Should there be a Cold War Ribbon?

2013-12-15T16:31:25-05:00

Ok, I know there are a number of discussions about the proliferation of awards but I have a slightly different question.

What is your opinion on the "Cold War Medal"?

Those of us that served between wars from 1945 through 1991 did not receive any recognition for keeping the Nuclear Peace. Over the years, bills have been introduced in five separate Congress' for the authorization of a Cold War Victory Medal or Cold War Service Medal. To date bills have successfully passed both houses but get stripped out in committee. All medal bills have been vehemently opposed by the U.S. Department of Defense. On February 17, 2011, Senator Olympia Snowe (ME) and on May 24, 2011, Representative Steve Israel (NY-2) reintroduced legislation in the Senate and House, respectively, that the Secretary of Defense concerned may issue a service medal, to be known as the `Cold War Service Medal', to Cold War veterans who meet the criteria.

If the concern is cost of distribution of the Medal, I, for one, would be willing to obtain my own. I just feel that there needs to be more recognition than the cheesy piece of paper that has been authorized. What say you?

Response by LTC Jason Bartlett made Dec 15 at 2013 4:32 PM

2013-12-15T16:32:40-05:00

I say a medal is well deserved and what does it hurt to show recognition for those that served during that time. 

Response by SSG Laureano Pabon made Dec 15 at 2013 4:38 PM

2013-12-15T16:38:55-05:00

<p>Yes I know what you mean, I still have to frame my Cold war certificate and gather all my awards so my son can have them before my time if up in this world. </p><p>Keep me updated on what is taking place with this.</p>

Response by SFC Stephen Hester made Dec 15 at 2013 5:23 PM

2013-12-15T17:23:45-05:00

I've never been in favor of one. If it does somehow pass through Congress and becomes a reality I probably wouldn't apply for it. I don't even have a Cold War certificate.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2013 10:27 PM

2013-12-15T22:27:58-05:00

I don't agree with one. We have awards that are already in place like the National Defense Medal. If you make another medal for just being in you are taking away from other medals like the ND Medal. If you deployed you received other awards already and then this should apply to you but I am weary of making an award for merely just being there. How would you decide if you warrant it. Does the non deployable guy cutting hair get one over the infantrymen. I think the GWOT-Service was a bet out there. I am glad the stopped just giving them out to everyone in the military in 2004.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2014 10:29 PM

2014-03-05T22:29:57-05:00

Seems odd that they would honor those individuals with an award and not let them wear it. If you earned it you should be allowed to wear it.<div><br></div><div>Just my .02</div>

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2014 11:07 PM

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As far as I can tell from doing some quick research on the medal, it looks like it was never officially made a medal for U.S. Forces.  There was a lot of talk about making an official medal to cover those who served during the Cold War, but there was never any follow-through.<div><br></div><div>It also looks like Louisiana and Texas National Guards did get awarded a Cold War Medal, and Alaska got a ribbon, but it also seems like the National Guard Bureau does not recognize these awards as a official awards.</div><div><br></div><div>Bottom line, is it sounds like the ball got dropped in authorizing an official Cold War Medal.</div>

Response by SSG Jeffrey Spencer made Apr 18 at 2014 11:38 PM

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<span style="color: rgb(55, 64, 78); font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12 [login to see] 91406px; line-height: 18px;">I served during these times. We had enough threats during the time I was in, just after Viet Nam. We were put on alert when N. Korea killed 3 American officers, alerted when Russian subs off the coast of California were found monitoring my unit's work.  Then Libya, Grenada, Panama. Not to mention the Iron Curtain and threat of MAD.</span><br style="color: rgb(55, 64, 78); font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12 [login to see] 91406px; line-height: 18px;"><br style="color: rgb(55, 64, 78); font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12 [login to see] 91406px; line-height: 18px;"><span style="color: rgb(55, 64, 78); font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12 [login to see] 91406px; line-height: 18px;">I helped develop the equipment and weapons that carried us through today's conflicts. Not even authorized for the NDSM.</span><br style="color: rgb(55, 64, 78); font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12 [login to see] 91406px; line-height: 18px;">

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 19 at 2014 12:06 AM

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Definitely yes.  Particularly in light of those times.   We got through the era but the threat of disaster loomed very large.

Response by SSG Laureano Pabon made Apr 19 at 2014 12:19 AM

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I also am not authorize the NDSM, This is the first time I heard of the Cold War Victory Medal, however I did get a certificate.

Response by SPC Charles Brown made Apr 19 at 2014 12:31 AM

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My first tour of duty was from 1979 through 1988 in all three components of the Army. Not to my surprise I knew absolutely nothing about any considerations of medals for those of us who served from 1945 through 1991. I too would be willing to purchase my own medal to help the government save a few pennies in sending it to me through the mail. If I were to receive one I would display it with the other three medals that I have been awarded as a result of my military service. However, I seriously doubt that any such medal will be issued for anyone in that era, let alone approved. Dare to dream fellow cold war vets, dare to dream.

Response by 1SG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 19 at 2014 2:32 PM

2014-04-19T14:32:14-04:00

We need more flair like we need another hole in our collective heads. The uniform or just saying "I'm a vet" should be sufficient.

Response by SPC Robert Leathers made Apr 19 at 2014 5:13 PM

2014-04-19T17:13:59-04:00

I don't need a medal, a certificate or recognition, however it would be nice to at least have my time in service thought of in a positive way. I recall being spit at, harassed in airports and eventually told not to wear uniforms off post to prevent civilian confrontations. My son who now serves finds it hard to understand why I don't talk about my time in service, perhaps something positive would help others I served with to feel it was appreciated. One of the most powerful speeches in my lifetime "Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall" It came down shortly after I left Germany and while we did not have "battles" going on I feel we helped unite Germany and see families reunited. <br><br><br><br>

Response by CMDCM Gene Treants made Apr 21 at 2014 2:36 PM

2014-04-21T14:36:20-04:00

Talk about torn emotions.  I really did not realize the some vets of the Cold War were NOT authorized the NSDM. Since I was on Active Duty from 1966 to 1996 I received TWO NSDM and really do not need a new medal, BUT if there are military members out there who were not recognized for their service, then YES we do need a MEDAL, not just a certificate (which I have) that covers the Cold War.  <div><br></div><div>So,  in light of the above I have to say YES. We really do need a Cold War (or Warrior) Medal. This is needed to make sure those who did NOT receive a NSDM get the recognition they so fully deserve!</div>

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Apr 24 at 2014 12:25 PM

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They didn't come out with a medal you couldn't wear. They created a certificate.  Awards manufacturers like Medals of America and the like created commemorative medals that you can wear, but that's all they are, unofficial, commemorative medals.

Response by SGT Ben Keen made Apr 24 at 2014 1:04 PM

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At first I can see why someone that served during the time of the "Cold War" should have a medal on their stack somewhere but then with further thinking the thought of those that served after those dates but before the Gulf War and those that served after the Golf War and the War on Terriorism. Aren't we also preparing for a war that may or may not happen? Does the National Defense Service Medal cover this? What about the next set of service members to join if/when the GWOT is over?

While I salute those of you that served during the Cold War and the fact that you served during probably the most unsteadiest time in US Military history; I'm just not sure a medal would be appropriate.

Response by SSG Todd Halverson made Apr 24 at 2014 3:34 PM

2014-04-24T15:34:17-04:00

I have served during both the "Cold War" era and the current GWOT. Yes during the "cold War" era we were always on alert, had practice deployment preps and training. But that is all it was.... training. There was a time when Gaddafi came out with a hit list of places he would strike. I was at a location that was near or at the top of the list. We were on alert, but nothing ever happened. Don't really think a ribbon should be given out for that time period. Once you start doing that, there were be many more ribbons that will have to be authorized for periods following the GWOT.
Having served in both times, I would have to say the "GWOT" time has been more stressful and dangerous than serving during the peacetime of the "Cold War". It was not a war, just a name given to a period of time.

Response by PFC Earl Herman made Apr 25 at 2014 10:48 AM

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Interesting. I served in the 80's and never gave awards much thought. I wore what I was authorized to wear. Awhile back I had heard that former SM's should contact the VA to make sure that their information was up to date and have corrections made if necessary. This included any and all Awards. Keep us posted on the progress of this. We need to keep all of our SM's in the spotlight (as it were) for all that they have given.

Response by MSgt Billy McDonough made Apr 25 at 2014 10:53 AM

2014-04-25T10:53:14-04:00

This is in the same vein as giving a T-Ball team that finished in 6th place a trophy for being there...its silly. If you served during that time (as I did) you received plenty of recognition for your service. Another piece of flair is pointless.

Response by CPO Jon Campbell made Apr 25 at 2014 11:45 AM

2014-04-25T11:45:32-04:00

Maybe a nuclear bomb shaped device for the National Defense medal would be a good compromise or a metal clasp like the type used in WWII and earlier. Devices are usually not issued, so the cost factor would be negligible. Devices are also discrete for politicians worried about offending China and Russia.

Response by LCpl Brian Julien made Apr 25 at 2014 1:25 PM

2014-04-25T13:25:33-04:00

Yes there should be a Service Medal.

Response by Sgt Randy Hill made Jun 16 at 2014 3:04 PM

2014-06-16T15:04:35-04:00

without a doubt cold war veterans deserve something.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 31 at 2014 5:06 AM

2014-07-31T05:06:51-04:00

Pardon my ignorance. What is it? I am a Cold War vet and have never been informed.

Response by SPC Richard White made Jul 31 at 2014 5:07 AM

2014-07-31T05:07:05-04:00

I say yes,because they are those who served and were killed during this time period which deserve recognition.If it wasn't for those who served during this time period USA may not be what it is today.

Response by MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca made Jul 31 at 2014 5:19 AM

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You can apply for a certificate here:

https://www.hrc.army.mil/TAGD/Awards%20and%20Decorations%20Branch%20-%20Cold%20War%20Certificate%20Program

I did a while back and received mine.

