Should Military (Active Duty, Reservist & Guard) be allowed to "sit", in support of personal beliefs, during the National Anthem?

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 04 Sep 2016 15:08:54 -0400

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/09/politics/navy-sailor-sits-national-anthem/index.html

I know many even wondered why I asked this question. I knew it was going to be a matter of time. I hope justice is served to this Sailor.

Here is another protest during the reciting of the Pledge of Allegiance. By a State Senator, no less.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/16/missouri-state-senator-sits-during-pledge-allegiance.html

Navy sailor sits for anthem in solidarity with Kaepernick

A US Navy sailor who posted a video of herself sitting in protest during the national anthem at a Florida military base could face punishment after her post went viral this week.

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Sep 4 at 2016 3:13 PM

CPT Jack Durish — Sun, 04 Sep 2016 15:13:16 -0400

You forgot to include "Hell no"

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 4 at 2016 3:17 PM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 04 Sep 2016 15:17:51 -0400

Only if their legs are broken as well as their crutches.

Response by SFC Pete Kain made Sep 4 at 2016 3:24 PM

SFC Pete Kain — Sun, 04 Sep 2016 15:24:07 -0400

What part of the Oath eludes you?

Response by Sgt Christopher Wenzel made Sep 4 at 2016 3:36 PM

Sgt Christopher Wenzel — Sun, 04 Sep 2016 15:36:57 -0400

I am all for exercising your right to stand or sit out of uniform, but you are the face of the Nation while in uniform.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Sep 4 at 2016 4:15 PM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Sun, 04 Sep 2016 16:15:13 -0400

Is this a serious question! NO!!!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 4 at 2016 5:32 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 04 Sep 2016 17:32:20 -0400

Yes and Commanders should give them extra duty to show them there support.

Response by SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 4 at 2016 5:53 PM

SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 04 Sep 2016 17:53:58 -0400

I would say no, you represent a neutral response to anything going on in the US. Your job is to protect the constitution from enemies foreign and domestic. Once you get that DD-214, you can do as you please.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 4 at 2016 6:28 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 04 Sep 2016 18:28:24 -0400

If you are not in uniform, yes. However, I believe it is required by military regulation to do so in uniform. AR 600-20 or 600-25 if I recall correctly

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Sep 4 at 2016 8:18 PM

PO1 William "Chip" Nagel — Sun, 04 Sep 2016 20:18:16 -0400

Nope since we fight in support of others right to do it. We have a different set of rules.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 4 at 2016 8:19 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 04 Sep 2016 20:19:54 -0400

No, and they shouldn't be making a "mad dash" to their cars either...

Response by SFC George Smith made Sep 4 at 2016 9:00 PM

SFC George Smith — Sun, 04 Sep 2016 21:00:12 -0400

they have a sworn Duty to support and defend... nit turn their backs...

Response by SSgt Dan Montague made Sep 4 at 2016 9:45 PM

SSgt Dan Montague — Sun, 04 Sep 2016 21:45:51 -0400

NO!! I'm retired and still stand for it. Same as when a flag in a parade passes, you stand.

Response by CPL Anthony Slaughter made Sep 4 at 2016 9:50 PM

CPL Anthony Slaughter — Sun, 04 Sep 2016 21:50:13 -0400

Only if you ain't got no legs, Lieutenant Dan.

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Sep 4 at 2016 11:08 PM

Capt Seid Waddell — Sun, 04 Sep 2016 23:08:22 -0400

Absolutely not.

Response by SSgt David Tedrow made Sep 5 at 2016 1:53 AM

SSgt David Tedrow — Mon, 05 Sep 2016 01:53:18 -0400

You should not be wearing the uniform and serving if your belief system goes against the United States and it's customs and courtesies. Everyone takes an oath:
ENLISTED
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
OFFICER
"I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance tot he same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God."

The key phrase here is "that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same".

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 5 at 2016 3:09 AM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 05 Sep 2016 03:09:56 -0400

No. I hope no one in the military is taking this stance or thing about it.

Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made Sep 5 at 2016 6:17 AM

SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth — Mon, 05 Sep 2016 06:17:52 -0400

Not on their life.

Response by CPT Tom Monahan made Sep 5 at 2016 6:55 AM

CPT Tom Monahan — Mon, 05 Sep 2016 06:55:21 -0400

Hell no! We took an oath.

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Sep 5 at 2016 7:46 AM

Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS — Mon, 05 Sep 2016 07:46:09 -0400

While serving, it's a regulatory issue.

When out, it's a Freedom of Expression issue. Though I may disagree with those who choose not to stand that is their Right, and I'll fight for them not to. It's not Freedom if you don't have the choice to ALSO not do it.

But Freedom of Choice is NOT Freedom from Consequence. Others can view their choice how they like, and make decisions accordingly.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 5 at 2016 8:13 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 05 Sep 2016 08:13:43 -0400

If they are currently serving in any capacity then no. If they are out of the service then they may; while I don't agree with their contempt, they have at least earned the right to show their ass.

Response by SSG Karl Fowler made Sep 5 at 2016 9:18 AM

SSG Karl Fowler — Mon, 05 Sep 2016 09:18:32 -0400

NO! if someone did that around me I would more than likely wined up in jail because of my mouth or my actions or both

Response by ENS Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 5 at 2016 6:49 PM

ENS Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 05 Sep 2016 18:49:17 -0400

Not only no, but fuck no. You're required to render honors to doing Colors and to the American Flag. This is not up for debate. If you think this country is racist, or evil, you should be serving.. 100% no. In fact, anyone who does such should be dishonorably discharged (in my opinion). You're supposed to be a patriot above all else. If you have a problem with this country, feel free to go AWOL and leave.

Response by PO1 Tracy Dreyer made Sep 6 at 2016 6:08 AM

PO1 Tracy Dreyer — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 06:08:22 -0400

That this is even a question pisses me off!!!!!

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 6 at 2016 8:03 AM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 08:03:57 -0400

No, you're representing the military

Response by SN Timothy Ehrenhaft made Sep 6 at 2016 8:16 AM

SN Timothy Ehrenhaft — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 08:16:40 -0400

That question was unthinkable for my generation.. says a lot about the current generation and why we weep for the future..

