Should Islam preempt US Law?

MSG Louis Alexander — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 14:34:21 -0500

Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made Mar 1 at 2018 2:41 PM

SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 14:41:54 -0500

Honestly? No way.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2018 2:45 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 14:45:23 -0500

Not just no but hell no

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2018 2:47 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 14:47:10 -0500

MSG Louis Alexander Absolutely not.

Response by SGT Jim Arnold made Mar 1 at 2018 2:51 PM

SGT Jim Arnold — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 14:51:10 -0500

My personal opinion is widely considered extreme so I will just state NO.

Response by GySgt Charles O'Connell made Mar 1 at 2018 2:51 PM

GySgt Charles O'Connell — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 14:51:36 -0500

No it should not, nor should any belief system pre-empt US law. The tenets of belief that apply to the myriad of "religions" on the scene apply only to those practicing a particular faith. To have someone to use as a defense in court, having been charged with a violation of law, that their religion says it's "o.k." is, in my opinion, ludicrous.

Response by SN Greg Wright made Mar 1 at 2018 2:52 PM

SN Greg Wright — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 14:52:55 -0500

I know you want to foster conversation, but I honestly don't know how anyone could even seriously consider the concept. In any case, it's a non-starter because it violates the Constitution. Never happen without some sort of revolution or civil war.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Mar 1 at 2018 2:53 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 14:53:29 -0500

At first I thought how silly but the Saudis have more money than the NRA

Response by SPC David Willis made Mar 1 at 2018 2:59 PM

SPC David Willis — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 14:59:32 -0500

Huh? Its not even evident what you're asking.

Response by SSgt Christopher Brose made Mar 1 at 2018 3:02 PM

SSgt Christopher Brose — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 15:02:57 -0500

Why is this a question?

Response by SGT David T. made Mar 1 at 2018 3:15 PM

SGT David T. — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 15:15:40 -0500

No. However, this also includes all religious doctrines to include Christianity. The first amendment is clear that there must be a separation between religion and government. As such, no religion should preempt U.S. law.

Response by Maj John Bell made Mar 1 at 2018 3:16 PM

Maj John Bell — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 15:16:45 -0500

OK now I'm going to go a different route than everyone else who has already posted.

Criminal law, absolutely not, no way, no how. Clearly contrary to the founding fathers intent, and most likely the overwhelming majority of Americans alive today. Absolutely the end of the American Republic.

Civil law, maybe... You and I can sit down and make an agreement, and establish rules of that agreement. As long as those rules do not cross into illegal territory, the rules that we just agreed to have full force and effect in civil court. If Party A and Party B, both parties to a contract, agree to binding arbitration, then for party A and party B, binding arbitration is law. If in the contract Party A and Party B agree to a "Sharia Court" performing binding arbitration, within the context and terms of the contract Sharia Law is the law, up to the point that Sharia Law requires something that is a violation of US, State, or Municipal Law.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2018 3:23 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 15:23:38 -0500

You mean like Islamic store owners should be not be forced to do business with homosexuals because they have a religious objection to homosexuality? You mean Islam preempting US and state anti discrimination laws like that? No, that would clearly be un-American. That could never happen in our country. No true American would ever support religious laws preempting US laws! 'Murica!!

Response by PO1 Brian Austin made Mar 1 at 2018 3:47 PM

PO1 Brian Austin — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 15:47:29 -0500

To be as succinct as possible...NO.

Response by Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth made Mar 1 at 2018 3:53 PM

Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 15:53:37 -0500

Heck to the no. Islam is a religion. The law is the law.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2018 3:55 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 15:55:30 -0500

No religion should

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Mar 1 at 2018 4:01 PM

SGM Erik Marquez — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 16:01:44 -0500

Should Islam preempt US Law?
Yes, but only in priority below the laws of Pastafarianism

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Mar 1 at 2018 4:13 PM

CPT Jack Durish — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 16:13:25 -0500

It seems possible, maybe probable that it will. Europe sooner, but eventually here as Muslims out-populate indigenous populations. Thankfully, I won't be around to see it...

