Should a Soldier be forced to attend Air Assault School?

2014-01-31T14:50:29-05:00

So, I know very well this may open a can of worms however, I would love to hear some responses on this topic.  The deal is: The CG has a policy here that every able person will attend the Fort Campbell AA school.  I for one have no problem with this.  The problem I do have is being forced to send soldiers that do not want to attend or are not ready to attend.  I have been running an "AA PT program" for about 3 weeks now.  The previous one just wasn't producing enough ready soldiers.  I am doing everything im my power to get these soldiers ready, however the majority of them are not physically ready.  This is what I am trying to improve on.  The rest just don't want to attend in the cold weather.  I know there are some of you out there with this same issue.  I would love to hear how you are dealing with it or motivating your soldiers to go in the cold.

Response by CW2 Joseph Evans made Jan 31 at 2014 2:57 PM

2014-01-31T14:57:26-05:00

OML, if a Soldier doesn't want to attend when their name comes up, move 'em to the end.

If they don't want to attend (the school is a volunteer position) you can't "make" them, but the expectation should reflect on promotion and NCOERs if it is an expectation.

Also, be careful pushing to hard on the AA PT. No point breaking them before they get there.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 31 at 2014 4:05 PM

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Although I don't believe in making a person attend schools such as AA and Airborne…if it is the CGs policy…the best you can do is train the folks in the AA PT as best as you can.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 31 at 2014 4:22 PM

2014-01-31T16:22:17-05:00

I was under the impression that volunteer schools like Air Assault, Airborne, Master Gunner, etc. could not be compulsory. Why would you force a Soldier to attend training if they have no interest in going? Ultimately, aren't you preventing a Soldier who wants to attend the course from achieving that goal? Those courses are exeptionally challenging and are not meant for every Soldier.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 31 at 2014 4:48 PM

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I think it's a load of crap.  If my slot isn't coded for Air Assault, and I won't be using Air Assault skills on my job, you know, what the Army pays me to do...then it's a waste of the Army's time and money to send me to Air Assault school.  I'm 46, and so are my knees, and they're thanking me for it.<div><br></div><div>It sounds like a check the block item, not a character development item, and not a career item.  'Because I said so' is for privates and toddlers, and I am neither.</div><div><br></div>

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 31 at 2014 4:53 PM

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SFC Delaney, I am also at Fort Campbell and I agree with the CG's policy. My Brigade Commander and other commands have gone one step further and stated that you cannot hold a leadership position unless you are Air Assault qualified. I agree with their viewpoint for the following reasons. The fact is Fort Campbell is the only Air Assault Division in the Army (my CSM says in the world which may or may not be true). The CG was dismayed to learn upon his arrival that only 40% of Soldiers assigned were Air Assault qualified. When you identify a problem you must be prepared to offer a solution. He did this by increasing the number of classes offered and the number of cadre. Units that achieve 80% or higher Air Assault qualified personnel receive a streamer in recognition of their unit's effort in distinguishing themselves amongst other units. Currently very few unit's have this streamer. If Fort Bragg (which hasn't had an element below BN level jump into combat in about 30-40 years) allowed their number of Airborne qualified personnel to drop below 80% heads would role. As the premiere Division level specialty for the Army these units should remain relevant and ready. The second reason I agree with this push to increase the number of Air Assault qualified personnel is due to the fact that Air Assault operations are current and relevant. I have just returned from Eastern Afghanistan for the 3rd time (2nd time in 3 years) and the primary way we moved cargo, ammunition and equipment to include howitzers was through air assault operations. Prior to deploying I ensured that the 2 platoons I was leading and deployed with attended and passed Air Assault and Pathfinder schools. As I retrograded and closed out one of the worst Afghan Assistance Platforms/FOBs in the region I was glad that a majority of my Soldiers were Air Assault qualified. Our final retrograde required us to rig and move a 5,000 lb howitzer, 30 personnel, and 1700 lbs of ammunition on two CH-47s with 45 minutes to do so. Not to mention that the location was very kinetic and we conducted at least 12 medevacs using aircraft. <div><br></div><div> As far as Soldiers not wanting to go to school in the cold; that is a poor excuse. They should go when they are deemed ready and a slot is available. The enemy isn't going to make concessions for them in the cold, neither should you. The skills and discipline will pay dividends throughout their career. I am also responsible for Air Assault PT. I start with an initial assessment consisting of a smoke session, followed by a rope climb, followed by a smoke session followed by a 2 mile run with a 16 min time limit. The attrition rate is high, but those that pass are ready for the next phase, a foot march assesment and then on to Air Assault School. The rest of the Soldiers train to improve their areas of weakness and are placed on an OML. Everyone we send blows through the physical aspect and the cadre do a terrific job teach the fundamentals. I am not patronizing you at all, I want to make that clear due to the fact that this is print not verbal. I am just trying to offer a different perspective to look at the situation and share the best practices that I have learned and applied to my own Soldiers.</div>

Response by CPT Aaron Kletzing made Jan 31 at 2014 5:11 PM

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I've never been assigned to Fort Campbell, but this doesn't surprise me from what I have heard about Campbell and the 101st ABN. Anyway, I'd be curious to hear from people who are at Campbell now (or used to be) how this policy impacts espirit de corps and unit cohesion. Does this actually make people prouder and more motivated to be in the 101st? If so, then that's a decent argument for having the policy, though I know there are arguments the other way too.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 31 at 2014 5:12 PM

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SFC Delaney,

I completely agree with the policy because it's important that we maintain the 101st legacy built by the soldiers who preceded us. I'm one of the people who is having trouble meeting the standard, but I am still working toward being AA qualified and won't quit trying until I PCS.

Should not being ABN, AASLT, etc qualified prevent you from going to promotion board or NCOES?

Just found out that there are units who require Soldiers to attend a ABN, AASLT, or similar schools in order to be recommended for a promotion board or to even attend a NCOES school. Should not being...

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2014 4:15 PM

2014-02-01T16:15:29-05:00

SFC Delaney,

I wish I had the opportunity to go AA. I'm still hoping the Army sends me to an unit that would send me.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2014 4:16 PM

2014-02-01T16:16:16-05:00

I'm sorry, but this is absolutely ridiculous.  If I'm not going to ever use the skills in my duties, I shouldn't have to go to the school, because it's a waste of my time and the Army's time and money.<br><br>If you prevent me from going to Warrant Officer Advanced Course for my MOS because I don't want to attend Air Assault school, you know what you'll accomplish?  You'll accomplish the Army losing a damn good 255A.  I'll go where my core skillset is appreciated.<br><br>I did it once, when I transitioned from the AC to the RC.  As of May next year when my service obligation runs out and I'd be allowed to retire, I'd have no qualms with doing it again.<br><br><br>

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2014 5:35 PM

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I arrived at Fort Campbell in July of 1997 and met 1SG McDonald (Company 1SG). He asked me what my MOS was and some other questions. He then proceeded to ask me if I was AA qualified and I stated no. He quickly told me that he would not address me again unless I had wings on my chest.<div><br></div><div>I got to my Platoon and met SFC Watford (SHOPS PLT SGT) and he told me I needed to get ready for AA school and I told him I had no interest in going. He drilled me for an hour and I pulled out my sham shield and used it like a champ. That Friday SFC Watford decided to release the Platoon at 1400. We all packed up and got ready to leave and he pulled me aside and said SPC Quackenbush - you are going to stay behind and clean up the Platoon area. I thought it was BS and voiced my opinion but we played this game for weeks.</div><div><br></div><div>I put leave in one day and never heard back about it and when I inquired about it I was told it was on SFC Watford's desk. I went to see him and asked him about my leave. He asked me if I was ready to go to AA school and I said no. He told me my leave was denied because we were too busy at the moment. Our game of weekly cleanup got worse and finally I had enough and went back into his office on a Friday. The first question out of my mouth was when could I attend AA school. He smiled and said I would start on Monday and I told him fine let's do this. He smiled and told me to go home and enjoy some early time off on a Friday.</div><div><br></div><div>Can you do that today? Nope - IG will be so far up your pooper that you won't be able to fart without asking for their permission. I tell that story so others can see the mentality of the 101st back in the 90s. We were proud to be the only Air Assault Division. Those wings served me well when I left cause other Soldiers would say how much they would have loved to go to AA school.</div><div><br></div><div>The bottom line is it is the CG's policy and we will execute. When we were on rear d we structured a AA PT program that would allow a person to be all prerequisite complete in 5-7 days. If the Soldier was able to go to AA school then they went to AA PT. That same program is pushing Soldiers through at a good rate and we have steadily kept our quota.</div><div><br></div><div>Right now my unit is at 59% AA trained and we are pushing to obtain the streamer. I have sat with the CG on multiple occasions and gotten his insight/lectures on AA school. The fact of the matter is big Army wants to shut down the school to save money. Especially when our stats are so low. I cannot stand by and be a part of the 101st when it loses AA school due to Soldiers not wanting to go. I could not hold my head up high knowing it happened while I was on watch. I will do my part and help bring the pride back into the 101st.</div>

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2014 7:07 PM

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I just don't understand why some individuals decide to join the Army and not want to attend specialty schools and other types of training. Especially soldiers on active duty.

As a reservist would jump at the chance to participate in "AA PT program" to prepare for a guaranteed slot. Blows my mind the things that are taken for granted.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2014 10:00 PM

2014-02-01T22:00:32-05:00

Interesting topic SFC Delaney, and in my respectfully humble opinion, the 101st isn't the Ranger Regiment or SF it's a regular Army Divisional unit made up of people that are assigned by needs of the Army not volunteers. Your unit is just like all the others except your mode of transportation is a helicopter. Personally, I can respect the honor and traditions that the 101st has as the only Air Assault Division but cannot understand how it's mandated that people attend a course little alone if you're a leader and don't have it you don't get to be a leader? Hog wash! One of the best commanders I met in the 101st was BG Pete Johnson and he wasn't ASSLT qualified. The other point is what you learn there to what you must do in your everyday jobs. How often do you guys repel out of helicopters outside of what you do at the school? How often are you preparing sling loads in your units? And lastly, WTH does air assault school have to do with actually assaulting an objective in helicopters? 

Response by CSM Stuart C. O'Black made Feb 1 at 2014 10:24 PM

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<p>Our CCWO who is 52 years old just recently graduated. Our BDE SIP CW4 older than anyone in his class was a Honor Graduate out of 200 who started. Three CSM took and passed the course. Age is not always a factor.  All Soldiers will be leaders to include Warrant Officers and should lead by example. </p><p><br></p><p>However, to relate to some of the remarks in terms of no value if you been to combat in a Aviation Task Force you realize many things that AASLT teaches you are utilized in the field. We had numerous frustrated loads down range due to lack of Sling rigging & training. We sat on the gournd waiting for Soldiers to figure out their seatbelts.  ** Most importantly we had Soldier unfamiliar with being around aircraft walk up under the wrong part of the aircraft risking harm to themselves and the Air Crew. If nothing else it teaches you how to behave and have a respect for being around the aircraft and aviation operations. If you ever been under a CH-47 it can be an experience.</p><p><br></p><p>Everything in air assault school is already either required by AR 350-1, Post policy or in the PT Manual. So it should not be an issue dong it and we should be training the same tasks regardless. The O Curse is routinely on training schedules for PT and we will do our required 12 mile road marches. </p><p><br></p><p>I will leave the whole profession development aspect out but when the Army needs to cut Soldiers the ones that separate themselves from their peers rise to the top. Oh and it worth promotion points as well. I don't know why anyone would not want a chance to take two weeks off to rappel out or an Aircraft and become a more knowledgeable Soldier.  </p><p><br></p><p>It is really about the whole physical thing that freaks Soldiers out - which means they are not in the shape they should be and our PT programs need work - how many fail after day 1 or before the road march? VERY FEW. </p><p><br></p><p>Finally as said we are the 101st Air Assault division be proud of your heritage.</p>

Response by SFC Nicolzie Russell made Feb 2 at 2014 3:36 AM

2014-02-02T03:36:53-05:00

Our leaders keep pushing us to train Soldiers who are sooo obviously not ready. I know like back in the day we would get pushed into waters; either we would sink or swim. Because of our pride we would swim, float or what ever we had to do to make our COC proud. But now we deal with the political Soldier " WHY" "WHY" "WHY" ... Really... They are not as mentally strong, well they are but in another direction lol.... But nevertheless they are lazy, not ready and don't want to be ready. Do not get me wrong I have 1 or 2 hungry Soldiers out of 10 that want to show how outstanding they are and I want to reward them and over train them if that is possible. I just need to know that after I leave there are quality trained Soldiers to continue the mission, whether its Commo , FA, Cooks, Air Assault, or whatever. Soldier will not get 100% trained unless they really want it. It's like a crack head that will not get help or clean unless they truly want it...Rough analogy lol..............