Response by PVT John Williams made Sep 6 at 2016 8:35 AM

PVT John Williams — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 08:35:28 -0400

If you're in uniform your ass better stand up. If you're in civilian clothes , it's your call. But be prepared.

Response by SrA Ashley Mears made Sep 6 at 2016 8:35 AM

SrA Ashley Mears — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 08:35:42 -0400

The 2% who voted yes are in the wrong spot. Uniformed service members who refuse to honor the flag or anthem should be dishonorably dischared.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 6 at 2016 9:14 AM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 09:14:13 -0400

What most people forget is because you have the right to do something, doesn't mean you should. The great thing about our country and way of life is we have choices. Now if someone chooses to exercise their right in poor taste it shows us that these people are miss informed and sends a bad message. I was taught to stand during the National Anthem before I joined the Army. No country is perfect, so sitting during the National Anthem is not going to make everything all better. If someone is truly committed to fixing the issue, do something about it. Anyone can sit, to many people choose to sit and do nothing. There will always be issues with our country to "SIT" for. But the reason we stand is for all the good things our country has done and what it means to be an American. We stand for all who have died that have given these people right to choose to sit. I hope these few are sitting because they are simply misinformed, if this is not the case, then maybe they should look for somewhere else to live.

I am not going to answer the poll because the right answer obvious to all who understand National Pride and what it means to be an American.

SGM Smith

Response by SSG Drew Cook made Sep 6 at 2016 9:42 AM

SSG Drew Cook — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 09:42:01 -0400

There is a difference between a free, law-abiding citizen and a servicemember.

Response by CPL Aloysius Grimaudo made Sep 6 at 2016 9:45 AM

CPL Aloysius Grimaudo — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 09:45:19 -0400

No..and if they did ..field grade

Response by SFC Mike Lewis made Sep 6 at 2016 10:22 AM

SFC Mike Lewis — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 10:22:16 -0400

Absolutely not. When one the oath of their free will they willingly give certain freedoms and come under regulations and the UCMJ. If you don't like it, ETS and do what you want like any other citizen.

Response by COL Dave Sims made Sep 6 at 2016 10:27 AM

COL Dave Sims — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 10:27:44 -0400

It is indicative of where our country is that this question even gets asked. Somewhere in the UCMJ there has to be a suitable remedy for any military person who would be so screwed up not to stand when our National Anthem is played. Civilians have that luxury - we do not. We know what the flag stands for ...the blood and tears that have been shed by less than 1/2 of one percent of the population who serve. I don't know if I'm angry or sad. Perhaps a bit of both.

Response by MSG Ed Dammer made Sep 6 at 2016 10:30 AM

MSG Ed Dammer — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 10:30:43 -0400

Absolutely not! You've joined the military voluntarily and loyalty to our country is paramount in the armed services. I've got to give a big "HELL NO!!!" to the idea of any service person (active, reserve or retired!) sitting during the National Anthem.

Response by MSgt Victor Moss made Sep 6 at 2016 10:34 AM

MSgt Victor Moss — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 10:34:24 -0400

USC Title 36 §171. Conduct during playing

"During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. Men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should render the military salute at the first note of the anthem and retain this position until the last note. When the flag is not displayed, those present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed there."

We are sworn to uphold the Constitution and obey the orders of the CinC. Following federal law is part of that requirement. More importantly, the notion of disrespecting the flag is to disrespect the very idea that the flag stands for, that being that each one of us has certain inalienable rights that are worth fighting for.

Dr. King and the other civil rights leaders of his time understood that; too bad the rabble-rousers of today do not.

Response by MSgt John McGowan made Sep 6 at 2016 10:43 AM

MSgt John McGowan — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 10:43:14 -0400

MSgt. Active duty, retired or what ever should stand. They gave up that right when they signed on.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 6 at 2016 10:52 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 10:52:27 -0400

O hell no!!! I will pull a boot up their ass!!!

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 6 at 2016 10:53 AM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 10:53:47 -0400

We took an oath but more importantly we should be appreciating out nation more than civilians. We live in a world where we have to have more respect. While in my opinion service members are allowed to have their opinion, they are not allowed to present it as a member of the Armed Services. Just as we are not allowed to attend political rallies in uniform, in or out of it we should stand. Just because you believe something is wrong doesn't mean you can't show respect for the many things that were and are right

Response by MAJ Byron Oyler made Sep 6 at 2016 10:56 AM

MAJ Byron Oyler — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 10:56:20 -0400

Not while in uniform as in uniform you represent more than just you.

Response by SGT Jody Beach made Sep 6 at 2016 10:57 AM

SGT Jody Beach — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 10:57:18 -0400

THIS SHOULD NOT EVEN BE A QUESTION!!!!! We have had countless people die for our Flag and this Nation. It is time we start remembering that. You dont like our Flag or our National Anthem then go back to where ever you came from. If your originating country believes are so damn great then go back.

Response by 1stSgt Nelson Kerr made Sep 6 at 2016 11:08 AM

1stSgt Nelson Kerr — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 11:08:21 -0400

For activ we duty folks the question is difficult . For reserves and guardsmen the answer is simple when you are not on duty or in uniform you a re legally a civilian so you do have that right.

Response by SrA Michael Dorwaldt made Sep 6 at 2016 11:22 AM

SrA Michael Dorwaldt — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 11:22:06 -0400

Under no circumstance should any citizen, especially military or gov employee be allowed to remain seated during national anthem. If for no other reason than to respect our fallen and our forefathers and the meaning of our society, even if we as a people and country have made mistakes, it is outstanding here, and if you don't think so, it is your right to move elsewhere that holds with your believe, and not try to force it on us.

Response by SFC John Hill made Sep 6 at 2016 11:24 AM

SFC John Hill — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 11:24:31 -0400

NO, first off one volunteered to be in the Military, therefore you are obligated to its values. Don’t like them, then ETS and get out! Courtesies to the national flag and the national anthem of the United States, are not an option, by regulation, it is a requirement. (AR AR 600–25 Salutes, Honors, and Visits of Courtesy)

Response by Charles Graul made Sep 6 at 2016 11:25 AM

Charles Graul — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 11:25:16 -0400

I'm Sorry - Is this question punking us all??

