This is my criterior for consideration for waiver from PFC/E3 to SPC/E4:

SSG (ret) William Martin — Fri, 11 Apr 2014 10:45:01 -0400

Please share your feedback! o Be in the rank of Private First Class with 18 months time in service (TIS) and 3 months time in grade(TMIG) (AR 600-9-19)o Be in the top 10 percent best APFT score in the squado Have earned 390 hours of computer based training (Army Correspondence Course - ACCP), Distance Learning (DL) and Army e-learning courses -No Sub Courses) o 6 credit hours of college (this is too easy- get your military experience converted to college credit by taking one or two classes)o Be qualified on all applicable weapons
o Be proficient in job field at current level by recommendation from supervisor.

What do you think? Also, I just got kicked off the computer so I had to edit this on my phone.

Response by CW2 Jonathan Kantor made Apr 11 at 2014 10:48 AM

CW2 Jonathan Kantor — Fri, 11 Apr 2014 10:48:42 -0400

I think it depends a lot on job performance and the actual job. Across the board waiver requirements for rank won't work in all MOSs... especially given the number of E-5s & E-6s currently in the Army.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 11 at 2014 10:53 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 11 Apr 2014 10:53:51 -0400

What if that Soldier is in a squad of 5 people and they are the only one able to pass a PT test but have a lower score than those failing it? 180 can pass, 259 can fail!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 11 at 2014 10:59 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 11 Apr 2014 10:59:47 -0400

When sitting in those meeting with the Company Commander I would prepare my list of who is eligible and know when it pretty much turns into automatic. If a guy was on his 23rd month, as SPC was given at 24 monthes then, I would turn him off from giving him a wavier if someone was sitting at 20 monthes that was also doing the same thing. I judged first the knowledge of their job and accountbility, their military bearing, PT, and assigned task. I would also consider family life at home with the amount of support that they are expected to provide. Sometimes its amazing how much an extra $40 dollars a paycheck can help a family. I think if you sat down and did a 30 min analysis on everyone's situation you'll establish your best judgment and get it right, just be prepared to discuss the facts with your PL and 1SG if it's going to be a surprise to them with your response. You should be able to lay out the facts in the meeting and be able to justify your list against other sections to procure that wavier.

Response by SGT Bryon Sergent made Apr 11 at 2014 11:09 AM

SGT Bryon Sergent — Fri, 11 Apr 2014 11:09:11 -0400

Thought that the Army done away with waivers for promotion????????

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 11 at 2014 4:00 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 11 Apr 2014 16:00:15 -0400

I think the one thing no one mentioned includes demonstrated ability or demonstrated potential to perform at the next greatest rank. I see far too many NCOs, soldiers, and officers who view a PVT, PV2, PFC, and SPC in the same light. The Army did the same with rapid promotions. Ultimately there are Soldiers who receive waivers due to the above criteria without demonstrating the required potential and or performance. SPC's are junior Noncommissioned Officers. They should perform at the level of one before they are waived for promotion.

Additionally, it is unethical and against regs to take into account a Soldiers home situation and how the extra 40 bucks could help them.