most cases whee you would need a firearm, simply showing that you have one is sufficient. An overwhelming majority of self defense firearms never need to be fired to diffuse a hostile situation. If an assailant already has a gun out and is actively engaged in targeting and killing people in a public space, your best bet is to take cover and go on the defensive. For us . . . let that training kick in, but don't immediately attempt to engage the assailant without ensuring your own safety.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 5 at 2015 9:27 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 05 Oct 2015 09:27:28 -0400

I'll make certain my DD Form 93, and SGLV Form 8286 is updated.

Response by MSG Brad Sand made Oct 5 at 2015 11:47 AM

MSG Brad Sand — Mon, 05 Oct 2015 11:47:45 -0400

From past experience, I trust that training, inside and outside of the military, would kick in and I would take the action necessary. I cannot say go 'on the offensive' for sure because the situation will dictate the correct actions. I can tell you, I am not going to allow someone to walk up to me with a firearm and ask me if I am a Christian or not and wait for my answer without them getting throat punched, kicked in the groin and then clubbed in the head with their own weapon.

For the record, I am and I would forgive and pray for the attacker, regardless of the outcome, but I would teach him that turning the other cheek does not mean not defend yourself and others but to not be the lost soul that commits such terrible crimes.

Response by SrA Jonathan Carbonaro made Oct 5 at 2015 1:33 PM

SrA Jonathan Carbonaro — Mon, 05 Oct 2015 13:33:22 -0400

These are the steps I would follow.
The Military teaches to get off the X. So the first thing I would do is grab my family member/s depending on who I'm with, and move them with me to cover. If Cover is not available, Move them to concealment. Then proceed to egress out of the area to a "safe area". While doing this keep gun holstered, but my hand near it.
If I were to draw my gun, I may be mistaken as the shooter and get shot when police arrive on scene. If I'm in the area directly affected by the gunman. The First steps remain the same, move myself and my family behind cover. Get them to move using the cover to get to a safe area, and engage the shooter. The moment I engange I know my life expectancy goes down as I have just made myself a target so I want my family to be out of the way when I do this. When I kill him, because if you're shooting at me I will end you. Make sure the scene is ok and their are no more shooters. Clear the weapon, set it on the ground and place my hands above my head and wait for the police.

The Last thing you want is to have the gun in your hands when the police are responding to a active shooter. In that scenario you may get one warning to drop the weapon before they end you.

Response by MSG Kirt Highberger made Oct 5 at 2015 9:55 PM

MSG Kirt Highberger — Mon, 05 Oct 2015 21:55:15 -0400

Return fIre, if threat is clear of innocents. Reduce threat to others as quickly as possible.

Response by Sgt Matt Koeneman made Oct 6 at 2015 6:49 AM

Sgt Matt Koeneman — Tue, 06 Oct 2015 06:49:07 -0400

I move towards the sound of trouble. I go to where i'm needed and will render any and all aid i am capable of. My oath didn't because my contract did.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 6 at 2015 10:30 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 Oct 2015 10:30:41 -0400

Get low, get your bearings, and head the opposite way. That is what I told my daughter. If I am in it, most likely be responding. I'll figure it out based on the AO I am at.

Response by SGT Bryon Sergent made Oct 6 at 2015 10:34 AM

SGT Bryon Sergent — Tue, 06 Oct 2015 10:34:45 -0400

Well I have thought about it. But MOST place that are places of employment do not allow their personnel to carry while at work. Most Colleges don't allow it's students to carry either. So I really couldn't say. Hopefully my training would kick in and I do what ever happens. If I was carrying it would be a different scenario all together.

Response by SPC Andrew Griffin made Oct 6 at 2015 1:46 PM

SPC Andrew Griffin — Tue, 06 Oct 2015 13:46:37 -0400

Shield my Family! Protect them! Also as a Minister in Training being available to atleast off Prayer and Counseling for those who may need it!

Response by MAJ Ron Peery made Oct 6 at 2015 3:49 PM

MAJ Ron Peery — Tue, 06 Oct 2015 15:49:23 -0400

Always armed, always ready, and I practice every week.

Response by SSG Wayne Wood made Oct 6 at 2015 10:19 PM

SSG Wayne Wood — Tue, 06 Oct 2015 22:19:41 -0400

I believe from my experiences in the Army and nineteen years of teaching school, where I had to break up some serious fights and brawls I would run to the "sound of the guns." Not only my training, but my natural inclination to not want to miss anything would kick in. I believe those of us with military training and experience are in a better position to respond to such situations. When I hear of these things happening I often ask the TV, "why didn't someone at least TRY to resist!!!???" I was not surprised to find a veteran did. Both my wife and I have had conceal/carry permits for years but I seldom carried because local law made their own rules so one never knew where one stood on carrying. A recent change in the law(s) have simplified matters greatly, I now intend to be carrying much more often. One never knows and it is better to be safe than sorry IMO. Sorry so long.

Response by PO1 Glenn Boucher made Oct 7 at 2015 12:52 PM

PO1 Glenn Boucher — Wed, 07 Oct 2015 12:52:27 -0400

I answered other because I am not certain what I would do, yes I have thought about what might potentially happen if I am caught up in a shooting situation.
I would like to think I would do the right thing, call 911, and try to help as many people as possible to escape to relative safety.
I honestly hope I never have to be in that situation.

Response by Maj Mike Sciales made Oct 8 at 2015 12:45 PM

Maj Mike Sciales — Thu, 08 Oct 2015 12:45:46 -0400

I'd have to evaluate the situation as it presents itself. If in a room without a shooter -- lock the door, call 911 and report, stack any items against it, turn off the lights and lay flat against the wall closest to the hallway door you just locked. If in the room with the shooter, throw whatever you can to distract, deflect and move forward. This is a hard question because it's too fluid a situation for anybody to say with certainty what they would or wouldn't do. I've had a fair bit of training and I can't say.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 8 at 2015 3:00 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 08 Oct 2015 15:00:59 -0400

Escape and Evade if possible .....otherwise hunker down and wait for rescue. Am assuming of course like every good law abiding citizen I did not take my weapon into church with me.