VOTE: Does this Soldier have a Concealed Carry Permit. Yes or No?

2014-05-02T22:18:26-04:00

I'm pretty confident that she has a 'Concealed Carry' license...especially with the gun in her waist-band. <--sarcasm

Response by SSG Robert Burns made May 2 at 2014 10:21 PM

2014-05-02T22:21:17-04:00

Maybe she's concealing her rank?

Response by Maj Walter Kilar made May 2 at 2014 10:31 PM

2014-05-02T22:31:45-04:00

Even if she has a concealed carry permit, I hope the Darwin Effect kicks in and eliminates one foolish person from the gene pool.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2014 10:50 PM

2014-05-02T22:50:41-04:00

That's C Co, 262nd QM BN, 23rd QM BDE at Fort Lee, Virginia. She has jump wings, no rank, and I was just standing on that drill pad in August in AIT. This needs to be reported, she's in IET right now.

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made May 2 at 2014 11:32 PM

2014-05-02T23:32:47-04:00

That photo is embarrassing, it is in appropriate use of government property (if the pistol belongs to Uncle Sam), and I believe she is trying to look "gangster" as younger soldiers say nowadays. Soldiers and their damn smart phones...

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2014 11:32 PM

2014-05-02T23:32:58-04:00

Not a real gun...Hoax...Considering even if you have a CCL, you are not allowed to carry on a Federal Installation.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2014 11:33 PM

2014-05-02T23:33:21-04:00

I'm really at a loss of words, I don't know to laugh cause she's stupid or start swearing because I know this soldier is gonna make it to her unit all kinds of jacked up.

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2014 11:55 PM

2014-05-02T23:55:10-04:00

Pistol lighter?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2014 11:57 PM

2014-05-02T23:57:02-04:00

Really....So disgusted I have nothing to say.

Response by SPC Charles Brown made May 3 at 2014 12:45 AM

2014-05-03T00:45:35-04:00

Sorry, I find it hard to believe that this person is to be taken serious. She reminds me of Jammie Fox and I cannot in all good faith take this one individual seriously. This doesn't even count as an attempt to look "hard" it just doesn't look like it to me.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2014 12:52 AM

2014-05-03T00:52:54-04:00

Honestly, I don't really care if she has permit. I don't even care if it is a real weapon or not. If it is real, and she has it down the front of her pants, then she is a special kind of stupid, but again, I dont really care!

What I DO care about is the image that she is trying to portray in uniform. Sometimes I hate social media. We ALL know that troops have posed for stupid pictures since Christ was a CPL, but with the advent of social media, we now get to share all of our stupidity! And it always seems that the troops who are trying to look cool, gangster, bad ass, or just showing off are always the ones that get the most press, which makes the military as an organization look bad! I almost wish any public photos that involve a uniform would have to be cleared by PAO!

ok....rant over (for now)

Response by SSG William Sutter made May 3 at 2014 2:26 AM

2014-05-03T02:26:38-04:00

I don't know about all posts but from what I understand- It is impossible to get a concealed carry permit on any installation. This might also be the reason why she is a PVT.

Response by SSgt Gregory Guina made May 3 at 2014 2:56 AM

2014-05-03T02:56:15-04:00

That is a female?

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2014 4:39 AM

2014-05-03T04:39:17-04:00

What is he/she doing with his/her face?

Response by SSG James Seets made May 3 at 2014 8:02 AM

2014-05-03T08:02:04-04:00

This young soldier now owes me 10 mins of my life back for wasting my time.
How is it that the idiots always slip through basic and into our units for us to fix!

Response by CPT Aaron Kletzing made May 3 at 2014 8:13 AM

2014-05-03T08:13:33-04:00

This reflects negatively on the profession. She should be counseled.

Response by SFC William Swartz Jr made May 3 at 2014 8:18 AM

2014-05-03T08:18:19-04:00

With ALL sarcasm intended, surely she has her concealed carry license! I mean who wouldn't have a CCL and pack during what looks like an IET barracks area....

Response by SSG Nathan Bryant made May 3 at 2014 8:44 AM

2014-05-03T08:44:42-04:00

WTF

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2014 9:37 AM

2014-05-03T09:37:27-04:00

I definitely think she needs to attend the next class. she looks so eager to learn!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2014 10:07 AM

2014-05-03T10:07:29-04:00

Evidence that the professional soldier mentality is not something sought after in the recruiting process.

Response by SFC Stephen P. made May 3 at 2014 10:18 AM

2014-05-03T10:18:51-04:00

The item in question resembles a Beretta 950 (.25 ACP). Based on the size of the belt and belt loops, I think it's too small to even be a .380.