Response by MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca made Jul 31 at 2014 5:50 AM

2014-07-31T05:50:49-04:00

I think so but apparently DoD doesn't

http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=43801

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Official website for U.S. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 31 at 2014 6:27 PM

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I do not think that the cold war victory medal should be authorized. War was not declared. There was not even a police action or engagement that would not have been covered under some other award. I think the certificate is fine. If you need something to feel good about having been a service member during that time, put another star on the fire-watch (national defense) ribbon.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 1 at 2014 12:40 AM

2014-08-01T00:40:56-04:00

Perhaps a ribbon/medal that is treated the way the GWOT expeditionary medal is today?

Those that deploy (paraphrasing here) in support of the GWOT are authorized the expeditionary medal, however those that serve specifically in the Iraq or Afghanistan campaigns are authorized to wear those decorations in place of the expeditionary medal, if I understand the instruction correctly.

A Cold War service award, replaced by Vietnam/Korea service awards (which are already issued) under similar guidelines would be more than appropriate. I have many older friends and relatives that spent lots of time away when they were scheduled to be in port because they had to go observe some Russian ship or sub.

Given the relatively low numbers of personnel still in the service however that served during the Cold War, I do not think that cost would be one of the top concerns in implementation, but this is only an opinion.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 1 at 2014 12:04 PM

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This is the site where you can request the certificate: https://www.hrc.army.mil/TAGD/Awards%20and%20Decorations%20Branch%20-%20Cold%20War%20Certificate%20Program

Its run by the US Army but any DoD employee/service member from any branch can apply for the certificate. To this date no medal has been authorized that I know of.

"The Department of Defense will not be creating a Cold War Service medal, and commemorative medals being sold by private vendors are not authorized for wear on military uniforms. Former Secretary of Defense William Cohen approved a Cold War Recognition Certificate in 1999, and the Army, as executive agent, has been responsible for issuing them to any eligible applicant.
The certificate recognizes all service members and federal employees who faithfully served in the U.S. military during the Cold War era. For certificate purposes, that era is the end of World War II, Sept. 2, 1945, to the collapse of the Soviet Union, Dec. 26, 1991."

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 7 at 2014 12:44 PM

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The Cold War Victory Medal is both an official medal of the National Guard and an unofficial military medal of the United States. It is awarded by the States of Louisiana and Texas, and in ribbon form only by the State of Alaska. In the medal's unofficial capacity it can be purchased, but not worn in uniform. It may be worn by any member of the United States military, or civilian employees of the federal government, who served in their positions honorably during the years of the Cold War, specifically September 2, 1945 to December 26, 1991.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 15 at 2014 5:40 PM

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Military service deaths per selected year: 1980: 2,392; 1990: 1,507; 2000: 841; 2010: 1,483.

Military service deaths per 100,000 personnel per selected year: 1980: 111; 1990: 67; 2000: 50; 2010: 88.

Bottom line a price was paid during the Cold War that has not been recognized. For example in 1980 we lost 2,392 personnel during that year protecting our freedom. During the worst year of the GWOT (2007) we lost 1,953 for comparison. Most of the deaths during the Cold War are classified as line of duty accidents.

The average loss during the 80's was 2,000 service deaths per year (in other words 1980 was a typical year).

It is hard not to argue that preparing for war during the "Cold War" environment was as dangerous, in terms of the price paid in lives, as actually being in a war as demonstrated by the statistics above. In other words does it really matter if the death was due to hostile action or just doing your job in a very tense environment where folks got killed all the time (like the DMZ, Fulda, NTC, JRTC, JOTC, etc.). These facts are almost always overlooked when this discussion takes place.

This information can be found on DOD's website.

Response by LTC Paul Heinlein made Aug 15 at 2014 6:35 PM

2014-08-15T18:35:21-04:00

Absolutely! To recognize those that served during that time.

Response by SSG Jeffrey Spencer made Sep 4 at 2014 10:43 PM

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http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/authorize-and-create.fb48?source=s.fb&r_by=11248366

Sign the petition: Authorize and create a Cold War Service Medal

I just signed a petition to The United States House of Representatives, The United States Senate, and President Barack Obama: Millions of veterans served during the Cold War and never received recognition or any type of award. Tell Congress to pass S.402, and H.R. 1968 The Cold War Service Medal Act of 2011. Tell President Obama to remember his pledge to honor Cold War Veterans, use an Executive Order to create this medal.

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Sep 12 at 2014 1:57 AM

2014-09-12T01:57:41-04:00

I sent in for it but never received it. I totally forgot about it until now. Anyone have the info for me? BTW, I think they should. A generation of veterans who served during that Cold War Period deserve recognition.

Response by SSG Robin Rushlo made Dec 3 at 2014 1:22 PM

2014-12-03T13:22:04-05:00

Yes and i WOULD PAY FOR MY OWN since money has been part of the concern

Response by SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL made Dec 3 at 2014 9:32 PM

2014-12-03T21:32:08-05:00

Would be nice, I received a Cold war certificate. Would be nice.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 3 at 2014 9:39 PM

2014-12-03T21:39:38-05:00

We have too many medals as it is. I'm eligible, but I really don't want one. I drank a lot of beer in Germany. That doesn't deserve a medal. Some say the wars fighting communist since world war 2 have been battles in the cold war. Those already have medals recognizing those that served.

Response by SSG William Patton made Dec 4 at 2014 12:06 PM

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I work with a team on another site that builds profiles of all soldiers who have served, whether they belong to the site or not. One factor I have noticed is the number of medals soldiers receive in the last 20 years compared to those who served in conflicts or the service prior to 1994. I have seen soldiers, especially those in the guard or reserves, who have five rows of ribbons on their profile and some have never been deployed. Compare that to those who served in Vietnam, saw combat, and only have three or four ribbons, one being the Purple Heart. All of us who served in Vietnam fought a hot war in the bigger Cold War, yet we have never been authorized any medal for being sentenials serving against communism, as the Cold War medal signifies. Seeing how all the medals authorized since 1991 seem to have exploded, compared to prior to that point in time, how is expense of one medal significant? My take is the medal shows you have served and performed your duty at the highest level and have been acknowledged for you accomplishment. Those of us who served in Korea and Vietnam damn sure earned a Cold War medal and all the other medals we wear on our chest.

Response by LTC Stephen C. made Dec 4 at 2014 2:12 PM

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PO1 Thomas B., I would say no. SSG Todd Halverson and SGT John Phillips adequately addressed the issue and my sentiments in this thread.

Response by SGT Byron Labadie made Dec 4 at 2014 6:34 PM

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Just because I was sent to do a tour of Germany in the 1970's, sat in freezing bunkers for hours on end during NATO and FTX's and watching for MIG's on a green scope does not qualify me for any form of medal. I volunteered to serve. I don't deserve or want any type of medal for serving my country. It was my decision, my desire. No thanks needed, no ribbons, no glory. I like to remain humble, and I am plenty happy and satisfied in knowing I was healthy enough to do time in the military. No more, no less.

Response by GySgt William Hardy made Dec 5 at 2014 11:00 AM

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I read the answers and it is an interesting question. A Cold War Medal.. humm? If serious consideration was given to creating such a medal, specific units would have to be specified. Just because you served during the time of the Cold War should not automatically make you eligible. When we think of the Cold War what units would be included? I think it is like the occupation medals . . . it only applied to someone who was actually in certain places/areas. Personnel who served stateside did not receive the award. I served during this time but I was on the "hot" end in Vietnam. I got my standard medals for serving in that area of operations and do not feel that it qualifies me for the "cold war". On the other hand, between 1975-1978 I served in Germany. Does that automatically make me a Cold War Warrior? I am sure that those units that guarded the borders, especially those in Berlin and the Fulda Gap area do qualify. I served with the Defense Communications Agency - Europe. We supported US communications, but does that automatically mean I should get the medal? I am not so sure. Then you have other areas...What about the Marines and Sailors that served at Gitmo during the Cold War? Especially those that were there during the Missile Crisis. Do military personnel who served on embassy duty get the medal? I am sure that most of the military in Korea rate getting the medal if it were created. What about units in Japan who support units in Korea? What about Okinawa? I disagree, at this time, with those that feel that a medal should be given to Vietnam vets. We already received our medals for that war.

I do feel that a medal for the Cold War should be awarded, but I am not so sure who should qualify. I do not think everyone who served should automatically get it. I do not think that if you have been previously awarded, such as serving in Vietnam alone, you should get it. Personnel who served in Vietnam and, later or even before, served with a recognized unit, you should get it, like people who served during different times the NDSM was issued. Then the question becomes...do you rate a star when you serve in another theater of operations? What if you were like me...I served in the Asian and European areas...do I get two different medals or a star to put on my medal? Some have served in many areas that might qualify. May I point out that after WWII there were different medals for the Occupation of Japan and the Occupation of Europe. Should that format be followed here?

I do believe a medal should be issued. All hell could have broken out at any minute and that service should be recognized. Hell, I would settle for a ribbon or a specially designed Meritorious Unit Citation for that matter.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 3 at 2015 11:31 AM

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While I agree that a Cold War Service medal would be something positive - I have to say that getting that medal passed through Congress is a huge use of "capital" for even less results. In some circles the National Defense medal serves the same function. Additionally, past and current regulations do not give DOD an option - DOD must fund any medal issued. With the current down trend on funding for DOD I think this particular issue may have to wait for another timeframe or era to achieve.

Response by SFC Kenneth Hunnell made Jan 3 at 2015 12:38 PM

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Do we really need another ribbon to keep straight on our uniform.

