Should We Watch the ISIS Video of the Jordanian Pilot?

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 10:51:30 -0500

Should we as Americans view the video of the Jordanian pilot being executed by ISIS? Many news media organizations are refusing to show it due to its sheer brutality and disturbing nature. They argue that it helps to spread ISIS's propaganda message of terror and fear. Other news organizations have shown pictures from the video and have provided links (with warnings about the graphic content) to the video in full. They argue that it is necessary to understand the magnitude of the incident. I have my own thoughts on this ethical dilemma, but I want to hear what the RallyPoint community thinks about this. Should the video be shown in the media? Would you watch it? Is it spreading terrorist propaganda or understanding the enemy?

Response by MAJ Jim Steven made Feb 4 at 2015 11:05 AM

MAJ Jim Steven — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 11:05:05 -0500

Complicated. If I was in a group of SOF types going in for some direct action, it would be good to know the enemy and know why I am being sent in.
I also think the far left and anyone who doesn't get that there is true evil in the world might nerd to see it.
On the flip side....many don't need to see it...I got it, the guy got burned alive...I don't need to see the video, I just need a deployment order and a ULN.

Response by Maj Matt Hylton made Feb 4 at 2015 11:06 AM

Maj Matt Hylton — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 11:06:03 -0500

Not showing or watching the video is being dishonest to yourself and the public.

We all need to be aware and witness the EVIL committed by these people and understand their mentality. That is the only way the American public will realize what the world is up against with the threat.

Public opinion will be a deciding factor as to how to handle ISIS and if we should actually declare war on them as we have with al-Qaeda.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2015 11:23 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 11:23:27 -0500

I don't need to watch wealthy Western men raping young women to understand the evils of human trafficking. I don't need to see decapitated Mexican police officers to understand the evils of the drug cartels. I don't need to see honest men of integrity being immolated to understand the evils of ISIS.

I personally choose to remember the pilot as he was and as he should still be, a smiling, handsome, brave man who did his very best for his country.

I have never watched a decapitation video, going back to the first ones in 2004. I refuse to give these people the satisfaction.

Response by MSgt Michael Durkee made Feb 4 at 2015 11:50 AM

MSgt Michael Durkee — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 11:50:41 -0500

Hearing that it happened was enough, I don't feel there is any value in viewing it. Likewise with the beheadings and other brutalities recorded. There is definitely value to the phrase "wishing you could unsee something"

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Feb 4 at 2015 11:52 AM

Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 11:52:36 -0500

It's complicated.

I have no intention of watching a man being burned alive. I've seen enough atrocities, and I have enough nightmares. I don't need more.

That said. The video should exist. Just like the holocaust videos should exist. Just like that endless loop of the towers falling. Sometimes you have to document the horrors. Sometimes you need records to show the monsters just aren't under the bed. I won't fault anyone else for watching them.

I know these monsters are real.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2015 12:02 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 12:02:38 -0500

I think that the real answer you are looking for sir depends on what the maturity and ethics of the individual watching, of course you don't want someone to watch it any more than you would want your kids to see it, however it is important that those that want to see it to be allowed to see uncensored material from news sources that exercise their first amendment rights. I do feel that any news source foreign or domestic should include warnings of graphic or extreme graphic content so that it may be at the viewers discretion. Yes, I would watch the video because though many enemies push propaganda I feel that it allows one to understand the enemy.

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

Response by LCpl Steve Wininger made Feb 4 at 2015 12:41 PM

LCpl Steve Wininger — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 12:41:52 -0500

we just had this discussion an hour ago in my journalism class. In my opinion, only a link to the video should be shown with a warning about the graphic nature of the video.

If a person chooses to view it, that is there choice, and it should not be denied them.

I think the propaganda argument is weak. I believe most people who view the video will be more outraged than anything.

The terrorists have their own network and ways of getting the video out without the media. I think the rage against terrorism will far surpass any advantages the terrorists may gain.

I talked with some Muslim friends of mine last night and they say it is horrific what the terrorists are doing. Some have even condemned it.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2015 1:06 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 13:06:35 -0500

I have seen the photos and video(s), I am so far desensitized/detached. It merely emphasizes the voracity of the animals, yes they are bantha fodder, they are the lowest of the animal kingdom, parasites.

We here know such atrocities & violence exist. But others, namely civilians, delude themselves into thinking such a thing couldn't happen. They couldn't be anymore wrong as history has shown us. Most every country has some sort of skeletons in their closet, some sorted past, it's right there, that information is right there at your fingertips, just go look it up. But no, some people would rather turn a blind eye.

There is no reasoning, no bargaining, no compromising with this lot, only complete and utter submission and even then you live your life in fear still. I choose not to be a prey but choose to be an apex predator. I have a lot of fight in me left even for an old sheepdog.

Jordan should do what it says its going to do, show the world for all to see. France killed those terrorists couple of weeks ago, not capture them alive so they can get there 15 minutes of fame in front of CNN/Fox news. That's how you deal with terrorists, direct and deliberate fire upon the enemy, no quarter, no mercy, no where to hide, no stone upturned.

Response by MSG Mitch Dowler made Feb 4 at 2015 1:11 PM

MSG Mitch Dowler — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 13:11:39 -0500

It is important to document the atrocities of those who commit crimes against humanity. Even with the documentation we do have there are Holocaust deniers and folks who still claim Islam is a religion of peace. Those who practice radical Islam torture, rape and murder those who disagree with them. Those who practice moderate Islam provide funding and logistics to those who practice radical Islam.