I've been reading up on concealed carry for years; the only instances I've heard of where someone would carry a .25 ACP were criminals, and a reporter in Kansas who was trying to make a point. Not impossible, but I've never encountered it.

If I'm going to drop hundreds of dollars on training and licensing fees, I can spring $10 for a holster. Unholstered carry is indicative of criminals who wish to dispose of evidence quickly.

Studies have shown that licensed carriers have a lower propensity for crime than their unlicensed peers. The act of carrying such a weapon on what appears to be federal property, is a crime.

The typical age of enlistment is under 21. The minimum age for most states' license is 21 (a handful allow 18 and I think a couple have no limit). This also coincides with the federal requirement to purchase handguns from a dealer.

These factors lead me to suspect the soldier is not licensed.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2014 10:43 AM

2014-05-03T10:43:39-04:00

She looks completely unprofessional...might be a reason she has no rank.

Response by SPC Brian Jones made May 3 at 2014 10:56 AM

2014-05-03T10:56:44-04:00

While I am all for soldiers being able to carry when ever they want, as of now it is still against policy and as so this want to be civilian is just being an idiot.

Response by 1SG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2014 12:14 PM

2014-05-03T12:14:48-04:00

Doesn't matter, you can't carry concealed on post. Attending the next class is not the answer, calling the Military Police would be my next move. We need to rid OUR Army of this type of individual and mentality. For the record, I am very supportive of allowing Soldiers to carry concealed and would like to see that happen. Like many things these days, the permission could be delegated to Battalion Commander who would want the endorsement of the Company Chain of Command, IMHO.

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made May 3 at 2014 2:56 PM

2014-05-03T14:56:40-04:00

On a serious note, the SM should be verbally counseled and on paper. She needs to be informed on social website etiquette in terms on what the Army expects of her. In short, she does NOT have the right or authority to make herself loom like an ass while in uniform or dishonorable or shameful in civilian clothes. She also most know that pictures especially like the one someone or herself posted will spread faster than STDs in a barracks. I am sorry for the analogy if that offends anyone. She'd understand fully if I counseled her. You can call it caring leadership if you want.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2014 3:25 PM

2014-05-03T15:25:17-04:00

How stupid is she to not only carry it on post but to take a pic and put it on social media?

Response by TSgt Scott Hurley made May 3 at 2014 4:17 PM

2014-05-03T16:17:02-04:00

As I understand it, there is no Federal Law that permits conceal carry on military installations. The only ones allowed to carry weapons with ammo at all times are the MP/SF/SP(Navy) while in that capacity. The only others authorized are contract security and State/Local law enforcement when on base. But none of them are conceal carry.

This brings up the question of should it be allowed? And should NCO's be allowed to have side arms while on duty?

Because this is hot topic item in the military, this should be treated with a grain of salt. Could this have prevented the shootings at Ft. Hood? The answer to that question is probably.

Is that soldier being stupid for displaying it on base? Yes. Is the soldier stupid for brining it on base? Yes. Is that soldier in violation of Federal Law which the military follows state side? Yes. Can that soldier use the defense of, "the state allows it!" No. And Mind you I am not a lawyer, but I do know that it is not allowed on military installations.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2014 4:31 PM

2014-05-03T16:31:05-04:00

Wtf carying on post is not authorized eaither way so her nco should counsel her imeaditly

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2014 5:08 PM

2014-05-03T17:08:47-04:00

She needs to be made an example of... these type of actions should not be tolerated within our service (or any service for that matter)

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made May 3 at 2014 5:13 PM

2014-05-03T17:13:46-04:00

More Gun Stupidity. I haven't touched a Weapon since I retired.

Response by SSG Todd Halverson made May 3 at 2014 6:45 PM

2014-05-03T18:45:51-04:00

I could care less if she has a permit or not. By the way she is acting chances are she does not nor does she know how to properly treat a weapon. Though this one is probably a toy. My main concern is the image she is creating on social media about Soldiers. Not a very good one. Hopefully someone in her chain of command takes action for her irresponsibility.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2014 8:32 PM

2014-05-03T20:32:54-04:00

This is what happens when you take Drill Sergeants out of AIT.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2014 9:37 PM

2014-05-03T21:37:14-04:00

Wow...

Response by CPT Jacob Swartout made May 3 at 2014 9:38 PM

2014-05-03T21:38:04-04:00

Sometimes I wonder if people who pose as fools realize the consequences of their actions on social media.

