"The real problem isn't police brutality" -- Do you agree with this?

SGT John Rauch — Thu, 29 Oct 2015 14:16:39 -0400

Response by PO1 Tony Holland made Oct 29 at 2015 2:22 PM

PO1 Tony Holland — Thu, 29 Oct 2015 14:22:33 -0400

The "real problem" is that we have politicians and police forces that actively ignore or violate the civil rights of the people of this great country. There is an overwhelming sense of false entitlement -- "I've got mine, screw you" and disrespect for the basic dignity of every person irregardless of their station in life.

Response by CW3 Eric W. S. made Oct 29 at 2015 2:25 PM

CW3 Eric W. S. — Thu, 29 Oct 2015 14:25:43 -0400

Why can't I vote more than once. This is EXACTLY the issue we are facing in the US.

Response by SN Greg Wright made Oct 29 at 2015 2:29 PM

SN Greg Wright — Thu, 29 Oct 2015 14:29:48 -0400

SGT John Rauch I agree with it mostly, but let's not overlook the occasional instance of true misbehavior on Blue's part. (That campus cop that shot that kid in the head comes to mind.)

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2015 2:42 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 29 Oct 2015 14:42:31 -0400

I don't agree. Even if "entitlement" (whatever that means) and/or bad parenting (whoever decides what that is) lead to lawless youth, we are free as a people from police brutality. Failing in one's obligation to follow the law does not automatically entitle police to use excessive force, even if lawlessness is for some reason worse now than it has been in the past (which I doubt).

Response by Sgt David G Duchesneau made Oct 29 at 2015 2:48 PM

Sgt David G Duchesneau — Thu, 29 Oct 2015 14:48:26 -0400

I was in Law enforcement for over 20 years. Ya, it was back in the 70s, 80s and early 90s. People use to have a great deal of respect for us, the authorities, and they had a strong sense of responsibilities and family values. Today, it's all up-side down. No one want to take responsibility for anything including their kids, and people are always blaming everything that happens on the schools, Police, and every other authority figure that is out there. We are all responsible for our own actions and we need to get back those family values that use to make a difference in our children's daily life. We got to wake up and stop blaming everybody else for our kids actions and get involved in what our children our doing. This "sink or swim" attitude just doesn't make it and we are seeing the consequences by seeing what is happening with our young people and many adults too. What's going on right now in our World and daily lives is not working and it is not acceptable. This bullshit attitude that my little Johnny or Suezy wouldn't do that is for the birds. We better wake up before it's too late and we loose it all. It really sucks the big one!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2015 3:29 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 29 Oct 2015 15:29:52 -0400

Nailed it on the head!

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Oct 29 at 2015 3:40 PM

Capt Seid Waddell — Thu, 29 Oct 2015 15:40:38 -0400

Exactly!

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Oct 29 at 2015 4:10 PM

Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS — Thu, 29 Oct 2015 16:10:28 -0400

Yes & no.

Anyone in a position of Power can abuse said Power. ANYONE. It doesn't matter if it is a cop, a politician, the director or the CIA, or whoever.

Assuming that kids are the problem is just as much of a problem as assuming cops are the problem. I've seen as many videos showing cops in the wrong as kids in the wrong. Cops are human, and prone to mistakes just like any other segment of society.

All that said, we can't assume anyone in any of these situations was correct until we know the facts of the case. Half the time it will be one side screwing up. Half the time it will be the other.

Response by SrA Edward Vong made Oct 29 at 2015 4:19 PM

SrA Edward Vong — Thu, 29 Oct 2015 16:19:51 -0400

I do believe that this has been going on for forever. However social media has brought this topic out for everyone to see.

Response by SSG Michael Scott made Oct 29 at 2015 5:29 PM

SSG Michael Scott — Thu, 29 Oct 2015 17:29:30 -0400

Damn right!

Response by Maj Chris Nelson made Oct 29 at 2015 5:30 PM

Maj Chris Nelson — Thu, 29 Oct 2015 17:30:33 -0400

I think it fits quite well.....

Response by MSG Brad Sand made Oct 29 at 2015 5:41 PM

MSG Brad Sand — Thu, 29 Oct 2015 17:41:54 -0400

Umm, A and C?

Why is there no outrage at the people spoon feeding us the acceptance of lawlessness?

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2015 7:39 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 29 Oct 2015 19:39:45 -0400

Lmao I dont agree.

Response by SFC Richard Lee made Oct 30 at 2015 9:38 AM

SFC Richard Lee — Fri, 30 Oct 2015 09:38:18 -0400

That's right on point. I've had parents tell me that they were going to get the police because I told little Johnny or Sally that they couldn't do something or to do something. The part that had me thinking how dense that parent was is i work for a Sheriff Office and I was in uniform. But I never thought that maybe i was the wrong color. That same parent would swear that little Johnny or Sally never did anything to get in trouble and are being picked on even if they viewed them committing the offense on video.

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Oct 30 at 2015 12:02 PM

SSG Warren Swan — Fri, 30 Oct 2015 12:02:40 -0400

This is true to a point, but we also have a few police who think the laws they're charged with enforcing they're exempt from based off their profession and the badge.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2015 1:27 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 30 Oct 2015 13:27:51 -0400

Concise and to the point!

