Sharia law vs. gay rights. Is our country headed for a conflict?

SFC Jeff L. — Tue, 30 Jun 2015 11:42:08 -0400

There has been a lot of movement in two opposite, conflicting directions. On the one hand we now have legalized gay marriage, and on the other a growing movement to adopt Sharia Law in the US. On the surface they don't really seem to have anything to do with one another. I mean, we should be equally tolerant of muslims and homosexuals. Right?

Unfortunately for both groups there are some real dilemmas coming. For example: Will mosques and imams be required to perform same-sex marriages in the same way that Christian churches and pastors will be? A recent study determined that 51% of muslims living in this country support the adoption of Sharia Law. Islam and Sharia Law isn't too friendly toward homosexuals, and it has been widely reported for throwing gay men from rooftops among other things.

How are these two groups going to coexist in a country where acceptance of gay marriage has been institutionalized and many Congressional representatives and other government officials advocate for institutional acceptance of Sharia Law?

Also up for discussion is the "war on women" and sharia law in the US. How do these two groups coexist with opposing viewpoints on the role of women in society?

*edited for accuracy

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2015 11:44 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 30 Jun 2015 11:44:52 -0400

It would seem, looking in from the outside. I wonder how long it will take people to notice the fact that those that follow extreme Sharia are throwing homosexuals off of buildings in the ME? I don't like the vortex that seems to be brewing.

Response by SCPO David Lockwood made Jun 30 at 2015 11:45 AM

SCPO David Lockwood — Tue, 30 Jun 2015 11:45:05 -0400

We are headed somewhere that's for sure.

Response by SGT Ben Keen made Jun 30 at 2015 11:45 AM

SGT Ben Keen — Tue, 30 Jun 2015 11:45:12 -0400

Where do you see a movement to adopt Sharia law within the US?

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2015 11:50 AM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 30 Jun 2015 11:50:42 -0400

I don't se the conflict coming, I do not have a side in this matter, so far the issue do not affect me

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2015 1:44 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:44:39 -0400

Do you have any reputable sources? I'd especially like to see your support that "many congressional representatives and other government officials advocate for institutional acceptance of Sharia law."

I don't think there is a "growing movement to adopt Sharia law in the US," and Christian churches won't be required to perform same-sex weddings. If you "*edited for accuracy" then providing sources shouldn't be a problem.

Response by LTC Bink Romanick made Jun 30 at 2015 2:13 PM

LTC Bink Romanick — Tue, 30 Jun 2015 14:13:39 -0400

Where on earth is there any evidence of a movement towards Sharia Law. Please document and please no blogs, etc.

Response by LTC Bink Romanick made Jun 30 at 2015 2:23 PM

LTC Bink Romanick — Tue, 30 Jun 2015 14:23:10 -0400

Breitbart really? How about a real source?

Response by LTC Bink Romanick made Jun 30 at 2015 2:30 PM

LTC Bink Romanick — Tue, 30 Jun 2015 14:30:14 -0400

Response by SGT Roberto Mendoza-Diaz made Jun 30 at 2015 2:31 PM

SGT Roberto Mendoza-Diaz — Tue, 30 Jun 2015 14:31:05 -0400

People in this country are really confused with what's going on lately. Hmmm... There is not an easy way to explain this but here we go. (Requesting apologies in advance).
This country is divided between republicans (conservatives) and democrats (liberals) however most homosexuals and most muslims are democrats (liberals) also. Now under Sharia law, homosexuality is big No-No, and yet they are in the same group. Another one, this country is divided between those who own guns (conservatives) and those who want to ban them (liberals). As I mentioned in another post, this country is becoming something similar like in the tv show "Revolution" where waving the American flag and being an American made you a criminal. Next Saturday we are celebrating the Independence Day and as a nation we need to get united once again because our name is United States of America and that's the right thing to do. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!