Response by SSG John Karr made Sep 6 at 2016 11:29 AM

SSG John Karr — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 11:29:03 -0400

Hell no! When you put on that uniform you subscribed to higher standards as well as the UCMJ.

Response by SSgt Boyd Welch made Sep 6 at 2016 11:47 AM

SSgt Boyd Welch — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 11:47:51 -0400

Don't put the uniform on if you want to disrespect your country, flag or principles of the military and the nation. If you ARE already a member of the uniformed services and want to exhibit such egregious behavior then by all means open a "Kick My Ass" booth at the local county fair because there are thousands of veterans who've served in hell-holes around the world that will line up for tickets. (okay. old guy rant is complete)

Response by MSgt John Carter made Sep 6 at 2016 12:30 PM

MSgt John Carter — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 12:30:00 -0400

No.

Customs and Courtesies is a group of rules and requirements for appropriate behavior. You can consider it to be a "Thou Shalt" not a "Gee, if you feel like it". As one of my prior supervisors used to say, "We're here to protect democracy, not practice it."

Standing for the National Anthem and for the Flag is a sign of respect for those who came before us. We don't stand to honor a pretty piece of colored cloth; we stand to acknowledge the sacrifices made by others. We stand for the Flag to honor those who came home under it.

If you have an individual who refuses to stand, they are refusing to pay the appropriate respect for that symbol and by direct connotation, they are refusing to show respect for those who've sacrificed the most. If they can't--or won't--show that respect, I submit they're in the wrong business. They need to go elsewhere.

Response by PO1 Jason Venema made Sep 6 at 2016 1:04 PM

PO1 Jason Venema — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 13:04:55 -0400

Absolutely not. A little off topic but I'm still disappointed that the Army allowed that officer to wear a turbin for his religious beliefs. If you're in the service, you wear whatever everyone else is required to. I'm not allowed to display a necklace with a cross while in uniform.

Response by MSgt Tim Parkhurst made Sep 6 at 2016 1:45 PM

MSgt Tim Parkhurst — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 13:45:50 -0400

In response to the original question, the UCMJ applies to all Servicemembers whether in uniform or not, regardless of component or status. If you're under contract, it applies. Period. With that in mind, click here to see what current U.S. law states: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/301

The bottom line is, it says everyone should stand and render proper respect. Since this is enshrined in federal law, it is certainly enforceable by the General Article of the UCMJ, Article 134, even though the U.S. Code offers no penalty for enforcement. Obviously, it depends on whether you get caught, and whether the person who catches you doing it has the fortitude to charge you. But, make no mistake, there's no reason why any Serviceman couldn't be convicted under Article 134, resulting in all manner of punishment, including reduction in rank.

36 U.S. Code § 301 - National anthem

June 22, 1942, ch. 435, §6, 56 Stat. 380; Dec. 22, 1942, ch. 806, §6, 56 Stat. 1077; July 7, 1976, Pub. L. 94–344, §1(18), 90 Stat. 812.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 6 at 2016 1:56 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 13:56:20 -0400

It's different when you take an oath to support and defend, bear true faith and allegiance.

Response by CPO Jack De Merit made Sep 6 at 2016 2:21 PM

CPO Jack De Merit — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 14:21:29 -0400

While it is your constitutional right, it is not the place to exercise it unless you do not respect your country or you are a football player who just wants his picture in the newspaper or on TV. Your personal beliefs are just that, PERSONAL. If you cannot resolve them, then you learn to live with them. My personal belief is that ALL MEN AND WOMEN ARE CREATED EQUAL. We are all brothers and sisters. Apart from what I did in Vietnam because it was necessary, I believe that and treat everyone as I treat my relatives.

Response by Erica Carhuff made Sep 6 at 2016 2:38 PM

Erica Carhuff — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 14:38:17 -0400

While I feel that our members of the armed forces should stay neutral in all political matters while active duty, that does not change the law. DoD Directive 1325.6 states that they are allowed to peaceful protest and demonstrations as long as they are off duty, off base, and out of uniform. Attending any demonstration that becomes violent could result in a court-martial. For the sake of their families and their careers, I think they should just wait to pick their battles until they are no longer active.

Response by SPC Robert Stewart made Sep 6 at 2016 2:40 PM

SPC Robert Stewart — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 14:40:13 -0400

not only no but hell no

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 6 at 2016 2:47 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 14:47:50 -0400

For the record, I agree with the 95%, but believe that our forefathers showed amazing foresight when writing the Constitution. Our freedom of speech is priceless and embodies the very essence of the word "Freedom". Having said that, I will not support (but respect their rights) of those who choose to use our military traditions and ceremonies as venues for espousing their personal beliefs, however, I'll remember their actions when it comes to consumer decisions that ultimately support their ability to be influential members of society.

Response by Maj Marty Hogan made Sep 6 at 2016 3:51 PM

Maj Marty Hogan — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 15:51:30 -0400

I can't believe we are entertaining this question.

Response by MSgt Ronnie Kelly made Sep 6 at 2016 4:48 PM

MSgt Ronnie Kelly — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 16:48:23 -0400

As the old saying goes " Not In This Man's Army" or Navy, Air Force, Marines or Coast Guard.

Response by SFC Dennis Yancy made Sep 6 at 2016 5:05 PM

SFC Dennis Yancy — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 17:05:00 -0400

Never in uniform.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 6 at 2016 5:22 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 17:22:12 -0400

I'm going to focus on these key words: "should they be allowed?"

Should they be allowed? Yes. As servicemembers, I believe we should be the first in line to enjoy all the freedoms the Constitution offers.

Does that make it right? Absolutely not.

Response by SSG Aaron Gough made Sep 6 at 2016 5:23 PM

SSG Aaron Gough — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 17:23:19 -0400

We all served to uphold the constitution. That being said if you do serve just remember, you signed a contract, you were not forced to join the military.

Response by SFC Steve Weigl made Sep 6 at 2016 6:38 PM

SFC Steve Weigl — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 18:38:25 -0400

As long as you have a Military ID, Hell no.

The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble, or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.

