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A Federal Judge has ruled that Iknoor Singh's adherence to his Sikh faith - wearing facial hair, keeping his hair long, but wrapped in a turban, and carrying a sharp knife on his person - would not diminish his capacity to serve the nation he loves, the United States of America, as a future Officer in the United States Army. Do you feel too many allowances are being made for his faith or do you feel he should be welcomed into the ranks if he can successfully fulfill the requirements for Commissioning? What say you, RP?
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MINEOLA, NY — A Sikh college student from New York said Monday he is excited about a federal court decision that will permit him to enroll in the U.S. Army's Reserve Officer Training Corps without shaving his beard, cutting his hair, or removing his turban.

U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson issued the ruling Friday in Washington, D.C., saying 20-year-old Iknoor Singh's adherence to his religious beliefs would not diminish his ability to serve in the military.

"I didn't believe it at first when I heard about the decision," said Singh, who lives in the New York City borough of Queens.

He told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Monday: "It was kind of surreal. This is something I have been fighting for for two or three years. I'm excited and nervous; very excited to learn."

Singh, who will be a junior next fall studying finance and business analytics at Hofstra University on Long Island, said he has had a lifelong interest in public service. He speaks four languages — English, Punjabi, Hindi, and Urdu — and he said he wants to work in military intelligence.

"Becoming an officer is not an easy thing," he conceded. "You have to be proficient in many areas."

Sikhism, a 500-year-old religion founded in India, requires its male followers to wear a turban and beard and keep their hair uncut.

Under a policy announced last year, troops can seek waivers on a case-by-case basis to wear religious clothing, seek prayer time or engage in religious practices. Approval depends on where the service member is stationed and whether the change would affect military readiness or the mission.

Currently, only a few Sikhs serve in the U.S. Army who have been granted religious accommodations.

In her ruling, Jackson said, "It is difficult to see how accommodating plaintiff's religious exercise would do greater damage to the Army's compelling interests in uniformity, discipline, credibility, unit cohesion, and training than the tens of thousands of medical shaving profiles the Army has already granted."

Army spokesman, Lt. Col. Ben Garrett, said in a statement the decision is currently being examined. "The Army takes pride in sustaining a culture where all personnel are treated with dignity and respect and not discriminated against based on race, color, religion, gender and national origin," he said.

Hofstra spokeswoman Karla Schuster said in a statement that the university "supports Mr. Singh's desire to serve his country, as well as his right to religious expression and practice. We are pleased that the courts have affirmed that he can do both as a member of the ROTC."

Gurjot Kaur, senior staff attorney for the Sikh Coalition, said the decision was "an important victory in the fight for religious freedom. We urge the Pentagon to eliminate the discriminatory loopholes in its policies and give all Americans an equal opportunity to serve in our nation's armed forces."

The American Civil Liberties Union and a group called United Sikhs jointly represented Singh in the case.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/queens/sikh-student-queens-clear-join-army-rotc-article-1.2259423
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PO1 Shahida Marmol
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This is a volunteer service. There are rules and policies in place. You want to join? Follow the rules and policies. You don't want to follow, don't join.
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SFC Retired
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it is a victory unless you are a Christian..
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SPC Joshua Heath
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SFC (Join to see) - How does it hurt you as a Christian for this gentleman to follow his faith?
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SPC Joshua Heath
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I think our country and our military is well served by Sikhs, and I think it is a small allowance for Sikhs to be allowed to serve and adhere to the requirements of their faith.
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LCpl Todd Houston
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That's the whole point!!!! This country was started on a Judeo-Christian principle, and a promise to TOLERATE other "religions". I don't give two shits about anything else. I'm a self-described Redneck. Tell me SSgt history professor, where did that come from? And don't regurgitate Wikipedia. I know a hell of a lot more of what I talk about than you think there Scoobie.
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SPC Joshua Heath
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LCpl Todd Houston - This country was not founded on Judeo-Christian principle, it was founded on rational ideas and concepts of liberty. Some of those concepts are descended from Judeo-Christian theology, and many are descended from pre-Christian philosophy and more philosophies that focused on reason and natural law. This country wasn't founded a philosophy of tolerance, but a philosophy that accepted the identity of American as primary to any subordinate identity, like religion.

