Should Chris Kyle be considered for the Medal of Honor?

2015-02-02T22:06:54-05:00

As another post on here stated that the state of Texas declared today as Chris Kyle Day. There is a petition being launched to try to get Chris Kyle awarded the Medal of Honor. Should he be considered?

One of the petitions state he should be awarded, posthumously, “For his four tours to Iraq which saved hundreds and possibly thousands of US soldiers lives.”

What are your thoughts?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/02/02/texas-declares-chris-kyle-day-as-medal-honor-petition-drive-launches/?intcmp=latestnews

Texas declares ‘Chris Kyle Day,’ as Medal of Honor petition drive launches

Texas Gov.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2015 10:09 PM

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I do not personally think so. Simply an opinion.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2015 10:10 PM

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I believe that not only he deserves it LTC Private RallyPoint Member but that a multitude of actions during the war must be reviewed for others as well.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2015 10:27 PM

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The Medal of Honor shouldn't work that way. By all accounts he was a fantastic operator who rightly deserves to be honored for his service, but in my opinion he is not worthy of our nations highest award for valor simply for serving overseas for multiple tours and doing his job (even if exceptionally well). Every Medal of Honor citation I've ever read has been for a singular act of supreme heroism and I just don't think lumping together cumulative events to form a citation narrative is right. His Silver Star citation already reads like a meritorious award instead of a valor award, so if anything I question the award he's already received much less upgrading it to a Medal of Honor.

Response by LCDR Rabbah Rona Matlow made Feb 2 at 2015 10:35 PM

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For what? Yes he was an amazing sniper who was awarded 5 Bronze Stars and 2 Silver Stars. But, he was killed tragically as a civilian, not a Seal. As far as I know none of his actions merit the MOH. Maybe a Navy Cross, but not the MOH...

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2015 10:48 PM

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If he deserves the MOH then a 1/4 of the DoD deserves a look.

Response by SPC(P) Jay Heenan made Feb 3 at 2015 12:00 AM

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This shouldn't even be a question that needs to be asked...

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2015 12:15 AM

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I think Ed Eaton is an example of how a sniper does MOH-worthy action. I think Chris Kyle was an amazing Seal, but I don't know about MOH

Response by A1C William Hughes made Feb 3 at 2015 12:25 AM

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No I would say not. When they do the Medal of Honor they investigate anything that could show that the person is a liar or has depression. Kyle was judged to be deceitful by a court of law. Also I don't think Chris ever put his life on the line that was above and beyond the call of duty. Chris was a sniper and very good one, but he was hundreds of yards if not thousands of yards away from his target. I wouldn't be against giving Kyle a medal. I don't think he is same though as what Michael Murphy did. Running out of cover knowing he was exposed and probably would die. As far I know Kyle doesn't meet the standard for MOH. The scenarios were different.I saw American Sniper and at no time did I see Kyle go above and beyond the call of duty. Kyle was doing his duty.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2015 12:28 AM

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Why shouldn't he get it?

Response by LTC Paul Labrador made Feb 3 at 2015 10:26 AM

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Chris Kyle did an outstanding job downrange as a sniper, but his actions do not merit the MoH. His BSM and SS quite adequately recognized his contributions downrange. Quite frankly, this petition is only going around because of the popularity of the movie. People need to realize what the criteria for the MoH is. Just becuase you do amazing things downrange, none of what he did was "above and beyond the call of duty."

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Feb 3 at 2015 10:35 AM

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I don't think the MoH should ever be subject to the sways of Democracy.

It is not something to be petitioned for. It is not something to be voted for.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2015 11:29 AM

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No. He was a hell of a shot, and saved many lives while overwatching SMs downrange, but that was his job.

Response by TSgt Joshua Copeland made Feb 3 at 2015 12:28 PM

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For what specific act?

Response by SGT Francis Wright made Feb 3 at 2015 12:39 PM

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Yes,why not. Saved alot of our soldiers & marines.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2015 12:40 PM

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Awarding the CMOH by petition would be an awful precedent.

Response by COL Jean (John) F. B. made Feb 3 at 2015 1:43 PM

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While do consider him a hero, I do not think his actions qualify him for award of the Medal of Honor.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2015 1:50 PM

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I think it's great that Texas honored him with a formal "Chris Kyle Day" but if he had done something worthy of the MOH he'd have already been nominated. I don't think being able to grant the medal via petition for overall conduct is a good idea. It will eventually cheapen the meaning and prestige of the MOH.

Response by LCpl Mark Lefler made Feb 3 at 2015 1:52 PM

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To gain the medal of honor one must save the life of a fellow service member in combat with EXTREME risk of death to himself, Chris was not under any more risk to himself then any other combat vet or sniper or special ops unit.

Response by Sgt James Morse made Feb 3 at 2015 3:56 PM

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I wish I could say that I'm torn on this fact, but it is kind of a no-brainer for me. Chris Kyle was clearly a man of remarkable character ferocious courage, but do his actions in 4 tours in Iraq qualify him for the MOH?

From what I have seen and read of the man, I have to say, "no."

The reasons are these: Kyle's service was exemplary, and his professionalism, dedication to his duties and remarkable skill no doubt contributed to a great many American and Iraqi lives saved. But the MOH is awarded not for a noteworthy career, but-- in most cases-- for an act of singular, almost superhuman courage while under fire in dire circumstances. If Chris Kyle deserves the MOH, it can be very credibly argued that there should be a Medal of Honor awarded to at least one person in every company that deploys.