Response by SGT Jim Hayes made May 4 at 2014 2:54 AM

2014-05-04T02:54:13-04:00

glass houses and stones ladies and gentleman.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2014 9:46 AM

2014-05-04T09:46:31-04:00

Everyone here needs to slow down. The majority of comments here are along the lines of kick her out to this is the state of our force. If this is really what our force has become then it's everyone's fault, especially the so called NCO Corps. What kind of role did her Drill SGT's or AIT instructors set for her? Has she been counseled or has remedial training been enacted? It's easy to throw someone away but it's harder to train them is all I keep hearing from you.

By no means am I defending her actions but I'm seeing a total lack of disregard by the NCO's on this site in your key responsibilities; NCO's set the standard, enforce the standards, and train the troops under you. Once that has been done then you talk about separation if that doesn't solve the problem.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2014 9:48 AM

2014-05-04T09:48:35-04:00

I think someone else said it best. This is just embarrassing. Clearly the drill sergeant needs to be reinstated in AIT units.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2014 11:45 AM

2014-05-04T11:45:56-04:00

I clicked "yes" sarcastically.

Another great Soldier doing Great things for our country, and our imagine.

I wonder if her behavior in the photo is just just one of many reasons why she is still an E-Fuzzy?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2014 1:33 PM

2014-05-04T13:33:53-04:00

The "back on the block" attitude/mindset is plaguing the Army, joking or not. It shows ignorance to being a professional and a lack of discipline. This is a good reason why cell phones/social media outlets shouldn't be allowed during any training/schooling, especially entry level. Show you have the discipline to become a trained soldier in your MOS before worrying about your Instagram.

Response by SGT Drue Rockwell made May 4 at 2014 1:45 PM

2014-05-04T13:45:56-04:00

I think she is in trouble...considering the current laws....

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2014 2:11 PM

2014-05-04T14:11:57-04:00

I'm pretty sure that you are not allowed to carry any firearm on any military installation. Not to mention the commander of this soldier could impose an article 15 since this goes against the good order and discipline of the organization. Just saying.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2014 2:23 PM

2014-05-04T14:23:57-04:00

And if she wants to act "Gangsta" she can do it on the streets. When I went basic she would have been thrown out for for this.. Oh yeah..its the "New" Army. We have to be "kind" to Privates, I mean "Warriors" Sorry cant call them PVTs. But I cant become an Officer now if I wanted to because my tattoos are too big.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2014 7:46 PM

2014-05-04T19:46:14-04:00

Correct me if I'm wrong, but concealed carry or not, I thought while on post there is no such thing?

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2014 9:47 PM

2014-05-04T21:47:32-04:00

Instant promotion to Ft.Leavenworth making big rocks into little rocks!

Response by SPC Charles Brown made May 4 at 2014 10:38 PM

2014-05-04T22:38:23-04:00

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't concealed mean that you cannot see it? But then again I always did think that Jaime Fox was a funny guy.

Response by CPL(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2014 11:25 PM

2014-05-04T23:25:39-04:00

It does not even matter if she has a concealed carry or not. It is in direct violation of AR 670-1 that she does not have a firearm on her person concealed or not. The only soldiers allowed to have a firearm on their person are MP's that are on shift. She is violating federal law. Her leadership has failed her by not instiling discipline in her. My Team Leaders and Squad Leaders throughout my service instilled discipline into their soldiers, I never would of even thought to do something like this while in uniform or not. Army is getting soft, but then again had other mos's enforce the standards as much as the Infantry did, we would not even have this problem with Jr. Enlisted Soldiers, and younger NCO's not in the Infantry.

Response by PFC Gabriel Sifuentes made May 5 at 2014 2:50 AM

2014-05-05T02:50:47-04:00

a concealed weapon should be holstered in some sort of concealed holder, not tucked into a waistband where it unsafe.

Response by MAJ Dallas D. made May 5 at 2014 10:28 AM

2014-05-05T10:28:49-04:00

Really! WOW, at what point did she wake up and say "Hey I think it's a good idea to do this..." WOW Really, I did some dumb things as a private but WOW

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2014 11:37 AM

2014-05-05T11:37:19-04:00

I personally do not care if she has a license or not. This is obviously on post and on post (to my knowledge) concealment is not authorized period! I have a license that is recognized in a lot of states but there are prohibited areas and one of those is federal land where it is restricted.

Also, not many people I know would think how she is carrying it would be safe!

