Should failing to complete 25D Re-Class reflect negatively on the Soldier that attempted it?

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Apr 2015 18:25:49 -0400

As with most schools in the Army, failing to successfully complete them earns one a 1059 that reflects negatively on their record. A few schools, SFAS and RASP for example, carry no negative consequence for failing to succeed. With Cyber Defense being such an important skill set and the MOS being open to ALL MOS's for re-class regardless of IN/OUT call, should failing to successfully complete this course come with a negative consequences?

The 25D Re-Class course is EXTREMELY challenging. It is not a “check the block” and you will succeed course. Only those with the appropriate mindset and aptitude will likely succeed. What are your thoughts?

Response by SSG Ed Mikus made Apr 22 at 2015 7:57 PM

SSG Ed Mikus — Wed, 22 Apr 2015 19:57:53 -0400

No, it should not reflect negatively

Response by CPT Zachary Brooks made Apr 22 at 2015 8:11 PM

CPT Zachary Brooks — Wed, 22 Apr 2015 20:11:18 -0400

We had a SSG go through this course and is currently the only (maybe one other) 25D in our state. He spoke about the extreme challenge of this course as well as the excessively long hours (0600 - 2300 most days). He succeeded the course and informed me it was the most difficult thing he had ever done, and he is one of the smartest and hard working soldiers and NCOs I know.

They should not be penalized, and frankly if they did fairly well, but did not make it, should at least be recognized with a "Good Effort" from their command.

Response by SGT Richard H. made Apr 22 at 2015 8:12 PM

SGT Richard H. — Wed, 22 Apr 2015 20:12:50 -0400

The big difference in the example is that SFAS and RASP aren't really schools in the traditional sense. They are both selection processes to be admitted to schools. With that being said, I tend to agree that it shouldn't reflect negatively, especially on a school that is for a brand-new MOS and doesn't really have a baseline.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 21 at 2015 2:50 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 21 Sep 2015 14:50:30 -0400

From conversations I have been in with some of the 25D Training and Development team, the course was designed off of criteria from both the 255A and 255N courses with some additional information in some of the sub-components. The amount of hands on experience that the average 25B NCO actual gets at unit level has greatly decreased in the last 8 years, as most of the admin rights fro equipment are held by Civilian personnel. With that being considered, I think it would be foolish to penalize an NCO for attempting a course that the most closely related MOS, 25B, can't adequately prepare the NCO for.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 25 at 2015 2:34 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 25 Sep 2015 14:34:28 -0400

Now that I have successfully completed the 25D course, I believe that failing to graduate should not be a negative on the Soldier's record. I agree with some others that adding a more stringent selection and assessing process would be beneficial.