Should we have a gun buy back program?

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 13:04:03 -0500

In keeping with the discussion on RP about the U.S. weapons buy back program they want to implement, I looked at other countries and their buy back programs, and how, if any, changes were implemented to own a weapon. I have to admit their buy back programs did stop gun violence. But, I don't want our country to ignore our 2ND Amendment rights, or worse do away with it.

http://www.newsweek.com/gun-control-what-we-can-learn-other-advanced-countries-379105

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2016 1:07 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 13:07:05 -0500

I might be interested in buying back any firearms you have to sell

Response by Capt Mark Strobl made Mar 8 at 2016 1:12 PM

Capt Mark Strobl — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 13:12:10 -0500

SGT Private RallyPoint Member - I think the data on success/failure of buy-back programs is overwhelmingly inconclusive. To this, I do have a couple of pieces that I haven't used in years. Maybe sell a few of 'em ...and get something I really want!

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Mar 8 at 2016 1:26 PM

CPT Jack Durish — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 13:26:09 -0500

If anyone is interested in selling a weapon, I bet they can find a lot of buyers (maybe here on RP) who would be happy to purchase them, most likely willing to pay more than any govt buy back program.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Mar 8 at 2016 1:26 PM

MCPO Roger Collins — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 13:26:15 -0500

I don't give a hoot what other so-called advanced countries claim to have accomplished, here is an article that describes the effectiveness of gun buy back programs.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/12/gun-buybacks-popular-but-ineffective/1829165/

Researchers who have evaluated gun control strategies say buybacks – despite their popularity – are among the least effective ways to reduce gun violence.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2016 1:33 PM

CW4 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 13:33:08 -0500

This is a good post if you are purposely looking to boost your RP points by pissing off 90% of those on the site in hopes of getting a lot of replies.

Response by LTC Thomas Tennant made Mar 8 at 2016 1:35 PM

LTC Thomas Tennant — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 13:35:48 -0500

Oh Hell NO!!!!! It didn't work in Britain and Australia where the crime rates in both countries went through the roof. No now is the time to put an end to all this liberal gun control BS.

Response by Col Joseph Lenertz made Mar 8 at 2016 1:37 PM

Col Joseph Lenertz — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 13:37:22 -0500

Sure, just give me a 6 month warning, so I can buy as many broken and crappy guns as possible to sell back for a profit. You know the criminals will.

Response by SSG James Hunt made Mar 8 at 2016 1:47 PM

SSG James Hunt — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 13:47:00 -0500

No.

Response by SSgt Robert Marx made Mar 8 at 2016 1:51 PM

SSgt Robert Marx — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 13:51:03 -0500

NO!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2016 1:54 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 13:54:07 -0500

To all RP members: This post was not advocating a buy back weapons program. I wanted to see which countries did a buy back, and what gun laws were written to buy another weapon. Their rules suck. I'm just happy we are protected from that crap. I hope y'all understand. I will not give up my weapons to anyone on purpose. if they get stolen, I have all of the serial numbers for them and I would check all of the pawn shops round here. Simply as that.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2016 2:00 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 14:00:45 -0500

Buybacks are rarely cost-effective. They invariably end up receiving non-serviceable weapons that are of little value for the price. OTOH, I've heard of buybacks where dealers showed up and intercepted people going in to sell their weapons, and ended up offering market prices for them, which were higher than the buyback prices. So, if the goal is to get illegal guns off the streets, buybacks don't work.

Response by LCpl Greg Jumes made Mar 8 at 2016 2:01 PM

LCpl Greg Jumes — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 14:01:59 -0500

Absolutely not

Response by CPL J Sannizzaro made Mar 8 at 2016 2:04 PM

CPL J Sannizzaro — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 14:04:08 -0500

Please cite any reference where a buy back program STOPED gun violence.

Response by SMSgt Thor Merich made Mar 8 at 2016 2:16 PM

SMSgt Thor Merich — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 14:16:51 -0500

The problem with buy back programs in the US, is that crooks don't participate. So you wind up with less law abiding citizens with guns and the same amount of crooks with guns. It causes a dangerous imbalance.

Response by Sgt Kelli Mays made Mar 8 at 2016 2:22 PM

Sgt Kelli Mays — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 14:22:19 -0500

Yes. Absolutely!

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Mar 8 at 2016 3:05 PM

SSG Warren Swan — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 15:05:23 -0500

If you really want to do a weapon buyback go on FB and look in certain groups (if they allow you in. Some of the groups are not allowing new members). I've seen some nice deals on there, and most are very informed on the laws and will have the buyer meet the same requirements with them they would at the store.
The UK took damn near all types of weapons off the streets, so you would think that it's a done deal in regards to weapons right? HELLS NAW. It did the SAME thing that it would here in the US. Take anything and ban it, it'll move underground and there is a thriving market here, so imagine how big it actually is in countries that conveniently ban them. When I lived in England, I was more worried about knife attacks being they were much more common since you can't ban a knife. This is a civilized country you know? Go to East London, it was like being here in the projects, and you can find whatever you want if you have the cash to get it. So banning them wasn't an absolute solution. But it makes the legislators feel they're doing something.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/london-overtaken-gun-crime-capital-5172325

London overtaken as gun crime capital of England and Wales

Office for National Statistics figures show one in nine incidents of gun crime in England and Wales took place in the new firearms capital last year

Response by LTC Roderic Hewlett made Mar 8 at 2016 3:58 PM

LTC Roderic Hewlett — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 15:58:55 -0500

I'd rather use that money for military health care and programs.