Response by Maj Mike Sciales made Jun 30 at 2015 8:00 PM

Maj Mike Sciales — Tue, 30 Jun 2015 20:00:28 -0400

Relax. Sharia law is no different than any other religious law, like keeping kosher. It can only apply to willing participants - like being on "The People's Court." There is a thing in law called "comity" or an agreement to recognize legal orders from foreign jurisdictions, giving them "full faith and credit." So an order from a New Jersey court will be recognized in Florida and an order from England or Saudi Arabia likewise. However, this is not unlimited and must be a lawful order - like child support, not sending a woman back for genital mutilation or beheading. People need to understand, the law isn't stupid or silly. Feel better now?

Response by CPT Ahmed Faried made Jun 30 at 2015 8:25 PM

CPT Ahmed Faried — Tue, 30 Jun 2015 20:25:19 -0400

..." and on the other a growing movement to adopt Sharia Law in the US. "
Interesting premise which I won't take at face value. Can you source this? Fox News deosn't count.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2015 9:48 PM

SCPO Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 30 Jun 2015 21:48:03 -0400

NAME your "many Congressional representatives and other government officials (who) advocate for institutionalized acceptance of Sharia Law." What an ourageous, bullshit statement. NAME THEM!!!

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2015 9:50 PM

SCPO Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 30 Jun 2015 21:50:23 -0400

And if you had "edited for accuracy," you would have EDITED a lot more.

Response by LCpl Mark Lefler made Jun 30 at 2015 9:52 PM

LCpl Mark Lefler — Tue, 30 Jun 2015 21:52:40 -0400

I dont see sharia law catching on in any real way, I think its seen in a worse light then gay marriage.

Response by PO1 John Miller made Jul 1 at 2015 7:43 AM

PO1 John Miller — Wed, 01 Jul 2015 07:43:09 -0400

Churches will never be forced to perform same-sex marriages as that would be a clear violation of Separation of Church and State.

Response by SSgt Stephen Hull made Jul 1 at 2015 8:44 AM

SSgt Stephen Hull — Wed, 01 Jul 2015 08:44:59 -0400

I wouldn't worry about Sharia law as some Christians are pushing for their version of Gods law to be the law of the land.

Response by SSG Brian Kresge made Jul 1 at 2015 11:04 AM

SSG Brian Kresge — Wed, 01 Jul 2015 11:04:43 -0400

I'm sure other people have already said it, but I'll succinctly add that government cannot compel a religion to abandon its tenets.

I think an evaluation of various Orthodox Jewish communities would be helpful to you. We already to submit to both the rule of our rabbis in our daily life, adhere to the judgments of a beis din (a rabbinical court) on some matters of contract law (but we all still defer to prevailing civil law first). We're often accused of not being not much better on the matter of women's rights, and so far, things work out usually okay (though we have our issues).

I think you'd see more mundane problems arise in Shaaria enclave communities, which may already even be emerging. Like with Kiryas Joel in New York, which is predominantly a Satmar Chassidic Jewish community, you see chafing with neighboring villages and their township. Municipal governance issues, like water/sewage rights, school districts receiving public funding but favoring the majority Jewish demographic (thus violating the establishment clause), election polling issues, etc... it's not as dramatic as honor killings and things we associate with extreme or fundamentalist Islam in the Middle East. I said in another comment that the problems we'll see with Shaaria will likely be more about particularism than religion, and they'll be really, really boring.

Response by 2d Lt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 1 at 2015 11:15 AM

2d Lt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 01 Jul 2015 11:15:27 -0400

The fox news story you are referring to is misguided. A religious chapel can't be forced to do a wedding. A buisness owned by a minister can. Just as if they were black, white, Asian etc...

Response by MSG Brad Sand made Jul 1 at 2015 11:43 AM

MSG Brad Sand — Wed, 01 Jul 2015 11:43:26 -0400

Where are you seeing the move toward Sharia Law?

The two will not and cannot exist and it would be interesting if the two were growing in our Nation.

In truth, the wheels have come off the legal system in this Nation and the courts are now acting as political entities, something that is very bad for 'We the People' but no one seems to really care...another thing that is really bad.

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Jul 2 at 2015 10:40 AM

SSG (ret) William Martin — Thu, 02 Jul 2015 10:40:06 -0400

I am tolerant of Muslims. I am not tolerant of acts or laws which hurt others regardless of if its an ancient custom or part of someone's religion.