In my opinion, at least, his actions were completely in accordance with the highest standards of the United States Military, buy I gotta say that the reason people want to see him receive the MOH is because he achieved celebrity status with his works and his memoirs published after his return. The ironic tragedy of his death only sealed his mythical status, and the popularity of the movie based on his life (pretty awesome, by the way) will be sure to spread his fame and reputation far and wide. But there are many, MANY servicemen/women who demonstrate the same level of dedication, bravery and competence. And there are a lot of snipers who could give Kyle a run for his money; they just haven't received the fame that Chris Kyle has accumulated.

Kyle has the "trifecta" working for him: the mystique and admiration that many people feel for the SEALs; the greater and perhaps more mysterious associations of being a professional military sniper-- the smallest subset in the entire U.S. military; and the strength of his character, which led to a much-deserved national outpouring of grief at the news of his death at the hands of a troubled veteran to whom Kyle had extended a helping hand.

To award him the MOH would, I fear, tarnish the award. The two DELTA operators who received the MOH (posthumous) for their actions in Somalia received the award because the gravity of their decision, and its motives, were beyond the pale. They knew they were going to be dropped in the middle of a fierce firefight, with limited ammunition and no hope of rescue. They knew that they were dropping into that fight to protect the life of a single man. And they almost certainly knew that they were going to die. But they saw the situation as being that they had a brother in trouble, and that if he had to die, his enemies would pay dearly for the effort, and, more importantly, that that pilot was not going to die alone. I suspect that they both prayed they were wrong about the circumstances, and what I believe is only conjecture, but from my experience and from what I know of men with this kind of world-view, I think it is a realistic surmise.

I hate saying that the MOH-- and, for that matter, possibly the Navy Cross-- should be withheld, because I really do have a huge sense of respect for the man and his service, not to mention the sacrifices and losses suffered by his wife and children. But if I look back through the history of those two awards, I'm not sure that I can agree that his service recommends him to the highest honor that can be awarded to any American.

Sorry for the long-winded rant. I just don't want to be seen as throwing the guy under the bus, when all I'm trying to do is preserve the exclusivity and sacrifice of all those who have earned the Medal in their own time of service, and usually at the immediate and gruesome cost of their own lives.

Semper Fi.

Response by 1SG Frank Boynton made Feb 3 at 2015 4:03 PM

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No absolutely not. People are nominated by the people who witnessed extreme acts of bravery, and then the nomination is moved along his chain of command. Evidently, no one directly involved with Chris, or anyone in his chain of command thought he did anything to merit the award. To be awarded this honor by petition would make it a political award and cheapen it for everyone who has ever earned it. But not only that, I don't think Chris would want it. Awards are not what people like Chris join the military for. I don't know a lot of Seals, but I know a whole bunch of Special Forces and Rangers. I don't know one of them that do what we do for the awards. Texas is right to be proud of him, he was good at his job, and it's always nice to see civilians recognize soldiers (remember, I come from the Vietnam era) where our service wasn't so honorable or appreciated by the civilian community. But in this case, I do not believe the award of the Medal of Honor is appropriate.

Response by SGT Ben Keen made Feb 3 at 2015 4:08 PM

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Not to knock what CK did to protect thousands of Soldiers but I don't see what he did as making the cut for the MoH. And after learning a lot about CK over the past few weeks and months, I think if he had a say, he would echo that. CK believed in the importance of his mission. He knew that guys counted on him to do his job and if he failed, they failed. The team work between those going door to door and those providing over-watch is a must and that is what CK did. He did his job, did it well and the SS and BSMs are enough I think.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2015 4:27 PM

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With respect, I would have to say no and I think Chris Kyle would agree. He did his job and did it exceptionally well, but I cannot recall anything about his service that specifically went "above and beyond the call of duty." That said, I still believe he was a great American.

Response by SPC Lukas Jones made Feb 3 at 2015 5:01 PM

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I will simply say No without elaboration

Response by LCDR Rabbah Rona Matlow made Feb 3 at 2015 5:04 PM

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Again, to all whose emotions say he deserves it, it goes back to law. Take a look at the citation provided by EM3 Walters. There are specific objective criteria for the MOH, and Kyle's service, while amazing, did not meet those criteria.

Response by PO1 Chris Crawley made Feb 3 at 2015 5:27 PM

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MoH, no. Navy Cross, yes.

Response by SGT Aaron Olivas made Feb 3 at 2015 11:00 PM

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Sorry Brother, but No I don't believe he does, but then again what do I know. I believe he did an amazing job as an Operation whole but that was his Job, if he is to get one then his Leadership would have Squared him away.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2015 1:45 AM

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Well Bergdahl got one, right? lol

Response by Sgt James Morse made Feb 4 at 2015 3:35 AM

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Actually, now that I think about it:

I would be PISSED if someone got awarded the MoH-- or any other medal-- because a bunch of frikkin' civilians thought it was appropriate.

If his command didn't see his actions as being at the level of a MoH, WTF are a bunch of civilians going to bring to the table. Seriously? A PETITION???

The absolute lunacy of the notion just hit me full-force, although it has been gnawing at me in a strange, indefinable manner for days, now.

I mean: c'mon. Seriously?