Response by LCpl Mark Lefler made Oct 30 at 2015 1:49 PM

LCpl Mark Lefler — Fri, 30 Oct 2015 13:49:58 -0400

some of those bratty kids grew up to be toxic cops.

Response by CW3 Jim Norris made Oct 30 at 2015 1:54 PM

CW3 Jim Norris — Fri, 30 Oct 2015 13:54:53 -0400

In the USA today the police are the ONLY group in which one acts inappropriately and it is perfectly acceptable - almost a requirement for a progressive - to condemn all law enforcement. Example in point, after a review of evidence the deputy was fired for having mishandled the student......now, that same school has had over 1,500 police/student interactions where the student was arrested and removed from campus....so the statistics are heavily in favor of almost all policemen acting correctly almost all the time. Anecdotal data, but none the less factual. Case in point, college professor who claimed she was 'stopped for walking black' and other nasty claims about the policeman's encounter with her - well review of the dash-cam evidence shows that not only where the officer courteous and professional and looking out after her safety, but that she was lying. Seems to be another case of 'hands up don't shoot' lying cry from Ferguson. We could go on and on with case after case of those who risk their lives everyday for us being accused of misconduct and castigated falsely, but proof doesn't matter, facts are immaterial and reality is hardly a fair indicator of truth.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2015 3:04 PM

CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 30 Oct 2015 15:04:45 -0400

I think its yes and no. There is a problem in the youth of America and the police. I would venture that 99 percent of the police force do their job without going over the line. Just like every organization, there is always the bad apple in the bunch. Now for the youth of America, there is a hugh sense of entitlement but that is because the parents of said youth have not been doing their jobs as parents. So the real problem is the parents in my generation that like thi think that its "Not My Child" even though they have the school bully as a child.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2015 3:38 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 30 Oct 2015 15:38:45 -0400

Except the truth is somewhere in between the two extremes. Yes, there are lots of spoiled, entitled brats. Some of them wear uniforms, guns, and badges. Some of them fight those who wear uniforms, guns, and badges.

Some cops are good, some are bad. Some people are good, some are bad. It's never all one way or the other.

Response by MSgt Erik Copp made Oct 30 at 2015 7:32 PM

MSgt Erik Copp — Fri, 30 Oct 2015 19:32:34 -0400

Yep

Response by CW2 Carl Swanson made Oct 31 at 2015 5:47 PM

CW2 Carl Swanson — Sat, 31 Oct 2015 17:47:30 -0400

I grew up in a law enforcement family so I will start with saying that I am a little biased. What I see is the media taking incidents from around the country and putting a racist spin on many of the stories that are out there.

Are there bad cops? Absolutely! The problem is the publicity and social media jumping to conclusions about what is really going on. Was this officer out of line? Yes, I think he handled it incorrectly. Is he a dirt bag because of it? I seriously doubt it. He would not be in that position if he was a poor role model.

Another incident was the shooting in L.A. of a "homeless man" who was chased down the street by 4 police officers before he was shot to death. That story disappeared within 2 days when the media found out that he was an international criminal and he had taken a weapon off one of the officers and aimed it at the others. You couldn't see that in the video, but that was the truth of the matter.

Law enforcement, like the military are there to ENFORCE the laws, not make them. You don't call a police officer to handle a teenage girl who is being passively indignant with a teacher. He should never have been called. That is NOT why he is there. He is there to deter bad people from doing bad things. He is not the babysitter. The Principal or Guidance Counselor should have been the authority figure to deal with her. And guess what? If they had, we wouldn't even be talking about this.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Oct 31 at 2015 10:41 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Sat, 31 Oct 2015 22:41:53 -0400

Police brutality is real, the videos don't lie.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2016 2:58 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 30 Jun 2016 14:58:48 -0400

I believe this to be true. We now live in a society that means saying anything might offend someone so we should all keep our mouths shut. In reality, most police officers are just doing their job but society thinks that they no longer have to listen to police or follow laws.. which is pure BS..

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2016 2:52 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 06 Jul 2016 14:52:49 -0400

I see incidents of police brutality as symptomatic of unprofessional/poorly managed and under-resourced police departments. Desperate and angry people in areas with little or no economic opportunity and police forces that fail to effectively engage with community leaders and participate in community activities. I also believe that such occurrences are far rarer than most people suppose, because of the amount of publicity each incident receives.

Response by SPC Chelsea Fernandez made Jul 10 at 2016 1:42 PM

SPC Chelsea Fernandez — Sun, 10 Jul 2016 13:42:49 -0400

I don't agree with this statement. There are good cops out there and encounter many for speeding tickets and end result was always a slap on a wrist. Then there are those cops who feels like their power. I'm sick and tired of hearing "I was fearing for my life". Everyday when I put this uniform on I fear for my life but that does't mean we she shoot anyone in out path. All lives will matter until African American are treated as such just like everyone else. No one don't understand how hard we have to fight to get acknowledged in this world. As an African American, I am afraid for my nephews who have to grow up in this cruel world knowing they are walking statistic. Please don't get me wrong I', not racist or anything but I was taught to love everyone despite the color of their skin, sexual orientation, etc and I dislike everyone the same. We as a nation need to get ourselves together and come as one. Terrorist group are seeing how us and how we're acting and can use that against us or they could be planning another attack. I fought for my country and now it time for me to fight for my people.