What harm can come to our military or our country in general by allowing this gentleman and others to adhere to his faith requirements? His religious needs cause no harm to others, nor to himself. As SSG Webster pointed out above, you seem to be conflating this man's faith with the same faith as Maj Hasan. That is untrue, the Sikh faith is drastically different from Islam, particularly in that is focuses on the need to protect the society one lives within, and that includes a preference for taking up arms to defend that society. This is why I stated our military would be served well by Sikhs. They have a religious, and a cultural drive to serve in the military. Why would we prevent that?

Furthermore, even if this gentleman was a Muslim, that should not allow for him to be discriminated against either. Islam is as complicated and conflicted a faith as all the Abrahamic traditions, and Muslims that wish to serve this country with honor are welcome to stand beside me at any time.
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SSG Robert Webster
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LCpl Todd Houston - First of all, I have no need to regurgitate Wikipedia. Next, I happened to have served during a period where Sikhs were allowed to serve, and met a couple that happened to have served at Fort Bragg in the late 70's. Next, I am not a self-described Redneck as you are; I am a Redneck and I came by that appellation by heritage and rural upbringing. As far as my personal religious views, I am a theist with a leaning toward being an agnostic, which has led me to the study of religion and religious beliefs.

Thank you for the history professor title - though I do not have a degree in history, I have taught history and history is part of my current job. As an amateur historian my interest are normally in the following areas; military, genealogical, human migration, and religion.