Response by SSG Leonard Johnson made Feb 4 at 2015 3:35 AM

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myself, I don't know...the MOH should be reserved for those who go above and beyond, who made a choice to knowing they were going to die. I do know in War II and others....the MOH was awarded for lesser deeds....Don't get me wrong hahaha there deeds I wouldn't have gonads to do giggles

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2015 6:56 AM

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Although I very truly admire and think he is an outstanding individual. I believe he was already awarded appropriately for his actions during his four tours. So putting my heart and feelings aside I would have to say no.

Response by 1SG Patrick Sims made Feb 4 at 2015 2:43 PM

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I have all the respect on the world for Kyle, but he didn't do anything to warrant being awarded the Medal of Honor.

Response by Sgt Packy Flickinger made Feb 4 at 2015 5:12 PM

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Hat last shot in the movie, assuming it was accurately portrayed was worthy of something. Sure, he was 2100 yards away, but like they said he knew it meant giving away their position. Willing to trade a few for a lot is a tough call

Response by Cpl Ron Ortiz made Feb 4 at 2015 6:14 PM

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I am of the opinion that he should be awarded the CMOH for the simple facts to consider. If you consider the fact that each one of his kills save 1.5 lives minimum.
Him saving approximately over 240+ lives is reason alone to consider him a recipient of no less than a Navy Cross. His astute dedication to his given billet alone is why he should be awarded the CMOH

Response by SGT David Emme made Feb 4 at 2015 6:15 PM

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No don't think he should and I think if he were alive today-would agree with all of us who have said no.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2015 7:21 PM

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I think that all of those people need to go back and read what the Medal of Honor is awarded for. As I understand it, it is awarded for personal acts of valor above and beyond the call of duty. That being said Chris Kyle was not only a Sniper but also a Navy Seal. Many of the things we look at and think wow. Were a normal duty day to guys like that. Kyle was a bad motor scooter, and knowing that he has done and that we have individuals like him serving still is what will keep our country strong. But we can not bend the rules because we really feel good about this guy. There are lots of people who have done, very similar things to Mr. Kyle who will never be known to the general public. Some of which have died doing so. If the medal of honor was awarded based off a good story then sure he gets one, Pat Tillman gets one, General Patton gets one. But its not, it is based on very clear guidlines that Chris Kyle just did not meet and judging from his charicter would most likely slap the shit out of you for even asking that question.

Response by PO2 Kevin LaCroix made Feb 4 at 2015 10:49 PM

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This is impossible to answer as we do not know details of his missions. There is a pretty high standard for the CMH.

Response by SPC Charles Griffith made Feb 5 at 2015 12:52 AM

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No sorry if it hurts feelings but he is/was a great Warrior and did a great job. He was also rewarded for his service and that is that. I would think if he were alive to respond he would say the same. Now How do I feel about this AWESOME FRICKEN AMERICAN??? I think every State should have a Chris Kyle Day ! ! ! ! ! ! Just my opinion.

Response by Sgt Michael Selbach made Feb 5 at 2015 1:25 AM

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shouldn't we all? thank you to everyone

Response by PFC Aaron Knapp made Feb 5 at 2015 4:51 AM

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Id have to agree with almost everyone else and say no...he received the merits and awards he was due and if he wasn't nominated then no. I think he should be recognized for his civilian work in helping other vets overcome PTSD..perhaps a scholarship in his name...but again as its already been said he wasn't nominated before..he shouldn't be because of a movie. I will admit I briefly considered it having seen the movie and read about him...

Response by SPC John Decker made Feb 5 at 2015 5:37 AM

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His popularity, because of the book and movie, is well deserved. Whatever medals he was awarded were well earned. The Medal of Honor? I don't think so. How many snipers have been deployed? Did he do anything specifically different than any of the others?

Response by MAJ Ron Peery made Feb 5 at 2015 8:39 AM

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Do you think he'd care?

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 10:01 AM

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The decision should be made by his commanding officer, not by the governor of Texas. Anymore, I see a lot of medals being handed out for political reasons rather than valorous service. His contribution to the war effort should never be forgotten, but at the same time there are hundreds, possibly thousands, of others that are equally contributing to the war efforts and have contributed to the war efforts that have not had a movie made about the book that they wrote about the services that they performed. Why not Sean Parnell (Outlaw Platoon)? Even Marcus Luttrell (Lone Survivor) received a DSC for his actions. Chris Kyle did a great job, but I don't think this is being done for the right reasons.

Also, although his post-military service was also very noble that in itself does not lend consideration to the CMH award criteria. Let's keep the politicians out of the "medal-handouts" as much as possible. There are hundreds of fallen brothers and sisters that died heroically in MILITARY service that hadn't received such an award, and it would be a shame to let a politician dictate additional recipients based on his own accounts and that of a Hollywood film producer.
v/r,
CPT Butler

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 10:48 AM

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It's my understanding that the MoH is given for single acts of extraordinary valor and gallantry above and beyond the call of duty. I don't know much about Chris Kyle. What I do know is that he was an honorable man who loved his country and has family. Did he do something that warranted an MoH? Maybe he did! But, based upon his lethal skills with a sniper rifle? No.