Do we need something tangible saying I was there

My opinion is this, I served during the period in question. I do not need something to remind me when, where I served. I know where I was. My DD214 tells it The people I served with and my family knows that served. That is enough. If Joe public cannot appreciate what the members of all the services did, that is on them

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 4 at 2015 4:21 AM

2015-01-04T04:21:17-05:00

This would of made a great survey question: I for one have seen some ridiculous medals, but I do think a Cold War Period Medal is more than appropriate.

Response by Cpl Jeff N. made Feb 1 at 2015 9:45 AM

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I served from1981 to 1985 which would fall into the "cold war" years. By definition a cold war is not a hot war (where bullets are flying). After we depart Afghanistan are we going to need to create a service medal for this period of time? Perhaps the "post GWOT before next conflict" medal?

There were smaller conflicts during the cold war years, Grenada, Beirut etc. but I believe those have specific awards. There is no doubt that the number of service members that died each year were as high then as they were during actual conflict years (from 2001 +).

The military awards too many medals today, period. Look at a WWII Marine that made the three required landings+ in the Pacific (as an example). They might have left service with 4-6 medals depending on being wounded or receiving personal valor awards etc.

For example, Robert Leckie (who was portrayed in The Pacific) participated in 5 campaigns and ended up with two rows of ribbons. Today he would have 7-8 rows after the combat he experienced. That is no swipe and anyone's service just the awards system. Sometime, less is more. Leckie's awards are listed below.

Purple Heart Navy
Marine Corps Commendation Ribbon w/ Combat V
Presidential Unit Citation / 1 star
American Campaign Medal
Asiatic-Pacific Campaign Medal with w/ 5 campaign stars
World War II Victory Medal

We should pass on the Cold War Medal.

Response by LCDR Rabbah Rona Matlow made Feb 1 at 2015 1:30 PM

2015-02-01T13:30:56-05:00

I thought I had already responded to this question, but I guess not. Yes, I support the Cold War "Victory" Medal. It actually already exists, in the form that the Alaska, Texas and Louisiana National Guards have it - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War_Victory_Medal.

Since it is already in use, thus already designed and coined, it would cost the government essentially nothing to authorize it for people who served during the "Victory" period.

Note that a "Victory" medal has a different meaning than a "Service" medal. Service means you served at any time during the conflict. Victory means you served during the time of the Victory, which is a much more limited scope. However, as defined for this medal, it really is a Service Medal, since it covers the entire time from the end of WWII to the beginning of Desert Storm...

Cold War Victory Medal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Cold War Victory Medal is both an official medal of the National Guard and an unofficial military medal of the United States. It is awarded by the States of Louisiana and Texas, and in ribbon form only by the State of Alaska.[citation needed] In the medal's unofficial capacity it can be purchased, but not worn in uniform. It may be worn by any member of the United States military, or civilian employees of the federal government, who served...

Response by CW2 Geoff Lachance made Feb 11 at 2015 5:32 PM

2015-02-11T17:32:03-05:00

Of course! We were constantly on alert and training for the event that we might find ourselves in a conflict with USSR.

Response by MSgt Jim Pollock made Feb 12 at 2015 1:30 AM

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I've given this some deep thought, although I didn't fact-check the basis for this opinion... Please correct me if I'm factually incorrect here.

Folks that deployed for Desert Shield (but not Storm) are eligible for the SWADM despite participating in a campaign where no shot was fired and whose purpose was to face down a potential adversary and deter aggression. Further, the coinciding NDSM eligibility period begins with the start of Desert Shield (not Storm).

Ultimately, the Desert Shield mission failed because Desert Storm became necessary (arguably)--the Cold War mission succeeded when our potential adversary (USSR) dissolved without a shot (at least the non-covert kind).

I'll argue that the Cold War mission was functionally equivilant to Desert Shield; it just lasted longer and involved more personnel.

If we accept that premise, then Cold War vets that deployed to front line defense units should be awarded a campaign medal, and all servicemembers active during that era should be entitled to the NDSM.

Desert Shield is handled in that manner, so the Cold War should be as well. Fair is fair.

Note: I realize there few Desert Shield vets that are not also Desert Storm vets. I do know, however, that vets of both campaigns were awarded TWO SWADMs--so the two campaigns were treated as separate, award-worthy events. vr/ Jim

Response by SFC Dan Sorrow, M.S. made Feb 12 at 2015 8:32 PM

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I served from 1979-2000 in the active component of the Army. While in West Germany from 81-83, I was in an armor unit under the 8th ID in Baumhomder that was always on alert to Fulda Gap. Never knew until they called the alert off whether it was real or not. While there was obviously no combat duty involved, President Reagan credited our period of service with the strength that brought down the Berlin Wall. That's one hell of an accomplishment.
Is it worth a medal, obviously not.

I served with a Gulf War Veteran who never left the docks in Saudi. I was on Drill SGT duty then. When he got back, he told us all he did was weld additional armor plating onto track and wheel vehicles. But his chest looked like he was a front line troop. Do I have a grudge? Nope! He was there and that's all it required.

The Cold War Era ended because we were there and that's all it required. Is that medal worthy? No more than any other campaign victory medal. I'm proud that our readiness resulted in peace. That was our real purpose, to sustain peace through readiness. We were there and we were ready. That's all it took!

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 12 at 2015 8:50 PM

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I say yes because I remember Ramstein AB in the 80s. It was a loaded gun waiting to go off and nearly did. We had ORIs for readiness for dirty wars including chemical training and even had T-39 pilots being buzzed by MIGs.

Response by PO3 Timothy Souder made Feb 13 at 2015 5:00 PM

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I can see both sides of this, on one hand, we experienced peace through strength, that strength was a superior military comprised of all volunteers and should be recognized. On the other hand medals are reserved for service that goes beyond normal conditions. There were many campaign medals during the Cold War era that were rightfully recognized and there a some that I believe that were overlooked such as Operation Earnest Will. I am not all that comfortable with the little league mentality that everyone wins a ribbon/trophy, that devalues extraordinary achievement and sacrifice.

Response by PFC Jose Rocha made Feb 16 at 2015 9:04 PM

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I also agree with you that there should be more recognition to cold war vets. When I was in the Army from 77 to 80 I was in a unit where we were so under-staffed that we had to help each section fill in the positions that needed to be filled. Every year we had to go to a site where we kept our bad ass artillery . And we had to stand lock and loaded every shift for a month. It was really cold. And One time before we had to deploy to that area the front gate guards that were there before us got attacked and were killed! That is what we were informed by our superior officers. But as far as it goes I checked out the causalities of the cold war and none were reported. I guess it was because it was a highly sensitive area. So we did preformed our duties as we had to and at any minute that we should have been confronted we would counter attack. And as far as the intruders they also got killed by the front gate. So I guess with all the dedication that we applied all of us cold war vets. We do deserve a medal for the cold war.

Response by GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad made Feb 27 at 2015 2:41 PM

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Response by SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. made Apr 5 at 2015 10:31 AM

2015-04-05T10:31:39-04:00

The Cold War was a campaign and deserves recognition.

Response by GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad made Apr 5 at 2015 10:48 AM

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Response by CPT Aaron Kletzing made Apr 5 at 2015 10:55 AM

2015-04-05T10:55:49-04:00

I think this is reasonable. I could support this.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2015 11:01 AM

2015-04-05T11:01:34-04:00

Initially I thought that a medal to recognize our service was warranted, however with the proliferation of medals for every conceivable thing, I for one do not need to be recognized by a bit of ribbon to show my pride. My service is something that I take pride in and the fact that the current military leadership does not want to recognize us for our service is just fine with me. When looking at a chest full of ribbons, I look at the top two or three only and if none are for valor or bravery, it just represents a life of service, neither distinguished nor worthy of exceptional praise. I'm sorry but I am weary of all the pundits who claim that we need some sort of symbol to be proud of. Nonsense, I am already proud, which is carried in my heart and not on my chest.

Response by PO2 Mark Saffell made Apr 5 at 2015 11:09 AM

2015-04-05T11:09:07-04:00

I agree. I spent many weeks at sea back when there was no internet or cell phones. We spent months away from home running General Quarters drills, going without contact at home. Standing in the ready for War yet we can't be members if the VFW or America Legion. I joined in 1975 so I don't count as a Viet Nam Vet. Was off active duty in January 1980 so Greneda doesn't count. So I was in during a time some people don't even want to call us veterans however we joined and served with honor and have nothing to show for it.

Response by TSgt David Holman made Apr 5 at 2015 11:47 AM

2015-04-05T11:47:01-04:00

My understanding of the Nuclear Deterrence Medal is that it is for recognition of those who have served at bases that deal with the nuclear mission, not just people who have served during that time.

Response by MAJ Matthew Arnold made Apr 5 at 2015 2:09 PM

2015-04-05T14:09:07-04:00

Yes, Serving for several years at DEFCON C, on a global strategic campaign, while putting yourself in the position of being the first ones to die (Fulda, Missile Silos, B-52s, boomer subs) is worthy of a campaign ribbon/medal. After all, it was a campaign. (Besides I can finish up a row on my rack.)

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2015 8:53 PM

2015-04-05T20:53:39-04:00

yes I think there should be a Cold War service metal because I was in from 1980 to 2010 but never got any recognition for serving during the Cold War so yes I think there should be a metal.

Response by SSG Leonard Johnson made Apr 6 at 2015 12:54 AM

2015-04-06T00:54:25-04:00

Thinking about it.....I think so......we had a bunch of Sh_t happen during that time, Greneda, Panama, Middle East, Berlin, Cuba, England and the Flaklands, Greece after W2, Korea War...you name it bro...I just retired and maxed out on medal awards, so it doesn't matter to me anymore.....I think however if you did the time in the Fulda Gap, Berlin, The DMZ, 4P3,4P1........or anywhere overseas during this time that the ruskies wanted to take.....heck yeah....as long as u served honorably.....got no problem with it brotha

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 6 at 2015 1:09 AM

2015-04-06T01:09:09-04:00

Sorry, couldn't help it...