Response by MSG Scott McBride made Feb 4 at 2015 1:20 PM

MSG Scott McBride — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 13:20:49 -0500

I served in Amman, Jordan for several weeks and I thought it was a great place. Very warm people and American friendly. That said, make no mistake, the Jordanians Armed Forces (JAF) and the King are going to take good care of these ISIS a-holes...JAF is relatively quiet but have a SOC and a very capable military and this event is going significantly disrupt ISIS operations. I hope we back them.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2015 2:02 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 14:02:19 -0500

When the towers fell on 9/11, we had a TV set up in our Guardmount room. It stayed on the news channels 24 hours a day. We muted it only to call roll, assign posts, and brief the oncoming shifts. If anyone needed to know why they were arming up that day, there was the TV.

About a month later, our Support Group Commander gave a briefing in the base theatre. On the screen behind him were pictures of the terrorists on the planes. He started his briefing with “Just so everyone knows, I want anyone how aided these sons of bitches dead.”

It was steeling. It kept us focused. It replaced the pain and fear with something else; something more sinister and more useful.

I watched the video. It was gruesome. Does the general public need to see it? Will it enlighten them before it desensitizes? I don’t know. But we, as members of the military, absolutely needed to watch those towers fall all day long.

Response by SGT Steven Eugene Kuhn MBA made Feb 4 at 2015 2:53 PM

SGT Steven Eugene Kuhn MBA — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 14:53:28 -0500

I think ALL MUSLIMS should watch this, all those who claim to be moderate but refuse to speak out against atrocities, maybe this will make the difference...sounds harsh I know but I have just about had enough of these losers, we are giving them way to much room to operate and giving them way to much credit.

Response by SGT Francis Wright made Feb 4 at 2015 3:02 PM

SGT Francis Wright — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 15:02:46 -0500

Still need to be able to watch if one desires and but to have it sensored is not right. Just because it may offend someone because if one would be offended how offended will they be when they are in the cage?

Response by MSG John Wirts made Feb 5 at 2015 1:06 AM

MSG John Wirts — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 01:06:52 -0500

I feel strongly that we should show this video, it shows the LIE of Islam being a religion of peace! To those Muslims who say that is not us! Do you support "Muslim training Camps?", do you allow their Commanders to recruit in your mosque? Have you denounced Muslim Terrorism, Murder of non-combatant citizens in the area of a conflict? If you answered yes to any of the above YOU ARE SUPPORTING TERRORISM and are not a religion of peace!

Response by LTC Stephen C. made Feb 5 at 2015 8:54 AM

LTC Stephen C. — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 08:54:54 -0500

CPT Private RallyPoint Member, I have not and will not watch any such video.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 9:33 AM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 09:33:51 -0500

I don't think it's an ethical issue. If you watch, it will bring home the inhumanity of our enemy.

That said, I don't care to watch it. You'll never be rid of those images. They'll stick with you for a long time. It's a personal decision, but I think I'm better off not having those images in my brain.

If you do watch, however, pay close attention to the people gathered around the pilot. It's clear that this is not a rag-tag group of farmers. They are all wearing the same uniform, all equipped the same way, all standing in a similar way...these are not the "insurgents" we've been fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq for the last decade. They are highly organized, well disciplined, and well-equipped.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 9:51 AM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 09:51:57 -0500

I'm not into snuff films. I did see couple of mexican cartel videos where they cut heads off with ax and another where they used the chainsaw...gruesome. made me angry too

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 10:20 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 10:20:03 -0500

SSG Private RallyPoint Member, thanks for your input. I am still curious though, do you disagree with the question, the subject matter, or is it something else?

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 10:43 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 10:43:03 -0500

It is important to be able to see it. However, I think sharing still images is just enough to showcase the horrors of it. I'll do everything I can to protect my daughter from the evil of the world for as long as I can so that she understands the pieces that are good in the world, and that there is some good left in some people. My views are relatively jaded from 15 years in the medical field and the things that shock me are very rapidly diminishing. I've seen death and the mourning of families...even though I am not a combat vet. The graphic violence that ISIS endorses is disturbing, but I would rather see them annihilated than take a knee to a bunch of animals.

I don't want my family seeing all of that. Let them grow up to understand that evil exists and it is the jobs of our fighting men to go off and do the "unspeakable truths" that are necessary to protect a free society. Not everyone is mentally equipped to handle the harsh realities of the world outside of the United States and some of the developed nations, and that is a good thing...otherwise such behavior could easily become acceptable here in our own borders.
v/r,
CPT Butler

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 12:03 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 12:03:09 -0500

you wouldnt want to know what i do it thst fucking bunch

Response by CPL Jeffrey Velazquez made Feb 5 at 2015 12:10 PM

CPL Jeffrey Velazquez — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 12:10:03 -0500

I don't think we should show it yet to the world, that is exactly what they want, publicity! and if the media continues, it fuels their cause even more. Keep it Military Eyes Only, the rest of the world just needs to know how he was killed.

Response by SGT Craig Northacker made Feb 5 at 2015 12:42 PM

SGT Craig Northacker — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 12:42:21 -0500

Perhaps we should bring back napalm...

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 12:53 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 12:53:23 -0500

I have nothing against others' watching it, but I never will. Once a graphic image gets caught in my mind, it gives me nightmares and insomnia.

Response by Cpl Glenn Barrick made Feb 5 at 2015 1:23 PM

Cpl Glenn Barrick — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 13:23:46 -0500

It shows how Isis is at there core

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 1:24 PM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 13:24:02 -0500

In my humble (although becoming less and less so all the time) opinion, this should be required viewing. Of course, I'm not going to make anybody watch it, but seeing the act lends a context and gives a weight to the barbarism occurring that is otherwise absent.

