https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/should-the-members-of-chaz-chop-or-whatever-they-are-calling-themselves-today-be-considered-traitors-for-seceding-from-the-union <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Just a curiosity question to provoke thought and civil conversation.... A large part of the population regards members of the Confederacy as &quot;traitors&quot; because they left the Union and formed their own Nation with an independent government. Should not the autonomous zone in Seattle be considered the same? They consider themselves no longer subject to US laws and have formed their own border with fences, checkpoints, and are reportedly requiring ID for anyone to enter. Is that not in effect what the Confederacy (in it&#39;s base terms) was? A rejection of Federal control and oversight?<br /><br />As an added bonus...Would the Confederacy still be considered &quot;traitorous&quot; had they been successful in their struggle against the Union? Mon, 22 Jun 2020 14:29:43 -0400 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/should-the-members-of-chaz-chop-or-whatever-they-are-calling-themselves-today-be-considered-traitors-for-seceding-from-the-union <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Just a curiosity question to provoke thought and civil conversation.... A large part of the population regards members of the Confederacy as &quot;traitors&quot; because they left the Union and formed their own Nation with an independent government. Should not the autonomous zone in Seattle be considered the same? They consider themselves no longer subject to US laws and have formed their own border with fences, checkpoints, and are reportedly requiring ID for anyone to enter. Is that not in effect what the Confederacy (in it&#39;s base terms) was? A rejection of Federal control and oversight?<br /><br />As an added bonus...Would the Confederacy still be considered &quot;traitorous&quot; had they been successful in their struggle against the Union? MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P Mon, 22 Jun 2020 14:29:43 -0400 2020-06-22T14:29:43-04:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/should-the-members-of-chaz-chop-or-whatever-they-are-calling-themselves-today-be-considered-traitors-for-seceding-from-the-union?n=6032629&urlhash=6032629 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Long answer hell yes, short answer yes SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth Mon, 22 Jun 2020 14:33:59 -0400 2020-06-22T14:33:59-04:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/should-the-members-of-chaz-chop-or-whatever-they-are-calling-themselves-today-be-considered-traitors-for-seceding-from-the-union?n=6032638&urlhash=6032638 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I find it ironic that everything they created are things they rallied against MSG Private RallyPoint Member Mon, 22 Jun 2020 14:37:52 -0400 2020-06-22T14:37:52-04:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/should-the-members-of-chaz-chop-or-whatever-they-are-calling-themselves-today-be-considered-traitors-for-seceding-from-the-union?n=6035706&urlhash=6035706 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think we should turn off the power supply, trash and sewage removal, and running water to the area.<br />No doubt, they will come up with Green ways to solve those problems in their sovereign state. 1SG Private RallyPoint Member Tue, 23 Jun 2020 12:37:21 -0400 2020-06-23T12:37:21-04:00 2020-06-22T14:29:43-04:00