Please don't get me wrong on this. I admire men like Chris Kyle and a lot of others who saw combat. But you have to remember, everyone who has seen combat isn't necessarily MoH worthy.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 11:22 AM

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I'd say no. As others have said he was a fantastic shot but never did anything particularly worthy of a MoH. Even if we were seriously considering it we should wait until the hype from the movie dies down first. In the past month I've seen more about Chris Kyle than I have in the two years since he died put together so I believe this nomination is based on hype alone. Also after reading his autobiography he makes a lot of statements about not caring who he kills, insurgent or civilian, he just enjoyed the killing.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 12:21 PM

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The only reason they made this petition was because of the movie, and let's face it, because he shot so many "savages". A lot of Americans today (especially Texas) seem to think bravery and valor are exemplified by shooting someone different than you. Where was this petition for the guy from Hurt Locker? Or any other military movie based on a real person's life events? Or any service member with multiple deployments? No one cares about their deeds because "they weren't shootin' rag heads!"

Response by GySgt William Hardy made Feb 5 at 2015 1:33 PM

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No. He was already awarded as determined by his seniors. Just because he has gained notoriety since the release of the movie does not mean he merits more military awards than he has already received.

The Medal of Honor is not a popularity award.

Response by LTC David S. Chang, ChFC®, CLU® made Feb 5 at 2015 1:44 PM

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I would like to see an objective story first. The movie is based on his book which he wrote. I think if there were a true investigation on what happened, and he really deserves it, great. Let's give it to him.

I know that he was sued by Ventura on some inaccuracies so with that looming, it will be difficult to get it. I hope that once everything clears up, then we can objectively decide. Many of those that are awardees did amazing things, and I want them to know we don't want to commercialize the medal.

Response by CW3 Curtis Anderson made Feb 5 at 2015 2:19 PM

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No way, although what he did extraordinary he was just doing his job. This is typical for service members with multiple deployments.

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Feb 5 at 2015 2:53 PM

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Should Chris Kyle be awarded the Medal of Honor? Maybe. Maybe not.

Don't have enough information to have an opinion one way or the other.

Did he act with valor above and beyond the call of duty? Tell us about it.

Having worked on recommendations for the Medal of Honor (four of which were awarded), trust me, it takes a lot of documentation, far more than appears in a news broadcast or a few Internet discussion thread postings. It definitely takes far more than a popular vote.

It's readily apparent that Chris Kyle served honorably. That he extended himself far beyond most others who serve in attaining the distinction of a Navy SEAL. That he contributed greatly to the war effort. That he saved lives. All this and more.

Have others served as well and with as much distinction? Yes. Were they awarded the Medal of Honor? No. Maybe they should have?

This is a place for opinions and well all know about "opinions", don't we?

Response by Sheryl Verhulst made Feb 5 at 2015 3:19 PM

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Wait, wasn't there this entire scandal about how he falsified a bunch of information?

Response by SSgt Ronald Heasley made Feb 5 at 2015 3:43 PM

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Yes, he should receive the MOH for his action on the battle field and what he did at home , suppose of returning vets to recover.

Response by SrA Gerald Anderson Jr made Feb 5 at 2015 4:38 PM

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I question those who suggest that Chris Kyle doesn't deserve the MOH simply because he died as a civilian and not in combat. Not every MOH winner died in battle. In fact, quite a few didn't die in combat, living long after their award of the MOH.
The fact that Chris did save potentially hundreds or thousands US soldiers with his actions is clearly enough to warrant the MOH. The fact that he took out his nemesis, an incredibly talented sniper in what is still one of the longer snipe shot in history saved perhaps hundreds more lives. And he was wounded in combat, nearly losing his life just before shipping out from his last tour. I believe that he does deserve the MOH and I support such an action. Chris Kyle was a superb marksman that did his job and did it well. He spent more time in combat than many who are still active duty, nearly 3 years of his life. Even after returning home and returning to civilian life, he took time to help his fellow veterans, albeit leading to his death. All taken into consideration, Chris Kyle should be considered for the MOH.

Response by Maj Mike Sciales made Feb 5 at 2015 5:52 PM

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I think we need to look at the criteria for the medal as established in US Law. Lee Ermey lays it down in 1:21 seconds. http://www.history.com/videos/medal-of-honor-criteria#medal-of-honor-criteria

Response by SGT Joseph Tellier made Feb 5 at 2015 6:31 PM

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I don't know much about Chris Kyle, but if he were awarded the MoH by petition, I would be highly upset with Congress.

Response by MCPO Hans Brakob made Feb 5 at 2015 8:25 PM

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Not a chance. The MOH is awarded for a singular act of overwhelming heroism, not for "being good at your job".

Response by MAJ Michael Moffeit made Feb 5 at 2015 8:39 PM

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This is what happens when those who do not understand military decorations (namely civilians) and those who let personal bias cloud their judgment and scope of people/events get together. Chris Kyle is a hero and served honorably, but in my opinion, even he would not believe he deserved the Medal of Honor. He did his job, and he was awarded appropriately, but nothing he did warrants such an award. With that being said, loved his book, loved the movie, can't even begin to explain my admiration for his wife's strength and I have nothing but the best of wishes for his family. He is one of many men and women whose time was cut short fulfilling a purpose bigger than themselves. The world is a lesser place without them.

Response by SGT Tim Grow made Feb 5 at 2015 9:18 PM

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He continued to try and help his brothers and sisters in arms even after his service. Chris Kyle deserved this honor after his first tour. This country should in some way honor this man and his family's sacrifice.