I watched it. Was I horrified? Certainly not to the extent I was expecting, watching a man burned to death. Instead, I feel galvanized, steeled against the brutality in the video and more resolute than ever to defeat the threat of radical Islam. Will everybody share my view? Assuredly not. But I think those that decry it as "spreading propaganda" need to reexamine their motives and possibly get over their squeamishness. As an American, I think it does serve somewhat as a propaganda tool, but perhaps not in the way the publishers intended. As with the video of the WTC towers collapsing, I think this and the other videos could be a rallying point to denounce their acts and finally force us into action. Maybe we should see if that's the case.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 1:28 PM

CW4 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 13:28:36 -0500

There is nothing complicated with this issue. ISIS does not understand us as we do not understand them and their methods of war or of terror. They mistake us for a weak nation lacking in moral strength or force of character. That we as a nation and a people would run or bend at our knees to their will. This will not happen. And at the same we don't understand their will to fight on with all the blow's the air strike's are giving them, the hard ground fighting still going on in the area. And they will not bend at the knees to Westerners. An old saying comes to mind, "Don't look back in anger, or ahead in fear but around you in awareness."

Response by PO2 Thomas J. made Feb 5 at 2015 1:33 PM

PO2 Thomas J. — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 13:33:10 -0500

Some 20 million veterans in the US, who do you think will fight the guerrilla war once they reach US soil and begin terrorizing main street USA? We will, along with 17 million avid hunters a few million police officers and of course active duty, guard and reservists. It's important to know what we are up against when dealing with with them.

Response by 1stSgt Timothy Lucas made Feb 5 at 2015 1:41 PM

1stSgt Timothy Lucas — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 13:41:08 -0500

It amazes me that some legitamate companies can spend millions of dollars for a 1 minute television commercial to promote their agenda, but terrorist groups and organizations like ISIS get 24 hour coverage on the news networks for free (promoting their agenda). Just my thoughts.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 1:44 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 13:44:00 -0500

What a fantastic question. It really is. I've personally chosen not you watch it. I'm familiar with what death looks and smells like. I'm well aware of their brutality. I won't learn or gain new knowledge from watching it. On the other side of that, some people aren't to familiar with what that kind if brutality really is. It's too distant, to different, and in the name if tolerance, some may even dismiss the headline on the assumption that no one can judge the savagery of some people. For that reason, I believe that no effort should be made to make the video inaccessible to the public or ban it. These people should be known for who and what they are, and I think the more peace screening naive may have their eyes pried just a little but open from witnessing such brutality. Same goes for the beheadings. I've chosen but to watch those. I don't think they provoke fear, I think they provoke action.

Response by SGT Aaron Olivas made Feb 5 at 2015 1:48 PM

SGT Aaron Olivas — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 13:48:19 -0500

I feel to Service Members It makes us Ready to fight the Evil that has become and continues but the Civilian Sector will only be for most part afraid of ISIS, side note* to all Retired/Veterans and Service Members don't watch it at 1 AM in the morning before going to bed not the best idea.

Response by SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 1:49 PM

SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 13:49:46 -0500

I don't think it's a question of ethics, if you want to watch, then fine. Reading through the comments, the underlying theme is, "I don't need to watch it to know the world is messed up. " Fine, got it, most of us on here have seen enough in our lifetimes to not watch another sick video, but I do believe that most Americans have no clue how barbaric people can really be and how cowed a population can be made. We have been living in a relatively civilized state for so long that most people just don't understand what's on the other side and how quickly things can turn bad. So to me, people that have not been exposed to this, or live in a bubble of E Entertainment and ESPN, should see it to wake them up. This kind of stuff has happened since we began walking upright, so I believe it is important for people to watch, it's not pandering to these animals, just making your self aware.
Now don't get me wrong, my son sure isn't going to be watching this, but one day he is going to need to know how crappy the world is and to be vigilant. Knowing who these people are and what their motivations are is important, they are putting it out there for the whole world to see and daring anyone to stop them.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 2:01 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 14:01:12 -0500

I don't think watching it would help to understand them. We've already seen their brutality in action with previous executions. Simply knowing they burned someone alive is sufficient to show they're evolving their brand of shock and awe. No, I don't think watching the video serves any valid purpose.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 2:29 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 14:29:13 -0500

If you can stomach it, and IF you haven't ever seen an execution like this, or one where someone is beheaded, then yes, you should watch - just once.

Why do I say this: Because YOU, ME, and EVERYONE out there needs to know exactly what evil is. This is evil. Beheading someone is evil. Not that murdering someone with a gun, or stabbing them to death isn't evil, but this is evil on a whole new level - one that we all need to understand.

If you find yourself unmoved or find yourself actually thinking it is either funny, or perhaps thinking that someone deserves to die this way, then you need to immediately go check yourself in to a mental health facility and get examined for any of a number of issues. You should NOT be able to watch any beheading video, or this one, and come away without being disgusted and enraged, that people would do this to any other living thing.

Response by CSM Carlson C. made Feb 5 at 2015 2:38 PM

CSM Carlson C. — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 14:38:37 -0500

Once you watch this, you can't "un-see" it. I don't see the benefit of watching someone burn to death. I would rather remember the young man as he was. I also have never watched the decapitation videos to date. Those are things I don't want to purposefully see. There should be some moral dignity that still exists. What if this was your son, daughter, brother, sister, father, mother? Would you want the world reveling in their cruel death over and over again on the national news?

Response by SPC James Mcneil made Feb 5 at 2015 2:41 PM

SPC James Mcneil — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 14:41:57 -0500

I won't watch it, but that's my decision.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 2:54 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 14:54:55 -0500

I personally think that the video should be left to the individual to decide whether they want to watch or not. The second and third order effects that occurs after watching is the responsibility of the end user. That is purpose of living in a free country. If we want to start censoring things, then I might as well live in the Middle East or Asia.

