Posted on Sep 20, 2015
Should NATO create a Free Syrian Army from the refugees?
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Should NATO recruit/train a Free Syrian Army using the refugees as the base?
Posted 9 y ago
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MCPO Roger Collins
What is the old saying, insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Where are the 90 or so we trained so far to the tune of around a million dollars per unit. Hire some competent mercenaries and save some money.
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You must really hate Syrians, MAJ (Join to see).
When it comes to unity of command, NATO at its heart remains a committee, and the best working definition of a committee can be found here (down near the bottom of the list):
http://www.angelfire.com/or/sociologyshop/lazlong.html#inter2
When it comes to unity of command, NATO at its heart remains a committee, and the best working definition of a committee can be found here (down near the bottom of the list):
http://www.angelfire.com/or/sociologyshop/lazlong.html#inter2
The following "aphorisms" come from the "Notebooks of Lazarus Long" in Robert Heinlein's 1973 novel, Time Enough for Love. These notebooks are called "Intermission" (pp. 240-251) and "Second Intermission" (pp. 346-353) and are full of pithy insights and opinions of Lazarus Long, the central character in this classic science fiction novel. Some of the aphorisms can be readily agreed with...while others might provoke disagreement. Yet, all of...
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SFC Jason Babb
I've never experienced airstrikes in my neighborhood. I suppose my ideology at that point would be- don't get blown up.
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SFC Jason Babb
The Syrian problem is much more complex than just dealing with ISIS. The US could play right in their hand and attack ISIS at Dabiq. I really believe the majority of their force would be available for that battle. They're going nuts to face the Americans there because it goes along with their theology. The US could stomp out the fighting spirit of ISIS and leave it as a barely operable spider organization. Unless God rained fire upon the infidels, which is what they expect, I've read. Jesus. What a crazy time to be in the armed forces.
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Despite US training, Iraqi military can 'barely' defend itself. I see this as a no win situation.
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SFC Jason Babb
The US disbanded the legit Iraqi military during the 03 invasion. Most of those cats disappeared into the ether only to reappear as the combatants the current Iraqi military is facing. Imagine that.
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Just support the Kurd and ISIS will be good. If Turkey don't start bombing the Kurd... lol
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Could definitely be done, but a whole lot of screening would need to take place. I tentatively support the idea.
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1LT William Clardy
I have no doubt that it could be don, LCDR (Join to see) - it would not be difficult for the French to form a 1er Régiment Arabe de la Légion Étrangère, followed by a 2e Régiment Arabe and maybe even a 3e Régiment Arabe, which could march into battle as an effective fighting force
But the alliance as a whole do it? They'd still be working out the command-rotation sequence when the black flag gets raised in Damascus.
But the alliance as a whole do it? They'd still be working out the command-rotation sequence when the black flag gets raised in Damascus.
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LCDR (Join to see)
1LT William Clardy very true. One nation doing this would be far for effective and efficient than the UN as a whole.
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1LT William Clardy
Not just any nation can do it, LCDR (Join to see). I named the French for a reason: they are the most unapologetic of the European nations about retaining control over their not-really-former colonies, and whoever wants to stand up an effective fighting force will have to provide the command element. Sending freshly trained troops in without experienced and competent commanders is sentencing the troops to pointless slaughter.
(Anybody who thinks la Belle France let go of her empire should check out all the places the Foreign Legion is posted to -- it's very illuminating, especially for those who don't remember how recently it was troops from the Légion Étrangère which pushed the Libyan Army out of northern Chad and who cut short an attempted coup in Madagascar.)
(Anybody who thinks la Belle France let go of her empire should check out all the places the Foreign Legion is posted to -- it's very illuminating, especially for those who don't remember how recently it was troops from the Légion Étrangère which pushed the Libyan Army out of northern Chad and who cut short an attempted coup in Madagascar.)
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LCDR (Join to see)
1LT William Clardy - very true and I wasn't advocating any specific nation but you're right the French are optimal.
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If they aren't willing to fight for themselves, why should anyone else fight for them?
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SFC Jason Babb
People are so, so off-base about this. It's not a singular ground force coming in, going house to house and subjugating these people. If it's not a coalition airstrike, an Assad airstrike or some ISIS rockets, mortars or SAF... how do you fight all that? I guess the noble thing to do would be to step out as the aircraft screech overhead and fire your AK at it. Theyve been fighting a civil was for a long time. It's a different map now.
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SFC Jason Babb
Doesnt matter if you're a good guy, bad guy, just a working guy.... and it doesn't matter what plane drops the bomb. That's what people are running from.
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Once you have an army or group of people on the run, it is infinitely difficult to turn them around.
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I think it will be difficult to create an army when all eyes are on that contract and it is weapons free.
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