Posted on Jan 18, 2016
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First of all General Petraous is not a member of the active U.S. military, he's retired. Unless he is a member of the Retired Reserve, he can't be reduced in rank. This sounds more like political revenge by a corrupt administration.
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People in high positions need to hold themselves accountable. They knew the rules. They broke them and knew they broke them. Are these the people you want leading your country or representing the armed forces? It isn't an easy job, that is why they were offered the position. They failed. I feel sorry for them. Now they pay the price. That's it.
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MCPO Roger Collins
Care to cite a precedent where someone in the military was prosecuted, tried and convicted in a Federal court, then retroactively punished in a military venue for the same incident.
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Sp4 Skinner, I will admit up front I'm not a fan of Gen. Petraeus. He was a self promoting car rest that had a dismal record of accomplishments with his biggest sell a very flawed Counterinsurgency Warfare program along with Marine General Amos the wrote a now infamous manual FM-3-24. Its flaws were glaring but he was able to promote himself as an "expert" and got and absolutely clueless administration to go with this flawed program. To answer I saw this manual way before his program was implemented in iraq and pointed out some flaws in it. But only an enlisted guy and the lowest rank the ate in the discussion was an 06 Colonel. Well several billions of dollars and more then a few American live later during the famous Surge in iraq my criticisms of FM-3-24 showed themselves. We are still paying for Petraeus's promoting himself to four stars with The Radical Islamic State. It was during the surge in the Anbar where the late al Baghdadi was tutored in politics and field craft from USMC General Mattis. General Petraeus knowingly passed on information he knew to be classified to a person that lacked the security clearance to receive this information. This is inexcusable and one again General Petraeus hid behind the mess called FM-3-24. No politicians want the truth to come out about this failure they were sucked into by a so called expert that was a failure in all of his commands. He should be hung, the traditional form of execution for a traitor, and General Petraeus certainly is one.
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No, but I'm biased. I worked with the man for 3 years and know more about him than I care to. The affair was wrong but he claims it did not begin until he was out of the military. There is no proof to the contrary. He was charged in federal court for the illegal disclosure of classified information to a USAR Intelligence Officer with a TS clearance (but not operational need to know and for mishandling classified information. He had to perform his attrition to make Holly comfortable to remain in their marriage and he resigned his position at the CIA.
So, we take one of America's war heroes, who made the same mistake Eisenhower and others did, and crucify him with the threat of losing a star. His personal relationship had no influence on his ability to lead or serve. It did not disrupt the 'good order and discipline' and was not known until the young lady, acting like too many women, went nuts and started to threaten and stalk others via email.
The reason for the threat is obvious. GEN P is testifying about Bengahzi and all things related to the middle east. His statements place the current administration and Hillary in a bulls eye they wish to avoid. To silence him, they are threatening a demotion because in 12 months, Obama, Hillary and Ash Carter are most likely gone. Unless, of course, Congress Impeaches Obama and Carter while the DoJ indicts Hillary. There are two sets of rules and the current set of government criminals are trying to avoid responsibility and justice while applying the same to GEN P.
So, we take one of America's war heroes, who made the same mistake Eisenhower and others did, and crucify him with the threat of losing a star. His personal relationship had no influence on his ability to lead or serve. It did not disrupt the 'good order and discipline' and was not known until the young lady, acting like too many women, went nuts and started to threaten and stalk others via email.
The reason for the threat is obvious. GEN P is testifying about Bengahzi and all things related to the middle east. His statements place the current administration and Hillary in a bulls eye they wish to avoid. To silence him, they are threatening a demotion because in 12 months, Obama, Hillary and Ash Carter are most likely gone. Unless, of course, Congress Impeaches Obama and Carter while the DoJ indicts Hillary. There are two sets of rules and the current set of government criminals are trying to avoid responsibility and justice while applying the same to GEN P.
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CPO Andy Carrillo, MS
COL (Join to see) CIA Director Petraeus also lied to the FBI to cover his actions and impede their investigation, an offense for which anyone else would be prosecuted. He was given a sweetheart plea bargain no matter how it's framed.
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CPO Andy Carrillo, MS - I agree. It still would have been tough to prosecute him. Apparently, security isn't a big importance to the current administration (border, information, financial, etc.) nor being truthful.
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SGT Ronald Audas
Way too many stories circulating around these events.The most viable one being that the charges were exagerated to make room for Hillary. `Nuff said.
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Those to whom much has been given much more will be expected of them. You would expect a four star general to be more circumspect in his personal affairs (no pun intended) Instead he acts like some low class rutting hog and used the wrong head to do his thinking.