There is a propaganda message associated with the video, however the video depicts reality of our world. How can we as leaders be expected to execute and make sound judgment when we are consistently sheltered to the grotesque realities of war and evil. Got it, some say that they can understand the evil without watching but can you really? It's not personal until you wafch and experience the array of horrid emotions associated with this video. I find that many in our country choose not to watch the video as an excuse to deny the existence of the suffering of others. "Out of sight out of mind" mentality.

The link to the video is here: http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/glenn-beck-the-world-needs-to-see-the-depravity-of-the-islamic-state-graphic/

You can make your own decision. After watching this myself, it strengthened my resolve and belief in our nation's military.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 2:59 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 14:59:53 -0500

Very touchy subject. This is my first time to plead the 5th

Response by SGT Forrest Perez made Feb 5 at 2015 3:05 PM

SGT Forrest Perez — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 15:05:07 -0500

In basic training we where shown a video of a beheading I can't remember his ethnicity I agree with showing recruits what could happen if captured. It did not create fear in me I just hated the enemy more

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Feb 5 at 2015 3:13 PM

CPT Jack Durish — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 15:13:17 -0500

Fortunately, the news media is not broadcasting these scenes of terrorism. What purpose would it serve?

That is the question I am still considering: What purpose would it serve to broadcast scenes of terrorism?

I can well imagine that the President and his Administration don't want it broadcast. These acts are evidence of the wrong-headedness of his position that the perpetrators are of no consequence - the JV team - and not Muslim or Islamic. Scenes such as beheadings and immolation merely serve to incite the people to take action and the President seems dead set against that. Well, at least not meaningful or significant action.

I can well imagine that there are those in the news media who are champing at the bit to broadcast it. During the Vietnam War, a doctrine arose in newsrooms that "bang-bang" sold papers and grew TV audiences. Of course there is a problem. The current rash of heinous acts are being perpetrated by Muslims. There isn't an American serviceman or woman anywhere in sight. Now, would they broadcast it if an American perpetrated the act? They never broadcast the acts of terror that the VC or NVA used quite frequently. However, let an American break the law and ...

Like I voted, "It's complicated. I have an opinion but there is no easy answer to this question."

Fortunately, it is an individual choice...

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 3:14 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 15:14:28 -0500

I am not sure. I did have the chance to see the one of the first beheading back in 02 and it just made myself and those watching very angry.

Response by SSgt Ronald Heasley made Feb 5 at 2015 3:30 PM

SSgt Ronald Heasley — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 15:30:56 -0500

Yes we should, we have seen what they dish out to non con combatants. The world need to see what the evil men, killing children, women, non fighting men and christens , wrong answer.
Now King of Jordon is in action, about time, it's a bitch a good man has to die in a way no man should ever die, as POW, . Why is not rest the world angered, the Arab world should be. We should fully support Jordanian's lead, and hit them harder with Jordan's help, so that we do not duplicate target. I hope if get a chance nuke em, but I drought our country would do .

Response by COL William Hoppe made Feb 5 at 2015 3:55 PM

COL William Hoppe — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 15:55:57 -0500

I chose to watch all 22+ minutes. Now, I don't speak or read Arabic so the propaganda was lost on me anyway. The brutality of the execution I think is something people need to understand; does that mean you should watch the video; not necessarily. I think, like the Chief Cleric in Egypt that the video does more damage to the IS cause than it does good. The west all condemn it but when Islamic countries condemn the action at the fatwah level, then you know its bad. I think it is a very stark reminder of the kind of evil out there that our men and women in uniform will have to deal with at some point in time. The general population needs to understand these fanatics can not be reasoned with; this video helps reinforce that. I don't recommend letting young children watch it; too graphic.

Response by Maj Mike Sciales made Feb 5 at 2015 4:15 PM

Maj Mike Sciales — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 16:15:53 -0500

If you've ever seen a person burn to death (in real life of movies) then you know the horror. Do you have to see a horror twice to fully appreciate it, or is it necessary for you to put a name and a face and an identity to the horror? It is enough for me to know and understand that Daesh is a criminal organization devoted to terrorism that has rejected every rule of international law for warfare and treatment of prisoners. Because they are completely outside of the law, nations can declare unrestricted total warfare against them which can include the use of small tactical nuclear weapons against their strong holds. The people opposed to Daesh have long abandoned those places or been absorbed into the fold so they are fair combatants. There are no civilians left for us to be concerned about. They need to be hunted down and killed - where ever they are. People who support this criminal enterprise can be labeled outside the law as well. Just put an end to this horror.

Response by CW4 Ray Montano made Feb 5 at 2015 4:43 PM

CW4 Ray Montano — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 16:43:01 -0500

I watched the video, but was mostly interested in the first 16 minutes. I did watch the entire thing. I do not believe that the media should make the decision for us. We, the viewer, should be able to decide to turn away or turn it off. This has little merit, when argued as a method to spread propaganda, as (a) the images work just as well and (b) there are many internet sites that have posted the full video.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 4:57 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 16:57:04 -0500

What is your precise question? Is watching the video unethical? Is publishing/distributing the video unethical? I don't see how watching this particular video is unethical; watching, e.g., child pornography would be unethical. I don't think distributing the video is unethical either. Forcing, coercing, or defrauding someone to watch it is unethical.

I think you ask a second question, namely "Is the video relevant to geopolitics and/or the anti-D'aesh movement?" The video exists and is widespread. Acting like it doesn't exist does not harm D'aesh. Using it as a tool to divide these backbirths from the civilized people they claim to represent and defend is the important next step.

If a picture is worth a mere thousand words, then what is the worth of this video? One may not need graphic depictions to understand the nature and depth of particular evils, but they sure do help get the message out. This premise is fundamental to advertising, art, military psychological operations, etc.