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2014 12:34 PM

2014-02-02T12:34:22-05:00

For what my two cents are worth...YES! If you were the 101st patch on the left shoulder, you SHOULD want to be part of what makes this unit special. It simply it what it is. My BN has a very good AA PT training program and has the numbers to back that statement. I still struggle with encouraging my Soldiers to go...but I get very personal with them and challenge them, mentally. Each one is different, but I make it VERY clear that earning that badge is important to me as their PSG. Most respond in the positive and the Soldiers and NCOs in my platoon are pushing each other to go, so it takes care of itself. Like 1SG Quackenbush stated, life can be much more pleasant by earning that badge.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2014 5:19 PM

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I think that Air Assault should focus more about the skillset needed for Air Assault missions and not "hey, let's throw this in too" idealism.

1. Ingress/Egress drills

2. Water landing/rollover

3. Rapelling/fast roping

4. Special Patrol Insertion/Extraction training (SPIE rigging)

See the trend?

What is the point of Air Assault? To facilitate airmobile assaults from Helicopters or to facilitate admin moves of equipment and ensure that students can complete a 12 mile ruck march within 3 hours?

(I can see the 12 mile ruck having to do with land, then assault an objective 12 miles away or less but realistically since you have helicopters you are most likely going to insert FAR closer than that)

In the year I was in Afghanistan I never saw a helicopter pick up a sling load from a COP or FOB. They would always be loaded by the logistics experts at Jalalabad or another large FOB then get the cargo moved to the smaller COPs and FOBs. If something was needed to be moved from that point they moved it on the CLP.

When security is a concern I've never seen a helo do a sling load pickup. (And if it did they sent in specially trained guys as in aircraft recovery and whatnot)

These schools should be hard. There should be a learning curve and there should be standards. I just think that if you want to get the most people trained so whereas you can execute your mission you need to just ensure that the Soldiers that are going to actually use it get the training they need.

There should be two different phases of Air Assault School- a Combat Phase and a Combat Logistics phase. Without fail anybody in my platoon or company in Afghanistan couldn't remember any more than the absolute basics when it came to sling loading things because they never did it after the school.

With the training schedules (Team, Squad, Plt and Company STX and live fires, Training off Fort Campbell (JRTC, Fort Knox, etc) and the other thousand things that we do as Infantrymen there's just not time to schedule sling load training- nor is there the gear present in the standard line units to do it in the first place.

Train as you fight, we say it all the time but on a fairly regular basis we fail to actually execute our training that way.

Air Assault should focus on insertion and extraction methodology for the combat arms and focus on the logistical side of execution for the non-combat arms.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2014 5:31 PM

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I have never been afforded the opportunity to attend AA. However, if I were afforded the opportunity in the future I would gladly attend. Skill badges help seperate the Professional Soldier from the ones who are there to collect a paycheck. I was given the opportunity to qualify for the Schützenschnur and I gladly went an earned the badge. It was a great experience working with and learning from our German counterparts. When in the company of foreign militaries someone always asks about it. As a younger Soldier I went out for the EFMB and did not qualify. Given the chance I would try again.

There is a reason why skill badges are given Promotion Points... they are there to seperate the Professional Soldier from the ones who are there to collect a paycheck.

When being looked at for the Senior NCO ranks... they are there to seperate the Professional Soldier from the ones who are there to collect a paycheck. Am I sounding like a broken record yet?

Response by Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2014 7:09 PM

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<p>There are four types when it comes to candidates for AASLT from my observations at FCKY.</p><p><br></p><p>1) Willing and able = motivated, self starters, initiative, determined, perseveres, leadership inclined Soldiers, takes advice of their mentors IOT progress ahead of peers</p><p><br></p><p>2) Willing not able = injured, overweight, or profile Soldiers who have limitations, yet still exhibit motivation</p><p><br></p><p>3) Not willing but able = unmotivated, junior Soldiers, lacking potential, reached career peak, lazy, does the minimum, does not know the phrase "job well done"</p><p><br></p><p>4) Not willing not able = waiting to get chaptered, flagged, lacking leadership potential, no initiative</p><p><br></p><p>CYA with professional development counselings listing your expectations of your subordinates to become leaders they must Be, Know, Do and how AASLT qualification meets a small portion of Be, Know, Do. This goes for all things. Jumpmaster, SAMC, NCO of the Month boards, etc.</p><p><br></p><p>Just my .02 cents, good luck</p>

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2014 9:06 PM

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SFC Delaney I think that you know now it's a can of worms that is open in ever CO/BN/BDE in the 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault). I want to start by saying this is one school I wish I had, I am now a little older with bad knees and a repaired bicep tendon tear that I can no longer climb a rope.

I want to share this, do not want to go and not ready to go, are two different problems. Problem one, do not want to go but physical able to go; well the CG said we will go if we are physical able, that is enough said right there with that problem. Talking with many folks through out the DIV some BDE have bar Soldiers to re-enlist for being fully capable to go but refuses to go, while other BDE have flagged Soldiers for the same, and some are doing nothing yet as the BDE/BN is meeting the quota set by the CG of sending Soldiers to AA school each month. I have learned for NCO's it's showing on the NCOER, and for SR NCO you will not hold a leadership position. Any 1SG that you see in the job right now that is not AA qualified will not have that job at the end of their 24 months unless they complete AA from what I understand (I do not have any confirmation on that fact, all of what I have heard from others in the DIV).

Problem number two, not ready to go but willing; that is a leadership issue, as SFC Flood said controled over the top PT will get Soldiers ready, but at the same time some of the AA PT programs are hurting Soldiers as well, we as leaders have to ensure we watch that fine line and have the right people running the program. I know that some folks are going to say what do I know, I am not AA! What I am talking about is the young SGT that still does not know how to do a extended rectangle formation just barking at the Soldiers on AA PT, or belittling a Soldier for not being able to climb a rope and not teaching them how to climb the rope.

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Feb 2 at 2014 9:18 PM

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My 2 cents: sending soldiers to a specific training without proper training and testing sets the soldiers up for failure. Sending a soldier to a training they do not want to go to is fine; as soldiers and leaders we will do things we do not want to do which will allow us to test our limits and test our abilities.

Response by SGT Ben Keen made Feb 3 at 2014 10:25 AM

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I think the policy should stand.  It's up the NCOs in the unit to do their job much like you are doing SFC D, and get them ready to attend the 10 toughest days in the Army.  However, I would not accept an excuse like "it's to cold" or whatever.  If you look at the Soldier and he or she isn't physically or mentally ready to go then hold them but if they are ready, tape up their canteens and helmet and get them to the gates of the Sabalauski School.

Response by SSG Jason Neumann made Feb 3 at 2014 10:42 AM

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In my opinion, if you are able bodied you should go to Air Assault School. If you are stationed here at Fort Campbell, most likely are in an Air Assault slotted position. Just like Fort Bragg, you are most likely going into an Airborne slotted position. When I got to Bragg, there was a SFC waiting for a slot for Jump school before they would send him to his unit. There have been some "seasoned" Soldiers who have gone through both Air Assault and Airborne School and completed them, so why can't some young Soldier do that as well? What I have heard from a little birdie, is if you are at Fort Campbell and have been offered numerous chances to go to Air Assault School, but refuse, you will most likely find yourself hitting the high road. Now, this is all hear say,but the way the military is heading now I can see this happening. Plus, if you head to Air Assault or any type of school your MOS doesn't specifically require. You can and should stand out from the rest when going to the promotion board of all ranks. Just something to think about when letting your Soldiers know. Just my two cents.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2014 6:06 PM

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I understand the CGs policy and all but being part of MEDDAC it seems a little silly for me to waste a slot in AA school. I cannot imagine I will EVER be repelling from a helicopter to hand out meds.

Response by SSG Christopher Horton made Feb 3 at 2014 6:43 PM

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Basically, if the CG says "All Fort XXX soldiers will go to AA School." Then it makes it 'Organizational' like wearing the maroon baret (I was at Fort Bragg, NC). Therefore, that makes it post policy.

Fort Campbell, KY for the whole 21 years I was in the Army, was Air Assault. And from what I can gather, a sense of pride. If it is a policy, then every soldier is obligied to follow that policy (It is not unlawful to go to AA school), then it must be followed to thr best of the soldiers ability.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2014 10:50 PM

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SFC Delaney,

I used to run the NAAP PT program for my unit when I was a SGT/E5, so I understand how difficult it can be to get certain individuals that don't have an athletic bone in their bodies into shape. If they want it bad enough they will do whatever they can to get into shape. The thing about your post that bothers me is the motivating soldiers to go in the cold. Last time I checked we are in the Army and just because I don't want to be in the cold never kept me from being in the cold. Bottom line that is a poor excuse not to go to AA school and carry on the tradition of such a prestigious division as the 101st. What happens when these soldiers deploy and they have to complete a mission in the cold? Are they just going to say to hell with that and wait till Spring. This is the type of attitude that is making our Army weaker by the minute. If we are allowing our Soldiers to pick and choose when they want to BE Soldiers then its time to hang up the uniform.

Response by SFC Robert Alsup made Feb 3 at 2014 10:53 PM

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Ok what about a SFC with 20 years who is a 15T(Blackhwak Crewchief)and has never been stationed at Bragg, Campbell or Drum and has never attended airborne or air assault school?

Response by SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL made Feb 3 at 2014 11:15 PM

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I think a Soldier should not be forced to attend Air Assault, I made it through day 5 and got dropped in day 6 in FEB 2007. It is a demanding school. You should have a purpose for the unit and a bigger calling and not for self, like I see some Soldiers that attend the prestigious school. It should be on voluntary basic.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2014 11:27 PM

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After reading what everyone has had to offer on this topic I can see both sides. Some arguments stronger than others… I say that more training is never a bad thing and as the needs of the Army change so goes the training. Air Assault operations are an important part of sustaining a deployed force. Do the best you can to ensure that your Soldiers are ready for anything. If they fail, retrain and send again. If they don't want to do go because its cold or any reason, that is the equivalent of refusing to train. Totally unacceptable! That is not the Soldier we want in our ranks. Would we be having this discussion if someone did not want to go to the range and qualify if it were raining out?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2014 11:57 PM

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I find it hard to believe that there are soldiers who don't want to go to school, especially a big one like Air Assault.  Maybe that's just my point of view from the Guard talking though.  Money and slots for schools are in short supply.  I'd pack and leave tomorrow if I had the opportunity.  SFC Delaney, I hope your soldiers will take advantage of the opportunities and training available to them.  Besides, the weather isn't cold...it's refreshing.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2014 12:29 AM

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One good thing about Air assault school is the fact that it's is one the the few schools still remaining that is open to any MOS, any Soldier regardless of age or gender. Within the limits of their profile. Really it's not physical demanding. Ok so you have to climb a rope and negotiate a few obstacles and complete a 12 mile ruck. That's nothing any adult man or woman who has pride in calling themselves a Soldier should not be able to accomplish. Air Assault school is so much more than fast roping from a helicopter. It instills discipline and attention to detail, qualities that the Army was established through. So much training in the Army has converted to online and distance learning. Regardless if you ever secure a sling load or secure an LZ. It's real hands on training and knowledge gained through real time professional instructors training. There are a lot of required training now days in the army that may never apply to your daily duties mandated through AR 350-1. They are command directed and we still do them right? So what is the difference. Knowledge is power and Soldiers should be proud to have the opportunity to explore themselves and earn the air assault badge versus sitting at some computer tapping a way at some pointless slide show to print a certificate. Bottom line is we are Soldiers and Soldiers train to better themselves, their unit and this nation. If your not trying to be a team player and take a little pride in yourself and your unit then maybe the army is better off without you.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2014 4:49 AM

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<p>SFC Delaney,</p><p> </p><p>As a leader and junior NCO I had to struggle with not only preparing myself for AA school but also preparing my soldiers. At 256 pound and a herniated disk in my back I was strongly against going to the course because I did not think that I was physically capable of passing the course. After having a long talk with a senior NCO I realized that every reason that I had for not attending the school was nothing more than an excuse.</p><p> </p><p>After taking the position of Platoon Sergeant I started to push my soldiers to go through the school although I had not gone ( successfuly graduated) myself. I took the time to get myself physically and mentally ready and not only graduated the course but went on to graduate the Rappel Masters Course. In a nut shell, Its all on the soldier and how bad they want it. I use the AA school as a motivational tool for my soldiers. I let each and every soldier know that AA school is a gateway at Fort Campbell. If they want to go to leadership schools while they are assigned as one of my soldiers, they will show me and the unit that they can do what it takes to get through Air Assault and then we will use that as a foundation to send them to other schools.  This method has proven effective in my Platoon. </p><p> </p><p>Air Assault School is not just a course its a 101st tradition! Why would you not want to be apart of a legacy?</p>

Response by SSG Gerhard S. made Feb 4 at 2014 7:34 AM

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I attended Air Assault Course in 1985 and volunteered to do so while stationed at Ft. Devens Ma with Signal Co, 10th SFG (A) and graduated as a Distinguished Graduate. I remember even then hearing complaints of 101st personnel who were ordered to attend.

