So... What will it take for our current administration to (A) mutter the word Terrorism, and then (B) decide enough is enough?

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When, will we go all in, and realize this is war, total war... and our response needs to be at least commensurate with these consistent attacks...

Am I the only one who is tired and frustrated?

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 3 at 2015 12:15 AM

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No you are not alone.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 3 at 2015 12:23 AM

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BO is blinded by ideology. He can't see it. Action speaks louder than words and won't do a damn thing about it, except throw a lifeline moored to your neighborhoods to more unvetted enemy combatants.

Response by LTC Stephen C. made Dec 3 at 2015 12:23 AM

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COL Charles Williams, I can't answer either of your questions, and I also am weary of what appears to be inadequate responses to the senseless acts of terrorism that continue to occur.

Response by MAJ Bryan Zeski made Dec 3 at 2015 2:02 AM

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Well, in all fairness, at least in the United States, we kill ourselves (citizen on citizen violence) much more often than terrorists kill us.

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Dec 3 at 2015 2:12 AM

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This reflects his ideological blindness.

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Dec 3 at 2015 2:20 AM

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There are none so blind as those that refuse to see.

Response by PVT Robert Gresham made Dec 3 at 2015 2:47 AM

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It seems that our President is of the opinion that terrorism is "the other guy's problem", COL Charles Williams. His vision is that he will be "the President that defeated terrorism in America" if he ignores it for just one more year. This thinking is both dangerous, and the groundwork for future attacks, and lost lives, on American soil. Only a new, strong, President will take the necessary steps to solve this problem.

Response by PVT Robert Gresham made Dec 3 at 2015 3:08 AM

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Well CW4 Private RallyPoint Member, at least we can be thankful that he didn't blame the San Bernardino shooting on global warming.

This is a problem of appearances versus realities, and our President does not see the realities of terrorism. On the other side, he attempts to blame gun violence on those that go out and buy guns legally, trying to make it more difficult for LEGAL gun sales to take place. At the same time, there is no extra effort being made to address ILLEGAL gun sales. (There is also no solid system in place to mental health issues in our society. But that's a story for another time.)

Until our POTUS, and the lawmakers, are willing to set almost ridiculous penalties for the use of an illegal/stolen gun used in a crime, then this cycle of violence is going to continue. Criminals realize that using, or being caught with, an illegal firearm while committing a crime will get them a maximum of one to two years in jail in most states. Naturally, as soon as they get out, normally in 4 to 6 months, if it was not a "violent crime", the criminal will return to the streets and get another illegal gun, and the process start all over again. It's time to get real with our laws.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 3 at 2015 3:27 AM

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Maybe after someone close to him is effected by terrorism personally.

Response by SSgt David Tedrow made Dec 3 at 2015 4:48 AM

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A new administration.

Response by SGT David D. made Dec 3 at 2015 6:08 AM

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Good question, and the probable answer is: never ever.
Even more disturbing, is the sad fact that once again even before anybody knew any of the details there were people ringing their hands and calling for gun control. Of course one of the first things the press mentions is that at least two of the firearms were purchased legally, and by doing so implying that the system should have stopped this from happening somehow.

Response by Cpl Jeff N. made Dec 3 at 2015 6:40 AM

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The presidents approach to a complex issue (global radical Islamic terrorism) is the act like it does not exist and then try to turn it into a domestic policy issue such as more gun control laws for law abiding citizens to have to follow. His lack of resolve and willingness to go after the jihadists is putting us more at risk and anyone that does not believe this is not thinking clearly.

We don't know the complete story on the couple that did this but they are both muslims, he had recently been to Saudi Arabia and where he married his wife, they had a 6 month old baby. They bought tactical gear, weapons and even go pro cameras. You might ask yourself why they would film these events and where might the video turn up. They had a few hours between the shooting and when they were killed. They could have uploaded it to who knows where.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Dec 3 at 2015 6:45 AM

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The two shooters didn't work there...

Response by TSgt David L. made Dec 3 at 2015 7:01 AM

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If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. To call it work place violence is insane. Yes it happened in the workplace, but it is most certainly domestic terrorism at the very least. I say "at the least" because I haven't seen whether or not they were actual citizens, or on a student or other visa, or illegals. Either way, it is terrorism as it seems that they were ready and prepared to carry out this horrific assault, not just a workplace dispute. IMO of course...