Response by Sgt Adam Jennings made Feb 5 at 2015 4:58 PM

Sgt Adam Jennings — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 16:58:18 -0500

The reason I believe I this important for people to see is because the American people are becoming too insulated from the events of 9/11 and forgetting what true terror looks like and what we're fighting.

Response by SFC Collin McMillion made Feb 5 at 2015 5:03 PM

SFC Collin McMillion — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 17:03:14 -0500

I really find this question hard to reply to. I truly believe people have a right to see the reality of this type of cruelty and terror that IS is spreading because it is too easy just to say this is what happened, but I wonder just how many can handle it. I think maybe it goes back to the old saying, " a picture is worth a thousand words".

Response by SFC Collin McMillion made Feb 5 at 2015 5:15 PM

SFC Collin McMillion — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 17:15:10 -0500

I would like to add one other thing to my earlier response. When I was a police officer, the one thing I could not even for a mental picture of child abuse, but after seeing it first hand I was at least 500 times more compelled to help stop it, so maybe this could also be the response of people seeing first hand this type of brutality and terror.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 5:19 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 17:19:21 -0500

reading about it was enough for me, watching the video is not going to make me dislike isis more or anything like that

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 5:26 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 17:26:58 -0500

I think we as Americans should be given the choice to watch it. We have been handled with kid gloves and protected from everything including ourselves for so long that Americans are forgetting what they have and why it's important to vote and support our military. Aside from service members that have deployed to combat zones, America has no idea what the realities of the world are because the news only shows the fluff. America is long overdue for a wake up call so they are better prepared for the hard realities of hunting the enemy and gathering information.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 5:36 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 17:36:18 -0500

I did watch the video and very much wish I didn't. I never gave it a thought to watch the beheadings so not sure why I watched this. It's not like I dont know how brutal they are. So I guess I just felt I had to. That I needed to really make sure I do understand their barbaric nature. And that they really need to be stopped now rather then later. It is very graphic and not for everyone. The image is pretty ingrained in my mind and I will not soon forget. If you don't have to don't watch it.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 6:25 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 18:25:05 -0500

No! Saw enough brutality in Nam to last me forever. Why would someone want to see something like that?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 6:45 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 18:45:23 -0500

Yes and no, I think that as military members and veterans, we should watch it. Get the fire burning, no disrespect to the Jordanian pilot, something to make us mad and my be reminded us that that could have been one of us. I don't think the average civilian should see it but I can't explain why I feel that way.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 6:52 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 18:52:31 -0500

It's complicated. It should be available for the public to view but not pushed across the airwaves for children to see. Decision makers and the military should see this as a reminder of why we do what we do. If someone falling in to either of those two categories chooses not to watch it, then fine. This needs to be recorded for history sake and seen by those who fight them to motivate you in to ensuring they never succeed. Being in the military is not just a paycheck, but a duty and this is a reminder of what we fight against.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 6:55 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 18:55:34 -0500

I chose not to watch it. To each their own I guess but I have been aware of the evil that we will be facing here soon enough for years. We need to take a stand and put evil where it belongs.

Response by MSgt Hal Weeden, MBA made Feb 5 at 2015 7:24 PM

MSgt Hal Weeden, MBA — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 19:24:33 -0500

I don't think anyone should view any video of a horrific death if not absolutely necessary, and I apply that equally to graphic simulations of such deaths such as in video games.

Now, I know that comment will inflame many, and some will attack my manhood, but I have come to this conclusion after many years of hands-on experience with some pretty grotesque deaths. Sure, my profile shows my military career flying a desk, and I'll be the first to say that I never personally saw a combat death when I was in the AOR. However, before my military career, in my off-duty hours during that entire career, and now in my post-retirement career, I have been in a variety of emergency services positions. During the past 35 years, I have had to provide emergency medical care and/or bag up the remains of those burned to death, shot, stabbed, slashed, hanged, crushed, electrocuted, drowned, sliced up by trains, beaten to death, mangled in vehicles, etc. I believe this body of work qualifies me to speak on this topic.

I think I may understand why many combat troops might suffer from PTSD. The sights and sounds and smells of such events should not be experienced by any person. Intentional voluntary exposure to atrocities such as those shown in the video in question serves no valid purpose other than to satisfy some perverse or morbid curiosity.

I'm far from politically correct, and I've had my big boy panties on for many years. I do not need to watch any video to be as enraged and furious at ISIS as I can possibly be. They are obviously barbaric.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 7:46 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 19:46:44 -0500

The challenge with an enemy like ISIS, is they are only as strong as their ability to instill fear in the Public. Servicemen cannot be expected to receive these images in the same light as the general public. By airing the videos on major news networks, the common man becomes fearful. It also serves as a tool to impressionable folks into joining the movement. I believe the best course of action is to refuse the enemy satisfaction by choosing not to banner the imagery of their hostilities all over mainstream networks. We can acknowledge the persons who have sacrificed themselves in their valiant efforts to dissuade ISIS, by commemorating their lives achievements. Honor the victorious dead, and pay no tribute to the corruption of the enemy.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 8:08 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 20:08:56 -0500

As a human being Im both appalled and curious by the whole thing. Truth be told I've seen a few pics circulating the Internet and I'm not sure I could stomach watching the whole thing.
That said maybe we should watch it. Maybe if enough people saw what was happening enough people would pressure the powers that be to do more than negotiate. As a basic human being im disgusted we've not done more to stop these acts.
I will make mention of Nazi concentration camps and the fact that many believed it wasn't happening or refused to. If they had seen what was really happening I feel as though people would have done more to eradicate the problem. If we don't see what is in front of us and what the problem is ....eradicating it is going to be much harder and people will not believe its a real threat.