The first amendment is to protect the citizens from the GOVERNMENT making a law against protest, saying or doing or writing stupid stuff or practicing your religion. It does not make you free from repercussions from others that disagree with you.

Response by TSgt Kenneth Ellis made Sep 6 at 2016 7:08 PM

TSgt Kenneth Ellis — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 19:08:08 -0400

You mean in Uniform? No.

Response by PO1 Donald Vinson made Sep 6 at 2016 7:18 PM

PO1 Donald Vinson — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 19:18:10 -0400

I would not only say no, but btter yet, "Hell No" you took an oath to serve and you better not disrespect our Country, wear the uniform with pride! If you want to do shit like that, get out of the military and then do as you see fit.

Response by SPC Byron Skinner made Sep 6 at 2016 7:38 PM

SPC Byron Skinner — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 19:38:02 -0400

Sp4 Byron Skinner…Actually a rather difficult question. If you are in Uniform the Handbook for soldiers (I assume the other services have these types of manuals) give the answers…Out of uniform you rights in this area are the same as any American Citizen…The only time you are asked to stand is she taking the pledge of allegiance to The United States of America and the custom of hand over the hear has developed but is optional…It must be noted that the current issue involved the playing of music and the answer were is clearly no you don't have to stand. In uniform standing in a formation the protocol for the playing of patriotic music is usually at ease hand behind the back, or as usual what ever the unit commander specifies.

Response by CPT Chris Newport made Sep 6 at 2016 8:17 PM

CPT Chris Newport — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 20:17:03 -0400

It seems that our military has not been taught their obligations to the Constitution. and to their Uniform and Oaths. Convenient for the current administration.

Response by TSgt Joe C. made Sep 6 at 2016 9:16 PM

TSgt Joe C. — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 21:16:58 -0400

Absolutely not!

Response by CW4 Leonard White made Sep 6 at 2016 9:37 PM

CW4 Leonard White — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 21:37:10 -0400

Hell no! This question makes me see RED! You are a service member who swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution, not some damn civilian. If you can't show respect for the flag you need to get the hell of the military as fast as possible. Remember, you "give up" certain rights when you are a military service member.

Response by SSG Mark Franzen made Sep 6 at 2016 10:54 PM

SSG Mark Franzen — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 22:54:27 -0400

I think if your in the Military under AR 600-25 Every person should show respect to there Country and the Flag and what it stands for.They need to put into law regardless of military to NFL or who ever else and make them more Accountable.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 6 at 2016 11:52 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 23:52:46 -0400

Nowhere in the constitution does say I have to render courtesy to the national anthem. However as a member your obligated by policy to do so. Beside wtf are you even in the military if you won't honor your national anthem. It just makes you look like an ass with no respect. And if I see you protest it in uniform, once you get done picking your teeth up off the floor. You'll wish you would have taken a couple of mins to render respect to ole Liberty and her fight song

Response by LtCol Mac McCarty made Sep 7 at 2016 12:00 AM

LtCol Mac McCarty — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 00:00:03 -0400

This is a joke, right Master Sergeant? Please say this is a joke.

Response by PO1 Kevin Dougherty made Sep 7 at 2016 12:38 AM

PO1 Kevin Dougherty — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 00:38:50 -0400

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

Pretty much says it all right there ... Hell NO!

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 7 at 2016 2:44 AM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 02:44:01 -0400

We need to get rid of the 4 percent who stated it is your constitutional right! Stay out of the military if this bothers your rights!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 7 at 2016 3:13 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 03:13:16 -0400

While in uniform you represent the United States and the men and women you serve with. Political statements and actions are best when you are in you civilians and only represent yourself. In other words no.

Response by Lazaro Alcazar made Sep 7 at 2016 3:41 AM

Lazaro Alcazar — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 03:41:42 -0400

Unless you want to save your career, at that moment you better follow instruction or goodbye uniform...

Response by A1C Lisa Casserly made Sep 7 at 2016 4:01 AM

A1C Lisa Casserly — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 04:01:55 -0400

Ummm, NO. You signed up and took an oath. You wear the uniform, and are subject to certain expected patterns of behavior, and the UCMJ, and all that jazz.

Response by SSG Dale London made Sep 7 at 2016 4:36 AM

SSG Dale London — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 04:36:13 -0400

Bearing in mind the fact that everyone is touting this activity as an exercise in free speech, You need to understand that, when you joined the military you swore an oath wherein you agreed to the suspension of some of your rights. This is where you agree to abide by the UCMJ. There are a number of articles in the UCMJ that make it clear you have NO right to free speech while you are in uniform. If you doubt me, just try exercising int with the CSM or CO and see what happens.

Response by MSG David King made Sep 7 at 2016 4:38 AM

MSG David King — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 04:38:37 -0400

It warms my heart to see so many with the right answer. It is not only our duty to stand and render respect to the flag, it is our honor whether or not we are in uniform. We live by codes written and unwritten and we all know what the right thing to do is. If anyone is disrespectful they deserve to be ostracized.

Response by Deborah Ballinger made Sep 7 at 2016 5:28 AM

Deborah Ballinger — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 05:28:22 -0400

But when you put on that uniform its your dutie to stand up for that flag your fellow military and what that flage and anthem stands for

Response by CPL Jeff Bissonnette made Sep 7 at 2016 7:19 AM

CPL Jeff Bissonnette — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 07:19:11 -0400

If you want to be an individual then you should have stayed a civilian. This is a volunteer military, no one made you enlist, you signed your name and swore an oath. Your opinion is worth zero. Suck it up or get out.

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 7 at 2016 7:29 AM

SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 07:29:02 -0400

Why is this even a question...

Response by CSM Felipe Mendez made Sep 7 at 2016 7:43 AM

CSM Felipe Mendez — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 07:43:12 -0400

Hell no

Response by AN Jan Strom made Sep 7 at 2016 8:10 AM

AN Jan Strom — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 08:10:23 -0400

If you are so inclined you shouldn't be wearing the uniform and you are a disgrace to the military

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 7 at 2016 9:25 AM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 09:25:14 -0400

Many Rights are restricted as soon as we put on the uniform.