Response by SPC Andrew Griffin made Mar 8 at 2016 4:06 PM

SPC Andrew Griffin — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 16:06:32 -0500

The LESS Guns on the Street the BETTER!

Response by CPO Andy Carrillo, MS made Mar 8 at 2016 4:31 PM

CPO Andy Carrillo, MS — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 16:31:31 -0500

SGT Private RallyPoint Member only if you want to sell your weapons for a mere fraction of what you paid or the gun is worth, while knowing criminals will keep theirs tucked away. As trite and cliche as it may sound, this always rings true: the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Maybe we should spend more time and resources creating good guys?

Response by MSG Mitch Dowler made Mar 8 at 2016 5:23 PM

MSG Mitch Dowler — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 17:23:51 -0500

Yes, I once had a pre ban mini-14 with the factory folding stock that I sold in a time of need and I would like the opportunity to buy it back. Also had a CZ75 I picked up in Germany that I would lik to buy back.

Response by SSG Gerhard S. made Mar 8 at 2016 5:49 PM

SSG Gerhard S. — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 17:49:38 -0500

Often, when these "buy backs" are tried, there are people approaching the lines, offering people more than the government is willing to pay for good, functional firearms. Such programs worked out well for those buyers, and those sellers.

Response by PO3 Michael James made Mar 8 at 2016 6:19 PM

PO3 Michael James — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 18:19:23 -0500

2013 FBI Report: more people ( in US ) killed with hammers and clubs than rifles !!! Maybe we should have a buy-back program for hammers !! Clubs !! ... Next, add Automobiles !!

Response by 1stSgt Eugene Harless made Mar 8 at 2016 7:47 PM

1stSgt Eugene Harless — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 19:47:25 -0500

Ha not to long ago the LAPD had a press conference after they had a huge score of getting a "Rocket Launcher" during a buy back. Someone sold them two expended AT-4 tubes. What a circus,

Response by SPC Darren Koele made Mar 8 at 2016 10:32 PM

SPC Darren Koele — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 22:32:19 -0500

NO, NO AND HELL NO!

First, I need to take issue... no, scratch that... ask why you chose this particular article to post? Assuming you had a reason. That is one of the post agenda-driven, biased, unintellectual writings I've seen on the subject. Then again, it is Newsweek so that is to be expected. They haven't written an objective piece in decades. The studies, and the interpreted findings, are flawed to the point of being pure fiction. The bunk about an "NRA member" saying "how violent blacks are" is nothing short of an attempt to portray the organization as racist and nothing more. I could point-by-point on the flaws in the article, but I'll refrain as I could write a book based on that alone. Though I will touch on some highlights concerning comparison to other nations. First and foremost, most of those nations to whom we are compared are mostly homogenous with a single culture whereas the US is vastly diverse with a blend, or more accurately, a clash of many cultures as any mention of assimilation is regarded as bigoted. Secondly, our population is much higher with more densely populated urban areas; this is important because it is where a large portion of our gun violence takes place. Basically, to say we have murders or gun murders isn't a proper comparison, but the murder rates (per/1000 or per/1 million, etc) is a better comparison. Sure, we have a higher homicide rate using guns. Why is that? Well, when the Depth of Justice states that upwards of 80% of violent crime is attributed to gangs, you'd think that is something to key on. But nope, that would probably be regarded as racist since the highest gang population is Hispanic and the second highest is Blacks. Instead, they want to focus on guns. But their is something they didn't mention in the article; the fact that the violent crime rate in England and Australia is higher than the US. If you bring that up, I'm sure the response would be "it's too bad you were raped, beaten, and robbed and will carry that trauma for the rest of your life; but at least you're alive." Yeah, that's speculation, but I've heard similar arguments from politicians and the anti-gun crowd.

The point of this rant is that gun buy backs or any other like program is a waste of time and money. We don't need a ban to create a black market as one already exists. Take my weapons today and I'll be better armed in 24 hours. The difference is, right now I try to stay within the confines of the law whereas my alternative isn't exactly a legal procurement and there is risk (beyond law enforcement) involved.

We have the Constitution. We have the 2nd amendment. We believe in liberty for the individual and as a whole. A personally owned firearm serves as both an example of our liberty and a defense of it. This America, a sovereign nation with out own laws and our own way of life. To make us more like other countries, in my opinion, is nothing short of surrendering your sovereignty and even your identity to world. Then again, this is where our leaders are taking us. From Obama-don't-care to gun control, all we here is "country x does it this way". Quite frankly, I don't give a damn about country x or anyone else. If thought they were so great, if I thought I like their system, I'd move there.

Sorry for the long rant. That article got me a little on hellish side of burned up.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Mar 9 at 2016 6:36 AM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 06:36:01 -0500

I don't think our economy can support buying back all those guns... Our country is saturated in firearms, it'd be like trying to buy all the pebbles on a beach, except at exorbitant prices..

Response by SPC Jeremy Cobb made Mar 22 at 2016 11:40 AM

SPC Jeremy Cobb — Tue, 22 Mar 2016 11:40:14 -0400

Their buy back programs didn't stop gun violence. It may have dropped, but you still have instances were people use firearms and explosives to commit acts of terrorism/crime. The biggest difference is that here in the states civilians have a chance to defend themselves with proper licensing.

Also we have a significantly higher population, so while violent crimes may occur more often in the United States, it's not as bad as it looks.