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2014 11:38 AM

2014-05-05T11:38:28-04:00

Based upon this picture I wouldn't trust her with a potato gun let alone a concealed weapon.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2014 12:05 PM

2014-05-05T12:05:08-04:00

No...Even if the Soldier has a a CC Permit...the Soldier is inviolation of 18 USC and AR 190-11 (4-5). This will put you out of the military and "may be" considered a felony. So great job of taking a picture proving you are commiting a crime and violating AR.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2014 12:14 PM

2014-05-05T12:14:21-04:00

Regardless of having a CHL/CCP any service member is prohibited from carrying while in uniform. It is clearly stated in the Army regs. I, along with most of you all, could care less about the legality though. What bothers me is the image being portrayed in the picture. Social media is quickly undoing so much of the good work the military does on a daily basis. Does the local news station want to hear about the good that a soldier did lately or blast images like this up? We all know that soldiers did stupid things before the ages of cellphone cameras etc.. The difference they were still smart enough to not put it on display for all to see.

Personally I feel the majority of these issues are stemming from a generational shift. Gone are the days of parents spanking children in public for misbehaving. Now if a parent wants to discipline their child it is more of a negotiation. Instances like this picture are evidence of this. A properly disciplined individual would never act this way. Society has become entitled and only worries about things that will benefit them, likes on facebook, followers on twitter etc.. Until society addresses this issue, or the military truly becomes more selective, we are going to continue to have stupid problems that we shouldn't have to begin with.

Finally, if you want to be a gangster, thug, whatever....there is no room for you in today's military go back on the block and leave this profession to the grown ups.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2014 12:42 PM

2014-05-05T12:42:11-04:00

Dumb ass

Response by SSG Patrick Thomas made May 5 at 2014 1:10 PM

2014-05-05T13:10:44-04:00

This PVT is totally wrong. Should she be allowed to carry? Yes IF she has had the classes and her NCOes ok it. (plus she gets a decent holster for it.)

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2014 8:48 PM

2014-05-05T20:48:21-04:00

This is a soon to be a PRIME example of how military service members end up shooting themselves or their friends/team. I just hope she's caught before that happens..

Response by SSG Salaam Alnur made May 5 at 2014 8:58 PM

2014-05-05T20:58:52-04:00

Could be a lighter

Response by SGT Shawn Case made May 5 at 2014 9:21 PM

2014-05-05T21:21:53-04:00

Does she have one? Doesn't matter, she is not allowed to carry on base. However, in this instance, I highly doubt that is a firearm, more like a toy/lighter in which case she is perfectly able to carry her toy/light without a permit and on base. I would remind her not to take stupid pictures which force the command to get involved or make her instagram account private. Some of ya'll are funny though. You really expect an 18 year old kid coming out of our current school systems to have the maturity of a 30 year old person? Best thing we can do is train them right and provide leadership and mentor them well. There is a reason they are privates.

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2014 12:00 AM

2014-05-06T00:00:40-04:00

Does it really matter? she is in violation of the CoC. these are not the type of pictures you are to be taking in uniform. these are not pictures you should be taking in any situation. If you wanted to be "gangsta" then you should have joined a gang, not my military.

Response by SPC Derrick French made May 6 at 2014 9:48 AM

2014-05-06T09:48:59-04:00

so this loser is gonna be the next soldier we hear about that went on a shooting spree on a base. MPs should be looking for this fool asap!!

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2014 10:27 AM

2014-05-06T10:27:08-04:00

WOW!

Just f***ing . . . wow.

I'm going back to bed. This just gave me an instant migraine.

Response by PO2 Chris Land made May 6 at 2014 11:03 AM

2014-05-06T11:03:50-04:00

99% of soldiers have done something stupid. We've all been there. However, posting your stupidity for all the world to see is just plain dumb. Those who think she should be kicked out, get over yourselves. Remove the log from your own eye! !

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2014 12:06 PM

2014-05-06T12:06:14-04:00

no she should not be posting nothing like this. it is not part of her uniform and we do not know what her plain are and on a military base

Response by SPC Mikki Ekanger made May 6 at 2014 10:39 PM

2014-05-06T22:39:07-04:00

I don't know her and I believe there was some kind of directive under the Clinton Administration that makes garrison area a gun free zone. While I think it's an asinine directive she could be prosecuted. Also judging by the size and color it's not issued. I support her right to keep and bear arms but I believe if she's going to carry it she might not want to take a selfie of her with it. I also think she's trying to make the military look like thugs.

Response by SGT Jonathan Wronski made May 7 at 2014 12:17 PM

2014-05-07T12:17:51-04:00

Regardless of whether or not she has a concealed carry license, she is violating Department of Defense directive 5210.56.