Just my opinion

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 8:14 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 20:14:19 -0500

Yes, it should be shown and watched by all. It portrays the evils and views of those out there who appose other ways of life. Just as we showed and watch the video footage of 9/11 as many jump to their death this should also be shown in its context. Those who wish to deny its existence or refuse to show it are but nieve in nature as this is the world we currently live in.

Response by A1C Gregory Beckham made Feb 5 at 2015 8:32 PM

A1C Gregory Beckham — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 20:32:55 -0500

The people who need to see it will see it. The people that don't, won't. If you've never seen anyone die in reality, you might want to. If you have PTSD from 'Nam, for the love of everything holy, don't watch it. You've already seen enough. Just an analogy though. Broad strokes here.

Response by Sgt Nick Marshall made Feb 5 at 2015 8:34 PM

Sgt Nick Marshall — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 20:34:12 -0500

My understanding is that is was not the Jordanian pilot at all. Intelligence sources have said he was probably killed quite a while ago. Does that make a difference?

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 9:13 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 21:13:16 -0500

We can't hide this from the world. This incident has gone too far, and the soldiers of this country are or should be outraged. This level of cruelty and fear cannot be left unchallenged, forget political agendas.

Response by CPT Aaron Kletzing made Feb 5 at 2015 9:39 PM

CPT Aaron Kletzing — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 21:39:27 -0500

I watched it as a healthy reminder of how evil these terrorists are. Scum of the earth.

Response by CPT Aaron Kletzing made Feb 5 at 2015 9:42 PM

CPT Aaron Kletzing — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 21:42:14 -0500

Awesome RP thread. Thanks for posting.

Response by SPC David S. made Feb 5 at 2015 11:24 PM

SPC David S. — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 23:24:42 -0500

Sir as I have already watched the video I had to vote complicated. This is not a video that should be forced on anyone to watch due the extremely graphic content. After watching I have to question the true purpose. To me this is video while touting to be for ISIS recruiting I think it is more a souvenir for the sociopath who produced it. Now with Jordan on board I feel the tide has turned.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 11:40 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 23:40:01 -0500

I have not watched the video. Saw the atrocities first hand being medical we get all casualties... But I also do not believe it should be sensored.. What is the difference between the media showing the video or describing it to us and having commentators and specialists and experts constantly discuss it. Without showing it I think they are doing an injustice to the people in that they are not showing them the truth. The American people have been coddled and pampered so long that they honestly don't understand what we are up against... I say show it, show them in real life (memorex) what is really out there, this is not Hollywood but real life, people are being tortured and killed and this is what it looks like. Put out a warning so people have a choice to watch, switch the channel or send the kids out of the room, then show it in all it's glory!!! Let them see the truth for once, not the rose tinted world and other people's opinions... I say stop protecting the American people from the ugly truth so that they may actually let us protect them from the actual evil....

Response by CSM Steve Suchocki made Feb 6 at 2015 12:41 AM

CSM Steve Suchocki — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 00:41:03 -0500

No. I dont need to see this act to know who barbaric they are. Modern day NAZIs

Response by SPC Christopher Shanahan made Feb 6 at 2015 7:31 AM

SPC Christopher Shanahan — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 07:31:00 -0500

I personally think it is wise for people in the military community to watch the video so we know exactly what we are up against. On the other hand, there are people in America who just can't handle seeing the animalistic tendencies of this "organization". So my answer is yes and no, based on the situation.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2015 8:06 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 08:06:35 -0500

Yes, I've watched it. It's good to know what your enemy is capable of.

Response by SSG Will Tyrrell made Feb 6 at 2015 8:26 AM

SSG Will Tyrrell — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 08:26:50 -0500

I don't feel it is necessary to show the American people these videos. just being said on the news is enough. It is sad. This might annoy some people. We should have not left Iraq. We would have more control. We leave and some other terrorist takes the country. Former President Bush, said in the beginning that the War on Terrorism would take atleast 25 years. We have to stay vigilant. And Yes I deployed for this cause asas an Infantry man. So i do know the sacrifice. I thank everyone for their service.

Response by Cpl Brent Meyer made Feb 6 at 2015 9:10 AM

Cpl Brent Meyer — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 09:10:12 -0500

I have seen the video and anybody that has a stake in protecting this country from enemies foreign and domestic should see the video to understand the mentality of the enemy. On the other hand, I don't think the media should show it though because it is our job to protect innocent civilians from this kind of brutality.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2015 10:04 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 10:04:35 -0500

I do not feel the need to give them the attention they are seeking. I already know that they are deranged.

Response by PV2 Glen Lewis made Feb 6 at 2015 10:22 AM

PV2 Glen Lewis — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 10:22:32 -0500

I think watching it is rather more a macabre fascination than of any real use. The idea of someone being burned alive should be enough to repulse even the most hardcore person. If you need that to know that is wrong I think there is something lacking in you.

Response by CW3 Steve Butts made Feb 6 at 2015 12:02 PM

CW3 Steve Butts — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 12:02:00 -0500

Yes

Response by COL Ted Mc made Feb 6 at 2015 1:03 PM

COL Ted Mc — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 13:03:56 -0500

I'd have appreciated it if the option "There is absolutely no reason for any rational person to watch the video." had been provided.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2015 2:02 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 14:02:55 -0500

We have all been there while on deployment and the conversation come up "Would you leave yourself for capture or would you save the last bullet for yourself?" Seeing him alive for almost 2 mins makes me feels like saving the last round wouldn't be the worst choice of the two... I know many people would say "Well, kill them all and don't worry about it", in my MOS a meeting gone bad can seriously result in possible capture.

Response by MSgt Paul Hammack made Feb 6 at 2015 4:13 PM

MSgt Paul Hammack — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 16:13:14 -0500

I agree with news agencys like Fox that has made the video available on their web site. You can decided if you want to view it or not.