Response by SGT Greg Gold made Feb 5 at 2015 10:26 PM

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It's simple, the answer is no. I don't know how the Navy handles these things, but in the Army each act of valor stands alone for the purpose of awards and decorations. You don't combine a bunch of bronze star acts and award a silver star.

Response by MSG T.C. White made Feb 5 at 2015 11:15 PM

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No to MOH

Response by SSG Trevor S. made Feb 5 at 2015 11:28 PM

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Extreme proficiency does not equate to extreme valor.
That doesn't mean he doesn't deserve it, it means I don't know the facts enough to know. If someone puts him in for it I hope it is considered fairly.

Response by CW3 Richard Mann made Feb 6 at 2015 5:05 AM

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Not unless he did something we haven't heard about. The Medal awarded for a specific act of extraordinary courage and selfless sacrifice, not a movies popularity.

Response by SCPO Larry Knight Sr. made Feb 6 at 2015 8:32 AM

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My response is "NO". We have always based awards on factual data not as a result of a book/movie. Chris was a highly decorated combat veteran who performed his job to the absolute best of his ability. I'm extremely proud of his service to this great nation, and saddened by his untimely death in the manner which it occurred.

I don't believe this needs to come under any review for an "MOH" period, after the fact ! He did his job as we all do/did in our time and didn't expect any special accolades . I served in the Viet Nam era and at no time did I ever expect any special recognition for what I did. For this to become a political debate is ludicrous and stand too demean the meaning behind every award ever issued past/present !

We are better than this so let it rest.

Response by 1SG Charles Brown made Feb 6 at 2015 8:38 AM

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If the award is given for saving lives, and he clearly saved American soldiers lives, why wouldn't he be granted that. I heard that someone considered him a coward. Did they know him? From what I saw in the movie; he saved many lives and spared a whole lot of American anguish from loved ones of soldiers he saved. Those that feel he was a coward clearly never killed someone to save someone else, or is jealous of his accolades, which makes you stupid. If I was in a fire fight, I want someone like him on overwatch.

Response by PV2 Glen Lewis made Feb 6 at 2015 9:28 AM

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I have total respect for his services to his country but as I understand what qualifies one to receive the MOH I don't that he met them. He was after all murdered as a civilian. If it's decided he should be awarded it I don't have any objections since I don't have a complete knowledge of his career or of him personally and I think that would be essential to my making a reasonable determination.

Response by MCPO Katrina Hutcherson made Feb 6 at 2015 9:40 AM

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Noooooo. Huge respect for him but if you can't justify it IAW the Medals and Awards Manual you can't award it. Making stuff up to appease the people of Texas would be so wrong on so many levels. You either meat the standards or you don't. Awards are not meant as a popularity contest...

Response by PVT John Williams made Feb 6 at 2015 10:18 AM

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Uh.....no. He was a great shooter, but I don't think he met the qualifications for such an honor. Silver star for gallantry? Sure. Medal of Honor? Not quite.

Response by SGT Orazio Castellana made Feb 7 at 2015 9:26 AM

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No! I do not want it to be given on political pressure. I would want it to be given on the merits of his service.

Response by SSG Robert Webster made Feb 8 at 2015 1:19 PM

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No.

Response by TSgt James Phillips made Feb 9 at 2015 6:11 PM

2015-02-09T18:11:35-05:00

No, He did his duty ,very well, it was not above and beyond the call of duty. His excellence simply means he was very good at what he did every day. He is somebody that I admire and respect,but the Congressional Medal of Honor is over the top for me.

Response by TSgt David Holman made Feb 9 at 2015 6:31 PM

2015-02-09T18:31:25-05:00

This is a clear no. He was great at what he did, but never had one singular act of extraordinary heroism above and beyond the call of duty.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2015 8:37 AM

2015-02-10T08:37:57-05:00

I agree with those that say no because he didn't do anything worthy of if. There was no act of valor worthy of it.

Response by SSG Shawn Armstrong made Feb 17 at 2015 1:10 PM

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Response by SSG Shawn Armstrong made Feb 17 at 2015 1:16 PM

2015-02-17T13:16:06-05:00

He got two silver stars for his service. I think those who think he should get it, should go to the MOH website and read some of the citations. Some of the actions that were required to get the Medal of Honor. He didn't do anything that deserves the highest medal for valor. He did his job, very, very well, I have no problem with him getting the silver starts, definitely warranted. I think he'd say the same thing, the MOH, hardly.

Response by TSgt E.A. Blas made Feb 18 at 2015 1:40 PM

2015-02-18T13:40:59-05:00

Yes! He served his country with pride and we may never know about some of his classified missions. He no doubt saved several lives and he also tried to do so by helping his fellow vets after he served his country.

Response by SFC Francisco Roman made Feb 18 at 2015 3:27 PM

2015-02-18T15:27:57-05:00

This American hero , is one of the most amazing person in the military history, save many life and after his career was up he did not give up on his fellow peers. To answer your question I would say yes. May he rest in peace.

Response by SFC Francisco Roman made Feb 18 at 2015 3:32 PM

2015-02-18T15:32:21-05:00

He may have been a civilian at the time of his death, just remember he served your country with pride and honor. Save many life, it could of being your's.

Response by PV2 Glen Lewis made Feb 25 at 2015 3:17 PM

2015-02-25T15:17:01-05:00

I can only say what I said when I first answered a comment by some idiot about him being a coward. He wasn't but as far as awarding him the CMH I don't know of anything that I've heard that qualifies him for it. He has the most confirmed kills by a sniper and a controversial movie about him. That's all I know about him. I don't know all the facts about his career though so I'll leave that judgment up to those who do.