Response by MAJ Steve Sheridan made May 7 at 2014 12:53 PM

2014-05-07T12:53:24-04:00

crazy

Response by Maj Chris Nelson made May 7 at 2014 1:09 PM

2014-05-07T13:09:04-04:00

Everyone that I know (including myself) that has a CCP, does not flash it around. They know they have it, it will only become visible in the event of body position (accidently showing it), or the intent to use for legitmate cause. That is the purpose of CONCEALED. Also, looks like a military base building....it is COMPLETELY ILLEGAL to carry on base like this. UCMJ at best..... STUPID always.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2014 1:12 PM

2014-05-07T13:12:32-04:00

Pretty sure that's an AIT barracks

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2014 3:20 PM

2014-05-07T15:20:37-04:00

As a concealed hand gun permit holder, I believe all Soldiers should be able to carry as long as they complete the proper back ground checks and training.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2014 7:06 PM

2014-05-07T19:06:30-04:00

Either response is laughable. A crip in the military uniform. Too much gang mentality escapes the screening process in MEPs

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 8 at 2014 12:42 AM

2014-05-08T00:42:37-04:00

It doesn't matter if she has a permit or not. From this picture you can clearly see she's carrying on post, on federal property, which is against the law as well as several army regs. It's clearly not an army weapon and if it is it's the first nickel plated pistol I've seen I may arms room. With all the shootings going on at military installations, this young PVT needs a significant emotional event to happen on her life courtesy of her chain of command.

Response by PO1 Dennis Marholz made May 8 at 2014 8:23 AM

2014-05-08T08:23:14-04:00

If its personal she better watch the possible repercussions of her actions of weapons on a military facility, protection or not.

Response by SFC Vernon McNabb made May 8 at 2014 10:55 AM

2014-05-08T10:55:26-04:00

Doesn't matter about the CCW. Judging the overall picture here, she is a PVT, wanna-be gang banger judging by the snarl on her face. She probably couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with a shot gun at 10 feet. She's a prime candidate for a pistol whipping with her own pistol.

Response by SGT Richard Blue made May 8 at 2014 2:57 PM

2014-05-08T14:57:34-04:00

Depending on what state she is stationed it is a good chance that she has a concealed weapons permit.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2014 5:53 PM

2014-05-10T17:53:22-04:00

Child

Response by SSG Bryan Hollister made May 11 at 2014 9:45 AM

2014-05-11T09:45:06-04:00

So sick and tired of the "gangsta" crap. Grow up and act like an adult, not some little kid trying to look tough. She'll be the first one cowering in a bunker crying if the shit hits the fan...

Response by CW2 Jonathan Kantor made May 12 at 2014 1:06 PM

2014-05-12T13:06:13-04:00

It doesn't matter. It looks like she is on a military base and as far as I know, we aren't allowed to carry POW on bases... especially not tucked down the front of our pants. Regardless, the fuzzy patch on the front of her uniform will likely remain bare for the rest of her career. What kind of a moron posts something like this? That's the real question. Why are we enlisting people who are clearly too stupid to serve?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 12 at 2014 1:12 PM

2014-05-12T13:12:46-04:00

If she is that bold to post it to social media in uniform i'm pretty sure she has a concealed carry license.

Response by GySgt Neil Pitruzzella made May 12 at 2014 8:17 PM

2014-05-12T20:17:15-04:00

Even if you have a CCL it is illegal to carry a weapon on federal installations except in the line of duty

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 13 at 2014 11:50 AM

2014-05-13T11:50:39-04:00

no and she should have some UCMJ action for posting something like this in uniform

Response by SPC Mikki Ekanger made May 13 at 2014 8:50 PM

2014-05-13T20:50:55-04:00

I've been giving it some thoughts lately. I don't know that I have an issue necessarily with whether she has a permit or not. I think what I have a bigger issue with is the recent number of Selfies going around of troops trying to portray themselves as gang bangers, thugs or just plain defiant. I think it hurts the reputation of our professional military forces and I think it further hurts the veteran community. Many American see a picture and use that as justification to improperly label anyone who has ever been in the military.

While I understand she might have been joking around and a lot of us do screw around and capture the moment, I think we need to be careful what we put on the internet.

Response by SSG John Monsolino made May 14 at 2014 11:42 AM

2014-05-14T11:42:13-04:00

Her face looks like she's back on the street. Tighten up soldier. It's not the weapon that makes that face it's your attitude. If you prefer that look take the uniform off go back to the hood.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2014 10:03 AM

2014-05-17T10:03:17-04:00

I definitely think her NCO needs to sit her down and counsel her on proper social media etiquette. That picture is sending a bad image of what the military is and who the military is allowing in.