You may know more about what you talk about, but you betray yourself in your statements. Last but not least DO NOT call me Scoobie - I am not a pothead.
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LCpl Todd Houston
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I shall refrain from further calling you Scoobie, Snaggletooth Snagglepuss. Besides, I have much more respect for Scoobie..............and potheads. Your arrogance makes me sick.
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Sgt David G Duchesneau
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An Army Jurdge did this? WTF-OVER!
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MCPO Roger Collins
MCPO Roger Collins
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Exceptions have been made in the past for AD. Why not ROTC?
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SGT Glenn E Moody
SGT Glenn E Moody
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if he takes that rag off his head shave & ware the uniform properly then fine but if he is going to dress like this photo then hell no.
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SGT Glenn E Moody
SGT Glenn E Moody
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i never liked the ROTC. it was because of a butter bar LT. who never went to OCS. he joined the Guard from the ROTC. and they made him a 2nd LT. i did my time but because i didn't have A High School Diploma or A GED. they held back my E5 rank. then we got this ROTC 2nd LT started fucking with me. pardon my french. but this is the only way to put this. 1st he stole my spare barrel bad from my fox hole so i took it back. when he came up to me and said ware is my Equitment i said rite here. he then said how did i get that it was in his tent. the same way he got it he took it from me i took it back. he didn't like that. 2nd thing he did the chow run and alowed his driver to leave his weapon between the seat's of the Jeep a cook stole it the whole base was shut down until the 45.cal M1911 was found so the whole company had to walk from our field pisitions to the chow hall looking for the missing weapon. so on the walk me and my ass. Gunner found a dobble hooked chain in a puddle in the road our 1st LT had a personal Jeep of his own he told us to fall out of the search and bring the chain back for him. the ROTC 2LT was so pisstoff he started to yell at us told us we ware AWAL and we are getting an art. 15 the 1st LT was the X-O. heard this came over and told him we are on a specail assingment for him. so he maid it his mission to fuck with me that is why i got out as an E-2 but it was HONORABLE DISCHARGE so that is why i hate the ROTC.
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these are signs that say it is time to retire..
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SSgt Terry P.
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This is simply ludicrous.A person supposedly to become an officer and doesn't respect the policies or regulations?
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SSgt Terry P.
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Hell why not just let everyone wear what ever they want and shave their head or grow it out shoulder length and wear any type facial hair they wish,tattoos and piercings of any degree room service and maid service.Why have any discipline or organization.
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SGT Airborne Ranger
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Did I join the military ? Or did I join a corporation that changes the rules to suit people's wants ?
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SPC Dr. Ernest Rockwell
SPC Dr. Ernest Rockwell
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You mean like the 1986 change that essentially disbarred Sikhs from wearing their beards?
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Capt Pat Thomason
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Can Christians openly wear crosses? Can Jews grow beards and openly wear the star of David? Nope. Was I allowed to wear any facial hair other than a mustache that if in regs looked like a Hitler mustache? Nope. Couldn't get a seal on my oxygen mask or gas mask with facial hair. Are they also going to be forced to make a "Dark Helmet" sized helmet for this guy? Can I display a Christian flag on my quarters on base? Nope. Can gays display gay pride flags on their on-base quarters? Yep. Our politically correct idiot politicians and their cadre of progressive lawyers are destroying our military by creating "protected classes" both in society and in our nation. There should be ONE set of standards in the military for all. No different standards for men and women or different races and religions, and standards NOT lowered to meet quotas or accommodate specific groups. Meet the standards? Welcome aboard. Don't meet the standards? Burger King is still hiring.
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SSG (ret) William Martin
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No one is batting eye with this Sikh and when a Christian person wants to display a verse somewhere, people lose their minds.
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SGM Ncoic
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Interesting point.
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A1C Ken Tiedeman
A1C Ken Tiedeman
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Amen to that! Where's the balance? Where's the"tolerance"? Why are other cultures being given place over ours? What happened to the rule of law? What happened to the Code of Military Conduct? Apparently, it applies to everyone EXCEPT to those who object. With this kind of "leadership" the country is definitely on the fast track to destruction.
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SGT Jason Weisbrich
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Sadly the administration sits idly by as this kind of nonsense pervades. Sadly the military leadership has allowed the court to dictate policy where it has no jurisdiction. UCMJ was created by Congress and it is therefore only the prerogative of congress to amend or abolish such laws. Again with the overreaching of powers which has been indicative of this administration.
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SSG Bryan Van Hoose
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The military has gotten soft. Rules and regulations exist for a reason and if this man wants to play soldier, he should follow the rules like I had to. I wasn't allowed to grow a beard, I wasn't allowed to wear a turban, bringing religion into a profession where people are expected to be the SAME regardless of ethnicity or religion only serves to stir the pot.
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SGT Richard Ellis
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Let him serve proudly. But he has to adhere to the regulations in place. especially uniform regulations. My religion says that I'm not supposed to exercise, but I still had to, as well as take and pass the APFT every year. Another rule of my religion is to smoke a cigarette every 15 minutes of the day, and ya can't do that hardly anywhere in the military any more. Where is my religious freedom?
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SGT Richard Ellis
SGT Richard Ellis
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SrA Mandy Mendez, Have you ever been to my church?
Don't assume that you know every religion in the world.
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PFC Chris Hemingway
PFC Chris Hemingway
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Exactly what relion is that
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PFC Chris Hemingway
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My last comment was for sgt richard ellis
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SGT Richard Ellis
SGT Richard Ellis
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Church of the garage.
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Cpl Christopher Kelley
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This is just going too far in the realm of political correctness. If he wants to practice his religious freedom, do so in an environment that is conducive to him doing so. Period. The US military should never bend it's rules to appease anyone, there's a reason those rules are in place.
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SSG Robert Webster
SSG Robert Webster
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CPL Kelley, Do you know what those rules are? The true reason for those rules? When they were originally implemented?
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Cpl Christopher Kelley
Cpl Christopher Kelley
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No, of course not. I don't know anything about military rules, traditions or anything else for that matter. I am just a lowly Marine
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SPC Adam Kuykendall
SPC Adam Kuykendall
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I know the reason for no beards is simple. Do wants gas masks to seal, a clean shaven face supports the seal. I still have more respect for Sikh's than Muslims, and I know they were fierce fighters in the British Army. Let him alone, and let him prove his mettle.
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SSG Robert Webster
SSG Robert Webster
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CPL Kelly, I believe that you are being either facetious or sarcastic, but I am trying to make a point. Concerning the Navy, here is a prime example of what I am referring to -

In 1981, CNO Adm. Thomas Hayward sought to institute “Pride in Professionalism” by tightening regulations even further. No one under the rank of petty officer 3rd class was permitted to have a beard, nor were officers of “special authority or highly visible positions.”

The razor finally dropped in 1984 when CNO Adm. James D. Watkins banned all beards. The concern that a sailor with a beard would not be able to gain a proper seals with his emergency breathing apparatus frequently was given as the reason. However, the blunt-speaking Secretary John Lehman said that it was simply due to aesthetics. Lehman said that master chiefs had been complaining that beards made the Navy look “extremely un-uniform” so it was decided that having clean-shaven sailors would bring “a general sharpening of appearance.” Moustaches were allowed, but could not extend beyond the upper lip line.
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