Response by Capt Lance Gallardo made Feb 26 at 2015 5:26 PM

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http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/capitol-hill/2015/02/26/medal-of-honor-sought-american-sniper-chris-kyle/24064669/

This is circumventing the normal process of initiating the MOH, but we have seen the review committee for the MOH reject eyewitness testimony of other worthy candidates, so maybe it is good if Congress Acts in very limited cases to directly Award the MOH, to make up for historical anomalies or to Award the MOH in very rare cases like Chris Kyle's. MOH awards are by necessity often controversial. Someone always gets left out in awarding the MOH due to inaccurate reporting by the Chain of Command, or poor drafting in the original paperwork, or the loss of witnesses due to combat or time . . . I have long felt that the GWOT Vets got the shaft with the stinginess of MOH awards in the last fourteen years since 9/11. Iraq and Afghanistan did not usually see the type of sustained and large scale combat that characterized, WWII, The Korean War or Vietnam, and that has been put forward as one possible explanation.

Medal of Honor sought for 'American Sniper' Chris Kyle

A Texas congressman is lobbying to award the Medal of Honor to Chris Kyle, whose life and military career were the subject of the book and blockbuster film American Sniper.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 27 at 2015 11:22 AM

2015-02-27T11:22:33-05:00

So, the Medal of Honor for Chris Kyle. I'm sure I'll get a lot of flak for this but....here goes... I'm actually completely opposed to this. He's well decorated with appropriate medals. He hasn't met the criteria for a medal of honor. He did his job VERY well. He didn't really do anything that warrants MOH though. As a sniper he certainly guarded lives. He earned 2 silver stars, 5 bronze with valor (not sure if all 5 are with valor) 1 commendation, and two achievement medals. Generally speaking, all MOH recipients were also eligible for purple hearts (not a qualifier, just putting it into perspective). He doesn't even have that? What's the MOH for? Because he got the title "hero?". Let's not degrade the value and standing of the nation's highest honor for the sake of sentiment and adoration. He was a great serviceman, an undisputed asset, with a heart to help other people when he had enough. His actions got him some very prestigious medals only a few can lay claim too. He's not a MOH recipient though. I can understand the civlian population pushing for this. All they ever hear about it medals of honor and purple hearts, completely unaware of all the other highly respectable awards that most of us will never earn. We as servicemembers however, do know, and if given the option should push against lowering a criteria for the sake of sentiment, lest we devalue some great sacrifices and incredible courage from those that came before us.

Response by PO3 John Jeter made Feb 27 at 2015 12:16 PM

2015-02-27T12:16:42-05:00

I have the utmost respect and admiration for Chris Kyle. I firmly believe he is entitled to every award and accolade he has received to date. I believe he would be the first to stand up and decline this honor, seeing as how it was being pushed by publicity and well intentioned admirers. If there was a nomination for this honor during his service for acts that occurred during active duty, that is a different story.
I would instead, suggest a petition for the Congressional Gold Medal to be awarded to Chris Kyle. This is not to be confused with the Presidential Medal of Freedom. The CGM was first awarded to George Washington for his services........
{The Gold Medal and the Presidential Medal of Freedom are generally considered to carry the same level of prestige (though significantly fewer Gold Medals have been awarded). The chief difference between the two is that the Freedom Medal is personally awarded by the President of the United States, and Congressional Gold Medals are awarded by Acts of Congress (Congress may authorize the President to present the award).}-Wikipedia
I believe the warrior in Chris Kyle would appreciate being recognized by a congressional act far more than by a single person. I believe this to be a far more appropriate honor and I would invite my fellow RP members to read up on this honor and do what you can to start the ball rolling.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Gold_Medal

Congressional Gold Medal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A Congressional Gold Medal is an award bestowed by the United States Congress; the Congressional Gold Medal and the Presidential Medal of Freedom are the highest civilian awards in the United States. It is awarded to persons "who have performed an achievement that has an impact on American history and culture that is likely to be recognized as a major achievement in the recipient's field long after the achievement."[1] However, "There are no...

Response by MSgt Allan Vrboncic made Feb 27 at 2015 12:34 PM

2015-02-27T12:34:58-05:00

Only if he went Above and Beyond the Call of Duty You don't get the MOH for just doing your job. No matter how hostile the environment.

Response by SGT(P) Khalid Wise made Feb 27 at 2015 12:53 PM

2015-02-27T12:53:24-05:00

Unfortunately, career or service awards "cap out," if you will, at the Legion of Merit (LOM) level unless a single or several specific and quantifiable metric combat valorous acts (unclassified = historical fact general public can know about or classified = historical fact unauthorized outside military and authorized executive/legislative branch channels unless de-classified) had

Response by CW5 Sam R. Baker made Feb 28 at 2015 8:00 AM

2015-02-28T08:00:50-05:00

No, if he was to receive the MoH, he would have been recommended while alive and kicking in the service. I do realize that a lot of awards are recommended after one's life on earth has been ended, but it is the publicity and public argument of his duty and service that has proponents going after this. The awards system is already upside down and really dysfunctional to those deserving of awards who perform and those who get awards they have not deserved. I simply don't see a fix, but this would be a public civil high jacking of the system as it exists.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2015 11:36 PM

2015-03-02T23:36:25-05:00

This has already been addressed on Rally Point but I believe it should be looked into.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2015 10:53 AM

2015-03-04T10:53:59-05:00

NO, He hasn't met the criteria for a medal of honor. He did his job VERY well, and has been awarded those awards that commend him for his job. But this is not one he has earned.

