Terrorism has been nothing to worry about in the US! Your Thoughts?

2015-11-24T18:27:52-05:00

Terrorism has been nothing to worry about in the US prior to 9/11 and until today. We have spent a trillion dollars on the intelligence community since 9/11 to fight this non-threat. You have a bigger threat when cross a street at night in on a rainy day or getting hit by lighting.

There is scientifically irrefutable evidence that Americans have been lied too about the mass murder on 9/11 and the 9/11 Commission was a cover up. We need a new Congressional investigation to get at the truth.

In addition to the cover up of 9/11 there is the cover up and failure to prosecute those US military officers in the chain of command reasonable the torture at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo. In August 2003, after Iraqis started an insurgency against the US and US supported Iraqis, Rumsfeld wanted Abu Ghraid “Gitmotized” and order Major General Geoffrey Miller to use the cruel and unusual treatment during interrogations that Miller had been allegedly using at Gitmo.

The following are photos obtained via FOIA request by the ACLU of this crule and unusual treatment/torture.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-C2fVXuR6o

Here is another documentary wherein some of the 11 enlisted soldiers who committed or witnessed the torture, talk about Abu Ghriab and the standard operating procedure to “soften up” the POWs for interrogation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVolRm1iqBY&feature=player_embedded

People who want a new Congressional investigation of the mass murder of 9/11.

The Commission, 911 Commissioners Tom Kean and Lee Hamilton said that the FAA and
NORAD did not tell the truth to the Commission in order to mislead them, and 9/11 Commission former US Senators Bob Kerrey and Max Cleland called the Commission’s investigation a cover up.

Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, chair and vice chair wrote an op-ed piece in the NY Times stating the committee was stonewalled by the CIA and the investigation was obstructed government official failed to fully inform a lawfully constituted body. (NY Times, Jan. 2008)

Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the 9/11 Commision. He stated the Bush administration attempted to slow walk the commission into irrelevancy. (Salon, Nov. 2003) “As each day goes by,” Cleland said, “we learn that this government knew a whole lot more about these terrorists before September 11 than it has ever admitted…. They had a plan to go to war and when 9/11 happened that’s what they did; they went to war.” IT IS A SCAM! … an obstruction! See
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rcq3YFq55n8

Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton said that the CIA “obstructed our investigation.” They also said that the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials (NORAD) misrepresented the facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements, yet didn’t bother to tell the American people.
The commission asked for "all documents related to the FAA's tracking of hijacked airliners on 9/11," including communications with the NORAD, that dispatched fighter jets in response to the attacks.
Thomas Kean said. "We were told that documents didn't exist and that we had everything we asked for. We discovered through our own investigation that the FAA had not turned over dozens of boxes of material, including "various (audio) tapes, statements, interview reports and agency self-assessments. I would rather feel that it was a lack of priority or knowledge of what they had, and not that they intentionally tried to hide things from us. But we don't know for sure."
Lee Hamilton says “I don’t believe for a minute we got everything right”, that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, that the 9/11 debate should continue, and that the 9/11 Commission report was only “the first draft” of history.
Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that “There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn’t have access . . . .”
Commissioner Timothy Roemer said “We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting. We were not sure of the intent, whether it was to deceive the commission or merely part of the fumbling bureaucracy." (CNN, Aug. 2006)

Commissioner John Lehman said that “We purposely put together a staff that had - in a way - conflicts of interest“.
The Senior Counsel (investigator) to the 9/11 Commission, John Farmer, said “I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years…. This is not spin. This is not true.”

Ghosts of Abu Ghraib 2007 [Full Documentary]

Ghosts of Abu Ghraib. This is a film that needs to be seen by every American. It is a stark lesson in what happens when we are led by individuals who have no...

Response by CW3 Dick McManus made Nov 24 at 2015 6:28 PM

2015-11-24T18:28:17-05:00

US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.) and Sens. Bob Graham (D-Fla.), Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), Rep. Porter J. Goss (R-Fla.) and Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan) were briefed from 2002 to 2003 in about 30 private briefings, about the planned use of cruel, unusual and inhuman treatment, to include water-boarding, by former President George W. Bush and his subordinates. These Congress people had a Constitutional and legal duty to go public about the planned or on-going use of torture, ghost prisoners, secret jails, and kidnapping and rendition to proxy nations that torture, (all war crimes), not withstanding that these activities were classified.

And he launched an illegal air war against Libya, supporting extremist Muslims who over threw Gaddafi. During Gaddafi's reign, there was very little poverty in Libya. The country had the best living standards in Africa. Libya had free healthcare, free education, free farmland, a house and seeds, free energy bills, $50,000 housing money for just married couples, and interest free loans. Libya was a debt free country (unlike most African states befriended by the West), had near free gasoline prices, plus the government paid half the price for your car, among other benefits. Oh, and the women? Libyan women enjoyed more freedom than their counterparts in the Arab world. In fact, Libyan women enjoyed the same freedom with their Western counterparts. They enjoyed free education, and enjoyed rights that saw them driving cars when the women in the Arab world were jailed for daring to get behind a car wheel. Gaddafi with his revolutionary idea that a woman should be trained in the art of war, walked his talk by employing female bodyguards.