Response by Sgt Arthur Went made May 17 at 2014 11:33 AM

2014-05-17T11:33:13-04:00

Weather she does or not. This photo she posted in her uniform showing off a concealed weapon is unbecoming and unprofessional. Does anyone agree? When in uniform especially, you should always carry yourself with professionalism.

Response by PO1 Floyd Clark made May 17 at 2014 12:05 PM

2014-05-17T12:05:19-04:00

With that "Look at me, I'm a gangsta" look on her face and the gun slid down her pants, I have a hard time believing she has a concealed carry permit.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2014 12:47 PM

2014-05-17T12:47:30-04:00

This picture is of an AIT Soldier in front of an AIT Barracks, Probably Fort Lee. The building looks similar anyway.

We had a Soldier get processed out of the Army for having a realistic looking plastic pellet gun in the Barracks. This is a Serious situation. I hope the gun is not real.

The real issue, as some have stated already is the image that we are portraying and allowing our Soldiers to portray is not up to snuff.

I am willing to bet that this Soldier has other behavioral issues in addition to this. If she is willing to post something like this then she absolutely lacks Army values on a couple of levels. She will not make it in the Army if that is the case. It is the leaders responsibility to police Soldiers that do not adhere to the Army values. NCO's don't let the little things pass. Prevent these Soldiers from furthering their career if they do not live up to the Army values.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 23 at 2014 9:21 AM

2014-05-23T09:21:54-04:00

Get that pistol away from that soldier quick shooting waiting to happen.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 23 at 2014 9:23 AM

2014-05-23T09:23:35-04:00

carrying on post looks like basic to me somewhere.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 23 at 2014 11:35 AM

2014-05-23T11:35:38-04:00

no and UCMJ should be taken ASAP

Response by LTC Paul Labrador made Jun 6 at 2014 12:39 AM

2014-06-06T00:39:55-04:00

Last I understood, CCWs are not valid on Federal Reservations. Commanders are not even allowed the wiggle room to make that decision locally anymore. Hence why all of the hubbub when there are shootings on military bases.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 6 at 2014 5:08 AM

2014-06-06T05:08:41-04:00

Honestly, I do not think anyone that looks at this photo possess's a positive opinion about it. This is happening all across the military, not just the Army. Young soldiers are accustomed to utilizing social media as a form of expression and tool for connecting with their peers. They do not realize how it looks to the outside world. The soldier above did not think, "I wonder how this would look to everyone else." Every action in the military has a consequence. Everything situation is judged by outsiders who perceive it. Im sure she is young, in basic/AIT or just got out, and did not think twice about it; However, that is not how everyone else will see it. Social media is NOT creating a more connected world. I would argue that it is driving wedges between us and degrading human connection. I've never heard of someone getting a promotion over a Facebook post. Open any newspaper and you will see the damning effect that Facebook and social media has on careers and out lives. Social media can be a good thing if utilized properly. Not like above.

Response by PFC Zanie Young made Jul 28 at 2014 11:57 AM

2014-07-28T11:57:20-04:00

This should have not been posted. If we wore weapons under our uniform and someone found out (since I don't think it is in the regulations about concealing weapons of any kind), there would been hell to pay. We were not allowed to even show our rifles on a military bus!

Response by CDR Thomas Gatliffe made Jul 28 at 2014 12:02 PM

2014-07-28T12:02:33-04:00

She may have a permit, but I think she needs a more secure carry and probably some formal training in the potential legal (and personal safety) ramifications of "flashing a weapon."

Response by LT Brian Farmer made Sep 4 at 2014 1:17 AM

2014-09-04T01:17:47-04:00

Personal firearms are generally prohibited on military installations.

Response by COL Jean (John) F. B. made Sep 4 at 2014 1:18 PM

2014-09-04T13:18:42-04:00

Even if she has a concealed carry permit, it would not be valid on a military installation.

I saw that the location/unit had been identified in an earlier post. I hope this picture has been forwarded to that unit for follow-up action.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2015 9:03 PM

2015-02-28T21:03:39-05:00

I'm all for her worthless ass being gorilla stomped till her great grandchildren feel it. But then again I'm just in that mood.

Response by PO3 John Jeter made Mar 1 at 2015 2:09 AM

2015-03-01T02:09:32-05:00

The only thing concealed is any trace of IQ.........I'm experiencing a level of disgust and exasperation that I seldom have occasion to encounter.......Even if it's a toy, this displays a level of idiocy that should have her grandparents prosecuted for criminal negligence......... Wow! Just when you think you can't be surprised any more........