Response by 1SG Jimmy Bacon made Sep 7 at 2016 9:42 AM

1SG Jimmy Bacon — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 09:42:29 -0400

The answer is no. We have been standing, saluting and placing our hand over our heart or just standing in the direction of the flag/music for over 300 years. What's changed in the aspect of respect?

Response by SGT Jody Beach made Sep 7 at 2016 9:47 AM

SGT Jody Beach — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 09:47:13 -0400

This is why you should show respect to our nation.....

Response by SSG Wally Lawver made Sep 7 at 2016 9:59 AM

SSG Wally Lawver — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 09:59:14 -0400

of course not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 7 at 2016 10:01 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 10:01:14 -0400

It would help commanders identify those that need to processed out of the military

Response by SMSgt Keith Klug made Sep 7 at 2016 10:15 AM

SMSgt Keith Klug — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 10:15:43 -0400

If you are in the Air Force AFi 34-1201/Protocol, Chapter 2, Paragraph 2.17 specifically states what active duty members in and out of uniform are required to do.

Response by MAJ Glenn Lasater made Sep 7 at 2016 10:52 AM

MAJ Glenn Lasater — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 10:52:56 -0400

I can't believe that this question is posted to this site. I know that I'm an old soldier, probably older than most of you, but the ignorance this question implies is overwhelming and disheartening. Even if the US Code (law) didn't stipulate the protocol for rendering honors during the National Anthem, custom and traditions of the service do.

I understand that it's not politically correct to say or do anything that may be upsetting to our precious little snowflakes today but we're talking about the military here. If you need a "safe place" or feel moved to display your disrespect of what the anthem stands for and dishonor all those that have gone before; turn in your uniform and get the Hell out!

I've watched over the last 30 years as our military has been used as a social experiment by politicians and their special interest employers. I've watched as the warrior ethic was reduced to sound bites and poems. Have they gone so far that they've destroyed the very foundation of military service? Is love of country and honor and respect for our traditions and institutions no longer the beating heart of the military ethic? God help us.

As a point of fact, members of the military do not have the same Constitutional rights as civilians. The Constitution gives Congress the power to raise a military and once you've taken that sacred oath, your rights are according to the UCMJ.

Response by PO3 Andrew Kelly made Sep 7 at 2016 11:00 AM

PO3 Andrew Kelly — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 11:00:41 -0400

While we do place some of our 1st amendment rights on hold during our enlistment they are not taken away. By swearing our oaths we voluntarily accept these limits, I remember discussing this topic in length during boot camp as it came up during one of the times the CC had set aside for Q&A. The only person who did not seam to accept this answer was eventually the one who went over the wall.
I look back and I find that my time of service galvanized my belief in the social contract we call the Constitution and in our country. We serve to protect that contract and as such the right of idiots to say and do things we do not agree with.
Back to the original question, No, if you wear the uniform you accept the requirements that come with it and render honors as required.
I remember being stationed in the Pensacola area and attending movies. It was still a regular thing for theaters to play the national anthem as part of the coming attractions line up. You could tell the military members as they were the ones at attention as apposed to covering their hearts or simply sitting.

Response by Lazaro Alcazar made Sep 7 at 2016 11:38 AM

Lazaro Alcazar — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 11:38:09 -0400

A man in the uniform of the United States of America is at no circumstances to sit when the National Anthem is being heard. If you do your carrier as a soldier should be terminated immediately.

Response by SPC John Decker made Sep 7 at 2016 11:42 AM

SPC John Decker — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 11:42:00 -0400

Absolutely not. There is no draft. We all made a choice to serve our country. If you don't agree with the concept behind the flag or the anthem, you should not have volunteered. Suck it up, serve out your term and get out. I was told, in basic training, way back in '81 that the constitution does not apply while you wear the uniform. We were/are all subject to the UCMJ.

Response by CPO Randy Francis made Sep 7 at 2016 11:42 AM

CPO Randy Francis — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 11:42:46 -0400

As a member of the military your job is to preserve democracy not practice it.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 7 at 2016 11:52 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 11:52:28 -0400

I can't believe 4℅ said yes. You are the ones who need to ETS and leave the services to those who give a damn.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 7 at 2016 12:00 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 12:00:24 -0400

The cognitive dissonance is strong in this one.

Response by GySgt Kenneth Pepper made Sep 7 at 2016 12:16 PM

GySgt Kenneth Pepper — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 12:16:40 -0400

Yes, but they should be willing to accept the outcome. If their beliefs are strong enough to abandon their oath they are in the wrong line of work. Hopefully the result would be immediate discharge and loss of any veteran's benefits.

Response by CW3 Matt Hutchason made Sep 7 at 2016 12:27 PM

CW3 Matt Hutchason — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 12:27:13 -0400

If someone in the military did that, I'm figuring that the other members of the unit would correct that shit pretty quickly.

Response by LCpl Sean McMahon made Sep 7 at 2016 12:31 PM

LCpl Sean McMahon — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 12:31:17 -0400

Not while on active duty hell no

Response by LCpl Sean McMahon made Sep 7 at 2016 12:31 PM

LCpl Sean McMahon — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 12:31:39 -0400

Not while on active duty hell no

Response by SPC Lynn Dugan made Sep 7 at 2016 12:39 PM

SPC Lynn Dugan — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 12:39:09 -0400

You give up some of your "rights", if you will, when you raise your right hand.... I wonder what is wrong with people these days? I could NEVER just sit and disrespect the flag/National Anthem..

Response by COL William Oseles made Sep 7 at 2016 12:58 PM

COL William Oseles — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 12:58:04 -0400

As a service member if you want to sit out the National Anthem you are saying you can no long live up to your oath of enlistment or office and should be discharged as unfit.

Response by SSG Brian Kresge made Sep 7 at 2016 1:33 PM

SSG Brian Kresge — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 13:33:22 -0400

Good G-d, no. I can't think of a single religious system that precludes honoring one's country, at least one that does not preclude serving at all.

With that, it's my personal belief that if a service member's personal belief holds they must sit during the national anthem, I must do them a significant amount of harm. It's my personal belief, after all. I'll wait until the end of the anthem so they have a head start.

Response by SPC Ed Jones made Sep 7 at 2016 1:34 PM

SPC Ed Jones — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 13:34:43 -0400

Not only no but HELL NO!!