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 3 at 2015 7:13 AM

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That'll depend on an investigation that determines the intent of the shooting.

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Dec 3 at 2015 7:30 AM

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Gut reaction follows:

How many "workplace violence" issues involve multiple people? At that point we are at "Conspiracy level" events. That doesn't make it Terrorism, but it knocks it out of the Workplace category. Terrorism has a specific goal. Change Politics through Fear. This is not an either or issue.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 3 at 2015 7:48 AM

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Muslim Terrorism.

Response by LTC Bink Romanick made Dec 3 at 2015 7:58 AM

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CW4 Private RallyPoint Member I call bullshit. There is no equivalent between the two, therefore the question is moot.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 3 at 2015 8:16 AM

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it depends if two deceased shooters were employees of that facility, i think if they weren't then that should be considered domestic terror.

Response by SGT William Howell made Dec 3 at 2015 8:49 AM

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I believe that this will be answered in time. With this guy going to Saudi last year it does raise a lot of questions.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 3 at 2015 8:59 AM

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Was the Fort Hood shooting terrorism or work place violence? There is your answer.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 3 at 2015 10:30 AM

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Shhh!! Shhh!!! Shut up!! stop talking about it. People will soon forget about this. (sac off)

Response by COL Jean (John) F. B. made Dec 3 at 2015 10:48 AM

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Sgt Philip Edwards The liberal presstitutes are already working damage control of their agenda by blaming "Muslim profiling" and discrimination of the perpetrators because of their Arab ancestry as the cause for this shooting. They are obviously upset that the perpetrators were not white male, Christian, conservative, pro-life "zealots".

Response by TSgt Kenneth Ellis made Dec 3 at 2015 10:55 AM

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I have no friends or family in San Bernadino. It sickens me that Obama says nothing about terrorism but starts hi mantras about gun control. These people were well armed and wearing protective clothing and had a mission. I'm sure if this happened at plan parenthood he would come out and blam pro life Christians and then the gun.

Response by PO1 John Miller made Dec 3 at 2015 11:49 AM

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Did the suspects work at the place where the shooting was carried out? If not, I can't possibly see how it would be considered work place violence.

All preliminary evidence certainly points to domestic terrorism, as stories I've read indicate that the suspects were "devout Muslims."

Response by CMSgt James Nolan made Dec 3 at 2015 1:35 PM

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COL Charles Williams No sir, you are not. It is not only coming to America, it is here.
The question is, what are we going to do about it?

Response by CPT Craig Church, ASLA, LEED GA made Dec 3 at 2015 7:58 PM

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I sincerely feel this is domestic terrorism. A method to dramatically inhibit our communities from gathering, socializing and just being happy and free to enjoy each other. We already have a deteriorating social fabric in our neighborhoods and the proliferation of weapons has not made any of us safer. I know I am probably making this statement on the wrong social network but some kind of gun legislation needs to happen. So far this year we have had 310 mass killings by random (mostly young white males of non-muslim origin with NO link to ISIS) killing because? They were losers who hated themselves and everyone else in the world. On average 15 people are killed in these shootings. So multiply 310 times 15 that equals 4,650 people murdered in 2015 alone. That is more dead than 911. And we are worried about ISIS? We've killed more of ourselves than ISIS ever has. Congress is so quick and expedient to pass legislation restricting Syrian refugee's from entering the country yet we cannot pass simple laws requiring that you be checked to see if you are insane before you buy a gun? Limiting weapons of mass destruction to lunatics?. How is this preventing decent law abiding people from owning guns? I am lost and fed up with this. The pro-gun totting populace says "Oh we need to protect ourselves so we can kill the killers", yet of the 310 mass murders how many law abiding, gun carrying citizens and cops have been mentally tuned to effectively put a bullet into one of these guys heads? Virtually NONE. Obama stated it succinctly that some of these guys on the government watch lists can't even get on a plane yet they can waltz into a gun shop and buy weapons of public mass destruction. We are on Stupid Cruse Control and something has got to be done to protect our children and family's. We all just want to live free and happy like the fathers of this country intended from the beginning. I am hoping that by the next election, the next candidate for president can do something about this wild west mentality this country is so hooked up on. You can hate me for this post, but personally I really don't give a damn.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 4 at 2015 6:57 AM

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I think what bothers me the most is that almost every major news outlet is using the term "mass murderers" in big, bold letters, but if you search and search you'll eventually find a tiny-font URL that says "likely terrorism related." While of course it is a mass murder, it's motives are much different than a disillusioned teenager trying to recreate Columbine.