It is my belief that the course should be Voluntary, as are the Basic Airborne Course, and Ranger School, and personnel should not be assigned to the unit unless they Volunteer to attend the course.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2014 8:10 PM

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To cold is not an option to attend Air Assault school.
Every time this comes from a soldiers mouth here, it is explained to them about the Battle of the Bulge, and how much less they have to really worry about when attending the course.
A soldier is not given the choice. Last time I remember, they all signed a dotted line to serve. Sometimes, you have to suck it up and go, wether you like it or not.
I can not wait until September 2015.
No more of this softer Army that it has become.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2014 8:20 PM

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I feel if you are in certain divisions with specialized mission training like the 82nd or 101st you should complete that training. Especially if you are in a leadership position or want to hold a leadership position.

When I was a E-3 my 1SG could not go through Air Assault school due to a profile, since he could not attend he did not force anyone to attend, but he highly encouraged.

If you were in the 82nd and the BDE CSM told you that you must attend Airborne school and he was not even Airborne qualified would there be any weight to that?

So in short, I think you should to a point as long as it is not do as I say.

Response by COL Jason Smallfield, PMP, CFM, CM made Feb 4 at 2014 8:25 PM

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Another way to ask this question is "should a Soldier in a unique organization be forced to attend a school that is critical part of making that organization unique?"  This means air assault for the 101st, airborne and AAS (jumpmaster) for the 82nd, ranger school for the Ranger Regiment, etc.  When looked at from this point of view I think the answer is an obvious yes.  The leaders within these organizations are tasked with providing a unique capability for the nation (operational forced entry for 101st, strategic forced entry for the 82nd, special ops capability for the Ranger Regiment).  This capability is inhibited when individuals can not or will not learn the skills necessary to function effectively within that organization.  Imagine how long a professional football player would last in the NFL who refused to block and tackle.  It begs the question that, if a Soldier does not want to go to the school then why are they in that organization to begin with?  In a down sizing Army, I would think this places that Soldier who refuses at a higher probability of being thanked for their Service and shown the door out of the Army.  They volunteered to join and won't be forced to stay.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2014 8:59 AM

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well my unit wont send me to any school at all. i been here 2 years and keep asking to go. But they dont send anybody and that is bad for me my mos is at 798 to promote to E-5 and i can use all the point i can get. What can i do

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2014 9:44 AM

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So a soldier shows up to a "Air Assault" unit and does not want go to AA School. He would not be loving his life if I was his PSG. What he "wants" does not have a thing to do with it. He is going and going until he completes it. Or transfer his butt out of the unit to the most miserable place in the Army.

The AA badge was introduced when the 101st was taken off jump status in 1974 or so. The 101st still wanted to maintain that "esprit de corps" it had on jump status. So if you are wearing a Screaming Eagle on your shoulder, you should have a AA Badge on your chest. You have to pay your dues if you want to be in certain units. His is to quit being a "sad sack" for 10 freaking days and earn a bullwinkle badge.

The ideal program would be as soon as you sign into the 101st …you report into AAS for "zero day" and if you fail, you recycle into the next class. The other option is for the non-AASLT personal in the Plt do the details, extra PT, etc.

Frankly I'm amazed at the question of "motivating soldiers go to AAS" in the cold. Remind them of their units heritage, ie the Battle of the Bulge. Or the Valley Forge, Korea or any number of other places where the American Fighting man has bleed and died in the snow. Afghanistan gets pretty d@^^ cold as well. Not to mention his CoC has done it, his peers have done it, so if he wants to be on the team…he needs to do it.

On the physical fitness part of AAS, I didn't think it was that hard. If a soldier can pass a APFT and ruck with about 45lbs plus water, they should not have a problem.

Just my .02

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2014 11:59 AM

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short answer, yes! If they want to be a 101st Airborne Division Soldier, then they need to attend the school, period.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2014 6:35 PM

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<p>Why is this even a discussion if it is the CGs policy?  If the CG say do it, then do it, no room for discussion.  Here is my take on it:</p><p>1. You don't want to go to AA when your name comes up, then you slide all the way to the bottom of the OML and wait your turn again.</p><p>2. No other schools, except WLC etc., until you are AA qualified.</p><p>3. Sorry but no company command or 1SG position until you are AA qualified. You want to be a leader, then walk the walk.</p><p>4. You should already be in good enough physical shape to attend AA school. Its not like your going through Ranger School. If you have to run a pre AA PT program, then maybe your units PT isn't challenging enough. </p>

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2014 8:48 PM

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I'm in 3rd Brigade, and would love to go. However....I'm having certain issues with passing the obstacle course and wouldn't make it past day one. Now, I'm heading out to Recruiting School and won't have enough time to make it thru the 10 day class.

Response by SFC Cornelius Walsh made Feb 6 at 2014 11:02 AM

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It certainly makes sense for the Air Assault division, much like USASOC has the policy that all assigned Soldiers will attend the Basic Airborne Course. That being said, you shouldn't be sending Soldiers that are not yet physically ready - fill the school slots with the best, so that more Soldiers across the Army can gain that skill set. I'd love to go at some point in the next few years.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2014 11:07 AM

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I'd never make it no matter how much I trained. Some people aren't made to be PT studs.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2014 9:55 AM

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I will pose this question, how many Air Assault missions have any of us been on lately? However, if it is the CGs policy then they should go. Regardless of weather or not it is cold or they are physically not ready to go. My thoughts are if you are not physically ready after three weeks of additional AA PT then are the units enforcing regular PRT through out normal duty days? It would seem that they are not. The units should be held accountable. The Army is downsizing so if Soldiers do not want to posses the motivation or intestinal fortitude to go then send them to the house. This may seem harsh but there are people here in the USA who are homeless, cold and hungry everyday. They would LOVE the oportunity to be able to join the Army and get paid for doing pretty much not a whole heck of a lot every day. The Army is not a JOB. it is a way of life. If you can't adapt to it then you should separate yourself and find a way of life that you can adapt to. Just my humble opinion.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2014 11:17 AM

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SFC Delaney, you can always make Soldiers go but you cant make them pass. That applies to every other school, I have seen my command make people go to Jumpmaster school. That is not safe to do cause you are putting Soldiers lives endanger and the other if they get there they will fail something and keep doing it until they decide to not send them back, at the end of the day they will still be in the unit.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2014 5:39 AM

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I don't think a soldier should be forced to attend a course unless it's mandatory to be in the unit. With that, have them attend the course in route to the unit. Honestly, I'm not familiar with Air Assault School since I haven't been, so I'm not sure if it would work, but this system seems to be working with Airborne School. With Special Operations, if you don't pass the course, your orders get changed.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2014 11:04 AM

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I don't know if I agree with sending everyone, but I definitely agree with sending anyone who wants to go!
I'd love to go to Air Assault school, but I recognize not everyone does or would be interested in that sort of thing.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2014 2:41 PM

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If it is a CG Policy, which it was when I arrived at FTCKY in 94, then what is the question? Either do what the policy states, or have it reflected by being put at the bottom of the OML, and the only school you get before you finish AASLT, is WLC. Many of the comments here hit it dead on (1) Following the policy of leaders (i.e. the C.G.) (2) it is for the unique mission of that unit (3) understand how to operate around A/C . . . We had a guy go through 19 Zero days until he finally admitted to the 1SG being afraid of heights. He went, dealt with his fear, passed. As for being reflected on evaluations, I think this might touch on several Army values, just as above the guy who face a personal fear; placing the needs of Army and unit above self; as well as simple leadership.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2014 2:57 PM

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SFC Delaney,

I was stationed at FTCKY for 3 years, but between deploying to Iraq and Afghanistan, going on multiple TDYs, and contending with the unit training schedule, I never got the chance to go to AA school. The one opportunity that I did have, I was denied because there was a policy (although I never saw it in writing) saying that we could not go until we completed the NCOES for our rank. I tried going to AA school when we got back from Afghanistan, but my ALC dates were locked in for well after my PCS date. I finally had time to go, but I wasn't allowed!

Personally, I wanted to go to AA school, but I don't think forcing Soldiers to go is the right answer. Soldiers should want to stand out from their peers; they should want to get AA qualified so they can get promoted faster and hold better leadership positions. I would not want one of my leaders to be in his/her position because they were forced into it. Leaders should lead because they want to. Having said that, I don't think that going to AA school will make someone an outstanding leader, but I do think that it shows they have the motivation and determination to put forth the effort to succeed. Going to schools gives Soldiers and leaders the tools to be successful, and they should seek that out on their own with encouragement from their leadership. If an able-bodied Soldier has an opportunity to attend AA, but they don't want to, annotate that in their NCOER/OER, or on a DA FORM 4856 for PV1-SPC. In today's downsizing Army, we should let the chaff weed itself out. If a Soldier is unable to go due to medical, family emergency, etc., reasons, that's one thing, but not wanting to go because it is cold...? I can imagine what a promotion board member would think if they read "refused to attend Air Assault school for fear of discomfort in cold weather" on an evaluation. Do we really want to retain Soldiers with these types of attitudes when we are all trying to compete to stay in the Army?

I think that equating the 101st to the 82nd is a bad comparison. As far as I know, Soldiers need to be Airborne qualified BEFORE they get to an Airborne unit. If the 101st wants to make being AA qualified the standard, then wouldn't it make sense to screen for that off the bat? I lean more towards making it a requirement to be assigned to the 101st in the first place, rather than force an unmotivated Soldier to go through school.

Response by 1SG Edward Tushar made Mar 10 at 2014 3:33 PM

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I read this post and had fond memories of being told "If you are going to be a 1SG in this Division then you will go to AASLT School." I did go at the young age of 39 and upon graduating was laterally promoted to 1SG. I believe if you are going to be a leader in the 101st Airborne Division then you have to have Air Assault since it has proven to be a very effective means of movement during Desert Storm and heavily used in both Iraq and Afghanistan. I do not believe Soldiers in the ranks of SPC or below should be forced to attend. However, it will happen because of "allocations" that have to be filled. It has been a normal way of doing things in the Army that will not change no matter what the school is. Slots will get filled. I think there is a benefit to the AA PT program as well so keep up the good work! I should also mention that I attended the school at the end of January which was none too warm! It is mind over matter especially the last trial of the school - the 12 mile road march. I crossed the line and the Instructor said, "MSG - you came in with only 5 minutes to spare!" I looked at him dead in the eye and said, "Apparently I was going to fast." LOL.

Response by SPC Ryan Lodge made Mar 10 at 2014 6:28 PM

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in 97 I had to force my platoon sgt to let me go when I got there from korea. aa school isn't that hard. I think yes. the school other than the road march is all mental toughness. I was there 5 days went to school and passed pretty easy. at that time I was 24 and got aprrox. 240 on pt test

Response by 1SG Michael Blount made Mar 11 at 2014 7:30 AM

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I'd love to go. I'd probably set the record for the Army's oldest AASLT graduate. Being a reservist, I don't understand why anybody in their right mind would turn down AASLT School if offered. We have the devil's own time trying to get there.