Response by 1LT Aaron Barr made Sep 7 at 2016 1:40 PM

1LT Aaron Barr — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 13:40:48 -0400

Sure they can, provided they don't mind being Article 15'ed under the general article....

Response by SrA Edward Vong made Sep 7 at 2016 1:59 PM

SrA Edward Vong — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 13:59:29 -0400

I believe we still have standards and regulations that we must adhere to regardless of personal beliefs.

Response by John Huttman made Sep 7 at 2016 2:24 PM

John Huttman — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 14:24:37 -0400

I believe any active duty reserve or guard members have taken an oath to to defend and support The Constitution. Standing during our national anthem is part of that

Response by SFC David Brunk made Sep 7 at 2016 2:25 PM

SFC David Brunk — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 14:25:37 -0400

The last time I checked, each military member took an oath. There was NO clothing requirement in that oath. IN or OUT of uniform you are still bound by that oath. If you want to sit during the National Anthem then you should sit your ass out of the military. Though, as military members, you do not enjoy all those freedoms, you swore to 'SUPPORT and DEFEND' those freedoms.

Response by SrA Chris "Shadow" McGee made Sep 7 at 2016 3:04 PM

SrA Chris "Shadow" McGee — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 15:04:44 -0400

Unless regs have changed, you WILL come to attention and pay respect to the flag. It is in the job description.......

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 7 at 2016 3:16 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 15:16:52 -0400

Kinda like when people run inside right before "retreat" at the end of the day:(

Response by SSgt Terry Snyder made Sep 7 at 2016 3:24 PM

SSgt Terry Snyder — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 15:24:46 -0400

YOU WILL ALWAYS SHOW YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS COUNTRY REGARDLESS OF UNIFORM OR NOT. WE HAVE FOUGHT AND DIED FOR THAT..SHOW THE RESPECT FOR THOSE WHO HAVE GIVEN FOR THAT RIGHT....

Response by SGM Bill Johnson made Sep 7 at 2016 3:59 PM

SGM Bill Johnson — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 15:59:18 -0400

No, of course not. When you take the Oath of Enlistment, or the officers' equivalent, you subscribe to the Army Values. Your personal beliefs no longer matter. When you join an organization of your own free will, you must adopt that organization's ethical code. That does not impact your own morality, that is your own personal sense of right and wrong while ethics is the organizational norms.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 7 at 2016 4:00 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 16:00:50 -0400

Lmao is this a fucking joke read the order

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 7 at 2016 4:05 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 16:05:16 -0400

Customs and courtesies who are you ppl in the military these days smh

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 7 at 2016 5:10 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 17:10:29 -0400

Personally, I have listened to and researched the constitution and the National Anthem. I needed to know who they were written for and as a black man and blue collar citizen, I understand that the constitution was not written, with my best interest at heart nor was the National Anthem written in such a manner that it supported the freedom, civil liberty or anything that the country stands for. Listen to the words of the entire song, not just what we normally sing, and ask yourself if you believe it is something that you can support, oppression!
Also, do your research on the original drafting, revising and selection of just the right person to write the constitution. You will find that for the average or poor American, the constitution was not written but it was designed to give you the ideal and feel of Democracy but at the same time keep the working man working to keep the rich getting richer.
Soldiers know better than to not stand but how many know the real truth now and how many really want to stand for a song that was not to support their cause (freedom, equality and liberty and justice for all)

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 7 at 2016 5:31 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 17:31:59 -0400

When in uniform you are not representing yourself but the organization you belong too.

Response by 1SG Al Brown made Sep 7 at 2016 6:36 PM

1SG Al Brown — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 18:36:04 -0400

Allowed?,no. Can they?, yes. Should they?, no. Will there be a price paid for the behavior?, There better be if you desire good order and discipline.

Response by COL Jon Thompson made Sep 7 at 2016 6:36 PM

COL Jon Thompson — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 18:36:50 -0400

If they are in uniform, they represent the military and the Nation. They absolutely had better stand and salute.

Response by CPO Michael Butler made Sep 7 at 2016 7:24 PM

CPO Michael Butler — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 19:24:48 -0400

You are allowed to do anything you want as long as you are willing to pay the consequences of your actions, like getting the shit kicked out of you by your fellow service members.

Response by TSgt Marco McDowell made Sep 7 at 2016 8:01 PM

TSgt Marco McDowell — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 20:01:10 -0400

Is this a personal question or did someone actually bring this up in a official meeting? Shouldn't even be asked.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 7 at 2016 11:50 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 07 Sep 2016 23:50:06 -0400

Please how many people make a mad dash to their cars or wait that extra 10 minutes before they leave the building we've all seen and probably all done at least once in our career.

Response by SGT Jason Keefer made Sep 8 at 2016 10:21 AM

SGT Jason Keefer — Thu, 08 Sep 2016 10:21:48 -0400

How long do you want tomorrow's PT run to be private "I have rights"?

Response by PO2 Lemual Martin made Sep 8 at 2016 1:07 PM

PO2 Lemual Martin — Thu, 08 Sep 2016 13:07:05 -0400

I still salute the ensign in plain clothes.

Response by PV2 David Minnicks made Sep 8 at 2016 3:12 PM

PV2 David Minnicks — Thu, 08 Sep 2016 15:12:32 -0400

Whether you are in uniform or out of uniform a veteran, active duty service member or civilian the only thing that matters is if you are a US Citizen and if you are then don't break the law especially to advance your cause. I guess nobody remembers that the United States Code establishes what is to occur while our nations anthem is played. So why are we not doing our duty in having the team owners, the media and our politicians have these activists stop breaking the law to advance some cause? For anyone not familiar with The United States Code it is a consolidation and codification by subject matter of the general and permanent laws of the United States. It is prepared by the Office of the Law Revision Counsel of the United States House of Representatives and you can see for yourself by going to U.S. Code Title 36 Subtitle I Part A Chapter 3 § 301:
36 U.S. Code § 301 - National anthem
(a)Designation.—
The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
(b)Conduct During Playing.—During a rendition of the national anthem—
(1) when the flag is displayed—
(A) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;
(B) members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and
(C) all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and
(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.