Since the day President Obama took office, he has failed to bring to justice anyone responsible for the torture of terrorism suspects — an official government program conceived and carried out in the years after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

Obama did allow his Justice Department to investigate the CIA's destruction of videotapes of torture sessions and those who may have gone beyond the torture techniques authorized by President George W. Bush. But the investigation did not lead to any charges being filed, or even any accounting of why they were not filed. He refused to prosecute the higher ups who ordered the torture.

Americans have known about many of these acts for years, but the 524-page executive summary of the Senate Intelligence Committee’s report erases any lingering doubt about their depravity and illegality: Scores of detainees were water boarded, hung by their wrists, confined in coffins, sleep-deprived, threatened with death or brutally beaten. In November 2002, one detainee who was chained to a concrete floor died of “suspected hypothermia.”

These are, simply, crimes. They are prohibited by federal law, which defines torture as the intentional infliction of “severe physical or mental pain or suffering.” They are also banned by the Convention Against Torture, the international treaty that the United States ratified in 1994 and that requires prosecution of any acts of torture.

The American Civil Liberties Union and Human Rights Watch are to give Attorney General Eric Holder Jr. a letter Monday calling for appointment of a special prosecutor to investigate what appears increasingly to be “a vast criminal conspiracy, under color of law, to commit torture and other serious crimes.”

But any credible investigation should include former Vice President Dick Cheney; Mr. Cheney’s chief of staff, David Addington; the former C.I.A. director George Tenet; and John Yoo and Jay Bybee, the Office of Legal Counsel lawyers who drafted what became known as the torture memos. There are many more names that could be considered, including Jose Rodriguez Jr., the C.I.A. official who ordered the destruction of the videotapes; the psychologists who devised the torture regimen; and the C.I.A. employees who carried out that regimen.

Starting a criminal investigation is not about payback; it is about ensuring that this never happens again and regaining the moral credibility to rebuke torture by other governments.

Obama has embraced the vast bulk of AWOL Bush's terrorism policies and adopted the defining Bush/Cheney policy of indefinite detention without trial for accused terrorists who had been subjected to torture.

US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.) and Sens. Bob Graham (D-Fla.), Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), Rep. Porter J. Goss (R-Fla.) and Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan) were briefed from 2002 to 2003 in about 30 private briefings, about the planned use of cruel, unusual and inhuman treatment, to include water-boarding, by former President George W. Bush and his subordinates. These Congress people had a Constitutional and legal duty to go public about the planned or on-going use of torture, ghost prisoners, secret jails, and kidnapping and rendition to proxy nations that torture, (all war crimes), not withstanding that these activities were classified.

And he launched an illegal air war against Libya, supporting extremist Muslims who over threw Gaddafi. During Gaddafi's reign, there was very little poverty in Libya. The country had the best living standards in Africa. Libya had free healthcare, free education, free farmland, a house and seeds, free energy bills, $50,000 housing money for just married couples, and interest free loans. Libya was a debt free country (unlike most African states befriended by the West), had near free gasoline prices, plus the government paid half the price for your car, among other benefits. Oh, and the women? Libyan women enjoyed more freedom than their counterparts in the Arab world. In fact, Libyan women enjoyed the same freedom with their Western counterparts. They enjoyed free education, and enjoyed rights that saw them driving cars when the women in the Arab world were jailed for daring to get behind a car wheel. Gaddafi with his revolutionary idea that a woman should be trained in the art of war, walked his talk by employing female bodyguards.

Response by SFC Everett Oliver made Nov 24 at 2015 7:04 PM

2015-11-24T19:04:37-05:00

"There is scientifically irrefutable evidence that Americans have been lied too about the mass murder on 9/11 and the 9/11 Commission was a cover up."

What a load............It's been nearly 15 years and there still isn't an ounce of physical proof of anything other than the official version....That 19 hijackers took over 4 planes and crashed them into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and a field in PA....

And I could care less about a little waterboarding....But feel free to worry about it...

Response by 1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2015 9:33 PM

2015-11-24T21:33:49-05:00

I don't think I agree with you on the debunked coverup thing. Nice try though.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 25 at 2015 9:12 AM

2015-11-25T09:12:42-05:00

what? ok ... no need to worry about terrorism ... right ...

what they are saying is very different than don't over come by fear, they are saying it is a lie. It is a very huge different there.

Response by CPO Robin Beres made Dec 5 at 2015 5:23 PM

2015-12-05T17:23:32-05:00

That the guy's first thought was "How is this going to affect me," says much.

Response by CPO Robin Beres made Dec 5 at 2015 5:50 PM

2015-12-05T17:50:36-05:00

You say: "But remember Saddam Hussan had kept the religious shia and Sunnis from killing each other and Iraq was basically peaceful before Bush et al dragged us into invading based on lies." You forget that Saddam Hussein's regime was brutal. He killed between a quarter and a half million of his own people. His was truly a reign of terror. His sons Uday and Qusay were monsters who were given free license to rape, torture and dismember Iraqis at will. Get your facts right. Having trouble remembering that, sir? Refresh your memory with this TIME magazine (definitely not a conservative rag) from 2003: http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,454453,00.html

Response by CW3 Dick McManus made Dec 25 at 2015 7:02 PM

2015-12-25T19:02:59-05:00

Oops. I meant even today it is nothing to worry about.

Response by CW3 Dick McManus made Dec 25 at 2015 7:10 PM

2015-12-25T19:10:33-05:00

Oops I meant it is nothing to worry about even today.