Hey - next time somebody turns down AASLT School, can I go?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 19 at 2014 2:19 PM

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Here is a question, I was very fortunate to attend SLIC (Sling Load Inspector Course) the week during 9-11-01, I will never forget where I was when that happened. After completion of that course I was charged with standing up a sling load platoon for my Unit (A. Co. 53rd BSB FL National Guard) During our weekend drills and AT that is what we did, sling load supplies forward to the INF BNs. Then in 2003 I was asked to go to US Army Pathfinder school and I earned my torch. Then in 2008 I deployed with 3rd IBCT-1st INF to Afghanistan and because I was the most the senior Pathfinder in the Cav Sguadron my unit supported I was selected to be the S3 Air and the senior sling load OIC in our AOR. I had to figure out how to safely sling load some very unique external loads that are not taught in AA School or Pathfinder School its knowing your air items and how to use them in a very unique situation. I have not attended AA school due to medical limitations but with my experience in AA operations and Sling Load Ops I can lead by example in the AA world without being an AA school grad. The question is with my experience should I still be forced to go?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 15 at 2014 10:21 PM

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God yes please. I've been biting and clawing to get a slot. I'd love to.

Response by SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 19 at 2014 2:26 PM

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As a member of the 101st band, I am glad they are so desperate for soldiers to attend. Without the 70% requirement, I would have no chance of going! The only hard thing is getting a weeks notice before day zero. I would like to train to be ruck march champion but with such short notice, it puts a damper on my goals.
The other hard part is that people who are not ready are being forced to go and fail just to fill a seat. The band is now being forced to send one person to every day zero (about 6 per month). There are only 35 people in the band and only about 3 that are ready. This reflects poorly on those who fail because they were forced to attend.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 1 at 2014 4:58 PM

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Absolutely should be a requirement, if a soldier doesn't have the drive, motivation or physical fitness (not including perminant profiles/legitimate physical issues) the may want to rethink there career choice. Not only is the "esprit de corps" but the skills taught in the school can only better a soldier.

Response by SGT Richard H. made Aug 2 at 2014 5:57 PM

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While I certainly agree with the statements that AA can't make you a good leader, I would have to counter that statement by saying that a lack of proficiency in your unit's dedicated mission, or more specifically YOUR JOB makes for a BAD leader. I agree with the CG on this.

Response by CPT Jacob Swartout made Aug 2 at 2014 6:39 PM

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I had to wait 7 months to finally get into the Air Assault School at Ft Campbell in 07. I was told there weren't enough slots available to send me earlier when I kept asking upon arrival to the unit. We had about 25-30 Soldiers on the OML. I was told when I first arrived at the unit that approx. 10 of them failed on purpose so that they wouldn't pass Day 0 and their names would go back on the bottom of the OML. I didn't participate in AA PT but did enough on my own on weekends and during the week. I graduated the AA school in October that year.

Response by SPC David S. made Aug 4 at 2014 1:49 PM

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With the direction the Army is headed I feel all soldiers should at least know the basics with helo supported operation. While some of this training could be acquired in the field I think it would ideal for soldiers to know their security responsibilities for boarding and un-boarding, safety in regards to emergency landing and tail rotor.
As far as the other stuff like CSAR, MEDEVAC, and fast rope that's AASLT and or SOAR. I certainly understand your concerns with the PT aspects as 120' of green line is no joke. However I'm not sure what branches you are having issues. SF, CAV, IN and MP should all be fit in my opinion to attend. Other branches I do not think would need to attend the full AASLT. Just my thoughts on the matter.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 17 at 2014 10:16 AM

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Here's an issue I have right now. My unit is on Rear D, and I am in a NCO/Leadership position as a SPC. I have been in for over 9 yrs and fighting daily to make SGT since 2009. Tell me why I cannot get recommended for the board without AASLT? They cannot hold a person back from advancing in their career just cause he/she is not AASLT qualified. I mean nowhere in the Army regulation does it say that a Soldier MUST HAVE AASLT before being recommended for promotion. I understand that the CG wants all leaders to be AASLT qualified, but how does this stop someone from advancing to the next rank?

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Dec 10 at 2014 10:41 AM

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I feel for you Top. I got assigned to the 101st just so I knew I would get the school. In the day, there were no leadership positions for nn -AA q'd sldiers. Has that changed? One would think that is the motivation for attending. I have heard that it is physically/mentally harder than airborne but have nothing to compare it to. You have to volunteer for airborne, but not air assault. As a soldier, if you fear a 90ft tower or a helicopter ride, I am concerned. As soldiers, we are expected to shoot, move, and communicate. If they want you going down a rope instead of landing, move down the rope, move by any means. I did zero day at least 6 times at Drum and Campbell just for the opportunity to get a unclaimed slot. NEVER turn down a school. Perhaps this is why they changed from "Be ALL that you can be" to "An Army of One" and "Army Strong". Some soldiers will always be "stronger" than others.

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Dec 10 at 2014 11:05 AM

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I am in a unit where we conduct weekly road marches. I an can do a 20k in less than 4 hours but more than 3 hours. I know I need to improve on that if I go to AA school. Sending me now would not be a good idea. After I get my 20k down to 3 hours or better I can probably passed the AA ruck march. I definitely don't think it's a good idea to send Soldiers who are not ready.

Response by SGT Michael Glenn made Dec 10 at 2014 11:05 AM

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I find it awkward to even see this discussion, whats wrong with being AA qualified?? has the Army changed that much??? In Germany the German Army allows its soldiers to choose if they want to do anything or not, Field problem???dont feel like it Top so Im not going...Obstacle course???dont feel like it TOP .... deployment to Iraq??not on your life Top !!!! this is not an Army. Back in the day when I served it was most every soldiers ambition to be all they could be which meant pounding down the chains door to get a slot in some school or another and to wear the badges proudly when we went home on leave and everyone saw us, I remember being in a air port sporting my dress greens, fresh hair cut and a little boy and his father walked up to me and the father asked if his son could ask me a few questions, I gladly accepted and got down to his eye level.His 1st question was if I was a Marine or not, after telling him no he asked what all the things on my Jacket were for which I told him, his response was that he wanted to be cool like me and be a soldier and make even more medals than I had. It was an issue of pride I guess, something that seemingly lacks in todays ranks.

Response by MSG Wade Huffman made Dec 10 at 2014 12:47 PM

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I'm absolutely positive that thing have changed since I was stationed there MANY years ago, but I clearly remember while I was still in the 101st Replacement Detachment, sitting in the post theater while the Division CSM gave us our 'welcome briefing' which included the statement that (as nearly as I can remember)
"Air Assault is a voluntary school and no one on this installation can MAKE you go (long pause...) there ARE however, MANY MANY people on this installation who can, and will make you wish you HAD gone!"
On a side note, I went! LOL!

Response by SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 11 at 2014 12:10 PM

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Well I look at it like this, no they don't have to attend AA school, but then they will have to find other parts of the Army to serve. They are assigned to an Air Assault unit, ergo, they need to be AA qualified. The 82nd has the same policy, get assigned there, you need to go to jump school. If you don't want to, well that is fine, I am sure Korea is lovely this time of year. Well at least it did when I was there, I wouldn't see any reason that has changed.

And for the excuse that it's too cold, come on, seriously. If that is there is excuse, I can think of potential soldiers to sequester...

Response by SSG Jim Foreman made Dec 11 at 2014 4:22 PM

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Seems like a easy answer. If the CG wants everyone to go to Air Assault school then it is the job of the NCO to get troops up to speed. If someone can't make the grade deal with them on a case by case bases.

Response by MSG Martin Griffith made Dec 21 at 2014 5:24 AM

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After 8 1/2 years with the 101st, most as a Senior NCO, I can definitely understand your question. It was (and still is) a question of readiness in a division designed to sling load, fast rope, and live or die by lz/pz operations. Although several board - certified barracks lawyers attempted to argue the point, unsuccessfully I might add, you can use voluntary non-attendance as a discriminator in a competitive promotion environment. Leaders can't oversee tactical operations which they are unqualified to participate in. Of course, you know all of that already though.

I attended both Air Assault and Pathfinder in cold weather there, and far preferred it to the 100+ degree days of summer. I was able to successfully use that fact to motivate, as well as the competitive promotion advantage. Soldiers love to stand out front and take charge in small groups too. I used to let Air Assault graduates lead PT formations and other training events. Eventually those who wanted to lead understood and would line up for the chance rather than lose out to their peers.

Response by 1LT(P) Josh Coats made Dec 27 at 2014 1:47 PM

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1SG, I am guessing that it is a bit easier to find qualified Soldiers to attend now that the unit has redeployed? That said, and having witnessed your efforts first hand. Do you think it would be useful to OPCON the AA students to the AA school until they passed? We transfer the Soldier to AA and when they pass they return. If the school took ownership and could not send back a Soldier for showing up without tape on their canteen, we would have a much better through-put rate. The school would need barracks and more staffing, but if it is truly a priority then let the budget reflect it.
I believe you were doing everything you could do to meet the requirement without dropping other taskings.

Response by 1SG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 27 at 2014 5:16 PM

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1SG, Many good points of views stated here. But to get back to your original question. Most Soldiers physically able to attend that do not want to attend is due to fear or unpreparedness. This is where NCOs utilize their influence and good ole PT skills to ensure that such Soldiers are fit (proper weight regardless of PT score) capable and motivated to negotiate AA school. Regardless of our thoughts weather or not a leader should be AA qualified it is our mission in the 101st ABD. Soldiers will benefit from attending while acquiring skills they wouldn't have otherwise. However, I do not agree with sending a Soldiers unprepared. I am in 101st as well, and I have seen newly assigned Soldiers who fail AA school since they were sent immediately after in-processing unprepared only to be send back to school until they pass or break.

I believe that the responsibility to prepare and send Soldiers to AA school falls on the Platoon and all the AA qualified NCO/ Soldiers in the Platoon.

PS
PRT is not sufficient to prepare for AA school.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 28 at 2014 12:29 PM

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Not physically ready???? They're not injured, no medical issues, their ass should be in shape always......yeah they should come to the unit ready to go to Air Assault School. I'm pretty sure that like with every Army course it's 10% physical and 90% mental. Time to stop being scared and go to school. Hell, I'll take that slot Top!!! Me and my troopers would kill for a damn AA school slot!!! Like I said in another post, if you're looking for sympathy from me......

You can only do so much Top. You can't give them the motivation to get ready for school because that's gonna come from within themselves. However, you have to ask yourself: If they don't want to go to a school that will help progress their career, do they really want to progress or are they planning on being a career *insert rank here*?

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 28 at 2014 12:38 PM

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I am not ready so if they make me go I'll most likely fail but not for a lack of trying. This is the army we do what we are told as long it's not immorale or illegal I see no problem with it.

Response by SGT John Vierra made Dec 31 at 2014 9:56 PM

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I knew that once I arrived at Ft Campbell I would be attending AA School...I was excited about the opportunity and enjoyed the experience, the honor to put the wings on my chest and talk about my experience all the time...I left the Army in 1989 and still some of my favorite memories from my time in the military was in that school and Airborne School...to start and complete the school is some of the disciplines that have molded me into the person I am today...so YES I do believe that everyone should attend the school...it'll make them a better person in life!

Response by SSG Jason Neumann made Jan 21 at 2015 10:37 PM

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If you're at Fort Campbell, you are going to AAS. Unless you have some sort of condition that makes you ineligible to go, then so be it. If you are able and capable, most likely you will find yourself conducting AAS PT until the day you pass. This is a course that's available to you. In an MOS that you need an edge on competition for gaining that next rank? This course might make you stand out from all of the other candidates, this also goes for other schools and courses. You want to skate by and do the bare minimum, well be prepared to get passed by. Just my own opinion.

Response by SPC James Mcneil made Jan 22 at 2015 6:01 AM

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When I first arrived at Fort Campbell, I was told by several NCO's and officers that they could not "force any soldier" to attend air assault school. However, they could "strongly encourage" soldiers to do so, which they did by making non-air assault qualified soldiers do pushups regularly among other things.