Response by SPC John Lebiecki made Sep 8 at 2016 5:10 PM

SPC John Lebiecki — Thu, 08 Sep 2016 17:10:11 -0400

You swore an oath to your country, you are a defender and you stand united. Either you stand by the traditions of military service or get the hell out.

Response by TSgt Kenneth Ellis made Sep 8 at 2016 6:45 PM

TSgt Kenneth Ellis — Thu, 08 Sep 2016 18:45:07 -0400

No.

Response by PO1 Jack Howell made Sep 8 at 2016 7:34 PM

PO1 Jack Howell — Thu, 08 Sep 2016 19:34:37 -0400

According to Title 36 U.S. Code, Chapter 10, Paragraph 171, "During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. Men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should render the military salute at the first note of the anthem and retain this position until the last note. When the flag is not displayed, those present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed there.". In the military, our job is to protect democracy, not practice it.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 8 at 2016 7:53 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 08 Sep 2016 19:53:22 -0400

That's an activity best left to those not wearing the uniform.

Response by SSG Eric Eck made Sep 8 at 2016 8:31 PM

SSG Eric Eck — Thu, 08 Sep 2016 20:31:32 -0400

To be in the military and not show respect to the nation, is a contradiction.

Response by Jamie Barnett made Sep 8 at 2016 8:49 PM

Jamie Barnett — Thu, 08 Sep 2016 20:49:10 -0400

I suppose the right is there and should be supported, but IMO, you also have the right to make a really stupid and short-sighted statement. I've raised my son to stand, even when his friends don't (he's nine and knows better) and will politely and rationally explain the why behind.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 8 at 2016 9:04 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 08 Sep 2016 21:04:57 -0400

Your personal beliefs were issued to you the day you swore in and they do not include protesting the National Anthem or the Stars and Stripes.

Response by SFC Daniel McIntire made Sep 8 at 2016 11:11 PM

SFC Daniel McIntire — Thu, 08 Sep 2016 23:11:38 -0400

NO! Every soldier, sailor, and airman have been instructed to show respect to the flag and country. Standing and saluting (especially when in uniform) when the national anthem is showing respect that is taught and re-enforced during basic training. If you, as an individual, want to disagree with the situation in hand, fine and continue your duty! However, continue to show respect!

Response by SSgt Jim Gilmore made Sep 10 at 2016 7:11 AM

SSgt Jim Gilmore — Sat, 10 Sep 2016 07:11:33 -0400

You're poll is a bit skewed as it does not mention if personnel are both in and out of uniform. My response is if you are carrying an ID that indicates you are attached to the military as Active, Guard, Reserve, etc. You do NOT have a Constitutional right to "sit" during the National Anthem. We are all aware there are a number of things you can and cannot do as a military member. This falls into that category.

Additionally, as a DAV, I will state that morons like Kaepernick have a right to protest any damn thing they want to protest. That said, his decision to "sit" is a slap in the face of every man and woman to wear the uniform of the United States and tantamount to pissing on the graves of those who bled and died for the USA.

Response by Bergman Oswell made Sep 10 at 2016 10:01 AM

Bergman Oswell — Sat, 10 Sep 2016 10:01:07 -0400

Last time I checked, there was a certain oath that servicemembers swore -- to defend the constitution. I don't recall anywhere in that constitution where it says that active duty means you give up all of your unalienable rights, or even a single one.

How is it defending the constitution, giving it true faith and allegiance, to reject the rights of your fellow citizens to do as it states they have a right to? How can you be anything but a domestic enemy of the constitution if you would punish those who exercise rights it guarantees?

Response by SCPO Lonny Randolph made Sep 12 at 2016 1:14 PM

SCPO Lonny Randolph — Mon, 12 Sep 2016 13:14:56 -0400

Regulations state that you will stand at attention and face the colors when in civilian attire or stand at attention and salute the colors when in uniform. The thesis is that you are representative of the branch of service you are enlisted or commisioned in while on duty, you are on duty 24/7. If you want to grovel on your knees like an unwashed sand crab I suggest you wait till you discharge and are no longer an embarrasment to your chain of command. Nothing but love tho...

Response by SFC Don Vance made Sep 13 at 2016 10:30 PM

SFC Don Vance — Tue, 13 Sep 2016 22:30:34 -0400

Hell No!! You swore an Oath of Enlistment and that Oath gives you rights under the UCMJ. You don't have constitutional rights as civilians do!! The "sailor" should be court martialed and dishonorably discharged from the service!! Her current Chain of Command that has chosen not to should all be booted along with her. They're as much of a disgrace as she is!!!

Response by LTC Paul Labrador made Sep 14 at 2016 12:32 PM

LTC Paul Labrador — Wed, 14 Sep 2016 12:32:59 -0400

The moment you signed your DD4 and raised your right hand, personal beliefs take a back seat to regulation and the UCMJ. Standing and saluting during the National Anthem or other rendering of honors is a condition of employment. If you don't want to do it, find other employment.

Response by SPC Bob Vidovich made Sep 28 at 2016 8:52 PM

SPC Bob Vidovich — Wed, 28 Sep 2016 20:52:59 -0400

Should not be able to make political statement of any kind.

Response by SGT Mary G. made Sep 29 at 2016 9:04 PM

SGT Mary G. — Thu, 29 Sep 2016 21:04:43 -0400

Isn't the issue actually about the etiquette of honoring the flag?

The National Anthem. If people can take an oath to defend the Constitution, the racist part having been amended, maybe they can stand for the National Anthem too for the purpose of honoring the flag.
The Pledge of Allegiance. Unless there are religious considerations and the military honors them, I say stand but to honor the flag but don't recite if there is religious objection.

I haven't been paying attention to the brouhaha and only skimmed through the offending verse. I understand the verse in question is considered to be a racist verse. Francis Scott Key does not have the opportunity for a do-over. But in reality, how many times has anyone ever heard that verse sung? How many times is it ever sung? It is NOT sung at public events. Unless there are religious considerations and the military honors them, I say stand and salute if in uniform because, in actuality, the playing of the National Anthem is a signal to salute the flag. So it is not actually the National Anthem for which people stand, is it? It's the signal to stand to honor the flag.