Is this because the administration literally just told everyone that ISIS was contained? I don't understand.

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Dec 4 at 2015 12:35 PM

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Sir what definition of Terrorism are we using being that every major government agency has it's own, and with mass media paranoia of anything "different" meaning in some cases "olive or dark skin", non Christian, "questionable loyalties", "ME sounding names" what is terrorism, what is "mental illness", and what is just "cold blooded murder"? We just had the planned parenthood shooting last week. That isn't considered by many to be terrorism; but a "mentally ill" American who shot up some people. He had "white" skin, was maybe Christian, and hated abortion. Sounds to me what he did was terrorism, domestic terrorism. But I'm in the minority with so much hate towards planned parenthood. Now with this, Trump brings out of course he was a terrorist. He had a "name". So how are we helping ourselves by breeding more and more discontent and I'd say McCarthyism what 70 years after everyone and their grandmother had to prove they weren't communist? Do I need a Certified Christian Card and a shave? The Abortion Clinic bomber wasn't considered a terrorist as fast as these were, and he was caught. No one really knows anything about these two other than stuff that is SUSPECTED, not known at all, or is filled in by "expert" testimony on every single lamestream media station. Hell I can't name ONE station that has produced ONE factual shred of evidence NOT based off speculation that shows these two were "Radicalized". Went to Saudi...check. They're Muslim, and they're required to do the Hajj once in their lives. Went to Pakistan...again suspected, but shown as fact. Brought wife here...fact. He got her a visa. Got into discussions with a Jew over religion...no one came to blows, yet it's portrayed as if there was a "beef". Hell I do that with fellow Christians. No beef here. Had a lot of ammo...check. An article was posted where a man had 5000 weapons in his house, most were illegal. What's worse? Hell I know of weapon owners who have a few thousand rounds in their house, and they're not nutjobs.
I'm frustrated that many won't look at things objectively, and when someone does or seems pragmatic in their rush to decide what is or isn't considered terrorism they're considered weak. I'm frustrated at the notion that we're so quick to label everyone of a particular group as something bad (Anyone from the ME or below Texas); but when it comes to others, they get the 'Murica Pass (Cops for example), and we're told they're not all bad. What are we going to do, start the camps up we did with the Indians and the Japanese Americans because of the way they look? The Movie "The Siege" even goes into how paranoia breeds major mistakes, with Bruce Willis BEGGING them not to make him do what they asked. It was a cheesy movie then, that has a serious point now. Deport thousands based off paranoia we seem to feed off? I prefer the manner Obama uses in this case to wait and see what the evidence produces, and not what Bill O'Riley, Anderson Cooper, Racheal Maddow, or anyone else wants him to say or not say. Even here on RP, I'm noticing a lot more "talks" about defending ourselves against....ourselves. While I'm determined to see the good in people, being the bad always seems to shine through when it's convenient, I won't lie and say I have a blind eye to what's going on. We are a country of the FREE, protected by the BRAVE, but it seems we're a country of the paranoid, fed by those who manipulate the paranoia to suit themselves and their agendas, and where the masses eat up the paranoia like it was a fresh cheeseburger. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-san-bernardino-shooting-appears-tied-terrorism/story?id=35561319

Response by SPC Charles Brown made Dec 4 at 2015 8:56 PM

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No, you aren't the only one. When an elected official refuses to use a specific term or phrase in relation to something that presents itself he or she is refusing to see the truth. Taking into consideration exactly whom we are talking about here the fact that this is the case comes as no surprise to me.

Response by Capt Walter Miller made Dec 5 at 2015 7:35 AM

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This is a straw man post.

General Dunford has said that the right policies are in place.

Further, the Muslim nations need to take the lead in this, not us. We have plenty of other problems.

Walt

Response by PO3 Brad Phlipot made Dec 5 at 2015 6:12 PM

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No sir, you are not. Many of us grind our teeth and discuss what more can we do? Sticking to the Oath we all took, anything preemptive would be terror or treason would it not? In Virginia alone there are 4 known terrorists training centers but the name of their group is not on the state dept terror watch list. We have all HAD ENOUGH OF THIS BS and are tired of being told stand down. Does that answer your question Sir?