Response by SPC Angel Guma made Apr 6 at 2015 7:17 PM

2015-04-06T19:17:10-04:00

I was born right at the end of the cold war, I have no memories of the Soviet Union other than when it was collapsing in 1990-1991. But having served with very upstanding soldiers who came of age in the 1980s and 1970s, (who by now became CSMs and Colonels), I will say this: I don't think the stress of staring down the Russians, especially at sea, was casual business. Especially stories I've heard from sailors with run ins with Russian warships, going from placid duty to potential nuclear standoff is not cake duty. I couldn't imagine what it was like to know someone else on the high seas was staring you down with nuclear warheads, one wrong move, and its on your conscience for life. Same goes for surely all the tense stand offs that had to have occurred in Berlin with all those Russian troopers garrisoning the other city of the wall. Yes, there should be some higher recognition for what military service members did to keep the seas and sky safe.

Response by CW4 Simon Buck made Apr 7 at 2015 11:20 AM

2015-04-07T11:20:02-04:00

No.

Response by SSG Bill Pemberton made Apr 28 at 2015 6:00 PM

2015-04-28T18:00:17-04:00

I think there should be some kind of medal.I also believe there should be a different medal awarded to the soldiers that were actually in Europe during this time.

Response by SPC Keith Lindsey made May 14 at 2015 2:15 PM

2015-05-14T14:15:38-04:00

I completely agree with you. I would love to add one more authorized medal to my Army baseball cap. CWVM would be a welcome addition!

Response by SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. made May 28 at 2015 11:01 AM

2015-05-28T11:01:08-04:00

If you were in the service during the Cuban Defcon 2 (Oct 1962) - you deserve a medal!

Response by GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad made Jun 28 at 2015 9:38 AM

2015-06-28T09:38:00-04:00

A Congressional Gold Medal Proposed for Winning the Cold War ...

"America … won the Cold War, a triumph every bit as significant as the victory over Nazi Germany, yet there had been no V-Day celebrations, no ticker-tape parades, no Douglas MacArthur to publicly celebrate. Life in the capital seemed to roll on as if there never had been a Cold War."

http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/ralphbenko/2015/02/03/a-congressional-gold-medal-proposed-for-winning-the-cold-war-n1951964/page/full

- A Congressional Gold Medal Proposed For Winning The Cold War

The lack of a moment of celebration of the end of the Cold War cheated America out of an opportunity to reorient itself. Silence submerged the lessons of an epic epoch.

Response by SPC Margaret Higgins made Aug 4 at 2015 1:10 PM

2015-08-04T13:10:58-04:00

Decidedly yes! We faced fear-not like combat Soldiers, Marines, Airmen, Sailors do-but nevertheless we faced fear.

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Aug 5 at 2015 5:38 AM

2015-08-05T05:38:44-04:00

The cold war was real to many. It deserves some recognition to those who served.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 4 at 2015 3:17 PM

2015-09-04T15:17:56-04:00

Based on what we are seeing today. It may be a bit premature to say we won the Cold War.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 4 at 2015 3:30 PM

2015-09-04T15:30:38-04:00

I see this question come up on a lot of military threads. Bottom line, if you use current criteria for medals, logically, a Cold War Medal should be issued. I would put it on par with the GWOT (but not the GWOT-EM or theatre specific medals). If you need more of an argument all you have to do is look at the DOD body count in the 80's and you can feel the intensity of the Cold War (we lost more service members annually during the 80's for example than any year during the GWOT...hard to believe but true). Just check the DOD website and you can confirm what I am saying. The average death toll per year during the 80's was around 2,500 deaths per year. Again, this exceeds any year during the GWOT, even the worst year to date, for those that require deaths to validate the legitimacy of a conflict. Additionally, many were stateside so the overseas argument to me is N/A. The Cold War was a different gig and in many instances service members were killed in training just trying to keep up with Ivan.

Response by SGT Glenn E Moody made Sep 5 at 2015 8:59 AM

2015-09-05T08:59:16-04:00

yes i got my cheesy piece of paper and bought my own ribbon but did they make an DOD. official Medal now that we are authorized i bought the commemorative cold war Medal and came with the ribbon that i put on my veteran uniform along with other commemorative ribbon's i send my DD214 in to Medals of America that's ware i bought them had them mount them. back to the Cold war Medal ware do i get the official DOD. Medal do you or any of our brother or sister veteran's on here know please let us know i heard that they made one but wont issue it to us because of the cost. i would obtain my own to. at my veterans meeting we have roll call of officers and then the veterans of ww 1 ww11 cold war and g.w.o.t. i raise my hand under the cold war veterans that is how i am listed on the roll call of members.

Response by SSgt Phil Sigman made Sep 29 at 2015 5:54 PM

2015-09-29T17:54:56-04:00

Yes, the time has come for the CWVM. I have a National Defense Service Medal by virtue of sitting on my ass in a patrol vehicle at the Weapons Storage Area at Fairchild AFB during Desert Storm.

Response by Sgt James Rea made Nov 12 at 2015 1:36 PM

2015-11-12T13:36:42-05:00

yes

Response by LCDR Rabbah Rona Matlow made Nov 13 at 2015 2:33 PM

2015-11-13T14:33:17-05:00

absolutely. I didn't get the NDSM until Desert Storm (I enlisted in 79).

It's my understanding that veterans CAN wear it in civilian clothes, and I did so on Veteran's Day...

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 16 at 2015 8:42 PM

2015-11-16T20:42:16-05:00

yes, they should have a medal for Cold War Service. Some of it which was a little warm or hot.

Response by SGT Robert Anthony made Dec 29 at 2015 2:15 PM

2015-12-29T14:15:13-05:00

I agree a lot of us served during the "Cold war" 75-78 for myself, we never saw any combat action but that could have changed in a minute.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Jan 5 at 2016 7:29 PM

2016-01-05T19:29:11-05:00

As a cold war vet from 82-91, I know the level of training then was hard, the alerts, the mad dash to the 1 k zone. Loading an unloading of nuclear weapons at all hours of the night for "black box" exercises, 30-45 day field exercise, REFORGER, NBC, NBC, and more NBC. You won't get an argument out of me. I am all for it!

Response by SPC Steven Depuy made Jan 7 at 2016 2:41 PM

2016-01-07T14:41:31-05:00

I served during the cold war, personally, nah. I don't need a ribbon. I have a DD214 that says I served, I don't need a ribbon. My son serving in the sand box along with a lot of his friends really gave me a different view on what people go through today compared to what I went through. This is a personal thing for me, and I am not trying to put down any other cold war vet or take away from their service, but frankly, I don't feel worthy to wash the jock strap of the troops who have done tours in war zone and endured the crappy ROE, IED's, and all the other shit, while I chased hookers in Frankfurt, and tried my best to develop alcohol poisoning. Again, I am not trying to put anyone down, but when your kid patrols 6 nights a week and gets hit by so many IED's, he stops telling you, has close friends die and get life altering wounds, comes home with a bad case of PTSD, and other issues from it. Yeah, I did answer my countries call, but it was like single A baseball, when these guys today are in the major leagues.

Response by PO2 Michael Moore made Mar 20 at 2016 4:51 PM

2016-03-20T16:51:47-04:00

I will buy my own even though I feel it should be sent to us or award it in person. I did give my all for the usn without hesitation they should do the same, We really need consideration for all we have have given. AMH 2 Michael Moore

Response by SPC Johnny Velazquez, PhD made Aug 6 at 2016 4:00 PM

2016-08-06T16:00:58-04:00

I for one believe that cold war veterans have been given the cold (no pun intended) shoulder by the powers that be. I served in Germany from 62 to 65. We didn't know what the commies were planning, but we were prepared, just the same. Why not a medal in recognition of our service?

Response by SPC Justin MacKellar made Aug 22 at 2016 7:01 PM

2016-08-22T19:01:06-04:00

I think the criteria for a Cold War medal would be too vague. Would it be more like a blanket award like the GWOT or would only "forward deployed" troops be eligible? On another note (not trying to get too personal) how many of these SMs signed the dotted line during an armed conflict know very well they would be placed in combat and how many were baited by the 3-a-day, roof and free college?

Response by PO2 Robert M. made Dec 13 at 2016 2:46 AM

2016-12-13T02:46:52-05:00

Yes, I do believe there should be a Medal recognizing those who served during the "COLD WAR". I also believe there should be some recognition for the service member serving during IRAN hostage, etc.

Response by Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen made Dec 17 at 2016 12:00 PM

2016-12-17T12:00:33-05:00

While I'm all for recognition of people who served during this period, myself included, it just doesn't make sense to me. Few, if any, who would be deserving of the medal are still on active duty. The cost and paperwork involved in awarding this medal would be enormous and given the budget restraints the DOD is currently experiencing it just doesn't make sense. People who served during this period should be happy with the fact that they played a major roll in keeping the world safe. A medal that will never be worn on a uniform isn't going to change that.

Response by AN Tony Scruggs made Jan 15 at 2017 10:40 AM

2017-01-15T10:40:28-05:00

Recognition is best, not just a pat on the back or a "General" type ribbon or medal, i.e. NDSM. Every Boot gets a NDSM in basic training and I personally think it's more than "being in the club", it's an act Most people wouldn't consider doing because "let someone else do it". Shame on them and the politicians really should view us Vets in a different light and appreciate what we have sacrificed of our own lives. RESPECT!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 15 at 2017 2:22 PM

2017-02-15T14:22:52-05:00

I believe that there should be a cold war ribbon. The cold war was a unique era with a lack of violent combat engagements with our nemesis at that time, the USSR. It was also a military effort on a huge scale that: caused our opponent to disengage from the battlefield, saved potentially millions of civilian and military casualties, accelerated the economies and move to modernization for many people in Central Europe, and kept the peace in Europe for at least the next decade.