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2015 12:10 PM

2015-03-01T12:10:21-05:00

I'm so very thankful that we didn't have social media when I was a Private. :)

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2015 12:12 PM

2015-03-01T12:12:36-05:00

Military members even with a CCL are not authorized to carry on any federal installations or BLDGs. Only way authorized is if it's a military CCL and its in the line of duty. Even if this isn't real this should be handled by her supervisor this isn't appropriate behavior for a military member period but worse that it's on social media!

Response by CSM Mark Gerecht made Mar 1 at 2015 1:01 PM

2015-03-01T13:01:48-05:00

What I am about to say I am sure will not be very popular but I find it necessary. For the record I have a concealed carry permit.

The question should not be about a permit but when this Soldier will be charged under the MCM.

We do not know the location of the incident on or off post but we do know the Soldier was in uniform and the statement reads "always keep one on me". Which implies while on base and on duty.

A weapon is not authorized on a military installation unless it is in the performance of official duties, located in a housing area, being transported to the housing area or away from the housing area in accordance with post regulations. Usually with either the weapon or ammo being stored separately in a locked container.

A concealed weapon as alleged above is a violation of federal law. Concealed permits are only good for individuals on state/county control land and the reciprocal agreements that states has will other states. It does not apply to federal lands, buildings, or property. For example it is illegal to carry a weapon into an IRS building, Federal Court House, or any jurisdiction under federal control. This issue was rapidly elevated to public view after 9/11 when 100% searches were implemented on military bases and concealed weapons to include loaded long guns were found on bases across the states being brought to work everyday by Soldiers.

The MCM states:
112. Article 134—(Weapon: concealed, carrying)
a. Text of statute. See paragraph 60.
b. Elements.
( 1 ) That the accused carried a certain weapon concealed on or about the accused’s person;
(2) That the carrying was unlawful;
(3) That the weapon was a dangerous weapon; and (4) That, under the circumstances, the conduct of the accused was to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces or was of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces.
c. Explanation.
(1) Concealed weapon. A weapon is concealed when it is carried by a person and intentionally covered or kept from sight.
(2) Dangerous weapon. For purposes of this paragraph, a weapon is dangerous if it was specifically designed for the purpose of doing grievous bodily harm, or it was used or intended to be used by the accused to do grievous bodily harm.
( 3 ) On or about "On or about" means the weapon was carried on the accused’s person or was within the immediate reach of the accused.
d. Lesser included offense. Article 80—attempts
e . Maximum punishment. Bad Conduct Discharge , forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 1 year.

Each installation has a supplement to AR 190-11. Here is one from Fort Benning.

Supplement to AR 190-11 2-1e. The carrying of a concealed weapon on the installation is prohibited regardless of whether a state or county permit has been obtained. For the purpose of this regulation, a concealed weapon is any instrument used or designed for the purpose of inflicting grievous bodily harm that is carried on a person in such a way as to be hidden from ordinary view. Folded knives with blades shorter than 3 inches are excluded from this definition.

l. Personnel authorized access to the installation may temporalrily secure, or transport privately owned firearms or other weapons to functions or activities involving those weapons (such as hunting, sports shooting, or other legitimate reasons) subject to the provisions of this regulation.

2-2i. Persons are required to produce, upon request, the firearms registration document to any Military Police Officer, Department of the Army Police Officer, Conservation Law Enforcement Officer, or Department of the Army Security Guard. Persons without the regis-tration document will not be authorized to bring the firearm onto the installation and if found to be on the installation in possession of an unregistered firearm will be processed as follows:
(1) Military personnel found on the installation, in possession of an unregistered firearm, in violation of this regulation, will be apprehended, processed, and titled under Article 92, UCMJ and released to their Commander or First Sergeant.

There is nothing I can find that specifically states a Soldier cannot carry a weapon for that matter a concealed weapon in uniform. However there is a lot of information that details the procedures for Soldiers in the performance of their official duties must meet in order to carry openly or concealed in or out of uniform while performing official duties. There is also significant information on how, when, where, and under what conditions a Soldier is allowed to own, store, and transport and gun on post.

My interpretation based on the absence of information on the issue being addressed and the information contained in the regulations and supplements appear to indicate Soldiers are not authorized to carry in uniform. To do so subjects the Soldier to violation of Military and Federal law.

Am I against concealed carry? Absolutely Not? Do I believe Soldiers should be allowed to carry a weapon at work concealed? Under the current laws absolutely no.

