Posted on Jun 18, 2015
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President Obama addresses America about the reckless, ignorant shooting at the Charleston Carolina Church. I really am glad he addressed what is going on, and I think in a very positive way...

What happened there at that Church, Ugh I hate it! It's dumb and pathetic. Prayers to those involved! Senseless!! I'm glad they caught the SOB so they can have some justice. Those idiots usually go out the cowardly way!

However, POTUS Obama states that the people who are getting these weapons to do these kinds of acts, well it's too easy. I agree that people that are deemed mentally Ill, yes, it just might be. But SANE people don't do these things.

POTUS: "At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn’t happen in other places with this kind of frequency."

What I can't get over and/or don't know how to perceive this, is that he thinks this type of mass murder doesn't happen anywhere else. Or not in this magnitude...

When I think about what goes on in Israel, Palestine, Iran, Iraq... I am left wondering HUH??? No I don't believe what he said. LOL

Do you agree??

I included my most FAV Democrats so that we might have an adult discussion. :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6siu-WLOPKI&feature=player_embedded
In my opinion, this kiddo gets it.
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SSgt Everett Jones
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It happens, but the media in other countries don't give the criminals their year of fame by always shoving it in everyone's face day after day for months on end. It does not happen as often as the media is trying to lead everyone to believe, but, when you have an agenda to push or ratings to grab.....
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SSgt Ron Kilpatrick
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No, not true. Denmark, France, Spain, Turkey and a hand full of other countries have all had mass killings in the last two years, not to mention the countries at war, were large amounts of non combatants were killed. Remember France just has that one, a few months ago.
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SSgt Robert Jorgensen
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It happens anywhere when someone is hell bent on killing someone. Today a guy stabbed a cop in the neck in NY, he could have taken his weapon and gone on to kill someone he was really pissed at. I'm sorry but if someone wants a gun, there is no law going to stop them from find one, one way or another. It does not matter if the weapon is from a civilian or through black market military. By definition a criminal does not care what law is broken to achieve their desire. Not to cast stones politically, BUT both Republican and Democrat groups have good things and bad things that they believe in. The pastor of the church was such a politician that is Pro anti-gun and by SC law the guy that could have allowed a person to carry a weapon in the church to defend everyone. BUT the law abiding followers did not carry and the criminal did what he wanted to do!

Unfortunately the news media in the United States can only sell, achieve ratings by putting what interests the consumers - tragic events - good news does not sell. The same holds true for international news that is allowed to be witnessed by media reporters. There is a lot more going on everywhere, we seem to be more willing to air our dirty laundry out compared to other countries.The big boys with initials know what goes on around the world but politics dictates what is released under national security and the political agenda.
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LTC John Shaw
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Tragic event that perhaps could have been avoided, a) if the intent of the idiot was known and b) not possible for him to obtain any weapon.

I dislike President Obama and those that disagree with the 2nd Amendment playing the blame game. Stop demonizing those that are lawful gun owners and live by the law, we did nothing wrong. If you don't like the 2nd Amendment, put together the 2/3 to repeal it. Sadly liberals want to get to 50% +1 and tell lawful gun owners to shove it.

Why not move forward on areas we agree:
1) Mental Health has never been funded, it is a State and County issue and could be discussed at a federal level with model standards and improved
2) When a hate group or member does this hold them accountable.

Stats show we have more gun deaths than most nations, but if we cracked down on illegal gun use or gang violence in inter-city that is more than half.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2013/09/19/u-s-has-more-guns-and-gun-deaths-than-any-other-country-study-finds/
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I've said this a couple of times, but I often wonder if HIPPA gets in the way. I understand patient and Dr. confidentiality but if people like James Holmes were exposed, or the guy that shot at Gifford or that Sandy Hook ass... then this might not have happened. As the Sandy Hook as tho, that was a lot on the mother. I hate to say that because she was one of those that he killed, but she let him fire, shoot and have weapons. LTC John Shaw
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SGT (Join to see) We need to keep the focus on removal of illegal guns, NOT lawful gun owners. Mental health screening for gun owners...good God, the Feds will take all guns away for anything. I have a complete lack of trust/faith because of the UBER liberal agenda.
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SSG (ret) William Martin
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When I heard that this morning, I asked in a low voice, "So what happened in France" and France is a modern country; not a third world country. Similar incidents have happened in Russia and again, Russia is a modern country.
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SGT Veronica Fulgham-Blais, in my humble opinion. I view President Obama's lack of mentioning other countries is because he is not the President of those countries. He does not have any input into their laws concerning weapons.

I also feel that he only wants responsible gun ownership in this country. I honestly do not feel he against the second amendment, but he wants to see it applied with some sense civility.

The Governor here in Texas just signed the Open Carry Law and well as the Campus Carry Law. Quite honestly these two laws scare me. It scars me as an average citizen and it scares me as a supporter of the 2nd Amendment.

There are people out here who do not have the discipline to handle "Open Carry". What is going to happen when diverse groups come in conflict with one another. I truly fear what will happen.

We see examples in the news everyday of fist fights, road rage, and just plain old thuggish activities from various groups. All of these people will be able to carry guns. Do you really want that?

Oh, and SGT Veronica Fulgham - Blais, I can't tell you how much it hurts me that I am not one of your FAV Democrats! :-(
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Personally, I think his definition of "Responsible Gun Ownership" might be a little off center from the actual Responsible Gun Owners. He has not done anything that I can tell that would make me believe he is in favor of the 2nd Amendment as it stands and giving citizens the right to bear arms. To the contrary, I think he has his own definition of the 2nd Amendment and that is what he supports.
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SSG (Join to see), thanks, that's really good to hear. Here in Texas, It's new, hasn't been done since the early 1900's, and it scares me too. Other states that carry also claim the crime rate didn't increase. Texas is like California in a way. There aren't many fruits, but there are a lot of nuts.
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LTC Ed Ross
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The Centers for Disease Control statistic clearly demonstrate that as concealed carry permits been on the rise since the 1990s, gun violence has dramatically dropped. Correlation or cause and effect I don't know but you tell me.
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LTC Ed Ross - Probably more correlation than causation, however it's important to note that allowing people to open carry didn't cause any increases in violence.
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SFC Jim Ruether
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The young man in the video said it all when he said guns don't kill people.....people kill people! I know this is a lame excuse when it happens to be your loved one lying in the street or gunned down at a party. We already have gun laws that are in place to prevent criminals from owning or possessing guns but you need two other more important things and they are, respect for not only the letter of the law, you need respect for life.
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SSG James Arlington
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He said in other, "Advanced countries." Israel is the only advanced country you sited, but they have a very unique situation, as anyone might know. He was referring to countries like Germany, France, UK etc. Although they have had events from time to time, nothing compared to us and certainly not to the degree of frequency. The "kid" in Charleston had predetermined mental issues and should not have been allowed to purchase a firearm. I can be insane, have a criminal record, and can buy a gun in many states where there is no background check. I actually own five guns, but belieave in common sense and reasonableness.
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CPL Larry Truax
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Not a true statement. Do the research. One example 2011 Norway.
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Why do I need to? LOL. The POTUS said it. I don't believe it one bit. LOL
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SGT John W Lugo
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Nice topic of discussion, Unfortunately we have members in Congress that only think that solving the real problem is to give a opinion that is usually generated from the other side of what they consider a brain. As I've said before guns don't kill people without the effects or actions behind the trigger, if Congress is so concerned about gun control why do they allow gun sales at gun shows without a background check, if a criminal steals a gun from a family member to commit a crime, did gun control prevent it probably not.
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