As a Soldier since 1986, I believe the cold war was a huge victory won by our military! The overall goal of our military goes beyond the tactical nature of warfare by eventually reestablishing and preserving freedom. The time we service-members spent in a stand-off, often right across the border from the opposition, saved more lives than any of the 1950s military models would have predicted for a military conflict, preserved the freedom for Western Europe, and gave back a long-awaited freedom to the people of Central Europe.

LTC (R) & SSG Schnupp
USAR

Response by SPC Johnny Velazquez, PhD made Feb 16 at 2017 1:18 PM

2017-02-16T13:18:20-05:00

As a cold war vet, it doesn't matter to me, one way or another. I served in Germany from 62 to 65, as a Nike Hercules Missile Tracking Radar Operator. We did our job.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 20 at 2017 11:42 AM

2017-02-20T11:42:43-05:00

As someone who served during this time period, I would say no. I served in Germany in the active duty Army from 1988 to 1991. Other than the Gulf War from 1990-91 (the National Defense Service Medal was given for that), my (as was the other Soldiers in my Combat Engineer unit) duty was Garrison duty. We acted as a deterrent, but we did not face any hardship other than pulling guard duty and cleaning latrines. I continue to serve in the Florida Army National Guard and served in OEF from 2007-08 as an Afghan Police Mentor in Sharana, Paktika, Afghanistan. The Soldiers who served in OEF, OIF, Vietnam, Korea, WWII, etc. definitely deserve medal-level recognition for that service However, Cold War service from my perspective was Garrison duty and does not reach the same level of merit.

Response by SSG Shawn Ireland made Feb 23 at 2017 11:35 PM

2017-02-23T23:35:09-05:00

Absolutely. There has been a petition on the hill for many years now. But with Iraq and Afghanistan we kind of got pushed to the side. We did a job that most don't understand and that's the reason I believe it has died. I think if we ever are to be recognized it's going to be the same as the veterans of both WWI and WWII. We will be old men who only have little memories of the service we did in Europe and the Fulda Gap. The only way to get this back on track is to get in touch with bothe the American Legion and the VFW. However the VFW doesn't recognize our service as a wartime service even though there were other conflicts that the American Legion recognizes which is Grenada and Lebanon. Those are the two of which I qualified as a wartime veteran by the American Legion. You didn't have to serve in the conflict, but had to be on active service to qualify.

Response by Sgt Deborah Cornatzer made Mar 21 at 2017 10:00 AM

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Regarding a Cold War Medal…. What if DOD simply extends the NDSM to cover the CW period. The argument against CWM is duplication--medals already awarded. It seems to me the “Department of Redundancy Department” has already done exactly that with NDSM. The various periods for which it is awarded have numerous medals in addition to NDSM. Expanding NDSM would perhaps be a step more easily embraced by DOD, and it would send a message of recognition and inclusion to Cold War Veterans....who provded a continuity of service and for some the "ultimate sacrifice". It was never "peace time". I still support a CWM, but we’ll all likely be dead or in retirement villages before that happens.

Response by SFC Gary Fox made Mar 30 at 2017 11:50 AM

2017-03-30T11:50:36-04:00

I think there should be a medal awarded for service during the Cold War, but it should be based upon the location of service and the mission of the unit assigned. An example would be those who served at the Fulda Gap and the North German Plain.

Response by MSgt Don Dobbs made Mar 30 at 2017 2:24 PM

2017-03-30T14:24:43-04:00

Having served through the period and having deployed on many many cold war exercises Busy Brewer, Display Determination and many others. Working out of a NATO command post called Disco hit in Turkey. Plus seeing many troops injured and killed during these exercises. Damn right recognition in the form of a decoration is needed. I served in Missle SAC, and Bomber SAC, and USAFE.

Response by SPC John Decker made Mar 30 at 2017 4:10 PM

2017-03-30T16:10:12-04:00

I didn't know that a piece of paper had been authorized. I served in what was West Germany. I was a medic assigned to an ADA battalion. The Cold War was pretty intense. '81--'84

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Mar 30 at 2017 4:14 PM

2017-03-30T16:14:53-04:00

I'm a cold war veteran. I think the National Defense Service Medal and Air Force Combat Readiness Medal represent my service well. Most of the SM serving during Cold War (1945-1991) are separated or retired. Presents an unnecessary administrative burden on the Services. Also, what the heck am I going to do with one more medal for a uniform I don't wear any more?

Response by LTC Russ Smith made Mar 30 at 2017 9:33 PM

2017-03-30T21:33:31-04:00

I agree with a Cool War Service medal. I was in from 1980-2006. It's as if the first 9 years meant nothing to the politicians. It probably didn't. But it meant a lot to me and to everyone else who stood in the gap.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 30 at 2017 10:11 PM

2017-03-30T22:11:18-04:00

Sure, make it a snowflake! Everyone gets a trophy.

Response by MSgt Brent Kennedy made Mar 31 at 2017 2:28 AM

2017-03-31T02:28:51-04:00

NO, its a participation award.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Mar 31 at 2017 8:00 AM

2017-03-31T08:00:38-04:00

Do we really need an award for NOT deploying?

Response by SFC Benjamin Parsons made Mar 31 at 2017 1:55 PM

2017-03-31T13:55:50-04:00

It's my belief that a medal celebrating Cold War service is overdue. The problem is cost and logistics. Service members desiring the retroactive medal must bear the cost.
I did earn the NDSM twice. And was headed to combat operations twice, but was once deferred and reassigned at the last minute, and the second time, the war was over before I left the tarmac.
I did serve in some kind of 'sweaty' situations on a few occasions, and had loaded enemy guns pointed at me, but I never suffered live combat. Those that have earned, and continue to earn, my utmost respect.

Response by SP5 Robert Ruck made Apr 26 at 2017 6:49 PM

2017-04-26T18:49:49-04:00

I was deployed on the front lines of the Cold War with a Pershing Missile unit. I 'be read some posts that stated all of our alerts were just practice. As one soldier who took part in innumerable alerts while on status I can state unequivocally that we treated those alerts as much more than training missions. Some took place when tensions arose around the world. Some were training exercises some were true alerts. No one knew until we were told to stand down. In the end we won the Cold War. It was a hard won victory. Approve the medal.

Response by SSG Bill Pemberton made May 20 at 2017 11:06 AM

2017-05-20T11:06:13-04:00

I look at it this way.If someone can get an award for doing a good job like firing a perfect score on a range,getting an AAM or ARCOM for doing a good job,Why can't we get an award for doing a good job for Gaurding the border during the Cold War?I seen people getting medals for the dumbest shit like just serving in their unit for a year or two.People getting Army acheivment medals just for serving and moving on to another unit.So why not a Cold War medal?

Response by SP5 Dave (Shotgun) Shockley made May 20 at 2017 8:44 PM

2017-05-20T20:44:36-04:00

They sent me one of these, but I would have preferred a medal. I not have room in my office to displace another framed document. LOL

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 4 at 2017 2:32 AM

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Response by PO2 Michael Moore made Jun 8 at 2017 4:25 PM

2017-06-08T16:25:25-04:00

Yes, there should be one 1977-89 USn I earned it.

Response by SFC William Blake Rewis made Jun 24 at 2017 10:15 PM

2017-06-24T22:15:05-04:00

I serviced two tours first in Germany from 1974 to 1977 3rd Bn. 84th FA(Pershing) we were told if we fired our missiles we had about 21 seconds to live. The second time was 1985 to 1988 with 3rd Armor Div. if the shtf we were to cover the withdrawn of all noncombatants for at least 24 hours if we could last that long. I was also in Korea 1971 to 1972 . I never was combat in the 21 years in was in before I retired in 1998, but during the three tours when we went on alert we didn't know if it was the real thing or just another drill. So for ones that feel that there isn't a need for this award they would feel different if had ever had to spend one hour in a forward alert site waiting for orders.

Response by SMSgt Lawrence McCarter made Jun 24 at 2017 11:08 PM

2017-06-24T23:08:21-04:00

There is a cold War commemorative Medal available by Commercial outlets. It is of course NOT authorized for wear on a Military uniform. What is official as You mentioned is the certificate which has no medal to go with it. I do have the certificate.

Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made Aug 25 at 2017 5:45 PM

2017-08-25T17:45:13-04:00

I sent for my certificate a couple of years ago and put in a frame. There was actually a mention of the ribbon in the '80's, but you had to purchase it.

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Aug 25 at 2017 5:46 PM

2017-08-25T17:46:29-04:00

Yes its on every can of Pabst Blue Ribbon beer you consume. This way you don't lose those squeeze retainers or dammits

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 25 at 2017 6:20 PM

2017-08-25T18:20:37-04:00

DFAS remembers me once a month and VA gives me all the healthcare I can survive. Everything else is gravy.

Response by Maj John Bell made Aug 25 at 2017 7:45 PM

2017-08-25T19:45:32-04:00

No! There are far too many "participation" awards. Awards for individuals and units should be for more than "showing up". I also am opposed to the end of tour awards that seem to go to every senior SNCO and Captain (O-3) and above, who manages no to get relieved for cause.

The oversized "fruit salad" dilutes the recognition that should go to those that go well beyond showing up.

Response by CPL Kevin Howe made Sep 14 at 2017 2:31 PM

2017-09-14T14:31:37-04:00

I'm all for it. A lot of vets from that era serving on submarines, recon aircraft and Third World hot spots should be recognized. The medal was actually designed and struck, then for some reason the Pentagon decided not to issue it

Response by CPL Kevin Howe made Sep 14 at 2017 2:34 PM

2017-09-14T14:34:40-04:00

I'm all for it when I consider the people who served along the Iron Curtain in recon aircraft, submarines, with advisory teams in third-world hotspots or just guarding the frontiers, who got no recognition at all.

