Should we help the Ukraine by offering them warships from the National Defense Reserve Fleet?

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 27 Nov 2018 01:15:34 -0500

Over the weekend, the Russians seized by Force three Ukrainian vessels including
2 warships. I propose that President Donald Trump help activate at least three warships and train the Ukrainian crew members to use those ships to defend against Russian aggression.

President Obama offered the Ukrainians laughable MREs and blankets. Recently, President Trump has given tow missiles and other lethal gear. both United States and Canada have at least a company sized element or large or training Ukrainians far away from the war zone. We should not allow Ukraine to become something like Czechoslovakia slowly gobbled up in 1938 by Germany because the West did nothing.

The fear of global warming/climate change to prepare you for the ultimate carbon taxes that Al Gore and the Kyoto Accords desire, the Russia investigation with Robert Mueller , and the efforts to win the hearts and minds of Americans with Hondurans and others trying barge into the USA through Tijuana should be noted. Even if President Trump doesn't think this is important, it actually is. What do you think RP? We should be focusing on what's going on in the Ukraine. People forget that the US government has imposed sanctions on Russia. Giving these ships to the Ukrainians after proper training will send a good message to Vladimir Putin. He thinks that this stunt will help his sagging ratings but I think 3 warships, even older ones, will make them think twice if we are there to back up the Ukrainian government.

Here's an example of a Perry class frigate that we could reactivate and give to the Ukrainians. I know this would cost a couple billion dollars but I would rather put two billion dollars into these destroyers than waste 2 billion dollars on stupid climate change that won't make a damn bit of difference since we are in between ice ages anyway but the Kyoto Accord doesn't factor in the element that humans are not responsible for global warming or climate change since climategate.

Response by SFC Ralph E Kelley made Nov 27 at 2018 1:26 AM

SFC Ralph E Kelley — Tue, 27 Nov 2018 01:26:54 -0500

Good Post

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 27 at 2018 1:31 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 27 Nov 2018 01:31:15 -0500

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46340283

Martial law vote after Ukraine-Russia clash

It comes after Russia opened fire on and seized three Ukrainian ships, prompting protests from Kiev.

Response by SrA John Monette made Nov 27 at 2018 3:49 PM

SrA John Monette — Tue, 27 Nov 2018 15:49:23 -0500

LTC Private RallyPoint Member I think that reactivating some mothballed warships would certainly give the world, and specifically Russia, that the United States backs a free Ukraine. but it that a statement that trump wants to make? would he gamble alienating putin like that? after all, he hasn't really shown me that he cares about the US above putin or the Saudis. I agree we need to defend those countries that are being bullied by other world powers. I agree that global warming is cyclical and we are simply between ice ages. I also believe that humans are at least partially responsible for the increase in global temperatures. but do we want to sacrifice the earth of future generations for something that may or may not happen?
another concern is how would we get the ships into the Black Sea? Would we transit through Turkey? I'm not familiar with the region at all.

Response by CAPT Kevin B. made Nov 27 at 2018 9:35 PM

CAPT Kevin B. — Tue, 27 Nov 2018 21:35:39 -0500

The time to activate, the time to train, the time to put support stuff in, and the money that would do it essentially puts this type of stuff 3-5 years out. The Russians would see it coming and do various things not to make it worth while, like just take the rest of the Ukraine to protect them from the western aggressors. Always consequences to actually doing stuff.

Response by CW2 Jalistair B made Nov 28 at 2018 9:53 PM

CW2 Jalistair B — Wed, 28 Nov 2018 21:53:25 -0500

Well, I don't know a thing about ships other than they float on water. However, I do know that the Russian bear will keep taking whatever easy pickings there are. If we do not support Ukraine there will come a time when the nation is either part of the USSR again, or a satellite nation of the USSR. Yes, I said USSR because that is what Uncle Vlad is trying to recreate. Step up now or pay Bigly (my best Trumpism!) later.