Imagine their surprise when I told them that I actually wanted to attend air assault school. I embraced the challenge, and I wanted to prove that I could do it. I attended in February of 2000, and I graduated my first time through.

I understand that the 101st is the "only air assault division in the world" and that they are rightfully proud of that fact. What I don't like is the way many NCO's and officers treat those that are not yet air assault qualified. I remember a CSM telling new soldiers that he wouldn't respect them until they went through air assault school. I could tell you other stories of how non-air assault soldiers were berated for simply being too new to go to the course. Does that encourage soldiers to go? It didn't encourage me to go. In fact it almost discouraged me. As much as I wanted to go when I first got there, the constant berating from the "leadership" was almost enough to deter me when my time came. Maybe there's a better way.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 31 at 2015 11:52 PM

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I've been assigned to the 101st for about a month and am training to prep for Air Assault school, but I've had some thoughts along this line. I still intend to go since it's a thing that you do here at Fort Campbell, but I'm an Air Defense Artillery Officer and the only ADA system that's AA capable is the Avenger. We've only got two batteries of those in the active force these days. You can't Air Assault in a Patriot battery or a C-RAM system, so there's absolutely no value added in me being Air Assault qualified. It's a badge I'll put on my chest. After I complete the class, I will almost certainly never use the skills I learn there again. A reasonable person might very well ask what the point of the whole exercise is.

The Air Assault school is a very hooah-hooah school, perhaps unnecessarily so. As a member of the division staff I've sat in on a number of briefs where the current CG has expressed his desire to see more people complete the school while simultaneously suggesting that steps need to be taken to make it possible for people who are on profile or otherwise unable to complete the school as is to get this training. The important part of the course for Soldiers who are not in an Air Assault slot but who are still assigned to the 101st would seem to be in rappel techniques, rather than in events like the obstacle course and 12 mile footmarch. The latter event in particular, with a time limit of three hours, is basically a test of how willing you are to cripple yourself for a few days in order to never have to do this again. And despite all this, I'm still planning to do it. My wife is convinced I'm an idiot because of this.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2015 10:31 PM

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If they're at Campbell, or Camp Jackson, make it so. You're stationed there so just get it done and over with.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2015 1:18 AM

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OK so here's my perspective:
~Brand new out of AIT
~In good shape
~Very eager to become AA qualified

I hear they're going to push us into the school right away, some with only a few days in their new unit. We don't know if you fail out the first time you go to the school, whether you can train hard and re-try at a later date. So there's a lot of nervous anticipation for new soldiers not having conducted the post's standard pt training. I think if there was no serious blemish on the record, or some information that getting sent back to the school was a viable option, soldiers like me would be much more motivated to give it a shot right out of the box, whether cold, rainy, or whatever.
I want this badly, so I'm going to make it happen no matter what. But with all the stress of moving a family here, not being allowed PTDY from my losing (AIT) unit, being stuck in in-processing for 2-3 weeks, having my child out of school until we can find a home and move in, fair/poor diet from lack of good home cooking, and all the rest that comes with a PCS, a little more information, reassurance, and better cohesion between units/chain of command goals/NCO day-to-day operation could make it far easier to obtain a climate of high motivation.

Response by SFC Pete Meyer made Mar 3 at 2015 12:21 PM

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Yes.. Mission first...

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 26 at 2015 1:50 PM

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I have been leading a AA PT program myself for a while...I don't think we should force a person to attend a program that they don't want to unless That person has a valid reason they don't want to (if a person that score a 280 and above on a APFT doesn't want to Go then that's a diffrent story. As far as the people that just can't do the school because of there physical limitations like height for a female They shouldnt be forced to go nor should they be stuck in a program that is designed to help those that can go sooner or later.That holds back the whole program .

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 26 at 2015 7:33 PM

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This is similar to Fort Bragg. If you're in the 82nd you're expected to live the Airborne lifestyle. Once you're a SGT you are expected to go to white slip. My first CSM was adamant about this which was annoying because I wasn't interested in that. However, I think it's all apart of the history of the base/unit. You surely shouldn't force soldiers to go to a school like this. If you do then they won't put 100% of their effort into it and make you look bad as well as their unit etc.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2015 9:41 PM

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Not hating on anyone's oppinion just putting my 2 cents in, but what exactly is the mission of air assault school? Sling load cert? Fast rope cert? Or overall just a general understanding of air assault operations? The reason I ask that is because pathfinder school teaches important things that are covered in AA school. So if an individual arrives already PF qualled, how is that viewed? What if they are already ranger qualled? Would that not demonstrate that he has the ability or at least tenacity to be a leader regardless if AA qualled or not?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 4 at 2015 6:05 PM

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They will be motivated once they realize that it's not optional. Air assault course is one of the easiest military course I ever took. I had fun there and I'll do it again in a heart beat. If you don't have a medical profile you should go. It's sad that some soldiers are just coming from AIT and they are already physically challenge.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2015 2:20 PM

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Honestly 1SG, I would start off with the ones that want to go. Why? Those that want it will try harder than the ones that's being forced. I understand at Campbell it's the home of AA and a lot of soldiers are proud to be there and say their AA. Look at your formation and grab the junior enlisted and have a talk with them about it. I am very sure your soldiers that don't want to go have reasons why. Hear them out. They have ideals. I will start there 1SG.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2015 5:28 PM

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I completely support the CG on this. The same policy was in place when I was a PFC a Campbell in 2002 and I support it then. Every Soldier assigned to the 101st should want to be Air Assault qualified. Get to it Eagles!

Response by SSG Rod Schmidt made May 28 at 2015 9:39 PM

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As far as whether or not a soldier should me made to attend the school is what AA instructors like myself dealt with on a daily bases while assigned to the TSAAS at ft Campbell. The attitude of a student that wanted to attend vs one that was being forced was a struggle each 10.5 days. Bottom line...depends an luck of the draw of units and the MOS the soldier chose. The grunt that reenlisted for 101st shouldn't complain when he's told to go. The green 2nd Lt is a leader and knows he need to set an example. The cherry pvt fresh from boot and AIT needs to understand his place and do as he/she's told.

Response by SSG Robert Webster made Jul 5 at 2015 4:58 PM

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I have only read two other responses on this thread, so what I am about to say may have already been stated.

Take a lesson from history and the example set by LTC Harold G. Moore and SGM Basil L. Plumley, and the 11th Air Assault Division.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 11 at 2015 9:03 PM

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1SG Delaney I deployed with the 101st during the 2007-09 rotation and again for the OEF 2010-11 rotation, and I am back for round 2 with DIVARTY now. My battery currently has over 90% AASLT qualified Soldiers. We don't send a Soldier to AASLT school until after they have passed the AASLT prep course which includes all of the day 0 obstacles, 2 mile run and 12 mile March in 3 hours. Our leaders are required to attend AASLT school because we do Air Assault raids every time we go to the field, XCTC, or JRTC to prepare for deployments. We are responsible for inspecting the rigging of our howitzers as well as the A22 cargo bag and being proficient with the knowledge of the capabilities of the Blackhawk and Chinook helicopter. So I definitely feel it is necessary for the leaders in my organization to go to school as well as the Soldiers because they need to be proficient at rigging and AASLT operations because regardless of what some may think we do use AASLT OPS frequently in the Artillery. With that said once again we don't send a Soldier who isn't prepared but we try to prepare and encourage our Soldiers and Leaders to attend the course.

Response by SPC Tony Bucaro made Jul 23 at 2015 12:03 PM

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When I was stationed here from 1992-1994 the CG wanted everyone to attend AA school too but that was very unrealistic back then and even now. There was always a long waiting list to get into the school back in my day. It really sucked. The school isn't big enough to complete this mission in my opinion. I do agree though, everyone who is stationed here should go through AA School.

Response by MAJ Keith FitzPatrick, CPIM, CSCP made Jul 26 at 2015 10:43 PM

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I think it should be mandatory for leaders and optional for others. However, when I am selecting soldiers for promotion, I will always pick the soldier who goes the extra mile. So if your are in the Air Assault Division and are unwilling to attend the course, you will not be a leader in my unit.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 11 at 2015 4:05 PM

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which brigade is this. I know in 1st we just had a big IG investigation of stuff like this. They can not deny you a leadership position or a promotion due to you not having AASLT. Until they make AASLT a MTOE position they can not hold it against you. If they do you can call IG if you really want to fight it. But you are in an AASLT division so what kind of Soldier is not willing to at least try.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 21 at 2015 10:21 AM

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Very interesting replys. For all that said in regard to downsizeing. I hope the saftey blanket your useing ti keep warm to this issue does not cloud your mind towards the fact that there is a grey area to everything. Instead of placeing blame on the soldier not wanting to go to a befical school how about we look at what environment. A leader WILL send a soldier to this school rather if they want to or not. A GOOD leader will get the soldier to want to go to the school. Fact 40% is asslt qualified. Lets just use this as an example out of 10000 troops only 4000 got wings why? The army and the world is an always changing beast. If you keep doing the same stuff and expect different results well thats just crazy. we might be soldiers but we all still put our boots on one lace at a time. Just saying

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 21 at 2015 11:18 PM

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I went to the AA school a few months after getting to Campbell. As a PFC I had no choice in the matter, but I went, I passed and I was proud.. This was before the CG new policy. Myself and another PFC were the only Joes in my platoon with wings and it was always fun to have something to brag about. Then we deployed and on the first night in country i got woken up at 0200 saying I have to go do a sling load. Another cool experience to do as a PFC on day 1 of deployment. But being 1 of the 2 AA qualified joes in my platoon, every time my platoon had a sling load to do, it was me getting up in the middle of the night to do it. No complaints but it would of been nice if the other 15 guys would have been qualified and able to split it up. Sure enough as soon as we redeployed the new CG came in and implemented his policy and all 15 of those guys went, passed, and became proud. Good times

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 24 at 2015 1:37 PM

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Interesting

Response by MSG Michael Jackson made Feb 19 at 2016 2:31 PM

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I was stationed at Fort Campbell and 5 days after arrival I was in AAS. I didn't see it that I was forced, but rather what was required of me as soldier and a part of my duty in enhance my skills and knowledge. Sure we didn't do a lot of rappelling after I graduated from the course, but there was a hell of a lot of slingload missions and other missions involving the use of helicopters. The CG isn't forcing anything. He made a policy and as a soldier they should be willing to follow it. They all know what type of unit the 101st is so there isn't no hidden agendas. In their oath it states I will obey the orders of the officers appointed over me!!

Response by MSG Dan Castaneda made Jun 24 at 2016 2:35 PM

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I think they should have to as well. There is nothing worst than a leg being assigned to the 82nd.

Response by SPC Erich Guenther made Aug 26 at 2016 8:22 PM

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If you want my opinion, I would say yes for a couple of reasons listed below. I would agree with some of what you say if the 101st was just another regular Army unit BUT it is part of Airborne Corps and this demands a higher standard because the unit is expected to be rapidly deployable along with the 82nd Airborne, 173rd Airborne, 3rd Infantry, etc.

1. 101st is and was always part of Airborne Corps and even in the Cold War Army of the 1980's it deployed a lot to Honduras, MFO in Egypt and other areas as a show of force. The standard in a 101st Infantry Company for minimum PT Score then was 270-280 when I was with the 101st. Understand the difference between Infantry and Support so I do not expect a support unit to attempt a 270-280 minimum PT Score but they should still aim high for a goal.

2. When I went through Air Assault school in Winter of 1985 when the outdoors was the classroom or a freakin cold tent with a kerosene heater. We were coed. Again I understand support companies roles but on obstacle course day we had women crying because they could not make it over an obstacle. To me THAT is unacceptable, if your going to have a cry on an Army Obstacle course.......pack your bags for Ft. Living Room you have no business in the Active Army. You should at least try your best to make it and if you need help ask for it (on best technique to use) To just stand there and give up though.....geesh.

3. My 101st Unit, 3rd Brigade Rakkasans in the 1980's you couldn't make the expected minimum on a PT test or if you could not regularly make the company runs. First favorable actions suspension, Second bar to re-enlistment. Again PT is part of the Army contract and I don't feel the AAS is that physically demanding. The Rakkasans had a credo as well with AAS, if you don't pass, they will send you again and again until you did pass. In my view if the sanctions are not tough on PT there is no motivation to improve.