Response by SFC Larry Nicholson made Sep 14 at 2017 5:23 PM

2017-09-14T17:23:06-04:00

Isn't that called Nationsl defense metal??

Response by SPC Huong Pham made Sep 14 at 2017 9:03 PM

2017-09-14T21:03:39-04:00

Service should be recognized where due.

Response by PO1 Kevin Dougherty made Sep 15 at 2017 12:14 AM

2017-09-15T00:14:45-04:00

I would say yes, it may have been "cold" but tell that to the guys who died, too many from enemy action.

Response by SFC Rick Prekker made Sep 15 at 2017 8:35 AM

2017-09-15T08:35:58-04:00

So a participation award. I was in Germany during the cold war and even transported missile systems to be destroyed in front of Russian witnesses and don't believe an award needs to be given for simply being in uniform during a certain timeframe. Just my take on it, I don't need a lot of awards to show anything, especially aftet retirement.

Response by CWO3 Dennis M. made Sep 15 at 2017 9:06 AM

2017-09-15T09:06:58-04:00

Absolutely! I served from 1967 to 1990. I received my Vietnam service medal, but I was also in the Med and the North Atlantic, Caribbean, and all through the Pacific keeping the Russians from doing something stupid, out of 23 years in the Navy, I served 14 years of sea duty. And lets not forget that many in the military service died during the the cold war, maybe not from enemy action, but rather by being part of our single best weapon to keep the peace, shear military presence! Literally hundreds of patriots died during the course of the Cold War, that might be alive today had the Cold War not existed! Yes, an award should be issued for service during the Cold War.

Response by Capt Steven Baughman made Sep 15 at 2017 10:02 AM

2017-09-15T10:02:30-04:00

That's what the National Defense medal is for. No need for an additional medal for doing your job.

Response by SPC Jim Johnson made Sep 15 at 2017 10:09 AM

2017-09-15T10:09:39-04:00

I agree with this idea. There were a lot of people that were involved in the cold war. I think those people should be recognized even if DoD does not think its necessary. Another way they can cut costs and deny veterans their recognition.

Response by SSgt Boyd Welch made Sep 15 at 2017 10:16 AM

2017-09-15T10:16:08-04:00

Only speaking from my USAF background and not other military time, if we were given authorization for a Good Conduct Medal (keeping your nose clean) and professional military education, why wouldn't someone who had honorably served their country during the cold war be recognized? It's not a combat medal but it is a reflection of integrity, fidelity, and dedication. In my mind it ranks along with the NDSM. Just my opinion...

Response by SSG David Andrews made Sep 15 at 2017 1:19 PM

2017-09-15T13:19:51-04:00

I have the "cheesy piece of paper". That is a very poor excuse of any recognition. I strongly support the creation of an official ribbon and/or medal for "Cold War Service"!

Response by SGT David Petree made Sep 16 at 2017 12:43 AM

2017-09-16T00:43:27-04:00

Ribbon I could go for that. After standing on the border watching the East Germans watch us. In 2 ft. of snow. O hay. Hell I would buy it if it was out there. Go with them 2 NDM .

Response by SGT Scott Henderson made Sep 18 at 2017 3:43 PM

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Here's your fucking commendation: For steadfast loyalty, and gallantry during a period of political and international tension the likes of which the world has never seen the intergalactic coalition of homosapien superiority hereby awards [insert name] the Super Nifty You're Awesome Medal of Living in the Past.

Response by SGT Harold Watson made Sep 18 at 2017 5:58 PM

2017-09-18T17:58:07-04:00

I served in Vietnam in 1968-69 with an Infantry unit as an RTO. I been shot at, mortored, shelled, and I shot back on numerous times. I was an easy and prime target by the enemy while I was carrying and operating the PRC 25 (prick 25) radio. I was not an 11B but an 05B. This disqualified me for the CIB. I came back home only with the NDSM, Vietnam service medal, Vietnam campaign medal, and Army Commendation Medal with V. That was it. Not receiving the CIB was disappointing. I know it was for only 11B's, but I was in the middle with them. That being said, I don't take any value in my "medals" and they don't mean nothing to me.

Response by MAJ Luca Luca made Sep 18 at 2017 8:06 PM

2017-09-18T20:06:14-04:00

I grew up in Germany during and after the Cold War. We were stationed with Pershing II units. These guys were almost on constant alert, spys, terrorism, shootings, kidnappings, murder, that was reality. These guys were consummate professionals. Always sharp, always alert and ready. The professionalism, cohesion and phenominal team work greatly contributed to the "Evil Empire" never puffing up too much. Cold war soldiers reunified Germany, broke the Soviet Union's hold on the Eastern Block. Guys who served in ETO and PTO after WW2 received "Occupation Medal", why shouldn't Cold War vets get one? They deserve it. Those guys were a cut above and kept those Reds at bay;)
Pin it to'em!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 18 at 2017 10:35 PM

2017-09-18T22:35:45-04:00

But what would be the award criteria? Everyone who served during the Cold War regardless of duty location or only those who served in Europe / Germany or who played tag with the Russian Air Force and Navy?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 19 at 2017 5:44 AM

2017-09-19T05:44:54-04:00

So. You want a participation trophy for serving during a time when nothing really happened?

Response by CW4 Steven Talbott made Sep 19 at 2017 9:02 AM

2017-09-19T09:02:16-04:00

no, we have too many participation ribbons now. PVTS. getting out of basic training have more ribbons than some ww2 best.

Response by PO2 Roger O'Day made Sep 19 at 2017 11:01 AM

2017-09-19T11:01:11-04:00

I'd buy mine too.

Response by 1SG Harold Piet made Sep 19 at 2017 4:35 PM

2017-09-19T16:35:28-04:00

I have no opinion, I do not respect the wearing of medals short of combat earned. I have no combat. so therefore no respect for the ribbons on my chest.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 19 at 2017 9:57 PM

2017-09-19T21:57:44-04:00

Inam a firm believer that recognizing Service Members for their service during any period in Armed Forces is critical to keeping and maintaining the support of our veterans after they leave service. I support a Cold War Ribbon or something to support those who did not recieve any recognition for their service as long as they completed their Term of Service and were discharged Honorably. For me that is mandatory.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 20 at 2017 1:53 PM

2017-09-20T13:53:18-04:00

I absolutley believe some recognition needs to be awarded to all that served during the cold war. I served from 83-88 with 2 years in Germany along the East German Border. Very tense times there and with the Red Army Faction causing fear and conducting many terrorist acts across Europe targeting U.S. Bases. We were on guard constantly.
We deserve more than a crappy piece of paper.

Response by Sgt Thomas Randolph made Sep 20 at 2017 5:24 PM

2017-09-20T17:24:27-04:00

I enlisted in 92. Since Desert Shield/Storm was going on, I graduated boot with National Defense Medal. I think there should be. A medal issued for all of the people that served in the Cold War. An Army buddy of mine spent 1/2 his enlistment in Germany & other have in Middle East. Obvious medals for Middle East but nothing for being in harms way in Germany. With all the "Police Actions" the US is involved in, at least give the grunts more pretty ribbons. I'm proud of mine but they don't really mean much outside the military.

Response by SP5 Jeffrey Ludwig made Sep 20 at 2017 8:59 PM

2017-09-20T20:59:46-04:00

I served on active duty at Walter Reed from 76 to the end of 79, and for a year after in the MD National Guard in an Infantry Battalion as the NCOIC of the Battalion Aid Station. At WRAMC we served a lot of Vietnam Vets who were horribly wounded and I thank God we learned from that mess and have better care for our wounded warriors now.

Would I be proud to display a NDSM for my service in the Army? Sure but the thing that also irks me is that those of us who served honorably during certain periods of the cold war don't even qualify to be members of the American Legion. I confess I didn't have to dodge bullets or IED's but we served long hours every day caring for the men and women of our armed forces.

I am proud to be a veteran, the Army helped me become a man whose loves his country and at 19 agreed to write a blank check. I don't need a medal to make me proud but would be proud to have it awarded in recognition of our service. Now-a-days ROTC students are authorized to wear the NDSM, but not vets who volunteered to serve during a time when we all thought the "Balloon" could go up any day. Those who served during the cold war deserve recognition as contributing to the National Defense of our great country.

Response by MAJ Wayne Sweeney made Sep 21 at 2017 5:59 PM

2017-09-21T17:59:17-04:00

There is a Cold War Medal, but it is an unofficial award. It should be an official military award to be given to all services to those who meet the criteria of being awarded. But, unfortunately, it probably won't happen for one reason or another.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 22 at 2017 2:04 AM

2017-09-22T02:04:16-04:00

So for those of you that have brought up being stationed in Korea during the "Cold War", there is a medal authorized for that, it is the Korea Defense Service Medal. Also, many people may not even realize that they may be authorized the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal for many operations and direct support of operations during that time.

Response by SFC Craig Starr made Sep 22 at 2017 2:30 AM

2017-09-22T02:30:49-04:00

It was vital to be ready for war at a moments notice and regularly demostraiting dominating military might was critical to keeping peace, it's hard to justify a medal for a conflict that never was.

I thank you for your service but the 80s had plenty of engauged conflicts, Honduras, Panama... that shouldn't be defiled with " participation ribbons" for conflicts that were, we'll never conflicts.

Sorry, be glad you were lucky to serve honorable without the turmoil and hardships that have followed out service men and women for the last 17 plus years and counting.

The money needs to be spent to ensure they have the best gear, training and readiness our country can afford.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 22 at 2017 3:10 AM

2017-09-22T03:10:36-04:00

We have the GWOTSM, so why not...

Response by LT Pete Rivera (FMF) made Sep 22 at 2017 11:23 AM

2017-09-22T11:23:03-04:00

You should always recognize the contribution. That is the very purpose of ALL military awards.

Response by SPC Paul C. made Oct 14 at 2017 10:45 AM

2017-10-14T10:45:01-04:00

YES !!!

