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I think it stinks that after this long the Sec of Def. can reduce someone in rank. Even if he or she is a General officer. Yes I know he was convicted of mishandling of classified material. They should have reduced him back then. Maybe we as military community should let our voices be heard.
UCMJ
SECDEF
David Petraeus
Posted 9 y ago
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I disagree with @LTC Kevin B. below, but I can't comment on his comments or vote up, as he disabled them? What on earth is that about? Anyway, The SECDEF needs to do what is right, but I believe first we need to see how this Hillary thing works out... as if he is to be LTG (This is the guy who saved OIF from disaster) then Hillary should be in Prison. Again, how does @LTC Kevin B. (weird name) not allow comments or votes; I was gonna vote him up...?
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I guess I just don't equate limited tactical success for a few months in Iraq with success.
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MAJ (Join to see) - After a few months in North Africa, Patton kicked Rommel's ass out of the country!!!
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SCPO (Join to see) And that offers a great example of a general officer / general officers appropriately using an ends-ways-means construct to achieve a specific goal at the strategic level. Compare/contrast this to the application of a tactic (COIN) as a strategy and the ensuing results. Patton's efforts in North Africa in WWII contributed to the defeat of the Axis forces there, opened the way for the Italian campaign, and led (eventually, and with many other factors involved) Allied victory. Compare and contrast that with Petreaus' efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan: extremely limited tactical success (and even that is a generous assessment) that had no lasting impact.
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The Army is a place where a single lapse in judgement will get you nailed to the wall. A SPC who did what he did would still be sitting in Leavenworth. It needs to be shown that UCMJ applies to everyone, without regard for rank.
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Then I assume that Secretary Clinton will be prosecuted with the same zeal. Otherwise military members and veterans need to let their Congressman know of their displeasure of the double standard.
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If there was any evidence that Clinton disclosed classified information, I have no doubt she'll be charged and prosecuted. Also, I have no doubt that no such disclosure occurred. After 50+ investigations in a couple years, no evidence. This issue is over. Case closed.
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MCPO Roger Collins
MAJ (Join to see) - She sent a thank you note to Holder and Lynch on her private server. Absolutely no PI here.
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Sgt Richard Buckner - Your story is impressive, and likely extremely rare. You won't find a non-college graduate teaching courses at many accredited universities in the United States, except for perhaps in the military. Its extremely rare to find non-PhDs (except for those in the process of completing their Phd) teaching anywhere in higher education.
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I think this whole thing stinks to high heaven. While yes Gen Patraeus was wrong the info in his desk was his own itinerary and nothing was released that threatened national security. Yes he mishandled classified info and yes he has already paid for it. If this administration gives him an RIR yet does nothing to our "former" secretary of state, we will know this was and always was political nothing more.
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Right on SMSgt Hassiepen! That's all I was saying earlier! Whenever something is about to happen to a high profile politician, seems something else pops up to grab our attention! "The law is no better than the law makers!" This is the same as jailing a film maker for something he did totally unrelated to Benghazi...but he was used. A convenient case of Tactical Deception! Only problem is, the truth has a way of working itself out in the end. It's been said many times in earlier postings, if nothing else, this certainly seems to be a case of double jeopardy!
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As a soldier who made Spec Four twice, I have sympathy for the good General. When I add to it the great work he did for the Army and our concerted efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan, I think Carter and the current administration should leave him alone. They, being blindly ignorant to what every grunt knows, will blunder along like blind elephants in the China shop and probably do something "legal" and stupid.
I have a great love and admiration for the Army, and a deeper understanding of it than those who walked between the raindrops. Let me put it this way, Norman Mailer as said, "You never really know a woman until you meet her in court," and I'll leave it at that.
Petraeus mishandled documents, fulfilling the adage that behind every skirt there's a slip. So, as far as we know, the damage was more symbolic than tactical. His situation should have been handled by a man I worked under in '69, SMAJ John Dennison. He hit Omaha Beach on day one in a glider and walked all the way to and through Germany, gathering wisdom with each step.
These REMFs now sitting judgement of Petraeus should leave him alone, credit for time served, like that.
I hope the man runs for office.
I have a great love and admiration for the Army, and a deeper understanding of it than those who walked between the raindrops. Let me put it this way, Norman Mailer as said, "You never really know a woman until you meet her in court," and I'll leave it at that.
Petraeus mishandled documents, fulfilling the adage that behind every skirt there's a slip. So, as far as we know, the damage was more symbolic than tactical. His situation should have been handled by a man I worked under in '69, SMAJ John Dennison. He hit Omaha Beach on day one in a glider and walked all the way to and through Germany, gathering wisdom with each step.
These REMFs now sitting judgement of Petraeus should leave him alone, credit for time served, like that.
I hope the man runs for office.
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I suggest SECDEF wait for Justice Department decision on whether Hillary is charged for her flippant use of TS SCI material on her private server and blackberry. If she is prosecuted following the ongoing FBI investigation, consider his reduction. If not, recommend he be promoted to 5-Star rank.
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As I recall the mishandling took place after he had retired and was working for the CIA. If this is the case do we reduce in rank every retired veteran that get a DUI or drug bust after they've left the service?
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If the Sec of Def needs to wait this long to act, it shows his own incompetence. Why did he fail to act sooner? Maybe the Sec is the one that needs to be demoted?
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