4. Some of the support units at Ft. Campbell were a little too lax in Army standards and it showed during the first day of AAS when we did the equipment inspection. I could not believe how many folks were missing items from the packing list or they were unserviceable. One guy emptied his rucksack onto the gravel pad and large cloud of mud dust rose up because a lot of his stuff still had mud encased on it. His excuse was he got out of the field 7-8 days ago and had not cleaned it yet.......again this is a rapidly deployable unit of Airborne Corps where the reset should happen right after returning from the field NOT a week later. So I think this part at least makes visible to the upper ranks what units in the Division need attention. The guy with the mud? His squad leader or other first line leadership should have done an inspection after returning from the field.

Anyways, feedback from an old Infantry Veteran from the 1980s. I realize the Army has changed but the 101st is still a member of Airborne Corps and that is considered a step up in standards from the rest of the Active Army.

Response by SGT Tim Soyars made Aug 26 at 2016 9:29 PM

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I was assigned to the 2/503rd and regimented to 4/187th. I came to the 101st Airborne qualified. My prior unit wouldn't even let you try to get in the door until you had completed Jump School. This is the 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault), for God's sake! How may people at the 82nd are legs?? Personally, I think you should be sent to AA School as part of in-processing, just like going to Airborne School before going to a jump unit. I think if one had to volunteer for the 101st just like the 82nd, 173rd, etc. there would be a problem filling it's ranks. Most airborne units, everyone from cooks to clerks, mechanics to medics, are Airborne.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 28 at 2016 9:52 AM

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Just my opinion: Here's the thing, AA isn't even the proponent of sling load operations, and as of a year ago still wasn't current on TODAYS SL ops taught in Sling load leader course or Pathfinder (pathfinder is the sling load proponent), also the only unit I know doing FRIES/SPIES/HELOCAST operations is 75th or SOF units. With all that said what is the relevancy of making someone go? Why is Ranger school mandatory? V/G qualified individuals are required throughout the ranks, but yet a fraction of those slots are filled plus Ranger school is open to all MOSs and genders now.

Response by SFC Kevin Doody made Aug 29 at 2016 6:02 PM

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Personally, I feel forcing any Soldier to attend a NON career enhancing school is bullshit. If the CG gets a hardon over AA, well yippie! let him go hang from a helicopter and get his rocks off. I was with 5th group at Ft. Campbell, and we would go out to the DZ and fast rope, rappel, STABO etc.. so our attitude was "why would I want to go to AA school when we can just go do it" Going to AA wasn't going to do anything career-wise for us so what was the point. Same today; AA, Airborne etc.. are schools available to a Soldier IF they are A) in a unit that would require the particular skill or B) if the Soldier volunteers to attend the school for their own reasons. I think forcing a kid to go to AA is just asking for trouble; he doesn't want to be there, he may be terrified and not in the right frame of mind to perform the operations, and ultimately you are putting that Soldier and any other Soldier near him at risk during live operations.

Response by SFC George Smith made Aug 31 at 2016 5:00 PM

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Only if they want to remain assigned to the Unit... Just like being assigned to the 82nd You have to be Jump Qualified...

Response by SFC James Asbill made Sep 14 at 2016 12:32 PM

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So nice to know a school I attended in 1979 is still a subject of conversation .. .;-) And god do I remember it ..

Response by SPC David Hannaman made Sep 15 at 2016 1:18 PM

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When I was at Ft Campbell back in the early '90's nobody was "forced" but we were damn sure strongly encouraged.

The 101st is THE Air Assault Division. In a perfect world anyone not wanting to or unable to go to Sabalauski would be transferred to a different unit. They just don't have the qualifications in the job description.

Cold weather? Oh boy... hopefully the next war isn't somewhere cold, the fight doesn't always happen on our terms.

Might I suggest TDY to Ft. Drum, a little perspective on "cold" will make Kentucky seem like a walk in the park.

Response by 1SG Harold Piet made Oct 12 at 2016 6:37 AM

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No soldier should be in a leadership position at Fort Campbell, that has not attended. 1991-1995 DISCOM, Aviation BN, 584th Maint.

Response by SSG Jason Neumann made Nov 12 at 2016 12:15 AM

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Unfortunately, since the course is there, why not use it to it's fullest? It can only benefit the Soldiers. Yes, cold weather sucks, but does hot weather too.... This is what a Soldier does, adapt and overcome. Having a qualified Soldier in your ranks and them looking to go to a promotion board, they should stand out from other peers. Especially a great bullet for an NCOER if you successfully pass the course and who knows, top %. The biggest thing I see, is that Soldiers will continue to head there and hopefully down at unit level they have a proficient and efficient program being utilized there.

Response by SGT Robert K. made Nov 22 at 2016 1:03 PM

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Back in 91-92 I remember when I PCS'd to Fort Campbell, was a little shock since I was coming from the 16th Engineer BN, 1st Armored Div. and going to 326th Engineer BN, 101st. I got there about the same time as a few other folks from Germany I knew. Was pretty simple - we all got counseled that in order to stay in the division we had to attend and graduate from the Air Assault school, if we choose not to attend the school we will be processed for transfer to a different division. We had a few guys elect not to attend and they were transferred out of the division within a few months. Not sure why a soldier would want to be in the 101st and not be Air Assault or Airborne qualified. If you don't like it - leave.

Response by SPC Sheila Lewis made Nov 22 at 2016 2:58 PM

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I would like to attend that school.

Response by PFC Scotty Steele made Feb 9 at 2017 4:26 PM

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As far as the pressure to attend, it sounds like the same situation as 31 years ago - they used to give everybody who passed a three day pass; however, I don't remember anybody questioning/whining about why they had to do it. I went to Air Assault School as soon as I got to Fort Campbell, then went to my unit. I was 5' 10", 140 pounds, smoked a pack of cigarettes a day, and didn't have any standout PT scores (maybe running). Air Assault school, or Airborne School, wasn't much of an issue. Could do it now at 50 years old.

Response by SSG Earl Corp made Mar 22 at 2017 2:13 PM

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Truthfully they should keep soldiers in the replacement detachment until after they graduate. The 101st should be an all volunteer unit like the 82nd. If you don't qualify you go somewhere else.

Response by SPC David Hannaman made Mar 24 at 2017 5:34 PM

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"Most are not physically ready"... what the heck? It's not that hard. The Road march at the end was the toughest part, and I finished 3rd with a Hernia that I got coming off the tower repelling, and by the time I finished my feet were 80% blistered.

Are you sure they're just not mentally tough enough? The CG's policy is good, the 101st is called upon to perform a specific mission, if they can't make it through Sabalauski they are in the wrong unit.

Response by SPC David Hannaman made Mar 24 at 2017 5:52 PM

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When I got to Campbell in '89 or '90 I didn't really care about going to AASLT, I wanted to be Airborne. And I stopped by the Training NCO's office every week to ask if we'd gotten any slots.

"Nope, but we need to fill a slot for MEOC." Sign me up, I can drive a truck... remember me when an Airborne slot opens up please.

"Nope, but we need to fill a slot for Combat Lifesaver" Sign me up, remember me when an Airborne slot opens up please.

"Nope, but we need to fill a slot for Air Assault" Sign me up, remember me when an Airborne slot opens up please.

I was the Training NCO's best friend, he didn't have to hunt for someone and try and talk them into going to a school, he knew if I hadn't been I was willing to go.

Along the line I collected badges and awards, I never did get an Airborne slot, but when I went to Korea they needed either a medic or a combat lifesaver every time we went to the range... I got to shoot and qualify with EVERYTHING. Thanksgiving rolled around and I was the LTC's driver. A Major General stepped off the aircraft, took one look at my Class A's and said "Damn Colonel, even your driver has more bling than I do." What can a lowly Specialist say to that except "Yes, Sir" with a big grin on his face.

That moment alone was worth every school I went to.

Response by SPC Sheila Lewis made Mar 30 at 2017 4:23 PM

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There are many Soldiers who would appreciate that opportunity.

Response by SGT Tony Clifford made Apr 10 at 2017 4:25 PM

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You know it reminds me of a joke I told my PSG when he was bragging about being air assault. I told him, "only tampons hang from strings." I laughed. Everyone with jump wings laughed ( I don't have jump wings). He was a little steamed a told me to repeat it to top who was also air assault. He laughed and told my PSG to lighten up it's just a joke. (Top loved me and didn't care for my PSG).

Response by SGT Robert Mcfadden made Apr 10 at 2017 11:19 PM

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I was one of those guys that was forced into air assault. By the time I got to Ft Campbell I was in my 30s, maxed my pt and couldn't get any more points for ribbons and badges. So not being one for high places I declined because ya know I thought voluntary school. 1sg agreed it was voluntary, so he sent me for mandatory training at the air assault school. I failed the o course 3 times, then missed one to many hands on test. But finally I finished I'm glad I did. I was a squad leader the whole time, but I never personally we need on any air assault missions.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 11 at 2017 2:42 AM

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To offer my perspective as soldier who had absolutely no desire to go to Air assault school, despite the fact I had no real motivation to pass I still did once I was ordered to go. None of events in that school posed any real problem because all the events except for the repelling from an air craft are very basic requirements all soldier either have or should be able to pass regardless of age or body type. Anything less than that is a lack of pride in being a soldier. One thing I do recommend however is ensuring your AA PT doesn't force your soldiers to do too many 12 milers as those have a tendency to break people. Try to convey the importance of the course in regards to our units mission in such a way that gives them a bit of drive to succeed. My opinions aren't based on leadership experience so I apologize if I just said things you already know or act on. I was able to pass because I realized the only thing in the course I hadn't don't before was repelling out of an aircraft. The rest just required me to put my head down and drive on.

Response by PFC Cedric Powell made Apr 11 at 2017 4:38 AM

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Policy stands, to take it further, whether it be Airborne, AA, DS School, Ranger, WOCS, any school. If you are eligible, pick one, but you'd be required to go. At the end of the day, the grand scheme of it is to develop the future leaders and this is how you do it.

Response by CW2 Ernest Krutzsch made Apr 11 at 2017 5:22 PM

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Ah, funny you should bring this up. I was in the 2/502 in 1976/77. I got married in Jun 76 and reported to Ft Campbell in July from Germany. I was told when I arrived to get ready to deploy to Reformer. I explained that I just got married and was getting my wife ready to join me, answer, tough shit. Ok, so I go to Reformer, come back, the 1SG says I have to go to AA school, I was going to get out of the Army in July, so I said, No and read the reg to him where it said "must volunteer" As a SGT, he was not too pleased and told me, fine, but until you ETS, you will wear your steel pot everyday til then. After 2 weeks, I said, fine I will go to AA school.He sent me with his favorite SSG, I told him I would be Honor Grad, he said with SSG I had no chance. I completed AA school in Jan of 1977, as honor grad, in one of the first classes at Ft Campbell

Response by CPT Joshua Dumont made Apr 11 at 2017 9:13 PM

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I intentionally chose a cold time of year. It was "outdoor air-conditioning". The cold made every physical event a joy to start and not want to finish. The only misery in AA school during the winter is time motionless.

Response by PFC Eddie Masterson made Apr 14 at 2017 1:55 PM

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Vietnam 68 69 if I wasn't with the hundred and first airborne I wouldn't be here today to make this comment I love the Airborne and make you tough!

Response by SPC Paul Tucker made Jun 4 at 2017 12:13 AM

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I am a 101st veteran. Fort Campbell was my first duty station. I was in the 311th MI BN. I arrived at Fort Campbell as a PFC and was promoted to SPC shortly after due to time in grade. I was an Arabic Linguist and our training was extremely long. I went to Air Assault School in March. I was the first to go out of a cluster of soldiers in our company that arrived with around the time that I did. many arrived before I did. I asked to go. I knew I would have to go and I wanted to get it over and I wanted to be first. The weird thing was that our platoon sgt, who was a SFC and was 37 years old had not been. He refused to go. He had a fear of heights and would not go. We had a very small platoon and our squad all became qualified. Some of the females were not able to get through the obstacle course. This was in 1995 and 1996. None of the other enlisted soldiers refused going except our platoon sergeant. He PCSed after a year.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 4 at 2017 2:30 AM

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if theyre slotted position requires it then they should go. If not then they should be removed from that slot....and probably flagged until they can PCS to a unit that is not AA

Response by PVT Raymond Lopez made Jun 4 at 2017 9:35 PM

2017-06-04T21:35:41-04:00

Should a Soldier be forced to attend Air Assault School? Hell no! It was fun when I went through and I was with a lot of fun guys. This is the Air Assault badge I was awarded!!!

