Should a Soldier with a P-3 profile be eligible for Commission if found Fit-for-Duty with qualifications.

2014-03-27T02:18:36-04:00

I have had a really tough time getting a solid answer as to why I am unable to submit an ODC packet. I have a P-3 profile and take no events on the APFT. However, I have been medically boarded and found fit for duty, but my specialized condition is why I do not perform any events on the APFT. I maintain ht/wt standards and participate in ALL physical activities to include physical training except the APFT. Why is it that I can remain enlisted and get promoted but can't get commissioned? I can potentially be a SGM in less than 10 years, but I can't get commissioned as a 2LT. Who can I contact to get solid answers. Recruiters and career counselors have provided very minimal feedback without any regulations to justify their responses?

Response by Col Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 27 at 2014 2:39 AM

2014-03-27T02:39:18-04:00

SFC Ellis, good question, without getting into the details of Army regs (we'll save that for the Army professionals), I'd first ask if you've considered going Warrant Officer, and do you know if the physical requirements are the same as for commissioning? Also, have you, or would you, consider cross-service commissioning? If so, the physical requirements in another uniformed service may be different than those currently held by the Army. Just a couple of thoughts to consider...

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 27 at 2014 2:48 AM

2014-03-27T02:48:21-04:00

The MedBoard found you fit for duty as an E-7 but the standards for officers is different. I had a friend in college who went through the same thing. He blew out his knee in High School but was still able to enlist in the TXARNG. When he went through his ROTC physical they pulled his enlisted med records and found his knee injury and he had to get a waiver for it in order to be commissioned. I don't have the reg # for you but I will look around and see if I can find it for you.

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Mar 27 at 2014 2:56 PM

2014-03-27T14:56:13-04:00

One of those things that doesn't translate well from one service to another. I'm a Sailor a P-3 is a Maritime Reconn Plane.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 16 at 2014 10:03 AM

2014-04-16T10:03:08-04:00

SFC Ellis, <div><br></div><div>Below you will find the extract from the 600-100 (Appointment of Commissioned and Warrant Officers in the Regular Army. Initial Commissioning appointments are similar to initial enlistment appointments. You couldn't have joined the Army in your current profile state; thus, when commissioning (initially) you must meet those requirements. You will notice that there is an exception upon being commissioned (similar to enlisted, you maybe considered qualified if you are found for duty. </div><div><br></div><div>Another limiting factor SFC Ellis may also be your time in service. There are currently no waivers for TIS greater than 10 years at the time of commissioning. While I disagree with the current process of commissioning for prior enlisted. I do respect and understand that these policies exists and they do not determine your potential to serve in the capacity as a 2LT. It just eliminates your ability to apply for the position. For example, a U.S. person born abroad can never hold a position of the United States President but can be a Governor. Is that a limitation on that person's potential to serve in the capacity of being a President? Of course not; however, it does follow the laws of our founding fathers. Good Luck in your journey to commission. Please update the board if you find an exception to this policy as I am curious as well. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>AR 600-100 (Appointment of Commissioned and Warrant Officers in the Regular Army) </div><div>

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<p><span style="font-size: 10.000000pt; font-family: 'Times'; font-style: italic">a. </span><span style="font-size: 10.000000pt; font-family: 'Times'">An original appointment as a commissioned officer in the RA may be given only to a person who is physically
qualified for active service (see 10 USC 532(a)(4)). At the time of commissioning, individuals must meet medical
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(2) A waiver has been granted in accordance with AR 635–40.</span></p><p><br></p><p><b style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;"><font size="3"><span style="font-size: 16px; line-height: 19px;">Milper Message Number 13-180<br></span></font></b><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; line-height: 17px;">REGULAR ARMY FEDERAL OFFICER CANDIDATE SCHOOL PROGRAM PANEL AND REQUIREMENTS FOR FY 14</span><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; line-height: 17px;"><br></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; line-height: 17px;">Also states that people who fall into the category below cannot apply for OCS. </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; line-height: 17px;"><br></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; line-height: 17px;">J. SOLDIERS THAT REQUIRE WAIVERS FOR MEDICAL ISSUES OR ARE ENROLLED UNDER THE CONTINUATION OF </span><br soft="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; line-height: 17px;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; line-height: 17px;">ACTIVE DUTY (COAD) PROGRAM.</span><span style="font-size: 10.000000pt; font-family: 'Times'"><br></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10.000000pt; font-family: 'Times'"> </span></p>
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