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 5 at 2015 11:03 PM

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Benghazi, Paris and San Bernardino were not "peaceful" protests by disgruntled employees.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 5 at 2015 11:09 PM

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I belonged from 2000-2003 to the former 1/185 Armor CAARNG 3 miles N. or so of the attack location. It was strange to know in August I ate a meal one mile away S. of the incident. I never expected to this to be up there with the Paris attacks. I am so sorry to the dozens of victims both injured and deceased. The reponse from the SBDO, Colton and other Police and Sheriff's Dept. was excellent! Don't mess with the Inland Empire Law enforcement. The continuing drug and gang war there kept them ready for this.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 5 at 2015 11:12 PM

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The attorneys for the family members there shock me. I know those family members are not part of the problem and I empathize with their loss and their pain too.... but to protect their honor with what I heard their lawyers say on camera a couple of days ago blows me away. The FBI final report will tell the truth.

Response by SFC William Farrell made Dec 5 at 2015 11:28 PM

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You know COL Charles Williams, they probably never will because i almost suspect he supports it. Did anyone happen to notice that he was pretty quick to go on TV and use the California attacks to talk about how guns are the problem but when it comes to talking about terrorism, he lets it wait until Sunday evening, perhaps when his golf game is over!

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 6 at 2015 1:21 PM

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The President did say it was most likely terrorism. I just saw this on the Army Times. Col. Williams the media and the President did the right thing. Common sense prevailed.

http://www.armytimes.com/story/news/2015/12/06/obama-islamic-state-oval-office-address-san-bernardino/76880354/

Obama to discuss 'the broader threat of terrorism' in Oval Office address

WASHINGTON -- President Obama will speak to the the nation Sunday night on what the White House called his top priority: Keeping Americans safe from terrorism. In an address from the Oval Office, Obama will

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Dec 6 at 2015 7:17 PM

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I am sure we will apologize to the Muslims for not making the world a more lucrative place to live, thereby, causing such vitriolic actions.

Response by COL Charles Williams made Dec 6 at 2015 11:10 PM

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I guess this was the straw???? Odd, but OK.... Deeds not Words.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/06/politics/obama-oval-office-address-isis-terror/index.html

Obama acknowledges California attack was act of terrorism, confident military will defeat 'terrorist plotters' President Barack Obama on Sunday issued his most passionate denunciation yet of ISIS, vowing to "destroy" the group in a relentless, strong and smart campaign that is consistent with the nation's values.

Show me the money.

Obama: 'This was an act of terrorism' - CNNPolitics.com

President Barack Obama on Sunday issued his most passionate denunciation yet of ISIS, vowing to "destroy" the group in a relentless, strong and smart campaign that is consistent with the nation's values.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2015 7:10 AM

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No sir, you are not alone on those sentiments. The population is lazy, to at least dig and learn of what we face. They rather are more concerned on trivial hollywood knowledge, or what is popular or not. For 15 years we are on constant war, with these jihadists, to their pervasive and evil ways of life, and how that has permeated in our soil, contrary to what we fight to defend, our constitution. Not only that, but they believe that Islam is a religion of peace. Sharia, or any law concerning the violation of ones sacred bill of rights is contrary to what we believe on, but yet the left is bent on trying to censor speech or create blasphemy laws as well to forbid to call a spade a spade, such as islamic terrorism.

Falcon one zero four...

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Dec 10 at 2015 2:17 PM

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Have you watched the fiction movie, "White House Down"? That is what it would take.

Response by SSG Todd Halverson made Dec 10 at 2015 2:39 PM

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The next elected President....

Response by LTC Paul Labrador made Dec 10 at 2015 3:12 PM

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After they figure out that gun control isn't the issue here...

Response by MSgt Michelle Mondia made Dec 12 at 2015 2:19 AM

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It's as frustrating as the GOP not acknowledging climate change. ya know if you change the word terrorism to climate change the argument works for both ways, LOL! try it.

Response by PVT Raymond Lopez made Mar 6 at 2016 8:29 PM

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Does the phrase when Hell freezes over rang a bell to anyone?

Response by SSG Phil Mullins made Mar 7 at 2016 11:52 AM

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never happen