Response by SGT Jerrold Pesz made Jun 6 at 2017 11:13 PM

2017-06-06T23:13:26-04:00

This is another one of those things that didn't exist in my day however I would have been happy to attend. I know that some people tried to avoid schools, classes, boards etc. but I always attended everything that they would let me and didn't really understand why others didn't.

Response by SSG Bill Pemberton made Jun 9 at 2017 7:44 AM

2017-06-09T07:44:01-04:00

I for one enjoyed the Air Assault school.It was a nice two week vacation from the Rakkasans.

Response by SGT Robert Kromminga made Jun 22 at 2017 1:52 PM

2017-06-22T13:52:50-04:00

I attended this course "way back when" right after I PCS'd into the 326th EN Bn, A buddy of mine was transferred in a few months later, he elected not to attend AA school and requested an armor unit-he was transferred to Fort Bliss, TX. We all admit that there are soldiers who are not physically or mentally ready to attend but those are the ones that maybe need more training and mentoring but also we must remember that each soldier has a individual skill set. Requiring every soldier in a Air Assault division to be Air Assault qualified is like requiring a soldier assigned to a Armor Division to be qualified to operate an M1A, or a soldier assigned to a engineer unit to be qualified to operate a M9 ACE or AVLB. Getting soldiers trained and qualified to perform a mission means taking a look at the position and duties.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 5 at 2017 1:44 AM

2017-08-05T01:44:38-04:00

I served in the 101st for 4 yrs in the 502nd and I can honestly say that AA school should NOT be a requirement. AA school is now being run at other posts, including the 82nd ABN, so it is not something that the 101st ABN necessarily owns. I did not get the opportunity to attend AA because I couldn't get medically cleared at that time. If I were able, I would have attended the course because it would have been an opportunity to learn a new skill and it was simply available.

However, the course is tough and a number of folks don't aspire to do it because rappelling from helicopters is not something that the 101st does, unless you were in the Pathfinder unit back in the day, so where was the payoff outside of getting a badge? Why would Soldiers feel motivated to get smoked for 10 days just to be able to inspect slingloads and learn air assault operations when you train to do it at the unit level anyway? Before I went to the 101st, I was in the 82nd and we did slingload operations and air assaults without the school, and the AA qual'd guys were responsible for inspecting the rig and training us up for the op. Basically, we got the job done without having to suffer for 10 days in order to do it.

I just feel that the AA course is hanging on too much to that "Toughest Ten Days in the Army" bullshit. They should keep Zero Day, run regular PT, get rid of the 12 mile ruck march, and focus squarely on the materiel and testing the shit out of the students. The course shouldn't be meant to push folks or make them feel like it was physically tough because the course of instruction is far more important than it being hard physically. I know that those with AA wings will disagree, but understand, I served 4 yrs in the 101st and it wasn't really a big deal in the grand scheme of things. Guys get back with a badge and it was business as usual unless they got picked for running/assisting Hooker training.

They want most of the division to be AA? How about they get smart about the course and eliminate much of the bullshit and simply focus on the training. Zero Day should be the "tough" part physically and the rest should be basic physical training and high testing standards. Rappelling from a chopper is not a big deal. Prepping slingloads is not a big deal. Learning air assault operations is not a big deal. None of it is a big enough deal for it to be a physically demanding course. Completing Zero Day and conducting daily PT should be enough to show the proper fitness level, so smoking the mind should be what the school is known for in order to earn the wings (I know it is already mentally tough with the curriculum) and also open the doors for others to attend.

Some would call it lowering standards, but I would call it REFINING STANDARDS. More important to get knowledgeable folks qual'd in AA than troops not seeing the benefit of attending the course due to unnecessary physical training. I've personally seen capable individuals not attend the course because they didn't want to deal with the bullshit. They were perfectly fine with doing their jobs and they knew that the AA course wasn't really going to impact their usual duties or career.

Response by TSgt Johnnie Keller made Aug 5 at 2017 1:46 PM

2017-08-05T13:46:43-04:00

Not if they are Airborne/Pathfinder qualified. Air Assault would be nothing more than another badge, that is all.

Response by SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA made Aug 17 at 2017 1:38 AM

2017-08-17T01:38:24-04:00

After reading several posts from currently assigned personnel, the policies are that if you are not AA qualified you can not hold a leadership position?

So what happens to those who are coming into this post with a wealth of leadership experience both in deployment and garrison environments...but that has a permanent profile that makes it impossible to complete the 12-mile ruck march?

Should I start my separation paperwork if this is what awaits me at Fort Campbell?

Response by Norah Julmis made Oct 26 at 2017 4:56 PM

2017-10-26T16:56:17-04:00

I know this is an old post but I have a quick question. We're PCSing to Campbell from Bragg in a few months, does everyone at Campbell have to be Air Assault? If the answer is yes, what happens if you fail? Just curious.

Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2017 12:36 PM

2017-10-30T12:36:20-04:00

1SG, I believe that Air Assault School will be critical to maximizing force mobility and readiness in the future. Our current and past theaters of conflict (Mogadishu, Iraq, Afghanistan) show that we need faster deployment and transport of troops and equiptment. Air Assault also seems most practical in urban theaters and forested terrian. With more soldiers qualified, the Army will be able to secure mission readiness if such situations arise. Perhaps an explanation will provide motivation or less resistance. Give them a ‘big picture’ view of things and how it relates to them. As a lower enlisted, I always appreciate when my leaders give transparency. It empowers me cause the vision is shared.

As for “not wanting”? Well, it sounds like there isn’t any latitude for choice in the matter. Maybe an 6-8 week PT program would produce results for low-intermediate performers. However, I think motivating for tradition over mission is very challenging as the former does not seem practical. ‘Sell it’ as practical. Good luck, 1SG.

Response by CW2 Ernest Krutzsch made Nov 7 at 2017 3:13 PM

2017-11-07T15:13:03-05:00

I went to AAS in January of 1977. At that time AAS was voluntary. I was getting out of the Army in July of 1977. I told the 1SG that I didn't want to go to AAS in Sep of 1976, because I was getting out. He said I was an NCO and I should go because what would my troops think? I said they'd think SGT Krutzsch is getting out of the Army and AAS will not assist him in his future endeavors. He said, OK, but from now on you will wear your Steelpot as headgear until you ETS. I said OK. After a few weeks, I said, OK, I will go to AAS. (I had terrible headaches). I went and graduated as Honor Graduate, to his chagrin and I did ETS. I was however back in the Army by Nov of 1978, due to a blizzard and my dislike of extreme cold weather

Response by CPL Anthony Slaughter made Nov 7 at 2017 6:49 PM

2017-11-07T18:49:55-05:00

Soldiers not wanting to go to schools like that? In my old unit, we used to compete for slots in schools such as Airborne, Air Assault, Sapper, etc.

Response by SGT Jeremiah Giles made Aug 5 at 2018 7:16 AM

2018-08-05T07:16:59-04:00

If assigned to the 101st, there is a fair chance that you will be deployed to a combat zone. In a combat zone, there is an excellent chance that you will need to know how to sling load equipment, set up a safe Landing Zone for Aircraft, and how to safely enter and exit aircraft. The school also reenforces basic Soldier skills such as physical fitness and attention to detail. Should the school be manadatory? probably not. Is the school beneficial for many of the Soldiers who are stationed at Fort Campbell? Yes. Solders should be sent to and expected to pass the school depending on their Commander's mission and intent and consequently is probably a fairly high percentage of the Soldiers who are stationed at Campbell.

Response by CPT Jeff Robinette made Oct 22 at 2018 4:52 PM

2018-10-22T16:52:05-04:00

Well 1SG send them to Hohenfels for a weekend with minimal gear would work when I was in Germany.
I know my answer sounds flippant but giving them a taste of what cold and wet weather can be like may make a difference.
I'm not saying to put them into hypothermia but just give them a chance to be miserable. Come in the next morning and give them a Hot "A" Breakfast. I wouldn't give than any real cold weather training. I would mention the "RULE OF 3s" and how that will affect them in the real world of the Army.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 23 at 2018 12:26 PM

2018-10-23T12:26:38-04:00

No, if their MOS doesn't require it, this shouldn't affect your career.

Tabs, badges and other designations shouldn't negatively impact your career. Worry about being an expert in your assigned MOS. I'd rather have an low passing PT score 42A than a ranger 42A who doesn't know how to process pay.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 23 at 2018 6:09 PM

2018-10-23T18:09:30-04:00

It’s kinda BS when some guys in the Army haven’t had the chance to go to these schools even after they keep a PT score at a 270 or better for a year. When slots come available (for this school and others) they always seem to be taken by admin soldiers.

Response by SSG Harry Outcalt made Oct 23 at 2018 7:58 PM

2018-10-23T19:58:14-04:00

The CG's order has been in effect for a lot of year's, but few know why ? .The answer is still the same as it has been for a lot of year's . If the 101st can maintain a high percentage of Air Assault Qualified personnel then it us authorized to wear the Air Assault Beret.... But only if the Division can qualify a high percentage of it's personnel... As for getting people ready for Air Assault school, lot's of PT . I was known for sop PT as part of being in my sqd , that also meant volunteering for road guard during PT.We did more than the required PT others did

Response by PFC Adam Murray made Oct 23 at 2018 8:56 PM

2018-10-23T20:56:00-04:00

Press upon them the value and import of Service to Country.
If they are going to serve, it means serving in the cold and rain, to attain training they *may* never use IN service.
Remind them of Valley Forge and of the Delaware.
Service isn't always comfy, nor should it be.

Response by SGT Rodrick Tarver made Oct 23 at 2018 11:09 PM

2018-10-23T23:09:31-04:00

Really? Times have really changed. Bring the Cold War posture back up and everybody be getting ready. The other side is reading this my stuff.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 24 at 2018 9:49 AM

2018-10-24T09:49:39-04:00

I agree with you... went through in 2007. I do think that to be an officer or nco in the 101st it should be required required. Shouldn't be asking soldier to do something leaders can not.

Response by CPL Brandon Kling made Oct 24 at 2018 9:54 AM

2018-10-24T09:54:48-04:00

When I arrived to Campbell in 2010, my unit prioritized infantry, scouts, and medics for AASLT school. Made sense, as those were the Soldiers who would participate in an Air Assault mission.

The problem I had when it was being made mandatory was two fold. One, some units were punishing Soldiers who couldn't go due to medical reasons (denying leaves and passes), and for those who chose not to go, whether due to PCS/ETS/retirement (thankfully, my unit was not doing that). The second problem I saw, is that there are a lot of prior service Marines in the Army. Some of these troops completed real world air assault missions while in the Marines, knew how to build a proper sling load, and had done something that most AASLT grass hadn't: rappelled out of a helicopter onto a rocking flight deck.

By the time it started becoming mandatory, I had about 90 days left, not including terminal leave, so sending me seemed to be a waste of a good slot.

Should the school be mandatory? Yes. But make Campell a volunteer post, so that Soldiers who want to go there have to opt in for AASLT school.

Response by SGM Wally Holston made Oct 24 at 2018 1:07 PM

2018-10-24T13:07:00-04:00

OK, I've been out for awhile. What the hell is &nbsp? If you're going to use this stuff at least spell it out the first time.