Response by SFC Craig Starr made Dec 23 at 2017 10:18 AM

2017-12-23T10:18:53-05:00

No!

Response by CPT Robert Duncan Xiv made Jan 5 at 2018 4:06 PM

2018-01-05T16:06:07-05:00

I knew this Clinical Specialist as his instructor outstanding individual to this day. Read his book Overreach Blood of Patriots

Response by MSG David Johnson made Jan 12 at 2018 12:25 AM

2018-01-12T00:25:07-05:00

There is a Cold War Commemorative medal you can get from MCSS, it's been around for a lot of years, someday someone will finally get the bill pushed through and get us more than just a piece of paper.

Response by ENS Eric Johnston made Feb 19 at 2018 6:25 AM

2018-02-19T06:25:42-05:00

It is difficult to understand and accept why the Cold War Medal still had not been authorized. An argument resting on the fact that the Cold War was not declared by the United States Congress is entirely weak; because only five wars were declared by Congress. This means not even the Korean War or the Vietnam War were officially declared by Congress. Furthermore, records will show that President George H. W. Bush and Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev declared an end to the Cold War at the Malta Summit on December 3, 1989. Therefore, these two leaders acknowledged the Cold War, and its end needed to be officially declared.

Response by ENS Eric Johnston made Feb 20 at 2018 4:55 PM

2018-02-20T16:55:59-05:00

Response by SrA Wayne Conell made Mar 7 at 2018 1:18 AM

2018-03-07T01:18:07-05:00

I believe us Vetrans who served during the Cold War know what it was like to be on alert 24/7 when everyday we literlilly was at war just by push of a button.
I remember leaving my base in 1983 on a reconstitution force and it was not a drill, before cell phones and I never got to call my wife and kid and say goodbye. How real is that ?

Response by CPL John Parker made Apr 18 at 2018 6:59 PM

2018-04-18T18:59:14-04:00

metals are for narcissist.....I don't need any metals.....I want only my republic back with the core Constitution and Bill of Rights....you can keep your ribbons.

Response by SSgt Mark Paige made May 7 at 2018 9:21 PM

2018-05-07T21:21:37-04:00

I agree

Response by Sgt David Buehler made Dec 19 at 2018 12:41 AM

2018-12-19T00:41:14-05:00

I agree. Although there was no "declared war", we were constantly concerned with movement of the eastern bloc, trained constantly, and had alerts. Subversion was at an all time high and we were constantly warned and schooled on "red" policies and practices. The constant pressure to maintain readiness took its toll on some. It was not a party constantly as some believe.

Response by SSG Mark Tsunokai made Dec 30 at 2018 11:29 AM

2018-12-30T11:29:34-05:00

I agree. There should be a Cold War medal. Served in Heilbronn, West Germany in 1987 to 1988. We were supporting a P2 Missile unit, by providing them security. Our BDE was awarded The Superior Unit for their contributions to the INF Treaty between Russia and the United States.

Response by SGT Jim Humphrey made Dec 30 at 2018 12:27 PM

2018-12-30T12:27:17-05:00

Yes. Here is the info on the certificate and the medal (you must pay for)
The Cold War Medal

Criteria and Background:

Inspired by the Cold War Recognition Certificate created by Section 1084 of Public Law 105-85, approved on November 18, 1987. The official certificate is to recognize "members of the Armed Forces and civilian personnel of the Government who served the United States during the Cold War." While congress did not specifically authorize a medal for Federal service during the Cold War, this medal has been adopted as the de-facto official Cold War Medal, mainly by its use by State National Guards, along with military and patriotic societies, including being recognized as the official medal of the Military Order of Foreign Wars.

The Cold War Medal was designed by Nadine Russell, the Chief of Creative Heraldry at the Army's Institute of Heraldry and the designer of many campaign and service medals, including the Southwest Asia Service Medal, the Armed Forces Service Medal, and the Outstanding Military Volunteer Service Medal.

The Criteria for the medal is to have served honorably between the inclusive dates of September 2, 1945 and December 26, 1991

USAMM has the medal

Response by SGT James (Rick) Presley made Dec 30 at 2018 2:48 PM

2018-12-30T14:48:44-05:00

I never even got a paper for the Cold War. Geezzz. I was drafted during Vietnam in 68 and was sent to s Korea We brought the first CH47s into Korea. 19th AVN Co, camp Humphreys

Response by Cpl Mark Sullivan made Dec 30 at 2018 4:00 PM

2018-12-30T16:00:36-05:00

Why do you need a price of tin.

Response by SFC David Xanten made Dec 30 at 2018 7:57 PM

2018-12-30T19:57:56-05:00

It’s just another been there medal

Response by SPC John Decker made Dec 31 at 2018 7:26 AM

2018-12-31T07:26:48-05:00

There should be some kind of recognition for those of us who served during those years.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2019 3:03 PM

2019-01-01T15:03:05-05:00

Yes

Response by COL Brian Shea made Jan 2 at 2019 9:43 PM

2019-01-02T21:43:16-05:00

No. We do not need another participation ribbon, especially since the vast majority of those it would apply to are out of service now.

Response by CH (CPT) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2019 8:49 AM

2019-01-11T08:49:09-05:00

Yes

Response by SMSgt Lawrence McCarter made Apr 4 at 2019 1:38 AM

2019-04-04T01:38:28-04:00

Only a commemorative ribbon but here is a Cold War Medal. There is no government issue and one of these Commemorative is NOT authorized for wear on a Military uniform. Only a Cold War certificate is Government issued but there is no authorized medal to go with it.

Response by SPC John Decker made Aug 3 at 2019 4:34 PM

2019-08-03T16:34:12-04:00

I always thought there should be.

Response by SSG James Oliver Nathan Jr made Aug 3 at 2019 5:55 PM

2019-08-03T17:55:05-04:00

Damn Right! For those who were in South Korea in and around the DMZ. 1979-1980, 1982-1983, CSC, B CO.1st Bn. 38th Inf. 2nd Inf Div. Both times in the DMZ. With the COB w/a star.

Response by SFC William Fowle made Aug 3 at 2019 6:24 PM

2019-08-03T18:24:49-04:00

I will be very interested in seeing what happens with the new rules for Legion eligibility. In the past you had to have qualified for the NDSM to be eligible for the American Legion. The new rule makes all non-dishonorably discjarged veterans eligible for Legion membership. That may mean that eligibility for the NDSM will be updated in furthet recognition of the Cold War.

Response by SPC Richard DiCristi made Aug 4 at 2019 2:48 PM

2019-08-04T14:48:10-04:00

I know a company Medals USA has a nice looking medal for the Cold War, which would be nice to have. I know TX and LA authorize it as a State Award, and it would be nicer than that rather chintzy certificate they gave out a while back. I'd have no issue buying it, but would only do it if it was an authorized item, since the thought of "awarding" myself a medal rankles me.

Response by MSgt Terry Mahan made Aug 4 at 2019 5:22 PM

2019-08-04T17:22:55-04:00

Yes, it was earned. We even lost lives during this period. Bull Shit to the politics and make it happen.

Response by SPC Scott Verdin made Aug 5 at 2019 3:14 AM

2019-08-05T03:14:14-04:00

My whole unit was active duty during Desert Storm back in Germany guarding housing,fueling ammo...etc and I do believe that qualified for the medal

Response by SFC Francisco Rosario made Aug 5 at 2019 4:40 AM

2019-08-05T04:40:20-04:00

Many have forgets that there was a Cold War. All the alerts and the training for the possibility of a huge war that could wipe out half the earth, those were some tense times.

Response by SGT James Murphy made Aug 5 at 2019 6:22 PM

2019-08-05T18:22:03-04:00

Nope!

Response by Maj John Bell made Aug 5 at 2019 6:54 PM

2019-08-05T18:54:45-04:00

It is the DoD equivalent of "Everybody gets a participation trophy."

Response by SFC Francisco Rosario made Oct 2 at 2019 7:43 AM

2019-10-02T07:43:07-04:00

I remember having to go through training alerts and learning all about the Soviet War Machine. How was the US Army going to proceed in case the big one went off? And many other questions about what would happen. All the readiness that we went through, so yes i guess a proper recognition would be in order.

In this day and age we are all about inclusion and making sure we don't offend others by making them feel left out. Some would argue that was one of the reasons the Combat Action Badge (CAB) was introduced. And yet we wont recognize those who served and lived the Cold War. Wha a sham.

Response by SPC John Decker made Oct 2 at 2019 9:32 AM

2019-10-02T09:32:25-04:00

I served from '81 to '84. I spent 18 months in West Germany. I spent a week in Berlin, including 1 day in East Berlin. We were the first line of deterrence. Regardless of cost, the medal should be authorized and issued. The refusal from DoD prompts a question. How many of those is senior positions, today, served prior to '91?

Response by SP5 Joel O'Brien made Oct 2 at 2019 12:09 PM

2019-10-02T12:09:51-04:00

IMHO...While a CW medal might be nice, I feel the money involved in producing it could be better spent elsewhere(and not used to support any portion of a certain wall that's been in the news). Yes, I served during a period of the Cold War(in West Berlin) but I don't feel the need for any special thanks for doing the job I did. That's my two cents!

Response by SPC Rob Lewis made Oct 2 at 2019 12:10 PM

2019-10-02T12:10:06-04:00

Definitely need to be recognized. With the way they are handing out ribbons and awards now, why not....

Response by SPC Edward Medina made Oct 2 at 2019 4:38 PM

2019-10-02T16:38:22-04:00

I'll pay for one!