General officers get where they are because they are politicians most of all. As a politician he should have known better than to put himself in a position to be abused.
General officers get where they are because they are politicians most of all. As a politician he should have known better than to put himself in a position to be abused.
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CPO Andy Carrillo, MS
PO2 Robert Cuminale Petraeus also disgraced the uniform of the service he represented, and all who wore it and defended him while he was being sexually serviced by a fellow officer/mistress/biographer AND lying to the FBI to cover his ass.
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SFC Dave Wynn, stinks? What really stinks is the idea that you can get away with something if your rank is high enough. GEN Pertaeus made a mistake. What is the appropriate response? How can the punishment be avoided?
What I'd like to see is some real leadership. I'd like to see GEN Petraeus stand up and say, "I made a mistake, and I should have to take my lumps for it. And by that same standard, Hillary Clinton not only shouldn't get off for making an ever worse mistake, but the American people should NOT stand for, 'What does it matter now', when asking why our ambassador was murdered."
I respect GEN Petraeus, but leadership means taking responsibility, not avoiding it. This nation needs a lesson in what that means.
What I'd like to see is some real leadership. I'd like to see GEN Petraeus stand up and say, "I made a mistake, and I should have to take my lumps for it. And by that same standard, Hillary Clinton not only shouldn't get off for making an ever worse mistake, but the American people should NOT stand for, 'What does it matter now', when asking why our ambassador was murdered."
I respect GEN Petraeus, but leadership means taking responsibility, not avoiding it. This nation needs a lesson in what that means.
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MCPO Roger Collins
SGM (Join to see) - as I have stated in two other posts, it's not double jeopardy due to two different justice systems. And I don't understand your last paragraph, any chance of becoming president was gone with his conviction.
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MCPO Roger Collins I thought the "What does it matter" would be a dead giveaway. That was Hillary's response when asked about the cause of the murder of our ambassador in Benghazi. If I was GEN Petraeus, I'd give up all 4 stars if that's what it took to save America from having Hillary Clinton as President.
I am not a lawyer, but however it is justified, raising the penalty after the trial for an act is over SOUNDS like double jeopardy to me, and sounds pure wrong. I'm not going to argue with you over whether there is some loophole that would allow it.
Again, from my point of view, there are two issues, personal responsibility and what the law states. It's been a LONG time since anyone in a leadership position in our country actually took personal responsibility for something they did. Understand I mean at the level of punishment you or I would face, not a plea bargain and an apology. If he were an E-9 instead of an O-10, I don't think a plea bargain and apology would have worked.
I am not a lawyer, but however it is justified, raising the penalty after the trial for an act is over SOUNDS like double jeopardy to me, and sounds pure wrong. I'm not going to argue with you over whether there is some loophole that would allow it.
Again, from my point of view, there are two issues, personal responsibility and what the law states. It's been a LONG time since anyone in a leadership position in our country actually took personal responsibility for something they did. Understand I mean at the level of punishment you or I would face, not a plea bargain and an apology. If he were an E-9 instead of an O-10, I don't think a plea bargain and apology would have worked.
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MCPO Roger Collins
I can guarantee that given my clearance and responsibilities would have been lost when I was AD and did the same thing. And probably after retirement. The Point was there is no double jeopardy and even though that is the case it has never been used.
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MCPO Roger Collins I think we are both saying the same thing, from different starting points.
Given that the case was settled, upping the penalty later is revenge, not justice, regardless of the legality.
And given my clearance and responsibilities, AD, Reserve, and contractor included, I expect I'd be lucky to ever see daylight again, if I had done what Hillary has done.
We have a society where anything can be excused, if you can say, "But what about so-and-so? They got off." And if Hillary is elected, "What does it matter now", will become the newest criminal defense argument.
Given that the case was settled, upping the penalty later is revenge, not justice, regardless of the legality.
And given my clearance and responsibilities, AD, Reserve, and contractor included, I expect I'd be lucky to ever see daylight again, if I had done what Hillary has done.
We have a society where anything can be excused, if you can say, "But what about so-and-so? They got off." And if Hillary is elected, "What does it matter now", will become the newest criminal defense argument.
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When does one get punished after being a civilian. Also, what does the current Sec of Defense have to do with a previously settled situation. Pure unadulterated politics and retribution by the Obama administration.
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Sad to think this general with so much honorable service in military and government could be so easily seduced into dishonesty at the personal level and betray his family, and in the national security level by giving up national secrets so easily. This utterly destroys his credibility and should result in a loss of confidence in his ability to command anything. Retiring as a LtGen isn't all that bad either.
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