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2018 4:32 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 16:32:08 -0500

No set of religious beliefs should preempt US law. It doesn't mater if 70% of Americans adhere to that religion or 1% of Americans adhere to the religion.

Response by LTC Orlando Illi made Mar 1 at 2018 4:43 PM

LTC Orlando Illi — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 16:43:55 -0500

This is a joke - right?

Response by SSG James Arlington made Mar 1 at 2018 4:46 PM

SSG James Arlington — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 16:46:47 -0500

Freedom from religion. That is what the first amendment means to me.

Response by Cpl Mark A. Morris made Mar 1 at 2018 4:55 PM

Cpl Mark A. Morris — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 16:55:49 -0500

Of course, it should.
Then, we can take away the vote from women, have child brides, man/boy sex, treat those not part of the Ummah as second class citizens and give them an extra tax, it would take 4 Witnesses to prove rape, I could divorce my wife with a text and every one will have to worship Su'en the one true god of the Kaaba.
Now, the real question is will it be Sunni, or Shia?

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Mar 1 at 2018 5:01 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 17:01:01 -0500

No they should conform to US laws.

Response by Susan Foster made Mar 1 at 2018 5:09 PM

Susan Foster — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 17:09:48 -0500

Of course not. I don't think any American citizen would think so, either.

Response by LTC Jeff Shearer made Mar 1 at 2018 5:15 PM

LTC Jeff Shearer — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 17:15:37 -0500

Louis my friend Jim Arnold said it best, I will just state no

Response by PO2 Peter Klein made Mar 1 at 2018 5:19 PM

PO2 Peter Klein — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 17:19:26 -0500

What is the matter with the laws we have now. Yes, I know we all object to some of them but they were enacted, in most cases, after debate and some compromise, rather than being than being "given" to some illiterate Bedouin over a thousand years ago. These laws have not flexibility for modern times and for anyone who isn't a practicing Muslim.

Response by PO3 Steven Sherrill made Mar 1 at 2018 5:21 PM

PO3 Steven Sherrill — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 17:21:03 -0500

MSG Louis Alexander the wording of the First Amendment precludes that from happening. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion," if no national religion can be established, then no religious laws can preempt U.S. Law. No matter what the religion, that doctrine falls second to U.S. Law.

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2018 5:23 PM

CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 17:23:05 -0500

Let me help you with that, "Should Religion preempt US Law?

Response by LCpl Mike Calhoun made Mar 1 at 2018 5:32 PM

LCpl Mike Calhoun — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 17:32:19 -0500

What in the actual hell?

Response by Sgt Kelli Mays made Mar 1 at 2018 5:33 PM

Sgt Kelli Mays — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 17:33:06 -0500

MSG Louis Alexander This question should not even/ever be asked. it is RIDICULOUS!

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2018 5:44 PM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 17:44:13 -0500

Absurd topic. Should Christian laws/values preempt US law?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2018 5:55 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 17:55:51 -0500

No more than Christianity or any other religious belief system.

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Mar 1 at 2018 5:58 PM

SSG Warren Swan — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 17:58:38 -0500

This is a loaded ass question. NO religion should be above the Constitution and it's even mentioned in there. Now to get into your question, no one really cared when Roy Moore was telling the "flock" that the Bible was the "true law of the land". He would be in office with that thought if he had kept his dingle dangle in his pants. Folks want to bring up Sharia Law here. Where in the US is Sharia Law legally practiced where it supersedes even state law let alone federal? How about Beth Din of America? This one IS used right now. It gets a pass being it's a Jewish based court that handles much of what a local recognized by state law would enact and enforce? So maybe the real question isn't whether or not Islam should preempt US law, but should religion in itself regardless of affiliation be allowed to take hold in the Nations judicial system in the first place. Not all the founding fathers were religious men, and not all believed in a God. Not everyone in America believes in the same God. Somehow the Indians got stripped of their religions and beliefs they're spending a lot of time now to bring their traditions and religions back. Slaves were brought and stripped of their religion. No going back to what was their religion now, and the same thing from Mexico on down.