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 2 at 2019 5:53 PM

2019-10-02T17:53:05-04:00

Blah blah blah. We know what we did. No need for a medal or ribbon to proven it. IMO

Response by LTC Russ Smith made Oct 3 at 2019 5:40 AM

2019-10-03T05:40:37-04:00

The military gives out ribbons for almost everything. If you get a set of orders to go overseas in peace time you get a ribbon. If you finish your NCO school you get a riibbon. When you finish basic training you get a ribbon. But for keeping the nuclear peace, prepared to fight in the Fulda Gap, nope.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 3 at 2019 9:18 AM

2019-10-03T09:18:30-04:00

Yes, there should be a Cold War Medal. I like medals since they tell me what time periods a service member served.

Response by CAPT Ken McManaman made Oct 3 at 2019 2:40 PM

2019-10-03T14:40:15-04:00

There should be a Cold War Medal. A lot was sacrificed

Response by SGT Ron Egan made Oct 3 at 2019 8:30 PM

2019-10-03T20:30:18-04:00

Having been stationed in Berlin from 1975 to 1977, facing those Soviet Socialist SOB's daily, Your welcome.

Response by SSG Joseph Robinson made Oct 3 at 2019 10:12 PM

2019-10-03T22:12:20-04:00

I agree with you. During that time period endure all drills and training for chemical and nuclear warfare. There was no room for any mistakes.

Response by CPL Kevin Howe made Oct 5 at 2019 3:54 PM

2019-10-05T15:54:02-04:00

Of course there should be a Cold War medal. A lot of unsung heroes served hazardous duty along the Iron Curtain, in recon flights, submarines and border security. Many didn't qualify for the NDSM, but they should have something to show for it.

Response by SPC John Decker made Jan 2 at 2020 4:39 PM

2020-01-02T16:39:31-05:00

I was unaware that the cheesy piece of paper had been authorized. Has the DoD ever specified what its objection is/was? I would appreciate the recognition. Thanks for posting the question.

Response by SSG Ralph Watkins made Jan 2 at 2020 4:42 PM

2020-01-02T16:42:29-05:00

Many of us that served during the Cold War aren't as ribbon, medal, badge, rocker, tag, & whatever crazy as the current generation. In the 70s & 80s, most people did 3 years & maybe go out with a GCM. That was it. The NDSM was not issued between Vietnam & Desert Storm. The ASR is pathetic. Most of us on social media from the Cold War groups are okay with just the certificate. I may be wrong. I got the most coveted Cold War medal. The WW-II Army of Occupation Medal for serving in West Berlin. Until the Berlin Wall came down, it was still a WW-II occupied city.

Response by SSG Harry Herres made Jan 2 at 2020 5:28 PM

2020-01-02T17:28:56-05:00

Question is WHY was it not been authorized when the were serving? A lot of them are gone but not forgotten. Yes, now not later!

Response by SGT Mike Fritz made Jan 2 at 2020 9:42 PM

2020-01-02T21:42:18-05:00

It is okay, I am good. I don't need another medal to feel like I did my part. We won, that's good enough.

Response by SSG Harper Peterson made Jan 2 at 2020 11:30 PM

2020-01-02T23:30:27-05:00

Next there will be a Woodland camouflage ribbon, and a digicam ribbon. How about a Jungle Boot ribbon? Hope y’all get my sarcasm. Stop looking for ribbons to add to your insignificant fruit salad and get off you ass and earn it. Tired of reading all the patch hungry and ‘we need this ribbon/medal’ desk jockeys.

Response by SGT M. C. made Jan 3 at 2020 4:34 AM

2020-01-03T04:34:25-05:00

ABSOLUTELY!

Response by Cpl Bernard Bates made Jan 3 at 2020 5:26 PM

2020-01-03T17:26:02-05:00

I always thought the National Defense ribbon covered the cold war. I am old school Marine corp 59-63 Army 63-66. I don't think we need a ribbon for everything nowdays. I guess another ribbon would look good on a uniform. I served in Vietnam in 65 and 66. We are eligible for 4 different ribbons. I think one would have been enough. National Defense, Vietnam campaign, Vietnam service and Vietnam cross of gallantry. The Vietnam Campaign ribbon, and the Vietnam cross of gallantry were awarded to US. troops by a Government that no longer exists. Since Vietnam is communist what difference does it make. Semper Fi.

Response by LTC John Griscom made Jan 3 at 2020 9:17 PM

2020-01-03T21:17:29-05:00

It's called the National Defense Service Ribbon. Everyone that served during that period got one.

Response by CPL Kevin Howe made Jan 3 at 2020 10:56 PM

2020-01-03T22:56:47-05:00

Absolutely. There are people who served then who didn't even get an NDSM. Some hairy missions involving recon of the Iron Curtain, spy planes and submarines, deserve something

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 4 at 2020 2:13 AM

2020-01-04T02:13:59-05:00

What another medal to buy? Look, anyone who served during those years to present day should at least be recognized for what they did and why. But again another medal to buy?

Response by LTC Gene Moser made Jan 4 at 2020 1:54 PM

2020-01-04T13:54:57-05:00

For people who have very similar medals - case in point the MSM and the JMSM, it seems odd that they don't like to give some recognition to "the little guy." For instance, I was in Korea, on the DMZ 67-68. I received the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal. When that was discontinued as the Zone became calm again, the ROK government produced a very fancy service medal and offered it to DoD who rejected it, like they rejected the Korean War campaign medal issued by the ROK. I see the desired Cold War Service Medal (I think 'Victory Medal" is in questionable taste has a similar problem. I think we deserve one. Just authorize the wearing of the commemorative medal that already exists.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 4 at 2020 2:08 PM

2020-01-04T14:08:53-05:00

I personally believe this is a great idea.

Response by Lt Col Charlie Brown made Jan 4 at 2020 5:51 PM

2020-01-04T17:51:25-05:00

Didn't we get the National Defense Ribbon?

Response by SPC Scott Verdin made Jan 4 at 2020 6:21 PM

2020-01-04T18:21:42-05:00

I served from 89- 92 active duty with two different units while in Germany pulled guard duty during Desert Storm at the first unit then PCS'D to FT Sill then to 377th TAACOM in N.O. in the reserves till 96 not once did any one of these units ever issue us this medal.

Response by CPT Tom Monahan made Jan 4 at 2020 8:08 PM

2020-01-04T20:08:09-05:00

There should have been a victory medal when the wall came down. Diplomacy and politics got in the way. Now, I reflect on the fact that we won our war through procurement and ready manpower.

Response by SGT Steve McFarland made Jan 4 at 2020 10:47 PM

2020-01-04T22:47:49-05:00

What cheesy piece of paper? All I got was a NDSM.

Response by SCPO Morris Ramsey made Jan 4 at 2020 10:55 PM

2020-01-04T22:55:01-05:00

I thought it was called The National Defense Service Medal

Response by CPL Douglas Chrysler made Jan 4 at 2020 11:36 PM

2020-01-04T23:36:39-05:00

Didn't you get your certificate?

Response by Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen made Jan 5 at 2020 3:01 PM

2020-01-05T15:01:52-05:00

What's the point? It would have made sense a few years after the fall of the Soviet Union but this long after that what purpose does it have other than to sit on someone's 'I Love Me' wall? Look, I served during a good chunk of the period and pulled alert in B-52s and FB-111s, heck we even got a 'break' from the Vietnam War by pulling alert on Guam, but this far after the fact is pure tokenism. Those who served know exactly what they accomplished and don't need a medal to be told they did their job well!

Response by PO3 Paul Barger made Jan 5 at 2020 4:59 PM

2020-01-05T16:59:44-05:00

I have commented alot on this issue and all I can say is for those that remember how close we did actually come to war with Russia and North Korea. Does the Cuba Missile Crisis 1962 ring a bell? or how about the USS Pueblo taken by Korea in 1968, and is still a Commissioned Navy ship but is still in North Korea figure that one. Cold War Medal my opinion is that it is long over due just my 2 cents.

Response by PO1 Cliff Heath made Feb 8 at 2020 4:07 PM

2020-02-08T16:07:23-05:00

Yeah as a Cold War Vet myself, I think it would be nice to be recognized officially, and have something to put into your Shadowbox

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2020 6:21 PM

2020-04-12T18:21:09-04:00

this old but important, those of us that served post vietnam and pre GWOT, we were always on the ready, and did all the training, for the ultimate battle, NDSL maybe but a medal for that time period yes, just my thought, as i served thru that and GWOT

Response by SPC John Decker made Apr 13 at 2020 6:30 AM

2020-04-13T06:30:19-04:00

Yes

Response by SSG Manny Ramirez made Jul 21 at 2020 10:21 PM

2020-07-21T22:21:29-04:00

yeah, I think there should be some type of recognition

Response by SFC Carlos Torres Jr. made Jul 23 at 2020 7:12 AM

2020-07-23T07:12:07-04:00

Yes we should have a Cold War Medal we won the war. Because we keep the peace because of what we did. I want history to remember us when we are gone it’s harder to forget when there is a Medal than a Certificate.

Response by 1SG Ed Bernas made Apr 11 at 2021 1:08 PM

2021-04-11T13:08:17-04:00

WE WERE RECOGNIZED

Response by 1SG Ed Bernas made Apr 11 at 2021 1:09 PM

2021-04-11T13:09:10-04:00

WE WERE RECOGNIZED

Response by SSG John Jensen made Apr 11 at 2021 11:40 PM

2021-04-11T23:40:56-04:00

now that I need to make a memorial to Dad, that would be a nice addition.

And....what do you think of a 'Framed Father and Son DD214s'?

Response by SPC Richard Stengline made Apr 14 at 2021 11:17 AM

2021-04-14T11:17:59-04:00

What about one for people who served in CA in the 80's?

Response by SSG Harry Herres made Apr 12 at 2022 9:46 PM

2022-04-12T21:46:03-04:00

It had better get passed before there are no one alive to receive it. My dad , long gone (2002) and brother served during this time in Germany. My dad Col. Herres when the Berlin Wall went up the to 10th Special Forces. My brother a Cpl as an MP securing nuclear weapons. Yes