Posted on May 12, 2016
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This weekend, my unit is conducting a battalion FTX. During this weekend we will be qualifying via an EST 3000 simulation. Personally, I would like to shoot live rounds down range. Do you think soldiers in the Reserves should be sacrificing real world experience?
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Nope they should still qualify with live rounds because it never replaces the fear of killing your enemies in real world combat scenario. We already got enough Call of Duty wannabe couch potatoes trying to play war as the real thing.
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CPL José A CastroPacheco
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Couldn't agree more. Nothing replaces the hands on training of getting to know your real weapon and what it takes to squeeze that real trigger.
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SFC Jim Ruether
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SSG Warren Swan - Sarcasm will get you everywhere SSG Swan!
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SSG Warren Swan
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CPL José A CastroPacheco - ummmm yeah that "getting to know your real weapon" could be a rather touchy, messy, and sticky situation. I think I squeezed the trigger more than enough times. I had to get my eyes repaired by laser surgery to repair all the damage done by squeezing the trigger.
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CPL José A CastroPacheco
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I read you. I used to switch stances so as not to grow a single callous on my fingers. Nothing better than MOUT training.
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The DOD can waste $160 billion+ (its a money pit) on F35 fighter and its 1100 defects so what is 50 bucks per soldier on ammo?
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SFC Jim Ruether
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Usually about 9 ought to do it!
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SFC (Join to see) - worst case scenario.
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SFC (Join to see) - be rested and dont drink red bull or it will take more to zero. 12 shots for me to zero
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Agreed completely Sir!

With optics, I can usually help a soldier zero at 100m in 3-5 rounds. Average is 5 rounds. After that point, rounds should just confirm zero.

The biggest mistake I usually see made during zeroing process is being too ginger with adjustments. After the 1st shot, I have them make a significant # of clicks.

A quick example: At 100m if the print is 2" low and dead center, with an optic that has 1/2 MOA adjustments, make a 10 click elevation adjustment. If you overshoot, at least you can calculate by how much.

Same concept with iron sights:)
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So should we switch from shooting in the heat, possibly rain, in the sand, with bright sun and sweat dripping into your eyes, to an air conditioned room with perfect conditions? It's not just about hitting the 300m. It's about familiarization with noise, kick, environment, movement, and resiliency. Nothing can replace that.
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Sgt Infantryman
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Zach, stop trying to be so logical. It really makes the generals mad.
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SFC Jim Ruether
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Good answer Zach!
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