This Soldier should be punished to some degree based on the facts of the case using the social media post as evidence "relatively new procedure" with the military justice system. Counseling to Courts-Martial (based on the facts of the issue and not the emotions of the issue)
If leaders know of this and have done nothing that seriously concerns me. This is about doing the right thing even when no one is watching and upholding the law. We have a responsibility and duty as Leaders. Sometimes we even have to do things that we do not necessary agree with. Examples I saw during my career were: folks being upset with don't ask don't tell, presidents they did not care for, military operations they felt were not moral. etc. We have an obligation to uphold the law and do our duty even if it cuts against our grain. If we don't think it is right we have an obligation to enforce and then attempt to change the law or issue we disagree with. I fully understand sometimes these issues become overwhelming for people and finding right and wrong can be a tough ordeal based on the facts and emotions of an issue.

Other side of the coin
We are Soldiers charged with the responsibility to keep peace throughout the world and face our enemies both foreign and domestic. If we are provided that Awesome duty and responsibility are we only allowed to carry a gun on the battlefield in the performance of military duties? So does that mean we are not stable enough or responsible enough to hold a loaded weapon on our own? WOW! Working in joint operations I heard Sergeant Major from another Country say "You Americans amaze me! You are all about Risk Avoidance not risk mitigation! Hell your Soldiers don't even carry loaded weapons on a daily basis"! Is your government that afraid of its Armed Forces! WOW!

Our Army of the past WWII and prior kept weapons in the barracks with bullets. I wonder what those statics will show?

Sorry for dragging on. Just my 2 cents!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2015 1:14 PM

2015-03-01T13:14:58-05:00

I seriously doubt, based solely on this picture, that she has a concealed carry license. I don't know many people with CCDWs that;
1. Carry appendix carry without a holster.
2. Take pictures to show off that they are carrying.
3. Brag about always keeping a weapon on them.
4. Would carry on a Federal Installation, no matter how bad they want to.

Response by CPL Rick Stasny made Mar 1 at 2015 2:02 PM

2015-03-01T14:02:54-05:00

I don't care if it is real or not. The fact is, in today's world, if she brandished it at any point while on base. Her life and the lives of those around her are in jeopardy.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2015 2:25 PM

2015-03-01T14:25:08-05:00

It's possible she has a conceal carry, but I voted no because most people I know who have conceal carry permits would know better than to flash a weapon for a photo op. The weapons are there, properly carried for protection, not posing or intimidating. This pic shows a degree of immaturity and could easily get someone into trouble. She and the photographer should probably go (or go back) to class to learn the do's and don'ts of carrying.

Response by CW5 Jim Steddum made Mar 1 at 2015 2:27 PM

2015-03-01T14:27:44-05:00

Does, it matter. The Soldier is probably violating a few regulations--which is never smart with a name-tape.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2015 2:56 PM

2015-03-01T14:56:27-05:00

Wtf? Correct me if I'm wrong but you can't carry a personal weapon on post??

Response by SPC James Mcneil made Mar 2 at 2015 7:29 AM

2015-03-02T07:29:49-05:00

Talk about professionalism... or a complete lack thereof.

Response by SFC Maury Gonzalez made Jul 17 at 2015 8:21 PM

2015-07-17T20:21:05-04:00

Both her and the photographer need pcs orders to Leavenworth, i dont know what changed in the military since I retired in 2002, but having unreported pow in your pants was a serious ucmj offense

Response by SMSgt Keith Klug made Mar 6 at 2018 9:13 AM

2018-03-06T09:13:44-05:00

Don't know about National Guard, but no matter what, unless she is OSI/CID or on an undercover ops concealed carry is not allowed on any military installation.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Mar 6 at 2018 9:20 AM

2018-03-06T09:20:33-05:00

No but she has a name tag, check

Response by SGT Eric Davis made Mar 6 at 2018 10:06 AM

2018-03-06T10:06:54-05:00

Permit or not: why do she have her personal weapon on base?

Also in Mississippi if you AD military you dont need a permit to carry a concealed weapon.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Mar 6 at 2018 11:26 AM

2018-03-06T11:26:33-05:00

I think her NCO's should be frog marching her lil fanny to the CO for charges- for it appears she is on the Post. Her decision off post, but on-she gunning for trouble!

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Mar 6 at 2018 5:05 PM

2018-03-06T17:05:09-05:00

What this Soldier should have is a 4856 recommending him for an Art15, then have whoever took the pic join em, and both ride into a long sunset....off a 1000 foot cliff. OR send them both to HALO.....but don't tell either one the chutes they'll deploy are actually dirty underwear.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Mar 6 at 2018 6:40 PM

2018-03-06T18:40:24-05:00

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2018 8:49 PM

2018-03-06T20:49:27-05:00

Holy crap that's a "she"?

Response by LTC Lewis Cox made Mar 7 at 2018 5:53 PM

2018-03-07T17:53:15-05:00

She needs a License!!!