Response by SGT Kristjan Rahe made Mar 4 at 2015 10:58 AM

2015-03-04T10:58:59-05:00

No, he served honorably and performed his duties phenomenally, but it does not rise to MoH status

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2015 7:18 PM

2015-03-04T19:18:09-05:00

Should he get the MOH, no. I mean he already has a book and movie. Will he get it? probably they are being handed out like they are candy recently.

NOTE: I am not saying recent recipients are not deserving of recognition but I have heard about other acts of valor more courageous than those who receive the MOH and they get a lesser award for it.

Response by 1SG Billy Greene made Mar 11 at 2015 3:09 PM

2015-03-11T15:09:36-04:00

Even though I think he should be highly respected for what he did and he already is!! His actions were not MOH and I know others that have done similar that have not been awarded justly.

Response by MSG Nick C. made Mar 11 at 2015 3:17 PM

2015-03-11T15:17:55-04:00

No.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2015 3:28 PM

2015-03-11T15:28:32-04:00

Ask Brian Williams....he was there with Chris Kyle on all the missions and saw all the acts of heroism...hell, he helped reload.......he could tell us how things really went down

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2015 4:41 PM

2015-03-11T16:41:57-04:00

American sniper hell yeah

Response by SGM Jimmy Hall made Mar 11 at 2015 4:52 PM

2015-03-11T16:52:57-04:00

If Chris was worthy of the MOH then his COC would have put him in for it. He was a true warrior but a self proclaimed legend. Just read his book! How does a sniper, and I was a sniper in OIF, confirm and keep count of the combatants he engaged. I don't wont to take away from his bravery and dedication to his country but at the end of the day he was only a solider doing his job. Last time I heard the MOH had to be accompanied by sworn statements of valorous actions during combat.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2015 6:29 PM

2015-03-11T18:29:04-04:00

No. Apparently did his job and did it extremely well. However, the CMOH isn't an excellent job/career well-done medal.

Response by SGT Joseph Jones made Mar 11 at 2015 11:16 PM

2015-03-11T23:16:16-04:00

I think he recieved the awards that he deserved. He should be recognized for work after he left Military. But he was doing his job and unless he went above and beyond to save someone first hand or any other super heroic action that every other soldier didn't do then he doesn't deserve more than he has recieved. I do think it's bs that the government is allowing governor to sue his estate after his passing. Especially since he has already been awarded so much money.

Response by TSgt Jackie Jones made Mar 11 at 2015 11:25 PM

2015-03-11T23:25:28-04:00

If the military didn't feel it necessary to award him with the Medal of Honor at the time he served, why would they award it now?
Is his murder tragic? Untimely? Unnecessary? Yes. Yes. Yes. Does it change what he did for his service and for his country? No.
He is still amazing and will not be forgotten.

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2015 11:32 PM

2015-03-11T23:32:00-04:00

Without question, yes.

Response by SFC Raymond Koeller made Mar 12 at 2015 6:35 PM

2015-03-12T18:35:29-04:00

Simply put, NO.

Response by SrA Gerald Anderson Jr made Mar 18 at 2015 4:36 PM

2015-03-18T16:36:32-04:00

I've responded once, but, with more time to think about this, I'm no longer so sure. Even Kyle himself said he was only doing what he was asked to do - he didn't necessarily go above & beyond his given duties.
The man is a hero, there's no argument there. He has already received the Silver Star (twice) and the Bronze Star (also twice) as well as several other awards. But by taking his own words, is there truly a reason to step up to the Medal of Honor for just doing what he signed up to do? I'm not so sure. Had he died in action, I wouldn't think twice about it. As he was allowed to leave the service, unlike so many others over the last decade or so, he at least had a chance to get back to civilian life and do some good for other veterans from our last two wars.
My thoughts now tell me that, if any new award should be forthcoming, perhaps it should be the Navy Cross and not the Medal of Honor. Kyle did exhibit extraordinary heroism on a number of occasions according to his record, making him eligible for the Navy Cross. I no longer think that his heroism quite meets the qualifications for the Medal of Honor.

Response by SGT Christopher Alexander made Apr 24 at 2015 8:36 AM

2015-04-24T08:36:26-04:00

No. Does anyone else find it profoundly troubling that he has no Purple hearts? I mean, he claims 2 GSWs and 6 IED hits. You'd imagine he'd have at least one purple heart for a stubbed toe or bruising.... Purple hearts are a big deal, they would go very high on your board, and are nothing to scoff at. (Plus pay and benefits for his children)

Response by SGT Karolyn Smith made Apr 29 at 2015 1:31 PM

2015-04-29T13:31:03-04:00

"personal acts of valor above and beyond the call of duty"... He was a Damn good Sniper- but we have many Damn good Snipers, Nick Irving for one. Kyle was amazing, but no, he did his job like a mofo- but no more.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 15 at 2015 10:14 AM

2015-05-15T10:14:14-04:00

Med Evac pilots, Crewmen, and Medics save thousands of lives themselves. Their actions are never rated the highest honor either.