Response by SGT Michael Glenn made Feb 6 at 2015 5:03 PM

SGT Michael Glenn — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 17:03:17 -0500

I dont think we should... it does nothing but instill fear in people and make these clowns stronger.....

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2015 5:07 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 17:07:51 -0500

This is a down edge sword if there ever was one. On one side I do believe that seeing a video of a man loosing his life by being set on fire, is deplorable to the senses of an average human being. I read someone make the comment that, he didn't need to see it to know how bad it is. And to that I personally can agree. But the flip side to that sword is that we live in a world where bad things like a man being set on fire, simply does not shock us. The idea this happened to most in America to most is a bad thing. But, that is based on a simple deduction not experiance. Combine that with the fact that our society is extremely numb to violence. Truth be told, there are multiple stories out there where dosens of people stood around and watched a rape taking place and took no action. I think it is important to put things like this on the TV's in America. Americans need to see first hand the enemy that is out there as more than a boogyman, but a real enemy that if given the oppertunity to do so would have no issue doing the same to them. I wouldn't do so as a rallying call to war, but rather a wake up call. Truth be told, I hear about animals being neglected and beaten in stories before, but it is never as real or sad as when I see that dang SPCA commercial come on. Same idea.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2015 5:47 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 17:47:00 -0500

There is nothing to be gained by watching the video, all you are doing is giving a terror group more influence over you.

Response by A1C Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2015 6:54 PM

A1C Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 18:54:09 -0500

I haven't seen it, but unless you have a good reason to I don't think anyone should watch a man's life be taken.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2015 9:58 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 21:58:56 -0500

There is no real need to view it, but the public should be made aware of the atrocities being committed by IS. As I commonly say. IS isn't going to be a "Middle East problem, let the Middle East handle it" solution. They're activity pushing member cells west to host attacks on our Allied countries and eventually probably our own glorious home turf.

They need to be met with the same ferocity we used facing the Germans and Japanese during WWII. Unconditional surrender.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2015 10:30 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 22:30:31 -0500

it is important for WE THE PEOPLE to see, what kind of Barbarics animals America dealing with, we have a soft Foreign Policy Government and at the same time we as American think they will never get here to our Boders, but the true is we have to be ready our Borders are opens right now from both ends from Canada and Mexico and to be honest I bet you anything they have already infiltrate some of the sleaping cells in America due to a Weak Government and a President who help the enemy more than helping to make a stronger America and the worsen, he is not a Pro Military and he stand with Islam and Muslims even denigrating our Christianity so people we have to be ready don't give up your Weapons and be on the Alert!!!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2015 1:28 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 01:28:38 -0500

Absolutely, what they did was monstrous. Its a difficult thing, to know about it, but not even understand the horror of watching someone burn alive. These terrorists want everyone to know what they did, and we should, not for us to judge, but to watch as they are judged and destroyed, by the many capable military organizations which are willing to hunt them down, root them out and destroy them for their perversion of a peaceful religion.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2015 7:03 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 07:03:01 -0500

I have no need of watching it; it is really unnecessary as the brutality of IS is patently clear without it.

Response by SGT Mark Braden made Feb 7 at 2015 7:54 AM

SGT Mark Braden — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 07:54:10 -0500

World needs to see these scumbags for what they are TERRORISTS and I appauld the King of Jordan this attitude is not to negotiate but to destroy ISIS...

Response by Sgt Alex Bane made Feb 7 at 2015 3:34 PM

Sgt Alex Bane — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 15:34:39 -0500

I dont need to watch the video, to know that they are an evil instituion. But I dont think fear is the feeling that most Americans will feel when they watch that video. Some Americans need to watch it.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2015 3:43 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 15:43:40 -0500

Show me the video whenever I get deployed over there

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2015 3:46 PM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 15:46:14 -0500

I have absolutely no desire to view the video. I know Daesh is evil and I don't need to be reminded. I can honor the memory of the good Captain by remembering how he lived and what he fought for as a fellow airman, not by watching his brutal murder at the hands of an uncompromising enemy.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2015 3:46 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 15:46:40 -0500

It's a difficult question because I agree on some level with the comments that the general public doesn't understand the brutality of what is going on. I don't think they see war and violence through the lenses of hollywood, TV and movies. They rest easy believing that a sniper shot puts a neat little hole in someone and, while it is sad that they are dead, it looks like they are peacefully resting. They don't witness the full force of a head exploding or pints of blood bursting out of a body. In this case, they don't understand the full depth of the sight, sound, even the smell of burning flesh.

I think the question then becomes "who would benefit?" What response do expect would come from a civilian populace accustomed to cul-de-sacs, mcdonalds drive-thru, and starbucks? What is the desired response?

I think sometimes we believe "if only they knew how things worked, they would be on our side." I think the horror of war affects everyone differently. Some may see the video of the pilot being burned alive and think "mobilize the entire Army, lets go back" and others would say "keep my people as far away from that as possible." There are even some that would say "this is our fault for interfering in the first place, we will only make things worse."

In the end, I think my preference would be that nobody watches these videos. 1. It's what the enemy wants. 2. I don't want others to experience that kind of trauma if they don't have to. and 3. I don't think they've received the appropriate training, nor have they volunteered for the job that we did where it's included in the job description.

Response by CW3 Jared Hickox made Feb 7 at 2015 6:22 PM

CW3 Jared Hickox — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 18:22:42 -0500

I think most adults and college aged students should see this video. Not because a man is being burned to death, but because most Americans forget (or never knew) how brutal the world can be. If we, as humans, do not stand up to these barbaric act's outside our gates, we are destined to see them within.