Short answer is NO.

Response by SSgt Boyd Herrst made Mar 1 at 2018 6:05 PM

SSgt Boyd Herrst — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 18:05:21 -0500

A U.S. Judge, regardless if elected or appointed, who’s sworn an oath to uphold our constitution and the Bill of rights and laws derived.. would NOT, should NOT allow laws of a foreign entity to circumvent our own laws. Just because some individual comes from a land that allows certain acts of aggression, does not give them a pass on obeying our laws.. just because they don’t understand...

Response by CWO3 Dennis M. made Mar 1 at 2018 6:17 PM

CWO3 Dennis M. — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 18:17:00 -0500

My adjectives that would precede my "NO", would be removed. That is my answer...and by the way, my tonged is bleeding!

Response by PO3 Phyllis Maynard made Mar 1 at 2018 6:21 PM

PO3 Phyllis Maynard — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 18:21:25 -0500

MSG Louis Alexander I believe you have asked a thought provoking question with a clear intent. I'm not sure what it is. But, the US has stuck its' nose in the business of two cultures that have been warring against each other since the beginning of time. Islam has been guided by its' Qu'an since Haggai and Ismael hit the desert. Right now, in the last month on the news Christians were in dire trouble trying to institute some Christian "way of life" or something. Death started looking for them. Islamic countries don't fear us enough to compromise their fundamental lifestyle plus the way "smarta@@" American citizens have denegated the GOD of Christianity that lived in America before the Constitution was reinterpreted, they don't have the fear or respect for us as they do "pork". We may not have a choice of becoming the US of Islam. All types of accommodations are being made and apologies rendered to the population for this reason or that reason. Islamics are playing roles in US local government. It is just a matter of time. I see the invisible writing on the wall. I think Americans are fooling ourselves. These people are laughing at us. When we started dogging the GOD of Bible, they realized we are stupid enough to try to fix their culture and their Allah while they take over our country and give Allah a United States if Islam home. This is not satire. I am serious as a heart attack. I hope he and those I love are already in Heaven when it happens.

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Mar 1 at 2018 6:37 PM

SSG Warren Swan — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 18:37:04 -0500

I love the responses to this one. It's been awhile since RP has had this many stupid ass questions asked in the same day.....are we finally going back to the RP of old?

Response by A1C Charles D Wilson made Mar 1 at 2018 6:42 PM

A1C Charles D Wilson — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 18:42:28 -0500

Loaded question at the very most. I try to respect all religions but this is one that has no place in the USA. When the population rises from Islamic followers it will be our undoing as a country. The majority rules will be what kills the Constitution in itself. As more take office in the political fields they will have the votes to control the votes for any propositions they want changed. It is coming yet everyone sets on their hands and do not see it. Think about it...The Majority Rules! Sheep will be sheep and the herders will change hands. My people lost a lot of history and may never be recovered. What was or is written is that of the conquer and not of the conquered. Being mixed Tuscarora Onondaga Cherokee I get mixed up at times as who I need to talk to but all is good. I know the great spirit is watching and helping me.
Salute 07

Response by CW5 John M. made Mar 1 at 2018 8:03 PM

CW5 John M. — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 20:03:03 -0500

I never swore an oath to Sharia. Never will. Same with Communism and all the other “isms”. Period.

Response by SFC George Sease made Mar 1 at 2018 10:05 PM

SFC George Sease — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 22:05:54 -0500

HELL NO!!!!

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2018 10:18 PM

SCPO Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 22:18:36 -0500

Oh, hell, why not. America's already gone to the dogs, why not let it go to the camels, or is it the goats? NOT!!!

Response by Sgt Wayne Wood made Mar 1 at 2018 10:30 PM

Sgt Wayne Wood — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 22:30:56 -0500

You mean Sharia Law pre-empt US Law?

Ask the mormons.