Chris Kyle was an amazing person, sailor, sniper.

Response by SFC William Farrell made Feb 3 at 2016 9:41 PM

2016-02-03T21:41:47-05:00

No. What he did while he served as a Navy SEAL was indeed heroic, it does not meet the requirements for the Medal of Honor. Texas may want to give him one of their own state awards if they havent done so already as he probably certainly deserves anything they have.

Response by GySgt William Hardy made Feb 4 at 2016 2:21 PM

2016-02-04T14:21:59-05:00

I have the deepest respect for Chris Kyle and the work he did; however, I believe that if he had done something worth the consideration of the Medal of Honor, it would have been and should have been considered at that time. I do not believe that just because he became famous after the movie came out that he and his career should be "reconsidered" for upping any previous actions or awards.

RIP Kyle. It was a hell of a great life you had up to the end.

Response by SFC Raymond Koeller made Feb 5 at 2016 10:39 AM

2016-02-05T10:39:16-05:00

Absolutely not!!

Response by SSG Larry Feasel made Feb 22 at 2016 10:56 AM

2016-02-22T10:56:32-05:00

Chris Kyle did not meet the requirements needed for an MOH award, plain and simple.

Response by SGT Jerrold Pesz made Sep 10 at 2016 5:54 PM

2016-09-10T17:54:00-04:00

No. He does not deserve the Medal of Honor.

Response by SFC Raymond Koeller made Sep 15 at 2016 4:53 PM

2016-09-15T16:53:21-04:00

No, this is clearly a politically motivated question.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 5 at 2016 2:57 PM

2016-10-05T14:57:55-04:00

For anyone who had served in the Marine Corps while in Iraq while he was there should not question this Seal's loyalty, devotion to duty and to his fellow comrades in arms. This individual has saved hundreds and maybe thousands from the pits of hell. Yes, Chris Kyle has my vote for the. Highest award given about and beyond the call of duty.

Response by MSgt James Mullis made Oct 6 at 2016 11:31 AM

2016-10-06T11:31:54-04:00

No!

Response by SGT Randall .jay Gamble made Oct 13 at 2016 12:25 PM

2016-10-13T12:25:11-04:00

my answer was yes , but if the gov. has not given it yet why they beating a dead horse and asking on here if he should get it.

Response by GySgt William Hardy made Oct 20 at 2016 4:15 PM

2016-10-20T16:15:32-04:00

RIP Chris Kyle. While he was alive he had already been awarded for his actions. We do not go back and change those awards just because he became famous afterwards. I have deep respect for him and others who have shown such courage, but it is over and done with...no, he should be considered for the MOH. If he rated consideration, it should have been while he was still alive and on active duty.

Response by SSG Larry Feasel made Oct 22 at 2016 5:50 PM

2016-10-22T17:50:45-04:00

Simply put, no. He in no way met the requirements for award of the MOH. Research the citations of MOH recipients during the Iraq and Afgan conflicts for the last decade. Do his actions compare to these? The MOH is typically awarded for a single act, not an accumulation of acts of valor, which individually, are not MOH qualifiers.

Response by SP5 Peter Keane made May 11 at 2018 1:11 PM

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Response by Sgt Dale Briggs made Jun 30 at 2018 6:44 PM

2018-06-30T18:44:10-04:00

I always thought the MOH was for valor beyond human comprehension, it's not a life time achievement award.

Response by CWO4 Gene A. made Jun 30 at 2018 7:16 PM

2018-06-30T19:16:42-04:00

Short and sweet. Not knowing the full details of his many deployments one would have to conclude that we are not in a position to make that determination. The movie cant be the determining factor. However, those that served with him and those he served under would be the best choices to make or contribute to making that determination. The average public doesnt understand the criteria for recognizing and recommending a warrior/Hero for the MOH. He truely was a warrior and hero. Did he meet the criteria for the MOH? Perhaps.

Response by Sgt John Koliha made Jun 30 at 2018 10:51 PM

2018-06-30T22:51:17-04:00

Citation reads something like this..

"For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life, above and beyond the call of duty."

Being a sniper seldom involves risk of live anywhere near that level.

Sorry, not MOH qualifying.

Response by 1LT Carl McKnight made Jul 1 at 2018 1:10 AM

2018-07-01T01:10:02-04:00

With all due respect, the MOH is not awarded by petition. This would set a terrible precedent.

Response by SFC Ralph E Kelley made Jul 1 at 2018 11:03 AM

2018-07-01T11:03:40-04:00

Respect to Chris Kyle but I think having a movie made about him was the main reason this has come up. No other explanation that I can figure.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Apr 16 at 2019 6:28 PM

2019-04-16T18:28:54-04:00

So let me guess. The crux of the matter is, serving with distinction (a body of work) vs an act that goes beyond the gallantry and intrepidity above and beyond the call of duty in an action.

Response by SSG Joseph VanDyck made May 12 at 2019 2:49 PM

2019-05-12T14:49:58-04:00

No.

Response by CW4 Craig Urban made May 12 at 2019 5:33 PM

2019-05-12T17:33:34-04:00

Absolutly. Look at my uncle Matt Urban LTC from ww2. Took the army until carter was president to have it awarded.

Response by MSG Danny Mathers made Dec 16 at 2020 6:30 PM

2020-12-16T18:30:56-05:00

NO!