Response by SPC Sadie Mattox made Oct 24 at 2018 2:28 PM

2018-10-24T14:28:19-04:00

If you are assigned to the 101st, you should be Air Assualt qualified, no matter your tank or MOS. You should be ready for Zero Day at all times. No 3 week special PT work up. If a unit has to do that, they need to look at thier current PT program..
I in processed to 1/187 as a medic in Jan '87. Every week, all non-graduates were sent to the school on Zero Day, slot or not. We had slots assigned to the Bn and those who had been with Bn the longest got those. The rest of us, waited to see if someone was a no-show.
My Zero Day was in Feb '87. No sure of the day. But took PT test, did O course and road march while it was snowing. Snowing hard enough that we could not see the top of the ladder. The post was closed by the time we finished. Guess what? We survived. Hot or cold, rain, snow or shine, the Army operates. Weather is no excuse. Took my EFMB test in the Sinai Desert of Egypt. Would have never dreamed of not doing road march because it was too hot.
If a soldier refuses to go, give them a choice, Article 15 for failure to follow policy or PCS to someplace like Korea.
I agree that if a solider in the 101st had not graduated from AAS, they should not hold a leadership position. Period. They have not met the minimum standard for the division.
Neck, I would even make it part of in processing to the 101st. Before you start to in process to the base. Go to the school. No graduation = PCS somewhere else

Response by SPC Kyle Williams made Oct 24 at 2018 4:20 PM

2018-10-24T16:20:39-04:00

Nope. Is what i would have said. Terrified of heights. They cant actually make you. I doubt jag would be willing to court marshal someone who would put themselves and others at risk in AA school. No one should be forced.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 24 at 2018 6:00 PM

2018-10-24T18:00:30-04:00

Make air assault school part of basic training

Response by SSG Shoyn Jones made Oct 24 at 2018 6:28 PM

2018-10-24T18:28:40-04:00

You have to keep the soldier motivated at all times

Response by SGT Timothy Strashinsky made Oct 24 at 2018 7:10 PM

2018-10-24T19:10:18-04:00

Pointless if your not gonna do that job deployed. I know for dam sure tankers aint needing it.

Response by SGM Ronald Cheatom made Oct 24 at 2018 8:28 PM

2018-10-24T20:28:04-04:00

As a former member of the 101st, I have always believed, that as a skill badged school, and with the 101st being 'the' AA division, make the school, just like the airborne course, and make it a prerequisite to joining the division, same as the 82nd, with the airborne school. That will lend a certain elitism, and uniqueness, to their current reputation, as the only one. In my 11.5 months, I did not attend, the course, but my view was very popular among the troops.

Response by SN John Weigel made Oct 24 at 2018 10:50 PM

2018-10-24T22:50:51-04:00

Arrived at Ft. Campbell Mar 95 at that time AAST School was not mandatory but you was going no matter what.
Had another service member in my unit who didn’t want to go first attemp forgot ID, 2nd attempt forgot canteen was told if he didn’t go or forget something he was getting NJP.
No ASSt school should not be that would be like making everyone assigned to FT. Bragg go to Jump School.

Response by PO1 Michael Moe made Oct 24 at 2018 10:55 PM

2018-10-24T22:55:51-04:00

Lol!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 25 at 2018 2:24 AM

2018-10-25T02:24:15-04:00

I never understood why Air Assault was a so called hooah school. Air Assault is all about being technically proficient. Why the huge PT expectation? Does being an athlete make you better at securing loads for Air Assault?

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 25 at 2018 3:33 AM

2018-10-25T03:33:51-04:00

Sissies. When I was there, new Soldiers didn't leave replacement BN until they passed AASLT school. It's the 101st. EVERYONE goes. Damn. What's wrong with this Army.

Response by PO1 Alan Sparks made Oct 25 at 2018 8:43 AM

2018-10-25T08:43:36-04:00

I was US Navy, some the terminology is a bit strange to me, but people should be trying to maintain there level of fitness aquired in Basic Training, I think that is something commanders should be striving to implement. I would guess climbing a rope, completion and O-Course, and doing a 12 mile hike is something all Soldiers did during basic training.

Response by LCpl Darrell J. Farley Jr. made Oct 25 at 2018 9:26 AM

2018-10-25T09:26:49-04:00

It’s called an ORDER!!! Perform or get a discharge!!! It’s that simple. If you can’t make the standards for your billet, the GTFO!!!

Response by Louis Williams made Nov 21 at 2018 9:49 AM

2018-11-21T09:49:51-05:00

A solider can not be forced to attend Air Assault School. A solider can not be forced to be a solider. Your squad leader or superior officer can order you to go to the school, but you have to qualify just like a recruiter evaluates your enlistment, a solider much qualify to be accepted into the school. One of the qualifications was to accomplish the 10 mile obstacle run in less than 2 hrs. One of the honors acquired from earning the air assault badge is that, no matter what rank you are, no one can wear the air assault badge on their uniform unless you graduated from air assault school. The infantry battalions wore the air assault badge because infantry training included air assault training. Support infantry battalions followed suit to attend the school but was only suggested, not mandatory, and so on down the chain of command. One would think all Army and Marines should wear the air assault badge, but not every rank and file or MOS (military occupational status) requires the training.

Response by SFC Casey O'Mally made Mar 11 at 2019 8:56 AM

2019-03-11T08:56:07-04:00

Does the CG's policy define "able?" I know the obvious definition is 'physically able,' but 'mentally able' can also be interpreted. This provides some wiggle room, IMHO.

I believe the CG can (and should) have this (or very similar) policy in place. It is an AASLT Div. No one even blinks at the fact that going to the 82nd means going to ABN school, why are people surprised that going to the 101st means going to AASLT?

I was a Ready Force (read: Rear-D) NCOIC for my Company at Campbell a few years ago, filling the majority of the 1SGs duties for those who had stayed back. The way I solved this problem was to go do it myself. We had a low attend / success rate. When I got to Campbell I was not in good enough shape to attend (came off of profile to PCS to Campbell at Branch's request - could pass APFT, but could not run 4 miles in 36 min). I got myself good enough, and went. After I went and passed - at 40 years old and slow - Soldiers no longer had an excuse, and I made sure they knew that. And suddenly people were going and passing. First 3 months, we had 3 attend, 1 pass. Next 6 months we had something like 18 attend and 17 pass.
Sometimes they just need to see someone else lead the way.

(This is not at all a knock on what you have been doing or your leadership - I am sure you are already AASLT qualified, and going BACK to the school would be silly and a waste of time for both you and the schoolhouse. Just saying what worked for me.)

Response by SGT Robert Mcfadden made Mar 19 at 2019 12:49 PM

2019-03-19T12:49:53-04:00

I was forced. My 1Sgt said all squad leaders must have air Assault or they wouldn't be squad leaders. I failed zero day 3 times, but managed to finally pass the course and graduate. I'm glad I did. I dont think it helped me in any way I had all the ribbons I could get without being deployed to combat. I never actually rappelled out of the aircraft, rotor wash was too cold for the people on belay. Voluntary as it is you can still be sent for training as I learned. Lol. But Ft Campbell was the end of my 13 yr career.

Response by MAJ David Wallace made Apr 1 at 2019 8:31 PM

2019-04-01T20:31:55-04:00

Air Assault School is a blast! I went through in the late 80s as a 1LT and as "Roster 1," the class leader. I had hoped to glide in under the radar, but was quickly and decisively engaged in every smoke session that my class participated in. I learned that life as a 'Screaming Eagle' moved at a faster pace than it had in my mech infantry unit in Korea. Most of the Soldiers I attended AAS with were young, strong and there at Ft. Campbell to prove something. You will be challenged, especially if you have a fear of heights. The training is essential, especially if you work with aerial resupply. As a support platoon leader, my platoon was responsible for preparing A1 bags, cargo nets filled with every manner of war material, and getting water, ammo, food, and other supplies out to our buddies, no matter where they were. We also coducted LZ/PZ operations during the largest air movement of troops since D-Day. My guys all went through AAS and they were proficient in their Warrior's Tasks. We weren't the Rangers or SF, but we knew how to accomplish any task. Never miss out on an opportunity to get your troops or yourself trained; you never know where you'll end up in the future. Be prepared for anything! No Slack!!

Response by SPC Orin Sarabia made May 11 at 2019 8:45 PM

2019-05-11T20:45:41-04:00

When I went through in 94 it was voluntary/mandatory numbers looked good for company CO. If you didn't want to go you'd be in remedial PT until you went.

Response by SSG Melinda Beutel made May 24 at 2019 10:49 AM

2019-05-24T10:49:47-04:00

I was told I was going to AAST and given a report date. After stating that I wasn't interested in the course, my commander replied with, "too bad". I attended orientation after which there was a ten minute break. I drove up the street to my unit and went to directly to my commander's office to tell him that I wasn't going back and he couldn't make me. When he asked why I was so against going, I pointed out to him that we were both wearing Rigger wings and that in order to wear the AAST badge, my Rigger wings would have to be removed from my uniform as they were in different skill classes and I had worked too hard as a Rigger to ever take them off. He then said, "Don't worry about going back".

Response by SSG Paul McKinney made Jun 9 at 2019 6:31 PM

2019-06-09T18:31:32-04:00

Being who instructed AS Ft Hood in the early 80s I seen first hand how it turned a simple soldier into one that could handle more stress, conditioning and responsible. I believe in today’s Army our soldiers need every advantage they can get!

Response by SN Mike Duffy made Jul 31 at 2019 7:25 PM

2019-07-31T19:25:32-04:00

For every 50 kids that don't make it, there's a 40 something doing it backwards, screaming the whole time, because he's teaching the course.

Response by SGT Larry Reed made Aug 1 at 2019 12:04 PM

2019-08-01T12:04:09-04:00

How is it the military is supporting sissi's? You inlist as a soldier. You train as a soldier. You become a disciplined soldier. You ets as a soldier. I inlisted in the infantry in 1979. Memories one cannot forget. Stop coddling to soldiers. Make them into men. Keep our military mentally and physically strong. Lead by example. Can't do it you don't belong twith the elite. Go to sissy company.

Response by CPL Steve Freeman made Nov 21 at 2019 10:14 AM

2019-11-21T10:14:47-05:00

Ever heard of PT? That's how we got fit to do our jobs in the Army. You should try it out sometime.

Response by PFC Micheal Tarr made Dec 1 at 2019 10:31 PM

2019-12-01T22:31:44-05:00

What kind of baby ass soldiers are getting through basic nowadays. You should have flunked out.

Response by SSG David Fetty made Apr 19 at 2021 6:28 PM

2021-04-19T18:28:10-04:00

It seems everyone is focusing on the physical tasks of Fast Roping, Rappelling and the 12 mile march and never focusing on the most technical part of the school; Sling Loading.

Everything the Division has must be moved by air, and if you have no leaders knowledgeable in sling loading, and few, if any of your troops knowing how it's done, how are your supporting elements or even your organic assets going to be with you? Sling loading teaches you the lift capacity of our birds, how to hook slings to each piece of equipment, and even that little known, Knock you on Your Ass! static charge that builds up on a bird in flight from the rotor blades.

Even after the 101st went off Airborne Status and before we became Air Assault, we had to be prepared to be moved by air, and Each Bn had a supply of Air Transportability NCO's available. Good thing, Otherwise you'd have to rely on the Air Force for the entire move. Who'd make your chalks, your load plans to get your equipment as you need it, instead of what is convenient for the Air Force?

You can't hump it all, and it's not all about a cute pair of wings

Response by SSG David Fetty made Apr 19 at 2021 7:20 PM

2021-04-19T19:20:14-04:00

Just as a point of interest, THIS was one of my instructors while I was in Air Assault School. Notice what he's wearing? I guess he thought it was worthwhile...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_L._Littrell

Gary_L._Littrell

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 29 at 2022 6:43 AM

2022-12-29T06:43:33-05:00

It’s the units history i wasn’t forced to go by any means when I was forced I happily got out of it my unit is good about wanting what’s best even if it doesn’t seem like it my leadership did what they had to but as I’ve now failed once even with that failure I wanted to go at that point my leadership allowing me to push myself on my own time makes me want the school more and more as I slowly recover myself and my ability it’s more of a push by myself not my leadership they are willing to work with me I’ve never truly felt forced to go to (AA) school Ik other units force it hard but it’s a matter of truly is the soldier ready it’s a free 10 points if that soldier is ready and it’s a school you can go to a hundred times in the unit till you pass being pushed it worth it in the end when you hit rank or you look back and say I was apart of that

Response by CSM James Barzee made Mar 23 at 2023 3:06 PM

2023-03-23T15:06:24-04:00

I attended in 1976. It was an honor & competition for us to get a spot. Highest scores on APFT, Ruck March & weapon was able to attend first.
The Commander makes the call. Not all soldiers are afforded the opportunity to join the 101st.
I understand that some soldiers are below average - that sets the line. You must endeavor to raise the soldiers and junior officers to the established standards.
If the Commander sets a specific standard, any soldier unwilling to even TRY should seek reassignment.

Thank you
Old Guy