Response by CPO Travis Mack made Feb 8 at 2015 4:53 AM

CPO Travis Mack — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 04:53:18 -0500

In truth, it really depends on what purpose it will serve for you. Morbid curiosity? I say no. If you truly want some perspective on the enemy you face, their capabilities, how they view themselves and how they view you as their enemy, then yes. It needs to strike a chord with you. It's one thing to hear, "ISIS released of video of them setting a man on fire." It's something COMPLETELY different, not only to watch the video, but to see the amount of "production" put into the video; to see the way they turned the victim into the main character of what was essentially a short film on his specific combat related role, his walk through the apparent bomb damage, spliced in with amateur news video of dead and wounded among the rubble, and seemingly cathartic coming to terms with 'what he's done', all before executing him by setting the fuel-soaked ground beneath him (and his fuel soaked clothes) on fire. You rarely hear that they also offer a bounty on the heads of other pilots from other nations involved, or the fact that they list names, pictures, ranks and even specific coordinates, and google earth imagery of supposed officer and family housing on where to find other pilots. True, that last part may all be BS propaganda and may not even be accurate, but in either case it's a good inbrief on your enemy's mindset.

Response by SSG Robert Webster made Feb 8 at 2015 1:28 PM

SSG Robert Webster — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 13:28:51 -0500

Too many Americans, both soldiers and civilians live too deeply in a false reality where everything has a reset button whether it works or not. Saying that we should not view or see the video; when we allow ourselves and our children to see something very similar in a video game, is a bit oxymoronic, don't you think?

Response by SFC A.M. Drake made Feb 8 at 2015 6:53 PM

SFC A.M. Drake — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:53:35 -0500

I watched it and I will tell you this: there is a special place in Hell for those that kill the innocent. I watched it and to see the depravity of a human being toward one another is depressing!

Response by COL Charles Williams made Feb 8 at 2015 11:29 PM

COL Charles Williams — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 23:29:50 -0500

No, that is what they want. We get it. No need to watch. They are twisted and need to be destroyed, not by us alone, but by the peace loving muslims in the region.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2015 12:34 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 00:34:33 -0500

I respect each and every person's reason for watching or choosing to not watch the video and would NOT challenge either for being right or wrong. It's a personal issue!

With that being said, I watched the 22 minute video in our EOC where I work. For me, the more I watched the madder I got. When it was over I was boiling in anger. I watched intently the uniformed ISIS Terrorist standing around and watching what was happen and their reactions as the pilot burned in that cage. I wished somehow I or anyone could and would have put him out of his msiery; My other main thoughts were wishing that somehow I could one of the ones who could send every damn one of them to hell and watch them burn and rot in hell!

Islam media that favors ISIS will use the video as a recruiting tool. This is only one more example of them many atrosities ISIS has comitted. I personally believe the World could use the same video to wage anger and rage against ISIS and bring together a coalition of forces that could and should eliminate them from the face of the earth. This is something that is not going to just go away by Leaders of Nations just standing in front of the microphone talking about it; making irrational comparisons to former events in history and making claims claims like ISIS is a JV team and ISIS is not true Islam. If you watch this video, you will see this is no damn JV Team). It does not matter whether it is or not this is true Islam; the threat (however you want to describe it iis real and damn time to defeat it. We will never be able to completely wipe it out; however, collectively ISIS can be made to be irrevelent, just as was done with Nazism. Each and every time it rises, it must be killed.

Like WWII, this battle is mostly far off from home for the most part and has not reached our shores as it has the Middle East and spreading through other parts of N. Africa and Europe. Hopefully we will not wait for another Pearl Harbor to occur before our leadership gets off it's ass and decides to do something. The longer we sit on the side lines the sooner it will arrive and the more carnage it will bring. Hopefully it will not take another World Trade Center massacre to wake us up.

Would showing the video for all to see make a difference, I honestly do not know. I know what it did for me.

I understand the solution is not as simple as I have put it here and for those who may disagree, that is fine. Just an old simple Soldier's viewpoint to a complicated world issue.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2015 6:01 PM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 18:01:53 -0500

I pose a question to your question, will watching it change anything? Watching a mans last moments? I don't think watching it will change how I feel about ISIS.

Response by SSG Kyle Shelton made Feb 9 at 2015 6:21 PM

SSG Kyle Shelton — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 18:21:30 -0500

I read what the video entailed so I found no need to watch it. I've smelt THAT smell and don't need to start again. Rest his soul.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2015 12:05 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 12:05:24 -0500

I have no interest in watching any of the videos from Isis. I do not need to watch the video to understand what is going on.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 18 at 2015 6:17 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:17:51 -0500

As sickening as the content might be, if it wakes up one unenlightened civilian to the dangers that radical islamic fundamentalist are, then it is serving the purpose for our side. The only danger is that it is inspiring lone wolf terrorists that violence will be rewarded with their 15 minutes of fame.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 19 at 2015 2:21 PM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:21:49 -0500

To judge whether I believe its real or not, I watched it. The studio like productions mean it could easily be faked. Don't believe everything you see on the internet.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 18 at 2015 6:49 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 18 Apr 2015 18:49:10 -0400

I watched the video because I believe in the Geneva Convention, the Law of War, tolerance and the Golden Rule. I need to remember that the current enemies of the United States do not obey or recognize those rules. I recall how in Iraq my 11Bs took away my medical aid bag an geared me up as an 11 series soldier precisely because the Islamic radicals were targeting and sniping for medical personnel first in order to inflict the maximum damage upon the unit; an act in total violation of the Rules of Law of which they refused to recognize. I will continue to take the higher ground understanding that under no circumstances should we expect that same tolerance and respect and should prepare myself accordingly. Awareness of reality is not buying into their propaganda but recognizing the terrain we are operating in.