Response by SSG Trevor S. made Mar 1 at 2018 10:36 PM

SSG Trevor S. — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 22:36:38 -0500

I vowed to defend the Constitution, not the Koran. Nor, the Bible.

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Mar 1 at 2018 10:45 PM

SFC Jim Ruether — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 22:45:53 -0500

HELL NO! They come here they live by our laws or go the hell back home from whence they came!

Response by Cpl Mark A. Morris made Mar 1 at 2018 11:03 PM

Cpl Mark A. Morris — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 23:03:47 -0500

That is the most down votes I have ever seen here at RP MSG.

Response by Maj Marty Hogan made Mar 1 at 2018 11:09 PM

Maj Marty Hogan — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 23:09:23 -0500

Is this a serious question? I can't even understand the context. Should we pay taxes to Cuba?

Response by 1stSgt Nelson Kerr made Mar 1 at 2018 11:23 PM

1stSgt Nelson Kerr — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 23:23:05 -0500

Of course not , no more than Christianity should

Response by SMSgt Lawrence McCarter made Mar 2 at 2018 1:00 AM

SMSgt Lawrence McCarter — Fri, 02 Mar 2018 01:00:19 -0500

Nothing should ever preempt US law, there can only be one law and it must apply equally to all. Only the United States Congress can make law, that isn't even an option for anybody ever ! Anyone that cannot obey the laws of our country is welcome to leave or if they still don't get it and violate those laws be ready to receive the penalties under US law for doing so.

Response by MSgt John McGowan made Mar 2 at 2018 1:36 AM

MSgt John McGowan — Fri, 02 Mar 2018 01:36:00 -0500

We give in to Islam to much as it is. No is my answer.

Response by PO1 Mary Vermont made Mar 2 at 2018 5:55 AM

PO1 Mary Vermont — Fri, 02 Mar 2018 05:55:32 -0500

I sure hope this isnt a serious question

Response by SP5 Mark Kuzinski made Mar 2 at 2018 6:16 AM

SP5 Mark Kuzinski — Fri, 02 Mar 2018 06:16:44 -0500

No Way!

Response by SSgt Boyd Herrst made Mar 2 at 2018 7:26 AM

SSgt Boyd Herrst — Fri, 02 Mar 2018 07:26:46 -0500

Oh heck no... we have Constitutional law and have no room for another law system just to satisfy some people’s who want to skirt our laws, giving them a pass to do as they want.. I posted a Archie Bunker(Carrol O’Conner) photo of a YouTube vid.

Response by Alan K. made Mar 2 at 2018 9:04 AM

Alan K. — Fri, 02 Mar 2018 09:04:19 -0500

Pretty sure you can answer your own question in about a third of a second....Seriously?

Response by SPC Andrew Ross made Mar 2 at 2018 12:19 PM

SPC Andrew Ross — Fri, 02 Mar 2018 12:19:54 -0500

Kind of a loaded question. Prolly a majority of muuslims will agree that it should now. Fortunately, it will still be a few years before the democrats agree with them.

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Mar 2 at 2018 2:03 PM

PO1 William "Chip" Nagel — Fri, 02 Mar 2018 14:03:29 -0500

"Ours is a Christian Nation" "We will allow None Among our Ranks Who is not a Christian" Adolf Hitler. Yeah Mixing Religion and Law always works out so Well. NOT!

Response by Guillermo Birmingham made Mar 2 at 2018 4:56 PM

Guillermo Birmingham — Fri, 02 Mar 2018 16:56:01 -0500

The premise of the question is faulty so no response is necessary.

Response by MAJ James Woods made Mar 2 at 2018 5:08 PM

MAJ James Woods — Fri, 02 Mar 2018 17:08:56 -0500

No. Just like Christianity and Judaism shouldn't preempt US Law.

Response by PO2 Peter Klein made Mar 3 at 2018 3:46 PM

PO2 Peter Klein — Sat, 03 Mar 2018 15:46:01 -0500

MSG Louis Alexander what do you think?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2018 11:30 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 Mar 2018 23:30:11 -0500

Is this a real question?