The flag represents our nation - everything good about it. If people think by honoring the flag it is honoring what is wrong with our nation, then they aren't doing their own part to keep our nation on the right path. Stand at reveille and retreat too . . . to honor the flag.

Something is wrong with the State Senator who is protesting. I wouldn't vote to reelect him. Surely there is diplomatic protocol/etiquette (not unlike military courtesy) that is expected of folks serving in government?

Response by PO1 Kerry French made Sep 29 at 2016 11:39 PM

PO1 Kerry French — Thu, 29 Sep 2016 23:39:40 -0400

HELL NO!

Response by SPC Kwesi Morris made Sep 30 at 2016 10:48 AM

SPC Kwesi Morris — Fri, 30 Sep 2016 10:48:52 -0400

Here is one more person forgetting their military bearings...
http://michaelbaisden.com/navy-sailor-refused-stand-national-anthem-threatened-jail/

Navy Sailor Who Refused To Stand During National Anthem ‘Has Been Threatened With Jail’

Female Navy sailor who refused to stand during national anthem while in uniform is ’under review’ by military and ’has been threatened with jail’ A female US Navy sailor, who refused to stand for the national anthem while in uniform, is now under investigation by the military. Intelligence Specialis…

Response by CAPT Kevin B. made Sep 30 at 2016 11:48 AM

CAPT Kevin B. — Fri, 30 Sep 2016 11:48:45 -0400

OK, here's the rub. If you're active, you're subject to UCMJ 24/7 in or out of uniform. So if the order is you will at all times render proper honors in/out of uniform, easy. If you are Reserve/Guard not in a drill or active status AND wearing the uniform, they can nail you. It has more to do with making political statements in public while in uniform, brings discredit, etc. However, if you're not in uniform doing it, there isn't any tie to UCMJ, hence no direct action. So that leaves the issue of indirect action. Danger close on that one can get the Service in trouble by improperly acting. The JAG would tell you to lay off. PAO will tell you to lay off. Like football, three things can happen, and two of them are bad for the Service.

I had a Reserve SM transferred into my Command without my knowledge. Two days later, he put on the uniform and joined protesters at his Congressman's local office and looked great on the 6 o'clock news. Needless to say, the process to resolve his butt out was pretty easy.

Disrespect for the flag and other things tell me a lot about the SM that lowers my desire to have that person covering my six. A deeper look will show other things which are better suited to nail them on their Eval that the JAG and PAO won't care about. Consider their action a symptom of something more problematical.

Response by SSG Wally Lawver made Oct 20 at 2016 12:30 PM

SSG Wally Lawver — Thu, 20 Oct 2016 12:30:00 -0400

Hell no

Response by PO3 Andrew Kelly made Oct 27 at 2016 3:39 PM

PO3 Andrew Kelly — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 15:39:50 -0400

I have addressed this on other related questions. While in uniform you accept as part of your responsibilities some limits to your constitutional rights, especially the !st Amendment. As a member of any of the services you are obligated to render honors to the colors and to the nation anthem. Once you retire or otherwise set aside the uniform you are free to do as you wish and I will defend your right to do so even if I do not agree with you, until then I and the military expect you on your feet and rendering honors with your comrades.

Response by LTJG Edward Bangor Jr made Oct 28 at 2016 1:41 AM

LTJG Edward Bangor Jr — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 01:41:29 -0400

Off base and out of uniform, this should be considered free speech. SCOTUS can still override the UCMJ. Perhaps that is what this will eventually come to. The problem is that the case usually cited in giving defence to the DoD doesn't actually consider off base, off duty activity. It's a case from 1974 about an Army doctor shooting his mouth off when dealing with patients and personnel he was training. I fully believe the UCMJ should apply in that case. But if too much leeway is given to limiting the rights of the service member, we could end up with a system that makes it unlawful for you to sign a petition. It's an inherently slippery slope, and SCOTUS sides with the DoD a little too readily. And it's worth noting that nowhere in the Constitution we all swore to uphold that the rights detailed within it should be limited for members of the military.

Response by 1SG Dave Carello made Mar 13 at 2018 9:49 AM

1SG Dave Carello — Tue, 13 Mar 2018 09:49:18 -0400

How many NO's or statements of disgust could I say that would be powerful enough of a response? My response will be nothing new to any of my Brothers here young or old but, I will say. The National Anthem, and Pledge of allegiance is NO place for your "personal" political agendas or gripes or sullen attitudes. The National Anthem, and Pledge Are what the ARE PERIOD and, we have ALL witnessed our deceased Veterans caskets covered by this flag of honor both black and white on their "Final Ride". There is NO valid option in this CURENT land of a few entitled enabled sheep who are told they don't have to render proper honors. I say, BULLSH!T!! I say, Get OFF your well fed COWARD ARS and knees and Stand. I think a few of us within these pages know WHATs COMMING!

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Mar 13 at 2018 8:42 PM

CW3 Kevin Storm — Tue, 13 Mar 2018 20:42:16 -0400

Only if you are in a wheel chair and crippled from the waist down.

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Mar 27 at 2018 10:01 AM

SFC Robert Walton — Tue, 27 Mar 2018 10:01:58 -0400

They both swore an oath and should be Treated Accordingly. Rules and Regulations are NOT something to just ignore, it would be the same in a civilian Job if I swore to do X and didn't Do X then I am subject to punishment Up to and including being fired.

Response by SPC David Willis made Mar 27 at 2018 10:05 AM

SPC David Willis — Tue, 27 Mar 2018 10:05:16 -0400

If they're not in uniform, or on a military base, or aren't doing it as a member of the armed forces (meaning not saying things like "as a US sailor) I wouldn't approve of UCMJ action being taken. I wouldn't approve of their decision but I would say its their right.

Response by MSgt John McGowan made Mar 27 at 2018 10:22 AM

MSgt John McGowan — Tue, 27 Mar 2018 10:22:46 -0400

MSGT Peter Sutherland----- I think you ask the wrong crowd. Why even a question?

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Apr 3 at 2018 9:54 AM

CW3 Kevin Storm — Tue, 03 Apr 2018 09:54:59 -0400

Only in wheelchair due to injury or illness